I never really saw what caused the chest thumping midway through the second half. Did any of you get a good read/look? Regardless. it was encouraging to me (although too much can be bad) to see fire in the eyes of one of our players. He seems to have that "will us to win" that may have been lacking. Tough to analyze in a couple of games but I found it to be an encouraging intangible.
Howard player was walking through their huddle before the free throws. Think KR gave him a forearm.
I like Reinhardt. He's smart and I like the attitude. I think he fits a role that this team has been missing the last couple years. Veteran leader who has been through the battles.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on November 15, 2016, 08:36:18 AM
I like Reinhardt. He's smart and I like the attitude. I think he fits a role that this team has been missing the last couple years. Veteran leader who has been through the battles.
I think you hit on something. I believe the teams the last few season have lacked that passion. The last time we had that was in Jae Crowder who just willed the team to victory.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on November 15, 2016, 08:44:25 AMI think you hit on something. I believe the teams the last few season have lacked that passion. The last time we had that was in Jae Crowder who just willed the team to victory.
I like what Katin brings to the team. He plays with energy and effort on both ends of the court. He's a good defender and better-than-expected rebounder.
My one concern is shot selection. Katin's taken more shots than anybody else on the team. Yet he's way behind Sam, JaJuan, Haanif, Traci and Markus in eFG%. I know it's only been 2 games. But if Katin doesn't start making more, he needs to start taking less. Otherwise he's hurting the team.
Quote from: Marcus92 on November 15, 2016, 09:45:03 AM
I like what Katin brings to the team. He plays with energy and effort on both ends of the court. He's a good defender and better-than-expected rebounder.
My one concern is shot selection. Katin's taken more shots than anybody else on the team. Yet he's way behind Sam, JaJuan, Haanif, Traci and Markus in eFG%. I know it's only been 2 games. But if Katin doesn't start making more, he needs to start taking less. Otherwise he's hurting the team.
As a 5th year senior, he probably has one agenda, play a little selfish for himself. That is the one negative on bringing in grad transfers. The one difference is that there is depth this year, so if he wants to play out of control, the bench can stop that.
Quote from: HoopsterBC on November 15, 2016, 09:52:38 AM
As a 5th year senior, he probably has one agenda, play a little selfish for himself. That is the one negative on bringing in grad transfers. The one difference is that there is depth this year, so if he wants to play out of control, the bench can stop that.
I have noticed no selfish play from Katin this year. I didn't notice any from Carlino two years ago. I didn't see any from Trent Lockett either.
Yeah idk where some of the selfish/bad shot comments are coming from with Katin.
Mostly every shot he's taken has been a good look. He's just rushed some shots.
Yesterday early on he got to the rim/middle of the D a few times and just biffed it.
That will change, I like how much he moves and gets open.
Quote from: HoopsterBC on November 15, 2016, 09:52:38 AM
As a 5th year senior, he probably has one agenda, play a little selfish for himself. That is the one negative on bringing in grad transfers. The one difference is that there is depth this year, so if he wants to play out of control, the bench can stop that.
disagree. Wojo loves this guy. Reinhardt, JJJ and Haney will see the most minutes and will be on the floor to close out games.
Quote from: radome on November 15, 2016, 08:05:52 AM
I never really saw what caused the chest thumping midway through the second half. Did any of you get a good read/look? Regardless. it was encouraging to me (although too much can be bad) to see fire in the eyes of one of our players. He seems to have that "will us to win" that may have been lacking. Tough to analyze in a couple of games but I found it to be an encouraging intangible.
He definitely gave one of the Howard players a push to get out of the MU huddle. It wasn't a hard push, but it was deliberate. The most promising thing was Katin's reaction with the refs. He explained the situation calmly, avoiding a foul of any kind, and walked over to rebound for the free throw with a slight smile on his face. I think he knew he got away with a little something. A balance of aggressiveness and poise can make for an effective leader.
Reinhardt shot 0-7 in the first half against Vandy.
In the last 3 halves, he's shot 9-17 from the floor and 3-5 on 3s, with 5 assists and 1 TO in 40 minutes played.
Even if your eyes somehow tell you he's playing selfishly, the numbers don't back that up.
Quote from: 79Warrior on November 15, 2016, 10:20:19 AM
disagree. Wojo loves this guy. Reinhardt, JJJ and Haney will see the most minutes and will be on the floor to close out games.
I love this guy as much, he has won both games in the second half with his shooting, but as a 5th year senior he will not be timid taking shots. Most have been good,
some questionable. 0-7 against Vandy in first half, and last night some ill advised shots. Even Wojo took him out in first half. I am a believer that a 5th year senior
has a different agenda in his head then a freshman.
Rather have Reinhardt and Hauser then Ellenson and Cohen anyday.
They kept saying on the television last night, that though Reinhardt does not have the talent Ellenson has, he could be a better fit at stretching the floor. I would have to say, I agree with that thought.
Quote from: robmufan on November 15, 2016, 10:53:43 AM
They kept saying on the television last night, that though Reinhardt does not have the talent Ellenson has, he could be a better fit at stretching the floor. I would have to say, I agree with that thought.
Don't under-estimate the increase in surrounding talent as well.
Quote from: 79Warrior on November 15, 2016, 10:20:19 AM
disagree. Wojo loves this guy. Reinhardt, JJJ and Haney will see the most minutes and will be on the floor to close out games.
I think you can throw TC in there too
Quote from: Bocephys on November 15, 2016, 11:07:57 AM
Don't under-estimate the increase in surrounding talent as well.
Indeed. Not only is the comparison between a 5th year senior and a true freshman, it ignores that the entire remaining team (except Wally) returns with an additional year of experience, plus a RS junior.
Just the Alpha Dog saying get outta my pack. Thought the Howard player intentionally disrupted their huddle
What I really like is how he moves without the ball. Numerous examples over his first two games.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on November 15, 2016, 10:29:44 AMReinhardt shot 0-7 in the first half against Vandy.
In the last 3 halves, he's shot 9-17 from the floor and 3-5 on 3s, with 5 assists and 1 TO in 40 minutes played.
Even if your eyes somehow tell you he's playing selfishly, the numbers don't back that up.
Excellent point — along with the above statement that the vast majority of Katin's shots have been good looks. And even if you don't discount the first half against Vanderbilt, 2 data points don't make a trend. Katin's shot selection is just a concern, something I'll be keeping an eye on, not a condemnation.
Quote from: jsglow on November 15, 2016, 11:34:50 AM
What I really like is how he moves without the ball. Numerous examples over his first two games.
Plus Tax
Quote from: jsglow on November 15, 2016, 11:34:50 AM
What I really like is how he moves without the ball. Numerous examples over his first two games.
This. He abused Howard from the middle of the zone.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 15, 2016, 01:43:59 PM
This. He abused Howard from the middle of the zone.
That poor kid, he's still a minor. Someone should tell Reinhardt we don't approve of that stuff.
Swagger.
Confidence.
Leadership.
Fewer turnovers per game (so far) than any player on last years team.
Agree with the comments here. He plays with a real chip on his shoulder. He is the type of player that other teams/fans are not going to like....
There is going to be some "Hatin' on Katin" this year.
What I really like about Reinhardt is that he's fighting for rebounds. He won't make anyone forget about Henry any time soon, but he's gotten to some tough-to-get balls and doesn't shy away from contact when going for a board. I have to imagine the staff has been working with him on that, because he's been anemic previously in his career when it comes to getting to loose balls.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 15, 2016, 08:13:22 PMWhat I really like about Reinhardt is that he's fighting for rebounds. He won't make anyone forget about Henry any time soon, but he's gotten to some tough-to-get balls and doesn't shy away from contact when going for a board. I have to imagine the staff has been working with him on that, because he's been anemic previously in his career when it comes to getting to loose balls.
I'm less concerned about rebounding than I was before the start of the season. Higher eFG5% and lower turnovers go a long way. Among the returning players, Haanif looks improved on the boards — I'd say he's our strongest rebounding guard. Sam, Matt and Katin could be significant contributors, as well.
I commented in another thread after the Vandy game that he looked like he was taking a lot of bad shots and I still stand by that to a degree. I am hoping Wojo had a little discussion about passing vs chucking up off-balance three pointers.
With that said I am thrilled to have him on the team and expect big contributions from him this season.
Quote from: Marcus92 on November 15, 2016, 10:14:25 PMI'm less concerned about rebounding than I was before the start of the season. Higher eFG5% and lower turnovers go a long way.
Yes...but so too does rebounding at a higher rate on both ends of the court, which we are despite losing our best rebounder due to team rebounding. It's really early to make any sweeping assessments, but if we continue to rebound at this level, that's really impressive all things considered. It will be tough, as neither team we played so far is really great at rebounding the basketball.
Quote from: BG-MU90 on November 15, 2016, 11:05:00 PM
I commented in another thread after the Vandy game that he looked like he was taking a lot of bad shots and I still stand by that to a degree. I am hoping Wojo had a little discussion about passing vs chucking up off-balance three pointers.
With that said I am thrilled to have him on the team and expect big contributions from him this season.
By that same metric, Jae Crowder took more bad shots than anyone who ever played at MU... but his went in.
The guy had one bad half, and has been excellent since. I think he wins a couple close games for us.
Katin's a winner who brings that mentality to a team that hasn't experienced enough winning.
Quote from: WarriorFan on November 16, 2016, 12:34:14 AM
By that same metric, Jae Crowder took more bad shots than anyone who ever played at MU... but his went in.
The guy had one bad half, and has been excellent since. I think he wins a couple close games for us.
But for real, stop with layups on the breakways. I had vision of Belmont with all the missed bunnies
I appreciate this guys experience and junk yard mentality.
Having said that, this guy is breaking my spirit. (Yes we are winning this Pitt game, but he stresses me out anytime he has the ball :-\ )
For having reputation as a sharpshooter, he is 1 for 11 in last two games. Last night he missed some open shots, but today he has had a few wild ones.
Quote from: nyg on November 18, 2016, 04:34:32 PM
For having reputation as a sharpshooter, he is 1 for 11 in last two games. Last night he missed some open shots, but today he has had a few wild ones.
...and airballed a scoop shot
Quote from: fjm on November 18, 2016, 04:27:46 PM
I appreciate this guys experience and junk yard mentality.
Having said that, this guy is breaking my spirit. (Yes we are winning this Pitt game, but he stresses me out anytime he has the ball :-\ )
agree big time.
Quote from: nyg on November 18, 2016, 04:34:32 PM
For having reputation as a sharpshooter, he is 1 for 11 in last two games. Last night he missed some open shots, but today he has had a few wild ones.
Reputation as a sharpshooter is going a bit far.. career sub-37% 3FG shooter; best year was 38.6%. Reputation is a gunner who doesn't rebound... I think that remains fair.
Will have his moments/games...
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 18, 2016, 04:37:50 PM
Reputation as a sharpshooter is going a bit far.. career sub-37% 3FG shooter; best year was 38.6%. Reputation is a gunner who doesn't rebound... I think that remains fair.
Will have his moments/games...
He makes a three, then fouls on shot, then takes NBA three miss. Frustrating guy to watch. You are right he will have moments.
Reinhardt is an unrepentant chucker. His attitude and hustle make up for it a bit. On the whole I would rather see Hauser get more of his minutes.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on November 18, 2016, 05:04:24 PM
Reinhardt is an unrepentant chucker. His attitude and hustle make up for it a bit. On the whole I would rather see Hauser get more of his minutes.
I'm feeling that way about JjJ right now as well. Get Cohen in the game. Maybe he will play defense and hit the boards.
We still need shooters and ball decision makers
Quote from: tower912 on November 18, 2016, 05:09:25 PM
I'm feeling that way about JjJ right now as well. Get Cohen in the game. Maybe he will play defense and hit the boards.
JJJ has learned nothing in three years. If his shots fall, he looks great. When they don't, he still forces them. And his trying for steals on every opponent possession is foolish. Sandy might be a help on defense but offensively he brings nothing to the table.
Was the problem today scoring or defending down the stretch?
Quote from: tower912 on November 18, 2016, 05:09:25 PM
I'm feeling that way about JjJ right now as well. Get Cohen in the game. Maybe he will play defense and hit the boards.
Second time today you have said Cohen should be in there. There is a reason Sandy can't get in the games. Cohen has lost it and will not see the floor too much of at all.
How many pitt shots was there no one within 5 feet of the shooter? This double teaming ball screens is horrendous!!!
Quote from: We R Final Four on November 18, 2016, 05:43:28 PM
Second time today you have said Cohen should be in there. There is a reason Sandy can't get in the games. Cohen has lost it and will not see the floor too much of at all.
I'll keep saying it. KR and JJ were SO bad today as well as doogies defensive failings, that Cohen could not have done any harm.
Katin has been objectively bad through the first 4 games. Cohen definitely isnt the answer, but we simply cannot allow him to chuck up contested shot after contested shot. Be better
Quote from: tower912 on November 18, 2016, 05:46:47 PM
I'll keep saying it. KR and JJ were SO bad today as well as doogies defensive failings, that Cohen could not have done any harm.
The coach goes with who he believes in whether you (fans) like it or not. If MU and Woji are in the 'can't be any worse' mentality--close up shop.
Acknowledged. And usually I am taking your position.
Reinhardt 4-25 in the 2K Classic. 16% is slightly worse than advertised. He plays like it's an NBA game...contested 3 with 22 secs left in the possession and I believe he has missed 3 or 4 layups this year. Sort of a net neutral acquisition. Not a fan
And the Chief is not the answer.
The only reason I want Cohen on the floor would be to defend Young.
I am pissed off about Reinhardt's play too, but in his defense, Scoopers also wanted the blood sacrifice of Trent Lockett and Matt Carlino very early in their years. I'm willing to give Reinhardt a bit more time to find his groove.
Dude kinda sucks.
Quote from: tower912 on November 18, 2016, 06:16:25 PM
The only reason I want Cohen on the floor would be to defend Young.
Agree 100%.
The big problem with grad transfers...you promise the world and play them more than you should. Wojo needs to realize we have better options on this team,
Quote from: DienerTime34 on November 18, 2016, 06:18:35 PM
I am pissed off about Reinhardt's play too, but in his defense, Scoopers also wanted the blood sacrifice of Trent Lockett and Matt Carlino very early in their years. I'm willing to give Reinhardt a bit more time to find his groove.
Very true. However, he needs to get it going fast. Reinhartdt was brutal in NYC.
Throwing up bad and contested shots on a team that doesn't rebound well offensively is stupid.
Quote from: 21rooster on November 18, 2016, 07:02:58 PM
The big problem with grad transfers...you promise the world and play them more than you should. Wojo needs to realize we have better options on this team,
Marquette's record with grad transfers has been just fine.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on November 15, 2016, 08:36:18 AM
I like Reinhardt. He's smart and I like the attitude. I think he fits a role that this team has been missing the last couple years. Veteran leader who has been through the battles.
I wish Scoop would let us delete our posts.
Last night I thought Reinhardt had a bad shooting night. A vast majority of his shots were open, good shots. Tonight that was not the case. Lots of ill advised shots. Really trying to do too much out there. Really is trying to be "the man" when he needs to be more "adjacent to the man."
Sandy might have brought better defense. He shut down Hayes last season and that gives me hope that he can because a "three and D" type player. He has zero confidence on offense right now and looks lost. I honestly think he just doesn't have the basketball IQ.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 18, 2016, 09:18:22 PM
Last night I thought Reinhardt had a bad shooting night. A vast majority of his shots were open, good shots. Tonight that was not the case. Lots of ill advised shots. Really trying to do too much out there. Really is trying to be "the man" when he needs to be more "adjacent to the man."
Sandy might have brought better defense. He shut down Hayes last season and that gives me hope that he can because a "three and D" type player. He has zero confidence on offense right now and looks lost. I honestly think he just doesn't have the basketball IQ.
He certainly isn't going to improve his basketball IQ under Wojo.
Quote from: ecompt on November 18, 2016, 09:59:27 PM
He certainly isn't going to improve his basketball IQ under Wojo.
will he transfer does anyone think?
Don't know---but it is my opinion that Wojo never would have recruited the likes of Sandy or Duane out of high school. He needed both of them in the transition, but if Wojo needs to save his job he may be looking for a soft landing spot for both.
Quote from: ecompt on November 18, 2016, 09:59:27 PM
He certainly isn't going to improve his basketball IQ under Wojo.
I would say basketball IQ is one of the hardest things to teach. More of a "you either have it or you don't" situation. That being said, we have seen players improve on this under Wojo.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 18, 2016, 09:18:22 PM
Last night I thought Reinhardt had a bad shooting night. A vast majority of his shots were open, good shots. Tonight that was not the case. Lots of ill advised shots. Really trying to do too much out there. Really is trying to be "the man" when he needs to be more "adjacent to the man."
TAMU...your boy could use a slump busting game vs IUPUI on Tuesday.
7.8 PPG, 1.3 ast, 2.8 reb, 1.8 TO
27% FG, 26% 2P, 29% 3P
6.8 PER & 33 eFG%
Rebounds per minute are great for career avg. Just need some shots to start falling (& better shot selection)
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on November 19, 2016, 07:15:29 AM
TAMU...your boy could use a slump busting game vs IUPUI on Tuesday.
7.8 PPG, 1.3 ast, 2.8 reb, 1.8 TO
27% FG, 26% 2P, 29% 3P
6.8 PER & 33 eFG%
Rebounds per minute are great for career avg. Just need some shots to start falling (& better shot selection)
His rebounding as a de facto 4 is still weak. 4% OR, 10% DR.
It's not his 3-point shooting that has been the issue, imo. It's some ugly, prayer attempts thrown at the rim inside the arc. He's 6/23 2FG for 26.1%. 5/17 from 3. Had he made one more three he's be very close to his career average and just fine. But, he has thrown up some puke from 2-point range.
We've seen him try to create a lot.. make something out of nothing. What's interesting... he's made ZERO unassisted field goals all year. He and Sam of the regulars are the only ones without an unassisted FGM
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on November 19, 2016, 07:15:29 AM
TAMU...your boy could use a slump busting game vs IUPUI on Tuesday.
7.8 PPG, 1.3 ast, 2.8 reb, 1.8 TO
27% FG, 26% 2P, 29% 3P
6.8 PER & 33 eFG%
Rebounds per minute are great for career avg. Just need some shots to start falling (& better shot selection)
Everybody has needed a slump-buster at some time in their life.
I have no particular problem with Reinhardt as a player. However, at the time I questioned recruiting him and question it even more so now. Why?
1) Reinhardt never filled a need. Without him, Duane, Rowsey, or Sam would likely be starting. I think any would be fine.
2) Reinhardt's recruitment essentially guaranteed our frontcourt starters were set as seniors Luke, JJ, and Reinhardt. Which had two profound impacts.
3) Kalif Young visited here on May 3-4 knowing there was no starting spot. A few days later, the expected Marquette lean picked Providence where Ben Bentil left a void. The freshman hasn't been a world beater but he's been good on the glass and blocking shots, two things we don't excel at.
4) LG Gill picked Maryland on May 9. Maybe he goes there regardless, but not seeing a clear path to starting minutes may have hurt our chances with the 6'7", 230 lb PF.
So at the end of the day, we had depth at Reinhardt's position, making him a luxury, but his addition may have prevented us from adding one or two players that would have addressed our deficiencies.
I hope he'll prove a plus player in the long run, but right now he sure doesn't seem like the cure to what ails us.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 19, 2016, 09:51:11 AM
I have no particular problem with Reinhardt as a player. However, at the time I questioned recruiting him and question it even more so now. Why?
1) Reinhardt never filled a need. Without him, Duane, Rowsey, or Sam would likely be starting. I think any would be fine.
2) Reinhardt's recruitment essentially guaranteed our frontcourt starters were set as seniors Luke, JJ, and Reinhardt. Which had two profound impacts.
3) Kalif Young visited here on May 3-4 knowing there was no starting spot. A few days later, the expected Marquette lean picked Providence where Ben Bentil left a void. The freshman hasn't been a world beater but he's been good on the glass and blocking shots, two things we don't excel at.
4) LG Gill picked Maryland on May 9. Maybe he goes there regardless, but not seeing a clear path to starting minutes may have hurt our chances with the 6'7", 230 lb PF.
So at the end of the day, we had depth at Reinhardt's position, making him a luxury, but his addition may have prevented us from adding one or two players that would have addressed our deficiencies.
I hope he'll prove a plus player in the long run, but right now he sure doesn't seem like the cure to what ails us.
Bingo. More so, this put MU with six players who played PG on their roster somewhere in their careers: Mo, TC, Rowsey, Du, Reinhardt, and HC. Instead, all these guys are bunched up playing a mishmash of roles in the 4-1 where each wants to be the guy to make plays. It sounds good on paper and looks great when hitting shots, but it doesn't fit situationally against teams like Michigan and Pitt, especially. It also doesn't fit with slow footed bigs like Luke and Matt, which Wojo has realized when he inserts Sam and goes with the small line up.
Wojo has to find the right line ups situationally. He tried a bit yesterday by going with Rowsey and Sam. Should have left Du in with that group longer. But then that small line up was exposed on defense. He is limited either way with his roster make up but he is going to have to be more creative from media time out to media time out versus sticking with just a system.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 19, 2016, 09:51:11 AM
I have no particular problem with Reinhardt as a player. However, at the time I questioned recruiting him and question it even more so now. Why?
1) Reinhardt never filled a need. Without him, Duane, Rowsey, or Sam would likely be starting. I think any would be fine.
2) Reinhardt's recruitment essentially guaranteed our frontcourt starters were set as seniors Luke, JJ, and Reinhardt. Which had two profound impacts.
3) Kalif Young visited here on May 3-4 knowing there was no starting spot. A few days later, the expected Marquette lean picked Providence where Ben Bentil left a void. The freshman hasn't been a world beater but he's been good on the glass and blocking shots, two things we don't excel at.
4) LG Gill picked Maryland on May 9. Maybe he goes there regardless, but not seeing a clear path to starting minutes may have hurt our chances with the 6'7", 230 lb PF.
So at the end of the day, we had depth at Reinhardt's position, making him a luxury, but his addition may have prevented us from adding one or two players that would have addressed our deficiencies.
I hope he'll prove a plus player in the long run, but right now he sure doesn't seem like the cure to what ails us.
I agree with this analysis.