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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: real chili 83 on September 18, 2016, 07:03:19 PM
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Any scoopers in the stadium?
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apparently they are either in the security line or looking for a food stand with product
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So you know why they used all that glass on the roof of US Bank Stadium? Because they didn't need it for a trophy case!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Bud Grant blowing that horn is just embarrassing.
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I sure do miss football. Any streams that won't kill my computer? All my accounts are location based and won't work here in the wonderful United Kingdom.
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Holy sh1t there is a singing dog doing the intro song!!!
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Holy sh1t there is a singing dog doing the intro song!!!
The Cities' Finest now that the purple dude kicked it.
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Bud Grant blowing that horn is just embarrassing.
Bud blowing anything is gonna be ugly.
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Dude was mugged
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I sure do miss football. Any streams that won't kill my computer? All my accounts are location based and won't work here in the wonderful United Kingdom.
For this game at least.
http://stream.nbcsports.com/snf/?pid=27063&referrer=http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/9/18/12929800/vikings-packers-2016-watch-live-online-sunday-night-football&cid=sbn (http://stream.nbcsports.com/snf/?pid=27063&referrer=http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/9/18/12929800/vikings-packers-2016-watch-live-online-sunday-night-football&cid=sbn)
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i think we all can agree that Collinsworth adds 0 original insight.
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i think we all can agree that Collinsworth adds 0 original insight.
10-4
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Good series for Bradford
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The first time I think I've ever gotten AP in a fantasy league and he pulling a disappearing act like Ladanian Tomlinson. Get it together AP...
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Bud Grant blowing that horn is just embarrassing.
Or is it Chris kluwe blowing bud grants horn?
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Bradford's hand really looked funky.
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The first time I think I've ever gotten AP in a fantasy league and he pulling a disappearing act like Ladanian Tomlinson. Get it together AP...
The line is sucking it up.
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i think we all can agree that Collinsworth adds 0 original insight.
Take him over aikman any day
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Packers receivers just aren't very good. Cobb was drafted in 2010 and no one else has come along that seems to be any good.
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Boring first half
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What's with the audio cutting out all game?
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Vikings suck
and tower you were right about the Lions.
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Why is Lacy still fat?
I thought he was on a diet.
He needs to get back on that Bama roid system.
(http://image.al.com/home/bama-media/width620/img/alabamafootball_impact/photo/12558565-mmmain.jpg)
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Packers receivers just aren't very good. Cobb was drafted in 2010 and no one else has come along that seems to be any good.
Rodgers is off also. He is trying to force to Nelson and isn't as accurate.
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I agree with this analysis.
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I guess you're allowed to jam receivers 10 yards downfield again.
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AP, Ruptured achilles???? Looked weird, not so much ankle as ankle and running into calf. Hope not.
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Vikes offense will be better without AP. No, I'm not joking.
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GB's best play is to throw into coverage and take a PI.
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Same problem as second half of last year, Pack receivers getting no separation at all. In a way, you can draw more DPI calls as an unintended consequence, but long term, it's not a winning formula.
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Vikes offense will be better without AP. No, I'm not joking.
Well its a knee injury and with them needing to carry him off, that's not a good sign. I guess better than an achilles injury, but not good.
The only good possible side. They said they were looking at the outside lower part of the knee. If that is indeed where the injury is, it would be an MCL injury, which has a shorter recovery timeline.
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Rodgers is so good, he's kept the Pack in this game.
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Maybe the Packers can leave Randall 1 on 1 with Diggs some more.
You don't want to give up 15 yards, but good for Tretter. That was bush.
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Hey old guy on the park bench. Peyton did work as long as he could...
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Oops
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Could really use that field goal we chose to run Starks (not Lacy) into the middle of the line on 4th and 1.
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Ugly game.
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Ugly game.
Games in general have been uglier this year. I think people resting starters during pre-season is showing.
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Oops
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Skol!
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Skol Vikings!! The Consensus is ready-2-repeat. What a gr8 Bradford trade!! Super Bowl, homeboy!!
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Bradford outplayed Rodgers, and by quite a bit.
On the game-clinching interception by Waynes, Rodgers threw the ball to the inside instead of to the outside, where Adams could have caught it. Plus multiple fumbles, including a very costly one late. Plus several other poorly thrown passes.
I'm not saying Bradford is better than Rodgers, or that Rodgers is bad. I'm just saying that Rodgers wasn't great in this game, and when the Packers really needed him to come through as he so often has done, he instead did his best Cutler imitation.
Meanwhile, I was quite impressed with Bradford's composure and his ability to throw accurately even as he was about to take some pretty big hits.
My Panthers get the Vikings next. It will be interesting to see how my lads attack him.
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As a Minnesotan, I'm always pleased with a win over GB. The team will likely make the playoffs, but let's not fool ourselves.
This year will be the 29th post-season appearance for the Vikings that ends in a big, fat L.
Same movie, different year.
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Rodgers wasn't good. But the lack of development of any receivers since Cobb was drafted, and I would call him "above average" at best, is most concerning. Adams is blah. Montgomery is nowhere. And who else?
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Rodgers was bad. The WRs are bad. But how are we still trying to run the same offense we ran with a healthy Jordy and a healthy Jermichael like 5 years ago? Does anyone really think Julian Edelman, Danny Amendola, and Aaron Dobson are some world beating wide receivers? And Jimmy Garoppolo some Tom Brady 2.0? Heck no. But they still go on the road and beat AZ and then win a close one with their 3rd string QB in there. Why? Because Bellichick realizes, hey, if a defense is going to just sit 10 yards off the line cool. I'll let Brady take the snap and hit one of the two tiny receivers we have and if they make a guy miss then we get some extra yards, but if not I'll just chip away 7 yards at a time all the way down the field. And then when the defense moves up I'll take my shot down the seam with Gronk.
Meanwhile the Pack will continue to run stretch plays that take 8 seconds to develop in the backfield for -1 on 1st and 1st down, a play action bomb on 2nd down to a 75% healthy Jordy or a no-hands Davante, and then a little out route on 3rd down to the chains that the DB just sits on. Every single drive of every game.
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I don't think there is a problem with the scheme and design of the offense. I mean this offense was setting records just a couple seasons ago. I think the problem is with the personnel, especially at the receiver and running back positions.
I'm sorry but James Starks is 30 years old. You can't find a better back up running back?
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I'll put this another way. Randall Cobb was drafted in 2011.
In the five drafts since, the Packers have drafted ONE impact player on offense. Eddie Lacy. (And even he unexpectedly fell to them.) No one else has made a significant impact.
Here is a list of the receivers and backs drafted from 2011 onward:
2011:
1. Cobb (Good)
3. Alex Green - RB (Bust)
5. DJ Williams - TE (Bust)
7. Ryan Taylor - TE (Serviceable)
2012:
No one.
2013:
2. Eddie Lacy (Good)
4. Johnathan Franklin (Bust)
7. Charles Johnson (Bad)
7. Keven Dorsey (Bad)
2014:
2. Davante Adams (Average)
3. Richard Rodgers (Average)
5. Jared Abbredaris (Hurt, but can't get on the field)
7. Jeff Janies (Healthy but only special teams)
2015:
3. Ty Montgomery (hurt last year, showed flashes)
6. Kennard Backman (Who?)
Just a woeful job putting weapons around Rogers.
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I'll put this another way. Randall Cobb was drafted in 2011.
In the five drafts since, the Packers have drafted ONE impact player on offense. Eddie Lacy. (And even he unexpectedly fell to them.) No one else has made a significant impact.
Here is a list of the receivers and backs drafted from 2011 onward:
2011:
1. Cobb (Good)
3. Alex Green - RB (Bust)
5. DJ Williams - TE (Bust)
7. Ryan Taylor - TE (Serviceable)
2012:
No one.
2013:
2. Eddie Lacy (Good)
4. Johnathan Franklin (Bust)
7. Charles Johnson (Bad)
7. Keven Dorsey (Bad)
2014:
2. Davante Adams (Average)
3. Richard Rodgers (Average)
5. Jared Abbredaris (Hurt, but can't get on the field)
7. Jeff Janies (Healthy but only special teams)
2015:
3. Ty Montgomery (hurt last year, showed flashes)
6. Kennard Backman (Who?)
Just a woeful job putting weapons around Rogers.
Can 4th and 5th Rounders really be considered busts? Perhaps the Packers thought Rodgers was good enough to make those around him better.
Obviously that last comment was tongue in cheek. I just enjoy seeing GB fans go down the same road (no weapons, bad play-calling, etc) that they dismissed for so long in regards to the Bears. Not necessarily you, Sultan, but others on this board and elsewhere.
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Can 4th and 5th Rounders really be considered busts? Perhaps the Packers thought Rodgers was good enough to make those around him better.
Obviously that last comment was tongue in cheek. I just enjoy seeing GB fans go down the same road (no weapons, bad play-calling, etc) that they dismissed for so long in regards to the Bears. Not necessarily you, Sultan, but others on this board and elsewhere.
Anyone who follows the Packers knows that Ted would NEVER allow that to happen.
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To be honest I think Thompson felt that he had to do a bunch to shore up the defensive side of the ball. Also he has done well in drafting linemen.
But to answer your question, I do think that between the coaching staff and Rodgers, that they they could "coach people up" and develop them into weapons. But it just hasn't happened. And to be fair, I think Rodgers has slipped too. He's obviously still very good, but this isn't the same guy as he was four or five years ago.
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I'll put this another way. Randall Cobb was drafted in 2011.
In the five drafts since, the Packers have drafted ONE impact player on offense. Eddie Lacy. (And even he unexpectedly fell to them.) No one else has made a significant impact.
Here is a list of the receivers and backs drafted from 2011 onward:
2011:
1. Cobb (Good)
3. Alex Green - RB (Bust)
5. DJ Williams - TE (Bust)
7. Ryan Taylor - TE (Serviceable)
2012:
No one.
2013:
2. Eddie Lacy (Good)
4. Johnathan Franklin (Bust)
7. Charles Johnson (Bad)
7. Keven Dorsey (Bad)
2014:
2. Davante Adams (Average)
3. Richard Rodgers (Average)
5. Jared Abbredaris (Hurt, but can't get on the field)
7. Jeff Janies (Healthy but only special teams)
2015:
3. Ty Montgomery (hurt last year, showed flashes)
6. Kennard Backman (Who?)
Just a woeful job putting weapons around Rogers.
I'm just glad the Packers passed on Kelvin Benjamin in 2014 and Devin Funchess in 2015 - two guys who will be stud receivers for my Panthers for years!
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I don't think there is a problem with the scheme and design of the offense. I mean this offense was setting records just a couple seasons ago. I think the problem is with the personnel, especially at the receiver and running back positions.
I'm sorry but James Starks is 30 years old. You can't find a better back up running back?
While talent might have something to do with it, I do think there are a lot of scheme issues. McCarthy is stubborn and convinced of his own genius. His schemes were successful when he was doing variations on typical west coast offense and was playing a consistent offense. He's now trying to be exotic (Cobb in the backfield, etc) and it doesn't really do anything. Additionally, he gets stubborn and refuses to adjust. It look until the mid-3rd quarter to start utilizing TEs across the middle of the formation on quick hitters to make the Vikings pay for disguised blitz/coverage packages at the line.
Minnesota has a great front 7, I think a lot of teams are going to struggle against them. I think Rodgers had one of his worst performances of the last 5 years and I think we are seeing the impact of the offense totally ignoring the pre-season. I think things will get better as the season progresses, but I want to go on record that McCarthy should be gone after this season.
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One qualm with that list, Sultan. Franklin suffered a career ending neck injury 12 games into his rookie year. Actually had a 100+ yard game that season. Showed some promise, but I think "bust" is a little harsh on him.
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Thank you. You are right. Alex Green also had injury issues as well.
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I think a lot of things have just caught up with the Packers over the last year, a combo of things. I think when McCarthy gave up the play calling, along with Nelson being gone, and Cobb & Adams not taking a step up in play, banged up o-line, have gotten them into a funk. Some of that has been "fixed", McCarthy/Nelson/healthy o-line, but it's taking them some time to get things back together.
Rodgers pocket awareness is uncanny, and while his accuracy may be slowly regressing, his ability to make plays that 95% of other QB's in the league can't make, makes them still dangerous.
They get a real nice quirk in the schedule now to help them out, be interesting to see how they are first week of November.
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I think a lot of things have just caught up with the Packers over the last year, a combo of things. I think when McCarthy gave up the play calling, along with Nelson being gone, and Cobb & Adams not taking a step up in play, banged up o-line, have gotten them into a funk. Some of that has been "fixed", McCarthy/Nelson/healthy o-line, but it's taking them some time to get things back together.
Rodgers pocket awareness is uncanny, and while his accuracy may be slowly regressing, his ability to make plays that 95% of other QB's in the league can't make, makes them still dangerous.
They get a real nice quirk in the schedule now to help them out, be interesting to see how they are first week of November.
I will say that I think the scheme has changed in the last few years away from timing based offense to a discretionary(skill players read and react to the defense) which is less tolerable of mis-alignment. You saw it last night, Adams is a terrible route runner and several times Rodgers threw the ball where he should have been instead of where he ended up being. Take the long PI that set-up first and goal on the 3 in the 1st half. Adams ran an ok route then slowed up and had to reaccelerate to get to the ball, but it allowed the defender to catch up on what otherwise would have a walk-in touchdown....just bailed Adams out by mauling him. Same happened on a couple of out and ups on the sidelines.
I do think Rodgers has lost a touch on his accuracy(or at least doesn't trust it like he did), but I also think the receivers are getting to where they are suppose to or at least aren't reading the same things as Rodgers. A lot of this has to do with the fact that we are trying to avoid the pre-season at all costs so nobody is really ready when the regular season starts.
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I don't think there is a problem with the scheme and design of the offense. I mean this offense was setting records just a couple seasons ago. I think the problem is with the personnel, especially at the receiver and running back positions.
I'm sorry but James Starks is 30 years old. You can't find a better back up running back?
OK, I still think the basic problem is personnel, but this article leads me to believe that creativity is also an issue.
http://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/33509/mike-mccarthy-predictable-packers-struggle-through-same-offensive-issues
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Ted would never do this but it'd be great to see the Red Skins start 0-4 and trade a 4th round draft pick for Desean Jackson (contract expires after this year).
My other problem is that I think McCarthy has heard people saying he's way too conservative and is now trying to prove, "Hey, I have some balls, I'm going to show you I'm not scared to take a chance," but he really doesn't know what it truly means to step on a team's throat. Running out of the gun straight into the middle of the line with Starks on 4th and 1 in the 3rd quarter of a defensive battle while down 3 points on the road is not stepping on an opponent's throat. Being up by 9 and having 4th and goal 18 inches from the goal line and punching it in with Lacy is stepping on a team's throat. It's putting the game away.
In a 10-7 game in the 3rd, getting 3 points is a huge difference in the game. In a 16-7 game in the 3rd quarter, getting 3 points doesn't do a whole lot for you. It's a 2 possession game either way. Getting 6 makes it a 3 possession game and makes it more or less impossible to make a 3 minute comeback at the end of a game.
There's a time and a place to take the points, and a time and a place to get greedy. McCarthy doesn't know when to do which.
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Bud blowing anything is gonna be ugly.
Be nice to Bud. He's a cheesehead originally from Superior.
Lives near the thriving metropolis of Gordon now.
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Be nice to Bud. He's a cheesehead originally from Superior.
Lives near the thriving metropolis of Gordon now.
Simms Lake.