- JJJ played unreal, seems very quick
- Fischer no fouls, 18 and 7 and made a face up jumper. Nice
- Carter was awesome. 7 points, 5 assists, no turnovers. Total different player.
- Hauser to spell KR and JJJ. 14 points and what a difference over Cohen, who will be at end of bench.
- KR maybe nervous to start?, who knows but great second half.
- Jeez, with this team, Du Wilson might fight for minutes and he played great.
-Interesting fact, MU shot 5 free throws, 4 by Fischer. Vandy had 26.
Good start
I miss Tower :(
I never like to post about the game till we get his thoughts. They are always a good starting point.
Quote from: brandx on November 11, 2016, 07:39:04 PM
I miss Tower :(
I never like to post about the game till we get his thoughts. They are always a good starting point.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=52570.msg0#new
Quote from: brandx on November 11, 2016, 07:39:04 PM
I miss Tower :(
I never like to post about the game till we get his thoughts. They are always a good starting point.
What the hell?!?!? I posted like 20 seconds before NYG
But....
1. I love having upperclassmen. Luke, Katin, JJJJJ and even Duane played with a lot of swagger and confidence.
2. Carter is the PG on this team. He is a true point on both ends of the floor. I was probably his biggest advocate last year, and he looks ready for a really good year. Howard will be good, but right now it is no contest.
3. When threes are falling, we can play with anybody.
4. Defensive rebounding is going to be a problem.
5. This team is better than last year's team.
Quote from: tower912 on November 11, 2016, 07:41:58 PM
What the hell?!?!? I posted like 20 seconds before NYG
;D I didn't see your thread until after I posted here.
Nice to have guards again and d rebounding was very good. Can't wait to see it against a tougher team next week.
Quote from: brandx on November 11, 2016, 07:44:16 PM
;D I didn't see your thread until after I posted here.
;D
Letting The Engine run things in the second half was the way to go. Howard will be good, but he wasn't ready to go tonight.
Best newcomer was Hauser. Reinhardt will probably be more consistent, but for a freshman in his first game, bright future.
Quote from: tower912 on November 11, 2016, 07:41:58 PM
What the hell?!?!? I posted like 20 seconds before NYG
Sorry bud, your usually quick and thought you were out on call. So, I stepped up to plate.
Question for all...... Hauser looked just unreal tonight, is his brother really better than him?
A few notes:
Offensive efficiency
Marquette shot 26-43 (60.5%) on 2-pointers and 13-31 (41.9%) on 3-pointers. That's an eFG% of 61.5%. Very impressive. In the first 10 minutes of the second half, they outscored Vanderbilt 23-4 while committing zero turnovers. The game was over at that point.
Full-court ball pressure
In the second half, Vanderbilt never really seemed to be able to set up their offense or get any kind of flow going. Interesting to see if that becomes a hallmark of our defense.
Offensive versatility
Four players scored in double figures. Eight players scored overall. Six players hit at least 1 three-pointer. This offense could present opponents with some really tough choices when there are so many potential weapons to deal with.
Good energy and pace
Especially to open the second half. Marquette's ball pressure and good man-to-man defense forced ill-advised passes that led to 13 steals and 19 turnovers. On the offensive end, Marquette eventually found its rhythm with quick passes, drives and reversals that led to open shots.
In the first half we couldn't hit from 3 and they couldn't miss. I felt like here we go again. Out playing the other team but it doesn't matter. Then in the second half everything and I mean everything went in. So if our defense can keep us in games when the shots aren't falling we should have a chance come back. We play like we did in the second half and we could beat just about anybody.
JJJ is the difference maker you need to be a truly good team. Luke played much more mature than last year. Love Sam, got some go rebounds and is stoke from 3 is almost Novak-esk. God its great to have the season back.
Quote from: nyg on November 11, 2016, 07:49:05 PM
Sorry bud, your usually quick and thought you were out on call. So, I stepped up to plate.
Question for all...... Hauser looked just unreal tonight, is his brother really better than him?
nyg, my post wasn't anything against you. Just used to Tower leading the way.
For comparison, Vanderbilt was 15-34 (44.1%) on 2-pointers and 8-24 on 3-pointers, for an eFG% of 46.6%. A good defensive effort — but after allowing 40 first-half points, there's room for improvement.
Quote from: Marcus92 on November 11, 2016, 07:55:20 PM
For comparison, Vanderbilt was 15-34 (44.1%) on 2-pointers and 8-24 on 3-pointers, for an eFG% of 46.6%. A good defensive effort — but after allowing 40 first-half points, there's room for improvement.
We allowed 40 points, but it looked to me that we were actually playing good defense, but all the wild ass shots Vandy threw up went in. Ball pressure and covering up their best shooter eliminated that in the 2nd half.
Brandx, I had the same exact thought - like Tower's thoughts (not to diss NYG).
Wondering if Traci played so well how come Markus got the start. Stage fright? Apparently Woj thought he'd earned it. Haven't seen the stats but it seems like TC should be the man for now.
Hani is sweet. He's very good but prob. not so great he'll leave early. Makes you wonder about the career scoring mark.
How sweet it is to have the 3 as one of our weapons for a change.
This Hauser kid might have some potential.
Sandy's minutes likely to shrink as things progress. Unimpressive, sort of MIA.
How nice is it to have someone as good as Duane in the, what, 8-9 spot?
I don't like Howard's chances.
I think Howard will be just fine. Probably not as good this year as JB thinks, but he got off to a bad start and just never recovered.
After watching this game, its very clear to me Wojo was very honest with Wally.
Quote from: TSmith34 on November 11, 2016, 07:57:54 PMWe allowed 40 points, but it looked to me that we were actually playing good defense, but all the wild ass shots Vandy threw up went in. Ball pressure and covering up their best shooter eliminated that in the 2nd half.
It wasn't terrible defense in the first half. But there were some bad lapses on switches that left Vanderbilt with wide-open shots. Agree that some of Vandy's shots that went in near the end of the half were well-defended.
Quote from: Loose Cannon on November 11, 2016, 08:01:51 PM
After watching this game, its very clear to me Wojo was very honest with Wally.
Yeah they played with a quickness that I haven't seen from a Marquette team for awhile.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on November 11, 2016, 07:58:05 PM
Brandx, I had the same exact thought - like Tower's thoughts (not to diss NYG).
Wondering if Traci played so well how come Markus got the start. Stage fright? Apparently Woj thought he'd earned it. Haven't seen the stats but it seems like TC should be the man for now.
Hani is sweet. He's very good but prob. not so great he'll leave early. Makes you wonder about the career scoring mark.
How sweet it is to have the 3 as one of our weapons for a change.
This Hauser kid might have some potential.
Sandy's minutes likely to shrink as things progress. Unimpressive, sort of MIA.
How nice is it to have someone as good as Duane in the, what, 8-9 spot?
I don't like Howard's chances.
I agree with everything you say, Miles.
I've learned the starting lineup changes a lot under Wojo over the first 10 games or so. Hopefully, Carter will start next game, but Howard is a lot better than he looked tonite.
You're right about Sam. Never looks rushed or like the game is moving to fast for him. Plus, the sweet shooting touch.
I also said last year that I thought Hani had a chance to be our all-time scorer. Like you said, I think he will be here for 4 years, so he has a chance.
Was being down 1 at halftime an advantage? Vanderbilt came back from 8 down (?) and must of been feeling pretty good about themselves at halftime. I imagine Wojo lighting a fire under the players at halftime for giving the lead away.
I meant Howard our next opponent, not Markus.
First time since 1973 we beat these guys.
Nice game Warriors
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on November 11, 2016, 08:21:14 PM
I meant Howard our next opponent, not Markus.
Ah...that makes sense!
The defense was fine except for 5 minutes in the first half. Maybe it was the combination on the floor, maybe Vandy just got on a streak. I know during that stretch MU missed some layups that ended with JjJ and Haanif bring late getting back on defense. It happens.
While a team always looks better and plays with more energy when its shots are falling, I really liked this game. Very encouraging. 6 or 7 players were quite impressive, and it's nice to have both upperclassmen and shooters.
Luke looked real strong against a legit opponent. If he can step out and hit that 15-footer from the baseline, he can really open things up for himself.
Katin was awesome in the first 10 minutes of the second half; Mrs. MU82 was swearing at him in the first half - tough crowd!
Traci was very much under control in the second half and it lifted the entire team.
Haani hasn't missed a beat from last year. Very smooth and deceptive.
And JJJ ... wow. I just hope Wojo doesn't pull any more mind games on him to make him transfer for the 43rd time.
It seems like forever ago that Wojo had to give Cohen major minutes.
Oops ... forgot to mention Hauser. Beautiful shooting form, very confident for a kid in his first college game. Definitely "stretch 4" materially, especially as he gets stronger.
I'm not concerned about Markus and Rowsey. They will have their moments and pick up the slack when one of the guys who was great tonight has an off game. It's one of the nice things about having depth.
Also, I loved the offensive tempo most of the night. Of course, much of that was set up by our defense.
Quote from: chapman on November 11, 2016, 07:48:42 PM
Letting The Engine run things in the second half was the way to go. Howard will be good, but he wasn't ready to go tonight.
Best newcomer was Hauser. Reinhardt will probably be more consistent, but for a freshman in his first game, bright future.
Reminds of Novak.
No... not the tower post. Don't take someone's original posts from them.
Not being rude but some fresh blood here and they are posting over some typical threads. Aka SOTG, post game threads by Tower...
Wonder if Joey was watching Sam.
Quote from: Loose Cannon on November 11, 2016, 09:45:46 PM
Wonder if Joey was watching Sam.
Joey's SPASH football team just lost to Kimberly.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on November 11, 2016, 09:49:04 PM
Joey's SPASH football team just lost to Kimberly.
Thanks, maybe he'll make MSG. On 2nd though his folk most likely Taped the Vandy game.
How many live ball turnovers did we have? Seemed like almost all of our tos were offensive fouls. Not 1 travel the whole game.
It wasn't just that we made shots in the 2nd half... ..we took almost no bad shots. Wide open 3s off of great ball movement and layups for the most part.
Due to another commitment I could not watch the game or even listen...really could only get half time and final "wow" score.
So I'm eating up all this good vibe.
Saw rockhurst and will see Howard...but I'm looking ahead to Michigan. I want to see us take apart a decent team.
Quote from: MuMark on November 11, 2016, 10:02:47 PM
How many live ball turnovers did we have? Seemed like almost all of our tos were offensive fouls. Not 1 travel the whole game.
It wasn't just that we made shots in the 2nd half... ..we took almost no bad shots. Wide open 3s off of great ball movement and layups for the most part.
I know we had 4 illegal screens and at least 3 charges (1 of which was bogus). That leaves 5. I don't remember how many of those were live ball.
My takeaway is that we may not be susceptible to off nights, just because there are so many capable players. Ride the hot hand.
One reason for pause: we don't need Luke scoring like that every night, but we may need that defense to be as good every game. Matt clearly not ready for prime time yet.
Great start to the season.
Not sure if this got mentioned...Vanderbilt was out for warm-ups, but as the Navy Guard presented the colors the team headed into the locker room. It was the first time I've ever seen an entire team miss the National Anthem. Maybe just a mistake, but certainly seemed odd.
Worried a bit about Matt....
Quote from: real chili 83 on November 12, 2016, 06:41:30 AM
Worried a bit about Matt....
I wouldn't be. The refs really called us tight down low and his weren't the only moving screens. He seemed a bit frustrated, but early season games always are an adjustment. I'm more happy that Luke was able to play 32 than worried about Matt. Give him a couple games to adjust.
Quote from: MuMark on November 11, 2016, 10:02:47 PM
How many live ball turnovers did we have? Seemed like almost all of our tos were offensive fouls. Not 1 travel the whole game.
It wasn't just that we made shots in the 2nd half... ..we took almost no bad shots. Wide open 3s off of great ball movement and layups for the most part.
It got comparatively sloppy during garbage time. I know there were a couple of live ball turnovers late.
Quote from: GB Warrior on November 12, 2016, 12:11:52 AM
My takeaway is that we may not be susceptible to off nights, just because there are so many capable players. Ride the hot hand.
One reason for pause: we don't need Luke scoring like that every night, but we may need that defense to be as good every game. Matt clearly not ready for prime time yet.
Matty needs to get his butt in gear. He simply must be able to give this team 10 minutes court time without picking up 4-5 fouls. That said, I've now watched him play 3 times this year and he has elevated his game. But those moving screen fouls on the offensive end MUST stop. Plan B will be to give those minutes to Sam but I fear that a true big might eat his lunch down low.
First time I've followed along with Matty V on twitter. Constantly reminded of how nice it is to have him.
Again, looking back at The Midgets Part I, MU's keys for success this year are eFG% (61.5%), low turnover rate (15.3%), and fast paced, pressure defense since this year's team has depth to absorb fouls (78 possessions, 13 steals, 19 Vandy turnovers). MU won two of the four factors, and upped the pace and pressure.
MU lost two of the four factors, O Rebounding and Free Throw rates. O Rebounding effort was good, and MU didn't miss much in 2nd half especially. Fouling is a function of the pressure (and two miserable Big East officials). I suspect both of these to be with MU all season due to the make up of the team, but these two weaknesses can be offset by MU's two strengths as shown versus Vandy.
MU was well prepared and was way ahead with their experience and depth at this point in the season. Lots of plug and play options for Wojo. Hauser continues to really look good for a Frosh. Howard needs to play defense with his feet rather than his hands to stay in the game.
Lastly, the Midgets had four NBA players and one other Olympian (besides Jimmy). Who is capable on this roster of matching that? Haanif, JJJ, Luke, and....?
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on November 12, 2016, 07:35:32 AM
Again, looking back at The Midgets Part I, MU's keys for success this year are eFG% (61.5%), low turnover rate (15.3%), and fast paced, pressure defense since this year's team has depth to absorb fouls (78 possessions, 13 steals, 19 Vandy turnovers). MU won two of the four factors, and upped the pace and pressure.
MU lost two of the four factors, O Rebounding and Free Throw rates. O Rebounding effort was good, and MU didn't miss much in 2nd half especially. Fouling is a function of the pressure (and two miserable Big East officials). I suspect both of these to be with MU all season due to the make up of the team, but these two weaknesses can be offset by MU's two strengths as shown versus Vandy.
MU was well prepared and was way ahead with their experience and depth at this point in the season. Lots of plug and play options for Wojo. Hauser continues to really look good for a Frosh. Howard needs to play defense with his feet rather than his hands to stay in the game.
Lastly, the Midgets had four NBA players and one other Olympian (besides Jimmy). Who is capable on this roster of matching that? Haanif, JJJ, Luke, and....?
Sam being the most likely.
I'm not all that worried about Matt. His improvement from the first game last year to when he got hurt was very impressive. He did get called for a lot of moving screens last year though. May just need the game to slow down for him a touch.
Quote from: cheebs09 on November 12, 2016, 09:25:07 AM
I'm not all that worried about Matt. His improvement from the first game last year to when he got hurt was very impressive. He did get called for a lot of moving screens last year though. May just need the game to slow down for him a touch.
Setting picks is a coachable situation. I am sure Matt will know how to set a screen moving forward, because as a player you want more playing time and 2 quick fouls
like that does not cut it. Matt will be important, has to stay on the court, block out. He looks like a different player physically this year. Needs to give MU 10 minutes
a game, against smaller teams Hauser will play some center but that is not a perfect situation.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on November 11, 2016, 09:20:00 PM
Reminds of Novak.
Novak is top 5 pure shooter in human history. But he couldn't do anything else (a bit more well-rounded senior year but still). Sam has a sweet stroke but he's already a more well-rounded college player than Novak. Not saying he's already better than Novak was as a frosh (although he might be), or will end up having a better career (although he might). They just have different games.
I don't know if anybody else mentioned this in another thread but while I was thrilled with this victory I was less than thrilled with Katin. It seemed to me like he was throwing up a wild shot every time he got the ball. I know he made a few in the second half but not sure he deserved the minutes he got in this game. Am I totally off base here?
Quote from: BG-MU90 on November 12, 2016, 06:58:55 PMI don't know if anybody else mentioned this in another thread but while I was thrilled with this victory I was less than thrilled with Katin. It seemed to me like he was throwing up a wild shot every time he got the ball. I know he made a few in the second half but not sure he deserved the minutes he got in this game. Am I totally off base here?
Katin did take more shots than anybody else. But I didn't have a big issue with his shot selection. He is a 37% career 3-point shooter. Wojo has repeatedly emphasized offensive efficiency, so I'm sure he'll address that if he's concerned.
I was encouraged by the other things Katin did — playing tough defense, pulling down 4 rebounds, dishing 3 assists and making 2 steals. While he may not have had a great offensive game, he did make key contributions.
Katin struggled in the first half but was pretty darn good in the 2nd.
Wojo took him out when he took bad shots which I'm,sure is the way he will handle the roster this year with so many interchangeable parts.
He was 0-7 in first half and 6 of the7 shots were very good looks, a few rattled out. Second half 4-7, and after taking a rushed shot got pulled n brett nelson had a word with him. Hes gonna be really big for us. A big strong athletic kid thats 23-24 years old and a double digit scorer on an ncaa team is a real nice addition. People lament the transfers we lost but this kid is good.
Katin, had a bad first half and they were down by 1, but he was the key ingredient in the beginning of the second half to get them going. He has played lots of hoops,
he is a veteran that is needed for this team to be successful. 3 seniors compared to last year, big difference. At the end, the 3 seniors were the difference. His shooting as a stretch 4 is very important. This team will shoot MU to some big victories and with the bench having the ability to score, hopefully this team will not have
those 5 minute brain farts like they have had in the past. Michigan game will be interesting.
Very impressed with Sam Hauser. He is not only a shooter, he actually looks for guys to block out and get position for rebounds. Great fundamentals that MU has been lacking. Standing around and looking up does not lead to a lot of rebounds.
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on November 12, 2016, 10:09:16 AM
Novak is top 5 pure shooter in human history. But he couldn't do anything else (a bit more well-rounded senior year but still). Sam has a sweet stroke but he's already a more well-rounded college player than Novak. Not saying he's already better than Novak was as a frosh (although he might be), or will end up having a better career (although he might). They just have different games.
No argument from me. He just reminded me of Novak when he shoots from beyond the arc. I think Sam is a more complete player than Steve as Sam can play in and outside of the arc.
....and his brother is supposedly better; now that would be a combo I would like to see at MU.
•We turned it on in the 2nd half
• KR took some bad shots, came back with a solid 2nd half
•JJJ had six steals
• Traci Carter played great defense
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on November 12, 2016, 10:28:28 PMHe was 0-7 in first half and 6 of the7 shots were very good looks, a few rattled out. Second half 4-7, and after taking a rushed shot got pulled n brett nelson had a word with him. Hes gonna be really big for us. A big strong athletic kid thats 23-24 years old and a double digit scorer on an ncaa team is a real nice addition. People lament the transfers we lost but this kid is good.
This is right on. I watched the game again last night on DVR — specifically looking at Katin's shot selection. He knows how to find the open space, and his teammates look for him. Katin knows what a good shot is. Just wasn't knocking them down in the first half.
He did rush a couple shots, but really I'm OK with that. I'm not one to come down on players for taking shots early in the shot clock as long as they are shots within their ability to make and there isn't some overall clock consideration also going on (end of half or game.)
I think it might be a learning process for Katin. I'm not sure how things were at USC but he might have been asked to shoulder a heavy load. As he comes to appreciate the contributions of his fellow Warriors, I'm confident he'll be an excellent piece of our puzzle.
Nothing wrong with early shots. A rushed shot can happen early or late in the shot clock. One thing i liked about the game was we took very few bad shots. He took a few. I likethe guy alot as my post stated.
Katin will be a huge help. Frustrating at times when he's biffing wild shots.
But the way he can get involved in a hurry is nice. When he's hot he will be deadly because he can get good looks frequently.
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on November 13, 2016, 10:07:10 AM
•We turned it on in the 2nd half
• KR took some bad shots, came back with a solid 2nd half
•JJJ had six steals
• Traci Carter played great defense & 0 TO'S
There
Quote from: jsglow on November 13, 2016, 11:23:59 AM
I think it might be a learning process for Katin. I'm not sure how things were at USC but he might have been asked to shoulder a heavy load. As he comes to appreciate the contributions of his fellow Warriors, I'm confident he'll be an excellent piece of our puzzle.
This^. It was only the first game. Yes, he took 3 to 4 shots that were probably ill-advised/low percentage. Clean that up and he will be outstanding given all the other pieces around him.
Reminded me a little bit of Carlino the first half dozen games. I actually agreed with the "chucker" label at first. But Carlino had almost no help around him that year. Imagine him on this team the way they can spread the floor.