http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/10/22/calif-university-deems-man-secretary-male-nurse-not-inclusive-enough.html
this was just too good to pass up
no more phrases with the term "man" in it nor anything that may imply a specific gender. BUT, ya'll gotta appreciate the spokeswhatever's disclaimer at the end...put it this way-freedom of speech really ain't free out there. don't let them kid you. i'm sure they're going to have a run on counselors for those who are having difficulty ridding themselves of that nasty old "man-made" habit.
is it any wonder why their 4 year graduation rate is 13%??
please please, i hope this one burns out before it gets to the midwest.
time for a "4everwarrior-ism" to bring some levity back to mankind, 'ey?
Just stop.
Quote from: jesmu84 on October 22, 2016, 06:39:01 PM
Just stop.
lighten up francis-just having a little fun ;)
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 22, 2016, 06:16:52 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/10/22/calif-university-deems-man-secretary-male-nurse-not-inclusive-enough.html
this was just too good to pass up
no more phrases with the term "man" in it nor anything that may imply a specific gender. BUT, ya'll gotta appreciate the spokeswhatever's disclaimer at the end...put it this way-freedom of speech really ain't free out there. don't let them kid you. i'm sure they're going to have a run on counselors for those who are having difficulty ridding themselves of that nasty old "man-made" habit.
is it any wonder why their 4 year graduation rate is 13%??
please please, i hope this one burns out before it gets to the midwest.
time for a "4everwarrior-ism" to bring some levity back to mankind, 'ey?
The words aren't banned. It's just a list of commonly used non inclusive phrases that they want to make people aware of and think about.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on October 22, 2016, 10:00:15 PM
The words aren't banned. It's just a list of commonly used non inclusive phrases that they want to make people aware of and think about.
"Also off-limits: "Mankind," "man the desk/phones/tables," "hey guys," "man-made," "workmanship," "hey, dudes!" and "the common man." And don't even think about using "man" or calling someone "Mrs. or Miss," or more than a dozen other words and phrases.
As part of its Inclusive Language Program, CSU Fullerton also invited students to let the University know what words or phrases "you want people to eliminate."
i'm thinking about what these words really mean as well
i guess i am just a little uncomfortable about where we are going with all of this
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 23, 2016, 07:42:09 AM
"Also off-limits: "Mankind," "man the desk/phones/tables," "hey guys," "man-made," "workmanship," "hey, dudes!" and "the common man." And don't even think about using "man" or calling someone "Mrs. or Miss," or more than a dozen other words and phrases.
As part of its Inclusive Language Program, CSU Fullerton also invited students to let the University know what words or phrases "you want people to eliminate."
i'm thinking about what these words really mean as well
i guess i am just a little uncomfortable about where we are going with all of this
It's all from the Newspeak dictionary from 1984.
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Love is Hate
Big Brother Loves You.
PC isms at it again. Dat's why Trump gained traction. A penis is a dick and a vagina is a poosay, and its always gonna be so in spite of witch crapper ya walk inta, ai na?
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 23, 2016, 07:42:09 AM
"Also off-limits: "Mankind," "man the desk/phones/tables," "hey guys," "man-made," "workmanship," "hey, dudes!" and "the common man." And don't even think about using "man" or calling someone "Mrs. or Miss," or more than a dozen other words and phrases.
As part of its Inclusive Language Program, CSU Fullerton also invited students to let the University know what words or phrases "you want people to eliminate."
i'm thinking about what these words really mean as well
i guess i am just a little uncomfortable about where we are going with all of this
The article you quoted says off limits. If you actually read the statement from the university, there is nothing about them being off limits. The author is just doesn't like the concept of inclusive language so he tries to make it seem worse than it is.
I'm fine if the university wants people to think about the implications of some of these words. Men remain Mr. regardless of their marital status, but women go from Ms. to Mrs. when they marry because society deemed it important to know that they are now "owned" by a man. Its an interesting thing to think about discuss. The kind of discussion you should be having at a university. Some are a little silly IMHO. The "man the stations" one stands out.
Come on, Rocket. You can't even agree that "male nurse" is a stupid phrase?
I take it you don't have any "lady dentists" in your practice.
I haven't been using words like "secretary" or "mankind" for nearly 20 years. And I never refer to someone as "Miss" or "Mrs" unless they identify as such.
Really, this is a controversy?
Amen
(can we say Amen, since men is in the word?)
Quote from: warriorchick on October 23, 2016, 10:19:23 AM
Come on, Rocket. You can't even agree that "male nurse" is a stupid phrase?
I take it you don't have any "lady dentists" in your practice.
i did a few years ago and she was a damn good dds. left due to health issues and to have babies. we still keep in touch and she knows that she is welcome to come back to help out any time
"male nurse" sometimes people want a clarification as historically, the career has been dominated by women. i do not see the use of the term is or should be a degradation. tell people to be offended or tell them what to be offended by?
how about this one-"male dental hygienist" i've only met 2 in my life. so is that term out of bounds as well?
all that this does is clear up any preconceived notion; nothing disrespectful in my mind, but then again, i may need some re-programming myself ?-(
the article also states " inappropriate to use" the terms they outline in their "guide" so what does "inappropriate" mean? if the wrong person over hears one using one of the "inappropriate" words, what kind of "discipline" is forthcoming from the "word police"? counselors, man your stations, 'ey?
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 23, 2016, 07:42:09 AM
"Also off-limits: "Mankind," "man the desk/phones/tables," "hey guys," "man-made," "workmanship," "hey, dudes!" and "the common man." And don't even think about using "man" or calling someone "Mrs. or Miss," or more than a dozen other words and phrases.
As part of its Inclusive Language Program, CSU Fullerton also invited students to let the University know what words or phrases "you want people to eliminate."
i'm thinking about what these words really mean as well
i guess i am just a little uncomfortable about where we are going with all of this
With the exception of TAMU being right (they are not banned) and agreeing with warriorchick, Male Nurse is absurdly stupid; I agree with you on this issue.
These words are not "non-inclusive", they are only "non-inclusive" because people are looking for things to take offense at. Man, Woman, Mankind, men, women, male, female are only non-inclusive because they are describing physically different entities for clarity sake.
masculine and feminine be avoided because they are divisive; how about the word feminism then, rooted in the word female and feminine for the intentional demarcation between man and woman.
There are key issues that need to be addressed. We are a long way from treating people with equality. There are many causes to that problem, but these words are not part of it; rather focusing on issues like these words, instead of the major discriminatory issues only detracts and cheapens an important movement.
well, here we go-northern colorado univ. mandates "free speech" that ain't so free, 'ey?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/10/27/univ-northern-colorado-students-forced-to-use-mandatory-gender-neutral-language.html
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 27, 2016, 03:05:54 PM
well, here we go-northern colorado univ. mandates "free speech" that ain't so free, 'ey?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/10/27/univ-northern-colorado-students-forced-to-use-mandatory-gender-neutral-language.html
The University of Northern Colorado isn't mandating anything.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on October 23, 2016, 10:10:02 AM
Men remain Mr. regardless of their marital status, but women go from Ms. to Mrs. when they marry because society deemed it important to know that they are now "owned" by a man. Its an interesting thing to think about discuss.
You missed some history here.
Prior to the 70s the term was Miss for the unmarried female and Mrs. for the married.
"Ms."... fixed the problem,
Ms. was newly invented to cover both. It remains proper/preferred to refer to any female with the Ms. connotation as it applies regardless of marital status...ie
Ms. is the equivalent of Mr. and is the permanent cure for the historical female marital status monikers you have referenced.
Please revise your TAMU Title IX handbook accordingly. lol
People who get all their news from Fox News probably shouldn't mock others for seeking "safe spaces."
Quote from: Pakuni on October 27, 2016, 03:48:41 PM
People who get all their news from Fox News probably shouldn't mock others for seeking "safe spaces."
Thanks for that.
Quote from: Badgerhoney on October 23, 2016, 11:30:41 AM
Amen
(can we say Amen, since men is in the word?)
Yes, Chicos, you can say Amen. You are not persecuted. It's just the voices in your head telling you so.
Quote from: Pakuni on October 27, 2016, 03:48:41 PM
People who get all their news from Fox News probably shouldn't mock others for seeking "safe spaces."
why is that? and BTW, i don't get all my news from fox
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 27, 2016, 03:59:09 PM
why is that? and BTW, i don't get all my news from fox
Of course you don't, ya got Brietbart and Alex Jones too.
JOKES! Like RS! :P
Quote from: Pakuni on October 27, 2016, 03:48:41 PM
People who get all their news from Fox News probably shouldn't mock others for seeking "safe spaces."
That ad hominem argument though.
In before the lock.
Quote from: #UnleashWally on October 27, 2016, 07:39:17 PM
That ad hominem argument though.
I don't think you know what that means.
Quote from: Pakuni on October 27, 2016, 09:05:21 PM
I don't think you know what that means.
Insulting the person instead of the argument they make.
"People who get all their news from Fox News
probably shouldn't mock others for seeking "safe spaces."
Seems like a pretty easy case.
Quote from: houwarrior on October 27, 2016, 03:47:12 PM
You missed some history here.
Prior to the 70s the term was Miss for the unmarried female and Mrs. for the married.
"Ms."... fixed the problem,
Ms. was newly invented to cover both. It remains proper/preferred to refer to any female with the Ms. connotation as it applies regardless of marital status...ie
Ms. is the equivalent of Mr. and is the permanent cure for the historical female marital status monikers you have referenced.
Please revise your TAMU Title IX handbook accordingly. lol
I actually didn't know that. I appreciate the share. Unfortunately, Ms. may have certainly intended to have fix the problem but it didn't. People still associate Ms. with unmarried and Mrs. with married without a similar switch for men. Now I still go by mister and if someone introduces themselves as ms. or mrs. I absolutely acknowledge them by those names. But I don't think it hurts to discuss the societal implications of these types of things.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 27, 2016, 03:05:54 PM
well, here we go-northern colorado univ. mandates "free speech" that ain't so free, 'ey?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/10/27/univ-northern-colorado-students-forced-to-use-mandatory-gender-neutral-language.html
This is an interesting story...though the title and your post are a bit misleading. I also would love to read the syllabus for myself to see how "mandated" it actually is. But if it is as the article leads it to be, it becomes a debate of free speech vs. academic freedom. Since it is a sociology class, I'd give some leeway. If an engineering professor started grading students on inclusive language, I'd be concerned. An interesting topic for sure.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on October 28, 2016, 02:19:55 AM
This is an interesting story...though the title and your post are a bit misleading. I also would love to read the syllabus for myself to see how "mandated" it actually is. But if it is as the article leads it to be, it becomes a debate of free speech vs. academic freedom. Since it is a sociology class, I'd give some leeway. If an engineering professor started grading students on inclusive language, I'd be concerned. An interesting topic for sure.
i've been known to use a little sarcasm in my posts from time to time, but at least you sniffed out some of the potential issues that could go wrong...quickly. in the big scheme of things, this seems to me to be more rabble rousing and wasted energy than educational. is this really going to lead to more respect? whenever something like this is MANDATED, it loses some of it's appeal and is looked at with a whole different lens
in a completely unrelated side note-did you see texas A & M made the news the other day-some chick(term probably won't fly in class) ran in to a cop car while trying to take a topless selfie for her main squeeze.
http://www.kbtx.com/content/news/Police-AM-student-slams-into-police-car-after-taking-Snapchat-photo-for-boyfriend-398886641.html
for entertainment purposes only-must our dads out there with daughters at college advise?
Quote from: #UnleashWally on October 27, 2016, 09:51:59 PM
Insulting the person instead of the argument they make.
"People who get all their news from Fox News probably shouldn't mock others for seeking "safe spaces."
Seems like a pretty easy case.
He made an argument? Pointing out inconsistency is a personal insult?
You've confirmed that you don't know what ad hominem means.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 28, 2016, 05:10:37 AM
i've been known to use a little sarcasm in my posts from time to time, but at least you sniffed out some of the potential issues that could go wrong...quickly. in the big scheme of things, this seems to me to be more rabble rousing and wasted energy than educational. is this really going to lead to more respect? whenever something like this is MANDATED, it loses some of it's appeal and is looked at with a whole different lens
as an incompletely unrelated side note-did you see texas A & M made the news the other day-some chick(term probably won't fly in class) ran in to a cop car while trying to take a topless selfie for her main squeeze.
http://www.kbtx.com/content/news/Police-AM-student-slams-into-police-car-after-taking-Snapchat-photo-for-boyfriend-398886641.html
for entertainment purposes only-must our dads out there with daughters at college advise?
Hadn't seen that one yet. Took off work today to go to my bachelor party. But that is Fing hilarious.
Congratulations! As our Jewish friends say, "Mazeltov"
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on October 28, 2016, 09:10:47 AM
Hadn't seen that one yet. Took off work today to go to my bachelor party. But that is Fing hilarious.
Are you sure she wasnt one of the "entertainers" heading to your bachelor party? lol
http://www.chron.com/news/local/article/Texas-A-M-student-arrested-after-hitting-police-10417357.php
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on October 28, 2016, 09:10:47 AM
Hadn't seen that one yet. Took off work today to go to my bachelor party. But that is Fing hilarious.
if you are well enough to read this today-congratulations! go aggies, 'ey?
Quote from: houwarrior on October 28, 2016, 05:16:39 PM
Are you sure she wasnt one of the "entertainers" heading to your bachelor party? lol
http://www.chron.com/news/local/article/Texas-A-M-student-arrested-after-hitting-police-10417357.php
Or da Mrs. TAMU Eagle ta be, hey?
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