Do you guys think if MU beats Howard by a big margin and beats Michigan and wins the SMU/Pitt game, could we be ranked?
Quote from: Marquette4life on November 13, 2016, 04:46:43 PM
Do you guys think if MU beats Howard by a big margin and beats Michigan and wins the SMU/Pitt game, could we be ranked?
It's not really about who we beat as much as who in front of us loses. We could be undefeated but if every team in the top 25 is as well we aren't going to be ranked. That being said if we start off 4-0 with three wins over major teams then I think we'all see a few votes for us.
Get votes? Yes. Ranked? Only if we win all of the games by 24 points.
I think we may get a handful of votes Monday. We throttled a high major in one of the first games of the season. Lots of eyes on that game. It's easier to pick up votes this time of year when voters don't really know how good anyone is. Let's see the polls tomorrow.
I like MU being under the Radar in the early part of the season.
I doubt MU has much action beating Vandy. Win the games this week and we make some noise.
This has nothing to do with this but creighton vs the BADgers tuesday
Quote from: tower912 on November 13, 2016, 04:56:02 PM
Get votes? Yes. Ranked? Only if we win all of the games by 24 points.
In other words ...
Done deal!
If we go 4-0 we will be ranked. It won't matter how much we beat anyone by. 4-0 against 3 high major teams is ranked city.
Quote from: #UnleashWally on November 13, 2016, 11:49:09 PM
If we go 4-0 we will be ranked. It won't matter how much we beat anyone by. 4-0 against 3 high major teams is ranked city.
This is stupid, reminds me of when I kept calling my dad during 09-10 asking why we weren't ranked. If we are doing fantastic but nobody in front is losing then we aren't cracking the top 25 end of story
Yep, there will be so many teams undefeated and many with 1 loss against another ranked team. Like creighton and UW as was mentioned. Someone has to lose that game but not a case to drop either if it's within 10 pts.
There are just so many teams. And so many in front of us with assumed ranking love.
No problem speculating...part of the fun of muscoop. But we know what the team needs to do to ultimately answer this question and wins are the most fun of all.
Teams jump other teams that didn't lose in the rankings all the time. Especially early in the year. Teams aren't locked into the order they're ranked in and just slide up a spot with everyone else as teams above them lose.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 14, 2016, 06:34:35 AM
Teams jump other teams that didn't lose in the rankings all the time. Especially early in the year. Teams aren't locked into the order they're ranked in and just slide up a spot with everyone else as teams above them lose.
+1
Especially at this time of year. Winning a game against a high major tourney team in the first nationally televised game of the year and winning a tourney that takes place before most other tournaments get started would give us a very good shot.
But Michigan, Pitt, and SMU all have plenty of talent. Long way to go to get to 4-0.
How long do we have to go undefeated to be ranked No. 1?
Quote from: bilsu on November 14, 2016, 07:12:22 AM
How long do we have to go undefeated to be ranked No. 1?
If we're undefeated on January 9, we'd probably be earning some votes and be in the top-5. Make it to January 30 undefeated and, barring undefeated teams that are currently in the top-10, I think we'd be ranked #1.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 14, 2016, 08:04:51 AM
If we're undefeated on January 9, we'd probably be earning some votes and be in the top-5. Make it to January 30 undefeated and, barring undefeated teams that are currently in the top-10, I think we'd be ranked #1.
I am glad you took my question seriously, because I have thought about this. Mostly, when I am out mowing my grass and I have to think about something. What if we go 30-0 and Duke is 29-2, Arizona 29-2, Indiana is 29-2 and Kentucky is 29-2 going into the conference tournaments. What are we ranked and are we projected to get a number one seed? Obviously the conference tournaments will decide the number 1 seeds, if only one of these teams fail to win their tournament. However, if all of these teams including us win the conference tournaments the committee will have to strongly consider all of these teams for a one seed. How long does the preseason bias that we are not good last? How long does the favoritism to a power 5 conference team last? In this senario I could envision us being ranked behind the blue bloods of Duke and Kentucky.
What will we be ranked after we cap our undefeated season by beating Kentucky 100-62 for the national title?
While being ranked is a good bit away, let's not lose sight of the fact that we've played and beaten two teams that were in the October 31 'also receiving votes' category including the 27th ranked Dayton team.
Tonight is another practice tune-up. We'll start to get a better handle on Thursday and Friday.
Quote from: bilsu on November 14, 2016, 08:24:49 AM
I am glad you took my question seriously, because I have thought about this. Mostly, when I am out mowing my grass and I have to think about something. What if we go 30-0 and Duke is 29-2, Arizona 29-2, Indiana is 29-2 and Kentucky is 29-2 going into the conference tournaments. What are we ranked and are we projected to get a number one seed? Obviously the conference tournaments will decide the number 1 seeds, if only one of these teams fail to win their tournament. However, if all of these teams including us win the conference tournaments the committee will have to strongly consider all of these teams for a one seed. How long does the preseason bias that we are not good last? How long does the favoritism to a power 5 conference team last? I this senario I could envision us being ranked behind the blue bloods of Duke and Kentucky.
We would be the #1 overall seed.
Heck, Gonzaga was a 1 seed within the last 5 years with I believe 2 losses. And then lost in the 2nd round I think.
While we still have a ways to go to 4-0, I think we'll be ranked if we do it.
I actually think MU will be in mid 30's in today's poll.
Quote from: #UnleashWally on November 13, 2016, 11:49:09 PM
If we go 4-0 we will be ranked. It won't matter how much we beat anyone by. 4-0 against 3 high major teams is ranked city.
Am I missing something or are you saying Howard or IUPUI are a high major team?
Edit, i forgot about the Pitt/SMU match-up my bad
Quote from: bilsu on November 14, 2016, 08:24:49 AM
I am glad you took my question seriously, because I have thought about this. Mostly, when I am out mowing my grass and I have to think about something. What if we go 30-0 and Duke is 29-2, Arizona 29-2, Indiana is 29-2 and Kentucky is 29-2 going into the conference tournaments. What are we ranked and are we projected to get a number one seed? Obviously the conference tournaments will decide the number 1 seeds, if only one of these teams fail to win their tournament. However, if all of these teams including us win the conference tournaments the committee will have to strongly consider all of these teams for a one seed. How long does the preseason bias that we are not good last? How long does the favoritism to a power 5 conference team last? I this senario I could envision us being ranked behind the blue bloods of Duke and Kentucky.
I think about this kind of stuff all the time. Here's how I'd see it, week-by-week, if we went undefeated (we won't, we'll probably lose this week, but just on the "what if" assumption):
Nov 14: 1-0, Getting votes
Nov 21: 4-0, #24 (Sneak in at the end thanks to three high-major wins on national television)
Nov 28: 6-0, #23 (Meaningless wins, but someone will probably lose)
Dec 5: 8-0, #19 (Road win over Georgia gives us a better bump
Dec 12: 10-0, #13 (Win over top-10 Badger team bumps us up significantly)
Dec 19: 10-0 #14 (No games that week, Badger bump fades)
Dec 26: 12-0, #12 (Someone ahead of us loses)
Jan 2: 14-0, #9 (Wins over Georgetown, SHU propel us up as conference play starts to pick those ahead of us off)
Jan 9: 15-0, #5 (We just beat a likely undefeated Villanova on the road)
Jan 16: 17-0, #4 (Assuming someone ahead of us loses)
Jan 23: 18-0, #3 (Win over Butler, someone ahead of us loses)
Jan 30: 20-0, #1 (Completed sweep of Villanova, beat Providence)
Clearly this is complete pie in the sky, and complete and utter BS based on one impressive win over what will probably be at best a bubble Vanderbilt team, but if we did stay undefeated to 20-0, this is probably about the trajectory. If we went 33-0 coming into the tournament, we would be the #1 seed in the entire thing unless Duke, Kansas, or Kentucky was also undefeated. With our league strength and enough SOS to be competitive, no way we wouldn't be a 1-seed. Just no way. Attrition would ensure it.
I know most of this is in jest and hypotheticals, but I see we are on the high end of the spectrum today.
After we lose our first game there will be the "Are We Going To Miss The NIT" thread.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on November 14, 2016, 10:35:40 AM
I know most of this is in jest and hypotheticals, but I see we are on the high end of the spectrum today.
After we lose our first game there will be the "Are We Going To Miss The NIT" thread.
My expectation is that we won't finish the week undefeated, much less make it to January 30 ;)
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 14, 2016, 10:31:11 AM
I think about this kind of stuff all the time. Here's how I'd see it, week-by-week, if we went undefeated (we won't, we'll probably lose this week, but just on the "what if" assumption):
Nov 14: 1-0, Getting votes
Nov 21: 4-0, #24 (Sneak in at the end thanks to three high-major wins on national television)
Nov 28: 6-0, #23 (Meaningless wins, but someone will probably lose)
Dec 5: 8-0, #19 (Road win over Georgia gives us a better bump
Dec 12: 10-0, #13 (Win over top-10 Badger team bumps us up significantly)
Dec 19: 10-0 #14 (No games that week, Badger bump fades)
Dec 26: 12-0, #12 (Someone ahead of us loses)
Jan 2: 14-0, #9 (Wins over Georgetown, SHU propel us up as conference play starts to pick those ahead of us off)
Jan 9: 15-0, #5 (We just beat a likely undefeated Villanova on the road)
Jan 16: 17-0, #4 (Assuming someone ahead of us loses)
Jan 23: 18-0, #3 (Win over Butler, someone ahead of us loses)
Jan 30: 20-0, #1 (Completed sweep of Villanova, beat Providence)
Clearly this is complete pie in the sky, and complete and utter BS based on one impressive win over what will probably be at best a bubble Vanderbilt team, but if we did stay undefeated to 20-0, this is probably about the trajectory. If we went 33-0 coming into the tournament, we would be the #1 seed in the entire thing unless Duke, Kansas, or Kentucky was also undefeated. With our league strength and enough SOS to be competitive, no way we wouldn't be a 1-seed. Just no way. Attrition would ensure it.
Reasonable and I like people who can dream.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 14, 2016, 10:31:11 AM
I think about this kind of stuff all the time. Here's how I'd see it, week-by-week, if we went undefeated (we won't, we'll probably lose this week, but just on the "what if" assumption):
Nov 14: 1-0, Getting votes
Nov 21: 4-0, #24 (Sneak in at the end thanks to three high-major wins on national television)
Nov 28: 6-0, #23 (Meaningless wins, but someone will probably lose)
Dec 5: 8-0, #19 (Road win over Georgia gives us a better bump
Dec 12: 10-0, #13 (Win over top-10 Badger team bumps us up significantly)
Dec 19: 10-0 #14 (No games that week, Badger bump fades)
Dec 26: 12-0, #12 (Someone ahead of us loses)
Jan 2: 14-0, #9 (Wins over Georgetown, SHU propel us up as conference play starts to pick those ahead of us off)
Jan 9: 15-0, #5 (We just beat a likely undefeated Villanova on the road)
Jan 16: 17-0, #4 (Assuming someone ahead of us loses)
Jan 23: 18-0, #3 (Win over Butler, someone ahead of us loses)
Jan 30: 20-0, #1 (Completed sweep of Villanova, beat Providence)
Clearly this is complete pie in the sky, and complete and utter BS based on one impressive win over what will probably be at best a bubble Vanderbilt team, but if we did stay undefeated to 20-0, this is probably about the trajectory. If we went 33-0 coming into the tournament, we would be the #1 seed in the entire thing unless Duke, Kansas, or Kentucky was also undefeated. With our league strength and enough SOS to be competitive, no way we wouldn't be a 1-seed. Just no way. Attrition would ensure it.
And given that Kansas already cannot go undefeated...
Not to mention their next game is a neutral site game with Duke tomorrow. So maybe 2 of the teams we'll be competing for an undefeated season with ;) could lose their first game within the first week of the season, we're in some pretty good shape for that #1 overall seed!
Quote from: TallTitan34 on November 14, 2016, 10:35:40 AM
I know most of this is in jest and hypotheticals, but I see we are on the high end of the spectrum today.
After we lose our first game there will be the "Are We Going To Miss The NIT" thread.
I believe it will be more along the lines of Fire Wojo
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 14, 2016, 10:31:11 AM
I think about this kind of stuff all the time. Here's how I'd see it, week-by-week, if we went undefeated (we won't, we'll probably lose this week, but just on the "what if" assumption):
Nov 14: 1-0, Getting votes
Nov 21: 4-0, #24 (Sneak in at the end thanks to three high-major wins on national television)
Nov 28: 6-0, #23 (Meaningless wins, but someone will probably lose)
Dec 5: 8-0, #19 (Road win over Georgia gives us a better bump
Dec 12: 10-0, #13 (Win over top-10 Badger team bumps us up significantly)
Dec 19: 10-0 #14 (No games that week, Badger bump fades)
Dec 26: 12-0, #12 (Someone ahead of us loses)
Jan 2: 14-0, #9 (Wins over Georgetown, SHU propel us up as conference play starts to pick those ahead of us off)
Jan 9: 15-0, #5 (We just beat a likely undefeated Villanova on the road)
Jan 16: 17-0, #4 (Assuming someone ahead of us loses)
Jan 23: 18-0, #3 (Win over Butler, someone ahead of us loses)
Jan 30: 20-0, #1 (Completed sweep of Villanova, beat Providence)
Clearly this is complete pie in the sky, and complete and utter BS based on one impressive win over what will probably be at best a bubble Vanderbilt team, but if we did stay undefeated to 20-0, this is probably about the trajectory. If we went 33-0 coming into the tournament, we would be the #1 seed in the entire thing unless Duke, Kansas, or Kentucky was also undefeated. With our league strength and enough SOS to be competitive, no way we wouldn't be a 1-seed. Just no way. Attrition would ensure it.
Quote from: bilsu on November 14, 2016, 07:12:22 AM
How long do we have to go undefeated to be ranked No. 1?
I love it! ;D
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 13, 2016, 05:12:02 PM
I think we may get a handful of votes Monday. We throttled a high major in one of the first games of the season. Lots of eyes on that game. It's easier to pick up votes this time of year when voters don't really know how good anyone is. Let's see the polls tomorrow.
Right on Brew...MU with 7 votes
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings
We're 41! We're 41!
Seriously guys. Let's take one step forward every week. It's been far too long since relevance.
I'm a VERY optimistic person at heart, but let's all just remember to take this one step at a time. That way when MU only wins by 17 tonight we don't all lose our crap and go nuts.
Have we ever received top 25 votes in Wojo's tenure?
We received votes last year but were not top 25.
Also, clearly ESPN didn't take our Dayton secret scrimmage into account...
Quote from: fjm on November 14, 2016, 12:25:27 PM
We received votes last year but were not top 25.
Also, clearly ESPN didn't take our Dayton secret scrimmage into account...
Good thing the NCAA Tournament selection committee does.
Quote from: fjm on November 14, 2016, 12:25:27 PM
We received votes last year but were not top 25.
Also, clearly ESPN didn't take our Dayton secret scrimmage into account...
ESPN doesn't make these rankings, its an aggregate of about 50 sports writers nationwide.
I rather be underrated then be ranked right away at the beginning of the season.
Quote from: MuMark on November 14, 2016, 11:51:59 AM
Right on Brew...MU with 7 votes
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings
Just for historical reference, prior to today, Marquette hadn't received a vote in the AP Poll since Week 6 (Dec. 14) of 2015-16 (Received 1 vote after beating Wisconsin in Madison on Dec. 12).
Marquette hasn't been ranked since Week 4 (Nov. 25) of 2013-14. MU started the season at #17, as the preseason pick to win the Big East. After getting clocked by Ohio State on November 16, MU dropped to #25. The voters gave MU a stay of execution the following week, even after MU squeaked by New Hampshire at home. The next week, Marquette lost to Arizona State, and lost to San Diego State in the Wooden Classic Final. The voters lost their patience and MU was out of the Top 25 and haven't been back since.
So, 7 votes in the coaches poll. Odds that 2 of those came from the Drew family?
Quote from: source? on November 14, 2016, 01:22:53 PM
So, 7 votes in the coaches poll. Odds that 2 of those came from the Drew family?
Or that one of the Drew boys ranked us at #19?
Edit: was it the coach's poll or the AP poll that has us at 7 votes?
Quote from: source? on November 14, 2016, 01:22:53 PM
So, 7 votes in the coaches poll. Odds that 2 of those came from the Drew family?
Unless I am reading it wrong, we got zero votes in the coaches poll.
I am surprised we got 7 votes in the AP. We were generally rank in the 55-65 area preseason and win a game over a bottom feeder from the worst power conference in the country and we moved up maybe 15-20 places.
Quote from: brandx on November 14, 2016, 01:43:46 PM
Unless I am reading it wrong, we got zero votes in the coaches poll.
I am surprised we got 7 votes in the AP. We were generally rank in the 55-65 area preseason and win a game over a bottom feeder from the worst power conference in the country and we moved up maybe 15-20 places.
Vandy isn't a bottom feeder. Middle of the pack in the SEC. Of course the bottom of that conference is really bad.
Erin Andrews once gave me da "hi" sign. BFD 'cause in da end, it don't matta, hey?
Shouldn't have yelled 'nice video' after she waved.
Whoops. My bad. It was the AP poll. That's what I get for rushing to make a joke.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 14, 2016, 01:55:51 PM
Vandy isn't a bottom feeder. Middle of the pack in the SEC. Of course the bottom of that conference is really bad.
I hope you're right, TAMU. I have serious questions about them after last week tho'. No PG and a team full of weak (physically) players.