Several Wisconsin Athletes Decry Racism On Campus, Demand Change
http://deadspin.com/several-wisconsin-athletes-decry-racism-on-campus-dema-1788686557
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/17997039/wisconsin-badgers-players-cite-racial-bias-demand-change
Wait a second, [checks phone]... it isn't April 1st.
Racism in Madison? Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling! Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes... The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!
This was a pretty major theme in Madison when I worked there from 1983-85.
The more things change ...
I hate all Badgers on principal, but I'll give these students a tip of the hat. Many in their position would keep their heads down and say nothing. It takes guts to call out your own fanbase on something like this. I wonder if any of their white teammates joined them (not a judgement, honest curiosity).
oh, so if the chancellor says something, then like sheep, all the students will hold hands in the stadium and sing kum-ba-ya....if people don't know this is wrong by now....? i am very surprised that this wasn't taken care of in the crowd, showing others that this will NOT be tolerated anywhere. i don't care if it's "free speech" there are consequences to "free speech" whoever this dude/dudess was, is without hope if they cannot see that this is wrong? so if the university says it's wrong, then the stupid people out there will get it?? it's going to take a lot more than that unfortunately-probably something more along the lines of...well, you know what i mean. sometimes people will push the envelope as far as they can before they "get it" and even then, you can't beat the stupid out of some people.
This sh1t didn't happen on Donna Shalala's watch!
Oh...wait...
Must be tired of getting photo-shopped into pictures. Long overdue.
Before we get on our high horse about this, someone should probably ask how some minority athletes on the Marquette campus feel. I know some have had similar feelings in the past.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on November 08, 2016, 08:02:36 AM
Before we get on our high horse about this, someone should probably ask how some minority athletes on the Marquette campus feel. I know some have had similar feelings in the past.
Newsflash.... minorities feel out of place just about everywhere. It kind of goes with the territory of being a minority.
What makes this super juicy is that Madison is the epicenter of the Progressive movement and UW is supposedly this bastion of tolerance and opportunity for all regardless of race, gender, creed, etc. All the while, the sad reality is that racism in and around Madison is alive and well... it's just kept in the shadows. Heck, if there was an annual college competition for racism, the rankings would look a lot like the AP 25 has over the years: everyone expects a bunch of SEC and Big XII teams but no one can figure out why (or how) UW is always creeping around the top 10 at some point in the season.
In other words, no one here is getting on their high horse... we're just here to watch someone else get knocked off of theirs.
Oh yeah, one more thing..... Superbar.
Quote from: Benny B on November 08, 2016, 09:14:26 AM
Newsflash.... minorities feel out of place just about everywhere. It kind of goes with the territory of being a minority.
What makes this super juicy is that Madison is the epicenter of the Progressive movement and UW is supposedly this bastion of tolerance and opportunity for all regardless of race, gender, creed, etc. All the while, the sad reality is that racism in and around Madison is alive and well... it's just kept in the shadows. Heck, if there was an annual college competition for racism, the rankings would look a lot like the AP 25 has over the years: everyone expects a bunch of SEC and Big XII teams but no one can figure out why (or how) UW is always creeping around the top 10 at some point in the season.
In other words, no one here is getting on their high horse... we're just here to watch someone else get knocked off of theirs.
Oh yeah, one more thing..... Superbar.
You are confusing racism and lack of diversity.
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Nigel Hayes posted something about it
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on November 08, 2016, 11:01:38 AM
Nigel Hayes posted something about it
Nigel Hayes posts something about everything.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 08, 2016, 11:06:34 AM
Nigel Hayes posts something about everything.
Can't wait till December 10th ;D
Quote from: Benny B on November 08, 2016, 09:14:26 AM
Newsflash.... minorities feel out of place just about everywhere. It kind of goes with the territory of being a minority.
What makes this super juicy is that Madison is the epicenter of the Progressive movement and UW is supposedly this bastion of tolerance and opportunity for all regardless of race, gender, creed, etc. All the while, the sad reality is that racism in and around Madison is alive and well... it's just kept in the shadows. Heck, if there was an annual college competition for racism, the rankings would look a lot like the AP 25 has over the years: everyone expects a bunch of SEC and Big XII teams but no one can figure out why (or how) UW is always creeping around the top 10 at some point in the season.
In other words, no one here is getting on their high horse... we're just here to watch someone else get knocked off of theirs.
Oh yeah, one more thing..... Superbar.
Progressive Madison is one facet of the issue. IMO, a far larger one is the insular lily white nature of most of the rest of the state. Many students come to Madison having never interacted with people from different ethnic backgrounds on a regular basis. This is also shown in the on-going meme back in the day where so many Wisconsinites characterized MU athletes as 'thugs' and 'criminals', primarily based on race, while extolling the virtues of their basketball team that usually had more Caucasians and fewer African-Americans. Remember that?
So I applaud the athletes speaking out. Long overdue.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 08, 2016, 10:37:06 AM
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Because we need an overt racist's opinion in order to shed light on this matter
Quote from: tower912 on November 08, 2016, 11:23:40 AM
Progressive Madison is one facet of the issue. IMO, a far larger one is the insular lily white nature of most of the rest of the state. Many students come to Madison having never interacted with people from different ethnic backgrounds on a regular basis. This is also shown in the on-going meme back in the day where so many Wisconsinites characterized MU athletes as 'thugs' and 'criminals', primarily based on race, while extolling the virtues of their basketball team that usually had more Caucasians and fewer African-Americans. Remember that?
So I applaud the athletes speaking out. Long overdue.
Agree completely. I live in Madison. My old boss still tells me the angriest he ever saw me at work was when someone called Marquette players "thugs." When I asked why they thought they were, the answer was Dwight Bucyks's hair. You will have idiots in every fan base, but I'm confused why it took so long to revoke the tickets and punish those individuals.
i like what nigel hayes says about the ncaa. don't agree with him 100%, but he's a young man taking an interest in what he is involved in. kids have to figure things out...it's tough to allow them to do so when you don't agree, but i think it's healthy as long as he also listens.
like that there is discussion, especially in places like madison, about the level of racism is still a major issue that needs to be addressed. i'm not sure i understand the link to progressive/liberal towns...i don't know many liberals that would claim racism isn't an issue in every town. the conservative response is that it's typically overblown?
not sure what it feels like to be black at either school, but i've witnessed blatant racism on both campuses. it would be interesting to know where black students feel more comfortable.
i suppose you could say madison is getting knocked off its "progressive" high horse...i would think you could also question a whole lot about MU and its "catholic" high horse. in the end, i'd say it's not true progressives who are acting this way...nor is it true catholics who have done similar at MU.
Quote from: avid1010 on November 08, 2016, 11:33:35 AM
i like what nigel hayes says about the ncaa. don't agree with him 100%, but he's a young man taking an interest in what he is involved in. kids have to figure things out...it's tough to allow them to do so when you don't agree, but i think it's healthy as long as he also listens.
like that there is discussion, especially in places like madison, about the level of racism is still a major issue that needs to be addressed. i'm not sure i understand the link to progressive/liberal towns...i don't know many liberals that would claim racism isn't an issue in every town. the conservative response is that it's typically overblown?
not sure what it feels like to be black at either school, but i've witnessed blatant racism on both campuses. it would be interesting to know where black students feel more comfortable.
i suppose you could say madison is getting knocked off its "progressive" high horse...i would think you could also question a whole lot about MU and its "catholic" high horse. in the end, i'd say it's not true progressives who are acting this way...nor is it true catholics who have done similar at MU.
Superb comment.
Quote from: avid1010 on November 08, 2016, 11:33:35 AM
i like what nigel hayes says about the ncaa. don't agree with him 100%, but he's a young man taking an interest in what he is involved in. kids have to figure things out...it's tough to allow them to do so when you don't agree, but i think it's healthy as long as he also listens.
like that there is discussion, especially in places like madison, about the level of racism is still a major issue that needs to be addressed. i'm not sure i understand the link to progressive/liberal towns...i don't know many liberals that would claim racism isn't an issue in every town. the conservative response is that it's typically overblown?
not sure what it feels like to be black at either school, but i've witnessed blatant racism on both campuses. it would be interesting to know where black students feel more comfortable.
i suppose you could say madison is getting knocked off its "progressive" high horse...i would think you could also question a whole lot about MU and its "catholic" high horse. in the end, i'd say it's not true progressives who are acting this way...nor is it true catholics who have done similar at MU.
+1
Hayes has become one of my favorite Badgers because he seems fairly thoughtful and takes pride in speaking up for what he believes in. I don't always agree with him, and I also applaud Duane's reaction to what Hayes said last month, but I think it's important to have youth engaged in social issues that impact their lives.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on November 08, 2016, 08:02:36 AM
Before we get on our high horse about this, someone should probably ask how some minority athletes on the Marquette campus feel. I know some have had similar feelings in the past.
Yeah, I was wondering this. It's really easy to not see it if you don't have to, and I'm hoping we don't have a problem among our student base.
I know I never remember witnessing anything, but then again I was young, naive, busy with figuring out living in a new city/state, and honestly just may just have forgotten something that happened one time.
Quote from: avid1010 on November 08, 2016, 11:33:35 AM
like that there is discussion, especially in places like madison, about the level of racism is still a major issue that needs to be addressed. i'm not sure i understand the link to progressive/liberal towns...i don't know many liberals that would claim racism isn't an issue in every town. the conservative response is that it's typically overblown?
To be clear, I'm not linking racism to liberal/progressive locales. What I'm saying is that - strictly in the case of the Madison area, which permeates through the UW campus - what most people see as a model of tolerance and other progressive ideals is far from the reality once you peel back the curtain. Sure, racism exists everywhere... but where it's most dangerous is in a place where nobody expects it to be. Madison and the UW keep sweeping their racial issues under the rug... whether it's because they don't want to tarnish their image, because it's not a priority issue, or they don't want the disruption, nobody's cleaning up the mess because, from 10,000 feet, there's no mess at all. The truth is that - like many cities - Madison has some real problems with race, but unless they shed the facade and deal with it, it's only going to fester.
Again... I'm not saying this happens anywhere or nowhere else. I'm not purporting any link or correlation. In fact, I don't even think that other progressive locales are even as prone to the same structural flaw... and that may have something to do with the fact that UW refuses to admit the magnitude of its problem. Because while issuing an apology and holding a rally for diversity awareness after you get caught photoshopping a black guy into a group of white students is great for window-dressing, it doesn't address the heart of the issue.
The issues that Madison face, and the issues that UW face, are really two different things. One has to do with residents who can say one thing about race, but have trouble living it. UW has more to do with the attitudes of its students in a largely white student body.
BTW, what is UW "refusing to admit?"
Good opportunity for our student section during rodent intros in a few weeks:
"Ra-cist cam-pus". Clap clap clap clap clap
Quote from: GooooMarquette on November 08, 2016, 01:46:54 PM
Good opportunity for our student section during rodent intros in a few weeks:
"Ra-cist cam-pus". Clap clap clap clap clap
That chant just increased the ticket prices for the game.
Like the responses here so far. Racism is a tough nut to crack for so many reasons--I think a piece of it, especially in conventionally "progressive" places, is that while we've rightly labeled racism as an odious thing, it's been stigmatized to the point where we simply refuse to accept that it still pervades our thoughts and actions. Think about it--if you call out someone for saying something racist, the first reaction is almost always for them to get defensive about it. There's an unwillingness to self-reflect and examine, so no one learns or grows from the experience.
And, sadly, looking at some of the comments around the internet on this topic, there's even an attempt by some to deny the validity of Nigel's thoughts on the matter, like he's not allowed to have an opinion. I'm happy he's using his status to speak out and be heard on this stuff, even if some people continue to just not get it.
Quote from: Cooby Snacks on November 08, 2016, 01:51:58 PM
Like the responses here so far. Racism is a tough nut to crack for so many reasons--I think a piece of it, especially in conventionally "progressive" places, is that while we've rightly labeled racism as an odious thing, it's been stigmatized to the point where we simply refuse to accept that it still pervades our thoughts and actions. Think about it--if you call out someone for saying something racist, the first reaction is almost always for them to get defensive about it. There's an unwillingness to self-reflect and examine, so no one learns or grows from the experience.
And, sadly, looking at some of the comments around the internet on this topic, there's even an attempt by some to deny the validity of Nigel's thoughts on the matter, like he's not allowed to have an opinion. I'm happy he's using his status to speak out and be heard on this stuff, even if some people continue to just not get it.
Very well stated.
My sincerest Thanks and compliments on the tone and tenor of these posts. Only months after the vitrol of the politics board we have responded thoughtfully to a hot button issue of the day.
The progress that is needed to improve on racism in the USA depends on open thoughtful, and respectful discourse.
Thank you for this, but...I tend to agree....
superbar. lol
*Opens can...*
It blows my mind that people might use their status/spotlight to address issues meaningful to them.
I'm surprised more don't do it. Especially on a professional level.
We'd all be okay with that, as long as it was peaceful, right?
*...worms now everywhere.*
*Runs away*
https://twitter.com/sfy/status/796119888649560064
Not sure how Hayes is being oversensitive.
Quote from: MUDPT on November 08, 2016, 11:32:21 AM
Agree completely. I live in Madison. My old boss still tells me the angriest he ever saw me at work was when someone called Marquette players "thugs." When I asked why they thought they were, the answer was Dwight Bucyks's hair. You will have idiots in every fan base, but I'm confused why it took so long to revoke the tickets and punish those individuals.
If that guy believed that the team was thugs because of Buycks' hair, then he must feel that the team was a bunch of gang bangin' thugs when terry Reason played.
i often hold al up as a great example of what can be done when you embrace diversity and individuals. he let, and encouraged, his players to be themselves...as a result they flourished. i wasn't around at that time, but watching and reading what i have about al, i have to believe there were plenty of people that objected???
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on November 08, 2016, 01:39:15 PM
BTW, what is UW "refusing to admit?"
That they're no different, and perhaps even have it worse, than most other major universities when it comes to racial issues.
What avid said is dead-on. Call someone out for racism, and they get defensive. And as we all know, in Madison, there's no offense when you're playing defense.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on November 08, 2016, 05:00:32 PM
Not sure how Hayes is being oversensitive.
And the implied "Shut up and take it" is a really horrible message to send to a kid speaking out about a problem like this.
Quote from: Benny B on November 08, 2016, 05:38:57 PM
That they're no different, and perhaps even have it worse, than most other major universities when it comes to racial issues.
When has UW asserted they were different?
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on November 08, 2016, 05:49:12 PM
When has UW asserted they were different?
Racism does start at schools, I do not know if it has changed, but at the Nicolet School systems, the kids are bused in and at lunch the black sit with the black kids
and the white with the white kids. Maybe somebody can enlighten me, if it has changed. But it should. It starts there.
Quote from: TSmith34 on November 08, 2016, 11:27:37 AM
Because we need an overt racist's opinion in order to shed light on this matter
teal, right?
Quote from: Cooby Snacks on November 08, 2016, 05:40:07 PM
And the implied "Shut up and take it" is a really horrible message to send to a kid speaking out about a problem like this.
As a KC guy I've watched Whitlock go from "taking different opinions to spark needed conversation" to "just plane agitator". I think he's just trying to hold onto his niche which is sad to see at the expense of those he could support.
I don't know enough about Madison (thankfully) to know about their towns social dynamics but I do appreciate Nigel's thoughtful expression. Seems like a good guy other than 40 minutes in December (also - should probably swallow the 'racist campus' chant - won't go over well on TV at all)
Quote from: rocket surgeon on November 08, 2016, 06:50:02 PM
teal, right?
your questioning of teal is in teal right?
How does one decry?
If one wants to cry foul, how does that compare to one that wants to decry foul?
Anyone who doesn't think that Marquette's campus is immune from this is probably white...
As Benny points out, however, the PDR of Madison considers itself a bastion of tolerance and inclusion. Aspiration and reality canb be very different things.
Fact is, WI is one of the more segregated and intolerant states in the Union.
Quote from: TSmith34 on November 08, 2016, 09:40:20 PM
Just a traditional post, you know?
that's quite the bomb you're throwing, aina? where i come from, it's typically not cool to blast someone with false accusations upon one who cannot defend themselves. but you just couldn't help yourself. you may have had some very real differences with the man, but to stoop to using the "R" word on him is disgusting. so by using the word "traditional" is grounds for labeling a person "racist"?? say all you want about disagreeing with his points of view, but calling someone a racist over that is just intellectually lazy and dishonest and wrong and deserves an apology...just a reminder of what he said as he cannot defend himself here
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I provided an answer to you previously in this thread - but I'm pretty sure you are more than capable of identifying why they are traditional: good shooters from the field, fundamentally sound, resemble Wisconsin Badger players, and they are white.
Did I really need to lay this out to you a 2nd time, when you are the board's resident expert on traditional recruiting?!!
Ahh...thank you, don't recall seeing it but I'll go and check it out. I don't define traditional with an ethnicity, race or anything else about the player, why are you doing that? Why is race such an issue with your definition?
Justice isn't fundamentally sound....he's a poor free throw shooter and a poor 3 point shooter, nothing fundamental about him at all.
I think you and others on this board confuse "traditional" with what you perceive to be some odd vision of some little white kid running around. As I've stated from the beginning, I would define Wesley Matthews as traditional Steve Novak, Travis Diener, etc...smart players that do the traditional things like shoot, pass, make free throws as fitting my traditional definition. Last I checked, not all those guys are white, or Asian, or African American, or Hispanic, etc....
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Because they look very much like Wisconsin Badgers. Good shooters from the field. Fundamentally sound. White. What else do you need? You are their biggest advocate!!
I'm the biggest advocate of fundamentally sound players....white, black, green, purple doesn't matter. Taylor of Wisconsin is an extremely fundamentally sound player. Tell me again if he's white?
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Because they look very much like Wisconsin Badgers. Good shooters from the field. Fundamentally sound. White. What else do you need? You are their biggest advocate!!
I'm the biggest advocate of fundamentally sound players....white, black, green, purple doesn't matter. Taylor of Wisconsin is an extremely fundamentally sound player. Tell me again if he's white?
Nice straw man you got going there ners, but not surprised at all.
By the way, is Justice a "good shooter" because he's white and he fits YOUR definition of traditional? I think he's anything but fundamentally sound. 61% FT shooter, 25% 3Point shooter...below 35% overall. Exactly why do YOU think he's fundamental or even a good shooter? The stats don't say that...must be YOUR definition of traditional which certainly isn't mine. Too bad race is such a key issue with your definition.
Marra...same story...28.5% 3-point shooter, below 33% overall, but he is a good FT shooter so he fits one of the criteria.
Weird that you would call them both good shooters when they clearly aren't. Weird. Something tells me you were trying to make a point but missed very very badly. Try again.
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on November 08, 2016, 11:08:55 AM
Can't wait till December 10th ;D
I hope we don't witness a disaster where MU students trying to embarrass Wisconsin students end up coming off as racist themselves.
Quote from: 4everCrean on November 09, 2016, 08:22:12 AM
I hope we don't witness a disaster where MU students trying to embarrass Wisconsin students end up coming off as racist themselves.
Yeah the white bros wearing headresses calling UW racist is probably not exactly the image we want to set for ourselves.
Quote from: MUDPT on November 08, 2016, 11:32:21 AM
Agree completely. I live in Madison. My old boss still tells me the angriest he ever saw me at work was when someone called Marquette players "thugs." When I asked why they thought they were, the answer was Dwight Bucyks's hair. You will have idiots in every fan base, but I'm confused why it took so long to revoke the tickets and punish those individuals.
Legitimate concerns over free speech protections. Free speech can be messy. You could argue that Wisconsin violated the Constitution in order to protect its own image. Clearly the University was obligated by decency to denounce the costume, taking away the tickets of the perpetrators probably went too far.
Quote from: 4everCrean on November 09, 2016, 08:30:09 AM
Legitimate concerns over free speech protections. Free speech can be messy. You could argue that Wisconsin violated the Constitution in order to protect its own image. Clearly the University was obligated by decency to denounce the costume, taking away the tickets of the perpetrators probably went too far.
It's not a free speech or Constitutional issue. You have no Constitutional right to football tickets.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on November 09, 2016, 05:31:15 AM
that's quite the bomb you're throwing, right?
His "traditional" comment has been litigated on here endlessly. In typical Chicos fashion, he tried after the fact to claim he meant something else. Perhaps that would have worked if there wasn't already a body of evidence around his thoughts. Appears others saw it too.
Quote from: TSmith34 on November 09, 2016, 10:59:56 AM
His "traditional" comment has been litigated on here endlessly. In typical Chicos fashion, he tried after the fact to claim he meant something else. Perhaps that would have worked if there wasn't already a body of evidence around his thoughts. Appears others saw it too.
What he meant to say is that he prefers gritty, high-motor kids who are always the last to leave the gym and beat you with their toughness and high basketball IQs. You know, the coach's son, gym rat, lunch pail types who play with a lot of heart, respect the game and get the most out of their limited yet sneaky athleticism.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 09, 2016, 11:05:39 AM
What he meant to say is that he prefers gritty, high-motor kids who are always the last to leave the gym and beat you with their toughness and high basketball IQs. You know, the coach's son, gym rat, lunch pail types who play with a lot of heart, respect the game and get the most out of their limited yet sneaky athleticism.
Perfect.
And like Jordy Nelson, they are unexpectedly fast.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 09, 2016, 09:40:07 AM
It's not a free speech or Constitutional issue. You have no Constitutional right to football tickets.
Except in Texas. State constitution mandates presence at local high school football games there. That's the only logical explanation I can figure.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on November 08, 2016, 05:49:12 PM
When has UW asserted they were different?
Honestly, we have done it for as long as I can remember. We are somehow superior morally. We are not. The city is overwhelming white. As fans, I have witnessed our fans attack other players, including Marquette's, with implied tinged comments about tattoos, what their hair looks like, whether they are from the inner city or not. We believe our stuff doesn't stink, but we act differently. This town can ooze dishonesty and fraudulent insincerity.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 09, 2016, 09:40:07 AM
It's not a free speech or Constitutional issue. You have no Constitutional right to football tickets.
But you do have a constitutional right to not be discriminated against commercially by a governmental entity due to your exercise of a First Amendment right.
Quote from: 4everCrean on November 10, 2016, 09:10:09 AM
But you do have a constitutional right to not be discriminated against commercially by a governmental entity due to your exercise of a First Amendment right.
No, you don't.
Quote from: Badgerhoney on November 10, 2016, 09:01:02 AM
Honestly, we have done it for as long as I can remember. We are somehow superior morally. We are not. The city is overwhelming white. As fans, I have witnessed our fans attack other players, including Marquette's, with implied tinged comments about tattoos, what their hair looks like, whether they are from the inner city or not. We believe our stuff doesn't stink, but we act differently. This town can ooze dishonesty and fraudulent insincerity.
OK, now I know you're Chicos
Quote from: Badgerhoney on November 10, 2016, 09:01:02 AM
Honestly, we have done it for as long as I can remember. We are somehow superior morally. We are not. The city is overwhelming white. As fans, I have witnessed our fans attack other players, including Marquette's, with implied tinged comments about tattoos, what their hair looks like, whether they are from the inner city or not. We believe our stuff doesn't stink, but we act differently. This town can ooze dishonesty and fraudulent insincerity.
Chicos, I am talking about the University specifically.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 10, 2016, 09:16:40 AM
OK, now I know you're Chicos
Not sure what this means, but houstonwarrior a month or two back tried to explain it. Try living in Madison as a man or woman of color, which is what Nigel is saying. He is right. What is not to understand? The call out is the city believes it is a progressive beacon, when it really is a progressive ivory tower. If you are a person of color and live here, you would know what I say is true.
Quote from: Badgerhoney on November 10, 2016, 09:27:02 AM
Not sure what this means, but houstonwarrior a month or two back tried to explain it. Try living in Madison as a man or woman of color, which is what Nigel is saying. He is right. What is not to understand? The call out is the city believes it is a progressive beacon, when it really is a progressive ivory tower. If you are a person of color and live here, you would know what I say is true.
Chicos, pretending to be a black man to try and gain high ground in an argument is sick, even for you.
Quote from: Benny B on November 07, 2016, 11:00:40 PM
Wait a second, [checks phone]... it isn't April 1st.
Racism in Madison? Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling! Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes... The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!
Just a silly comment. What does the progressive nature of Madison even have to do with this? His comment was about the UW student base.
And the simple fact is that the majority of UW students are either from out-of-state or from cities and towns where there is little to no diversity.
(Yes, Benny, I understand sarcasm.) My comment is for the people reading your comment.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 10, 2016, 09:16:40 AM
OK, now I know you're Chicos
Wouldn't Chicos have mentioned which famous person he was hanging out with while he witnessed these attacks?
Quote from: RKMU123 on November 10, 2016, 11:25:29 AM
Wouldn't Chicos have mentioned which famous person he was hanging out with while he witnessed these attacks?
Maybe badgerhoney is one Chico's many minority friends he's told us about over the years who agree with him about everything.
Why are the mods even allowing this... page clicks perhaps? Maybe Spiral is Chicos... you never see them in the same place at the same time. In fact, you never see Spiral at all when Chicos and his Alta are posting.
"And the simple fact is that the majority of UW students are either from out-of-state or from cities and towns where there is little to no diversity."
is that a fact? majority? source please...how does one quantify diversity? numbers of minorities? whether or not it is taught in the community k-12? who says what is diverse? diversity police?
i mean this is silly. everyone knows madison is the berkley of the midwest. half of our comments are in faux disbelief this could even be occurring in madison. as noted by the gasping in the background. hard to say otherwise. most major cities with major universities and state capitals, county seats are usually liberal because of all the gubmint employees and university "brainiacs"
Nigel is now standing behind his teammates during the National Anthem in protest. Some message he's sending to his teammates. What else will this guy protest in the last few months of his college career?
Quote from: wadesworld on November 11, 2016, 08:40:10 PM
Nigel is now standing behind his teammates during the National Anthem in protest. Some message he's sending to his teammates. What else will this guy protest in the last few months of his college career?
oh, so that's what they mean by leading from behind ?-(
It is a shame that people use the term racist the way they do today. Someone doesn't agree with the President, they are racist. Someone believes in lawfully enforcing our borders, they are a racist. This word has meaning, and based on how it is used in society and here, people don't seem to know what the meaning is.
Everyone should just relax, roll a joint and enjoy life's goodness man.
Pakuniman, do you have any minority friends? I do, and most of them think the way I do. Isn't that natural? People tend to be with other people that are like minded, have similar interests. That also extends to my female friends, minority friends. My friend Erik, a black dude, voted for the winner on Tuesday night and proudly had da winner's signs in his yard the last 6 months.
Rocketdoctor, you make laugh.
Xbrand, is there data man to support your claim that most students from UW are from out of state or from cities and towns with no diversity? Madison itself has almost no diversity, if the definition of diversity is based solely on race. Which it shouldn't be, but we love to label people in this country.
Badgerhun, why you here?
Nigel Hayes, is not smart. Is that racist that I made that comment? It is a true statement, but my suspicion is that some will say it is a racist statement only because of who he is. Society is kinds of crazy these days.
Benjamin B Buttons, haiku me!
Quote from: MURahRah1 on November 12, 2016, 12:36:47 AM
Xbrand, is there data man to support your claim that most students from UW are from out of state or from cities and towns with no diversity? Madison itself has almost no diversity, if the definition of diversity is based solely on race. Which it shouldn't be, but we love to label people in this country.
My claim is based on my belief that more than 13% of the UW student base is from rural areas of Wisconsin. Is that easier to understand? Does it sound like some wild statement? Rural wisconsin is not diverse racially.
As far as what is racism? When a white student dresses as a black man with a noose around his neck? That symbol is the very essence of racism. But to millions in this country (and many here), Nigel is just being too sensitive.
I have never, ever said that someone disagreeing with our president is a racist. I HAVE said that someone who denies the legitimacy of a black president is racist. I have never said that someone wanting border security is racist. I HAVE said that someone who calls Mexicans rapists and drug dealers and refers to them only as stereotypes - as a blanket statement - is racist. When someone says that the ONLY reason a judge cannot be impartial is because he is Mexican, that is a racist statement.
I am not breaking any new ground here on definitions.
Quote from: MURahRah1 on November 12, 2016, 12:36:47 AM
Pakuniman, do you have any minority friends? I do, and most of them think the way I do. Isn't that natural? People tend to be with other people that are like minded, have similar interests. That also extends to my female friends, minority friends. My friend Erik, a black dude, voted for the winner on Tuesday night and proudly had da winner's signs in his yard the last 6 months.
Xbrand, is there data man to support your claim that most students from UW are from out of state or from cities and towns with no diversity? Madison itself has almost no diversity, if the definition of diversity is based solely on race. Which it shouldn't be, but we love to label people in this country.
Nigel Hayes, is not smart. Is that racist that I made that comment? It is a true statement, but my suspicion is that some will say it is a racist statement only because of who he is. Society is kinds of crazy these days.
I wonder if we got pretend "Erik" on a pretend phone and asked if he knew chicas ........
Nigel Hayes is stupid? That statement itself is the ultimate in arrogance and stupidity. And probably, yes, racism. Your reason? Who knows? You haven't produced his transcript, so there is no proof. All we are left with is your word. Not much value there.
Why is he not smart? You say it is a fact. Apparently for one simple reason. He doesn't think like you. He has the uppityness to think that he can attend a football game without having to see the mockery of a black man with a noose around his neck, where the deepest wounds of his race are not mocked.. He has the stupidity to think that we can be better that what we are. That we can achieve a society where we really are equal. A society where life can be better than it is now.
To you, that represents stupidy. To me? It merely represents the American Dream.
No, this is a very smart young man. Willing to risk tons of abuse from white fans like you who call him stupid and think he is arrogant for not knowing his place.
Quote from: brandx on November 12, 2016, 08:16:26 AM
I wonder if we got pretend "Erik" on a pretend phone and asked if he knew chicas ........
Nigel Hayes is stupid? That statement itself is the ultimate in arrogance and stupidity. And probably, yes, racism. Your reason? Who knows? You haven't produced his transcript, so there is no proof. All we are left with is your word. Not much value there.
Why is he not smart? You say it is a fact. Apparently for one simple reason. He doesn't think like you. He has the uppityness to think that he can attend a football game without having to see the mockery of a black man with a noose around his neck, where the deepest wounds of his race are not mocked.. He has the stupidity to think that we can be better that what we are. That we can achieve a society where we really are equal. A society where life can be better than it is now.
To you, that represents stupidy. To me? It merely represents the American Dream.
No, this is a very smart young man. Willing to risk tons of abuse from white fans like you who call him stupid and think he is arrogant for not knowing his place.
There is no pretend Erik. Is it hard for you to understand how many African Americans don't fall lock stop with you? Didn't Obama's own brother vote for Trump? Look at the number of athletes that did, and yes many didn't.
I'd prefer you act like Doc Rivers, a great Marquette alumnus, who wishes Trump well and wants him to be a great leader. For the same reason you may not like the pilot of the airplane, but you want him to do his job.
Nigel Hayes, based on what he has said about compensating athletes, the argument he forms indicates to me he isn't too bright. Not a fact, my opinion. He can do what he wants, say what he desires, and I can respond in kind. More importantly, point out where he lacts facts, makes up claims with NCAA that are 100% false.
Can you provide that information for us that shows the lack of diversity Wisconsin students have because you know where they are from, what each of their individual lives is like? You said it like it was a fact, right?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 10, 2016, 09:16:40 AM
OK, now I know you're Chicos
sorry, that ain't chicos either. i spose if ya keep on guessing every time we get a newbie on here speaking with a conservative bent, you'll get it right one of these times, AY'na?
MURahRah1 at 12:36:47 a.m.:
Nigel Hayes, is not smart. Is that racist that I made that comment? It is a true statement, but my suspicion is that some will say it is a racist statement only because of who he is.
MURahRah1 at 8:16:26 a.m.:
Nigel Hayes, based on what he has said about compensating athletes, the argument he forms indicates to me he isn't too bright. Not a fact, my opinion.
So it is a "true statement" (a.k.a., a fact) or "not a fact, my opinion"? Did it stop being a fact after you slept on it?
Look, I agree that "racist" shouldn't be the catch-all attack against those we disagree with. One shouldn't be afraid to criticize the president because he/she will be called a racist.
OTOH, some folks are racists or, at the very least, repeatedly make racist comments -- as Ryan famously said Trump did re the Mexican judge.
What is worse: pretending that racism doesn't exist or always claiming that others are racist? Both are unacceptable, but both often come down to opinion.
Those who don't believe our president-elect is racist -- or at least has a propensity for saying racist things -- either have their heads buried deep in the sand or are, themselves, racists. There really isn't a third option.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on November 12, 2016, 02:32:00 PM
sorry, that ain't chicos either. i spose if ya keep on guessing every time we get a newbie on here speaking with a conservative bent, you'll get it right one of these times, AY'na?
Yes, it is Chicos.
Quote from: real chili 83 on November 13, 2016, 03:39:17 PM
Yes, it is Chicos.
he would have told me as he gave me a heads up on when he was going to post and to watch for them. other times, he would message me on facebook and we would exchange thoughts about a scoop topic. he and i laughed about how he's being accused of being accused of being honeybadger and MURah or any newbie speaking with a conservative slant. it was a little tough to take as certain people were calling him depraved and needing help as he just could help himself from posting, blah blah-it wasn't him
one way to tell MURah is NOT chicos is if you go back to a thread about henry and alum. chicos correctly asserted an alum is not necessarily a grad...it's back there somewhere. now i'm not here to critisize MURah, but he cotradicted chicos assertion re: alum. and the last thing chicos needs at this time is for people to think he's back to his same ole schtuff-trust me, it's NOT him, but i could see how people thought that
i've confirmed with him, these 2 dudes aren't him, but i like their thinking-i'm gonna have to check in with the 2 clones however ;D
Do you talk to Chicos on the underboard?
Quote from: real chili 83 on November 14, 2016, 05:38:05 AM
Do you talk to Chicos on the underboard?
No its more of a tin can & twine based system
rocket is Scoop's "chicos whisperer"!
Quote from: rocket surgeon on November 14, 2016, 04:53:19 AM
one way to tell MURah is NOT chicos is if you go back to a thread about henry and alum. chicos correctly asserted an alum is not necessarily a grad...it's back there somewhere. now i'm not here to critisize MURah, but he cotradicted chicos assertion re: alum. and the last thing chicos needs at this time is for people to think he's back to his same ole schtuff-trust me, it's NOT him, but i could see how people thought that
Good point. I never understood the alumni thing, always thought you had to be a graduate of a school unless it was an honorary degree of some kind.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on November 14, 2016, 04:53:19 AM
he would have told me as he gave me a heads up on when he was going to post and to watch for them. other times, he would message me on facebook and we would exchange thoughts about a scoop topic. he and i laughed about how he's being accused of being accused of being honeybadger and MURah or any newbie speaking with a conservative slant. it was a little tough to take as certain people were calling him depraved and needing help as he just could help himself from posting, blah blah-it wasn't him
one way to tell MURah is NOT chicos is if you go back to a thread about henry and alum. chicos correctly asserted an alum is not necessarily a grad...it's back there somewhere. now i'm not here to critisize MURah, but he cotradicted chicos assertion re: alum. and the last thing chicos needs at this time is for people to think he's back to his same ole schtuff-trust me, it's NOT him, but i could see how people thought that
i've confirmed with him, these 2 dudes aren't him, but i like their thinking-i'm gonna have to check in with the 2 clones however ;D
So your source that Chicos isn't these other guys is Chicos?
That seems like very sound logic. ::)