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Title: Possible Fun offseason idea!
Post by: Galway Eagle on September 01, 2016, 10:07:03 AM: So with there not being a meme tournament this year we've obviously had some odd topics and things have been slow. So I was thinking what if we did a tournament of every MU postseason team (or at least the top 30 with a couple play in nit teams) I'll seed them, try to do a write up and we can vote and see how it plays out.

Thoughts? Just trying to give us something exciting to do till madness!
Title: Re: Possible Fun offseason idea!
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 01, 2016, 10:24:02 AM: If you build it they will come.
Title: Re: Possible Fun offseason idea!
Post by: Jay Bee on September 01, 2016, 10:28:19 AM: Quote from: TAMU Eagle on September 01, 2016, 10:24:02 AM
If you build it they will come.

Gross
Title: Re: Possible Fun offseason idea!
Post by: T-Bone on September 01, 2016, 11:23:18 AM: You can run this on whatifsports.com. I'd do a best of 3, given these results.

For example

WhatIfSports.com: NCAA Basketball Boxscore

FINAL
15-16 Marquette         68
76-77 Marquette         66

VISITING TEAM: 15-16 Marquette
PLAYER    MIN    FGM/FGA    3PT
FGM/FGA    FTM/FTA    REB    AST    BLK    STL    TO    PF    TP
Haanif Cheatham    34    3/8    0/1    4/4    4    5    0    1    2    1    10
JaJuan Johnson    33    2/10    0/4    2/4    6    4    0    2    0    3    6
Henry Ellenson    29    7/14    0/3    4/5    9    2    1    0    2    3    18
Duane Wilson    28    6/14    2/7    3/4    3    1    0    1    3    2    17
Luke Fischer    28    5/6    0/0    1/3    7    0    0    1    1    1    11
Traci Carter    22    2/5    0/0    0/0    3    3    0    3    2    2    4
Wally Ellenson    13    1/2    0/1    0/2    4    0    0    0    0    0    2
Sandy Cohen III    7    0/1    0/1    0/2    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
Matt Heldt    6    0/0    0/0    0/0    3    0    0    0    1    1    0
TOTALS    200    26/60    2/17    14/24    39    15    1    8    11    13    68
        43.3%    11.8%    58.3%

HOME TEAM: 76-77 Marquette
PLAYER    MIN    FGM/FGA    3PT
FGM/FGA    FTM/FTA    REB    AST    BLK    STL    TO    PF    TP
Butch Lee    36    10/21    0/0    3/4    1    2    0    1    3    1    23
Jerome Whitehead    34    4/9    0/0    2/2    10    1    0    0    2    3    10
Jimmy Boylan    26    3/6    0/0    0/0    2    6    0    1    1    2    6
Bo Ellis    26    4/8    0/0    2/2    6    1    1    1    0    5    10
Bill Neary    22    1/4    0/0    1/2    4    1    0    1    2    4    3
Bernard Toone    20    4/9    0/0    3/3    7    1    0    0    2    3    11
Gary Rosenburger    17    0/2    0/0    0/0    1    3    0    1    1    1    0
Ulice Payne    12    0/1    0/0    0/0    4    1    0    0    0    1    0
Jim Dudley    7    1/1    0/0    1/1    3    0    0    1    1    0    3
TOTALS    200    27/61    0/0    12/14    38    16    1    6    12    20    66
        44.3%    0%    85.7%
Title: Re: Possible Fun offseason idea!
Post by: T-Bone on September 01, 2016, 11:24:43 AM: Not all years are available though...
Title: Re: Possible Fun offseason idea!
Post by: Badgerhater on September 01, 2016, 01:33:50 PM: Quote from: T-Bone on September 01, 2016, 11:23:18 AM
You can run this on whatifsports.com. I'd do a best of 3, given these results.

For example

WhatIfSports.com: NCAA Basketball Boxscore

FINAL
15-16 Marquette         68
76-77 Marquette         66

VISITING TEAM: 15-16 Marquette
PLAYER    MIN    FGM/FGA    3PT
FGM/FGA    FTM/FTA    REB    AST    BLK    STL    TO    PF    TP
Haanif Cheatham    34    3/8    0/1    4/4    4    5    0    1    2    1    10
JaJuan Johnson    33    2/10    0/4    2/4    6    4    0    2    0    3    6
Henry Ellenson    29    7/14    0/3    4/5    9    2    1    0    2    3    18
Duane Wilson    28    6/14    2/7    3/4    3    1    0    1    3    2    17
Luke Fischer    28    5/6    0/0    1/3    7    0    0    1    1    1    11
Traci Carter    22    2/5    0/0    0/0    3    3    0    3    2    2    4
Wally Ellenson    13    1/2    0/1    0/2    4    0    0    0    0    0    2
Sandy Cohen III    7    0/1    0/1    0/2    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
Matt Heldt    6    0/0    0/0    0/0    3    0    0    0    1    1    0
TOTALS    200    26/60    2/17    14/24    39    15    1    8    11    13    68
        43.3%    11.8%    58.3%

HOME TEAM: 76-77 Marquette
PLAYER    MIN    FGM/FGA    3PT
FGM/FGA    FTM/FTA    REB    AST    BLK    STL    TO    PF    TP
Butch Lee    36    10/21    0/0    3/4    1    2    0    1    3    1    23
Jerome Whitehead    34    4/9    0/0    2/2    10    1    0    0    2    3    10
Jimmy Boylan    26    3/6    0/0    0/0    2    6    0    1    1    2    6
Bo Ellis    26    4/8    0/0    2/2    6    1    1    1    0    5    10
Bill Neary    22    1/4    0/0    1/2    4    1    0    1    2    4    3
Bernard Toone    20    4/9    0/0    3/3    7    1    0    0    2    3    11
Gary Rosenburger    17    0/2    0/0    0/0    1    3    0    1    1    1    0
Ulice Payne    12    0/1    0/0    0/0    4    1    0    0    0    1    0
Jim Dudley    7    1/1    0/0    1/1    3    0    0    1    1    0    3
TOTALS    200    27/61    0/0    12/14    38    16    1    6    12    20    66
        44.3%    0%    85.7%

Quite the ringing endorsement for that site.
Title: Re: Possible Fun offseason idea!
Post by: barfolomew on September 01, 2016, 01:41:56 PM: Quote from: Badgerhater on September 01, 2016, 01:33:50 PM
Quite the ringing endorsement for that site.

I think you mean ringing endorsement of the 15-16 MU Team!!!
NATTY BANNER, HERE WE COME!!
Title: Re: Possible Fun offseason idea!
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on September 01, 2016, 02:01:15 PM: Quote from: T-Bone on September 01, 2016, 11:23:18 AM
You can run this on whatifsports.com. I'd do a best of 3, given these results.

For example

WhatIfSports.com: NCAA Basketball Boxscore

FINAL
15-16 Marquette         68
76-77 Marquette         66

VISITING TEAM: 15-16 Marquette
PLAYER    MIN    FGM/FGA    3PT
FGM/FGA    FTM/FTA    REB    AST    BLK    STL    TO    PF    TP
Haanif Cheatham    34    3/8    0/1    4/4    4    5    0    1    2    1    10
JaJuan Johnson    33    2/10    0/4    2/4    6    4    0    2    0    3    6
Henry Ellenson    29    7/14    0/3    4/5    9    2    1    0    2    3    18
Duane Wilson    28    6/14    2/7    3/4    3    1    0    1    3    2    17
Luke Fischer    28    5/6    0/0    1/3    7    0    0    1    1    1    11
Traci Carter    22    2/5    0/0    0/0    3    3    0    3    2    2    4
Wally Ellenson    13    1/2    0/1    0/2    4    0    0    0    0    0    2
Sandy Cohen III    7    0/1    0/1    0/2    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
Matt Heldt    6    0/0    0/0    0/0    3    0    0    0    1    1    0
TOTALS    200    26/60    2/17    14/24    39    15    1    8    11    13    68
        43.3%    11.8%    58.3%

HOME TEAM: 76-77 Marquette
PLAYER    MIN    FGM/FGA    3PT
FGM/FGA    FTM/FTA    REB    AST    BLK    STL    TO    PF    TP
Butch Lee    36    10/21    0/0    3/4    1    2    0    1    3    1    23
Jerome Whitehead    34    4/9    0/0    2/2    10    1    0    0    2    3    10
Jimmy Boylan    26    3/6    0/0    0/0    2    6    0    1    1    2    6
Bo Ellis    26    4/8    0/0    2/2    6    1    1    1    0    5    10
Bill Neary    22    1/4    0/0    1/2    4    1    0    1    2    4    3
Bernard Toone    20    4/9    0/0    3/3    7    1    0    0    2    3    11
Gary Rosenburger    17    0/2    0/0    0/0    1    3    0    1    1    1    0
Ulice Payne    12    0/1    0/0    0/0    4    1    0    0    0    1    0
Jim Dudley    7    1/1    0/0    1/1    3    0    0    1    1    0    3
TOTALS    200    27/61    0/0    12/14    38    16    1    6    12    20    66
        44.3%    0%    85.7%

This should forever put to rest the idea that Wojo doesn't give JJJ enough leash
Title: Re: Possible Fun offseason idea!
Post by: RushmoreAcademy on September 01, 2016, 02:14:12 PM: Quote from: T-Bone on September 01, 2016, 11:23:18 AM
You can run this on whatifsports.com. I'd do a best of 3, given these results.

For example

WhatIfSports.com: NCAA Basketball Boxscore

FINAL
15-16 Marquette         68
76-77 Marquette         66

VISITING TEAM: 15-16 Marquette
PLAYER    MIN    FGM/FGA    3PT
FGM/FGA    FTM/FTA    REB    AST    BLK    STL    TO    PF    TP
Haanif Cheatham    34    3/8    0/1    4/4    4    5    0    1    2    1    10
JaJuan Johnson    33    2/10    0/4    2/4    6    4    0    2    0    3    6
Henry Ellenson    29    7/14    0/3    4/5    9    2    1    0    2    3    18
Duane Wilson    28    6/14    2/7    3/4    3    1    0    1    3    2    17
Luke Fischer    28    5/6    0/0    1/3    7    0    0    1    1    1    11
Traci Carter    22    2/5    0/0    0/0    3    3    0    3    2    2    4
Wally Ellenson    13    1/2    0/1    0/2    4    0    0    0    0    0    2
Sandy Cohen III    7    0/1    0/1    0/2    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
Matt Heldt    6    0/0    0/0    0/0    3    0    0    0    1    1    0
TOTALS    200    26/60    2/17    14/24    39    15    1    8    11    13    68
        43.3%    11.8%    58.3%

HOME TEAM: 76-77 Marquette
PLAYER    MIN    FGM/FGA    3PT
FGM/FGA    FTM/FTA    REB    AST    BLK    STL    TO    PF    TP
Butch Lee    36    10/21    0/0    3/4    1    2    0    1    3    1    23
Jerome Whitehead    34    4/9    0/0    2/2    10    1    0    0    2    3    10
Jimmy Boylan    26    3/6    0/0    0/0    2    6    0    1    1    2    6
Bo Ellis    26    4/8    0/0    2/2    6    1    1    1    0    5    10
Bill Neary    22    1/4    0/0    1/2    4    1    0    1    2    4    3
Bernard Toone    20    4/9    0/0    3/3    7    1    0    0    2    3    11
Gary Rosenburger    17    0/2    0/0    0/0    1    3    0    1    1    1    0
Ulice Payne    12    0/1    0/0    0/0    4    1    0    0    0    1    0
Jim Dudley    7    1/1    0/0    1/1    3    0    0    1    1    0    3
TOTALS    200    27/61    0/0    12/14    38    16    1    6    12    20    66
        44.3%    0%    85.7%

Duane Wilson having himself a day and helping to knock off the champs.
Title: Re: Possible Fun offseason idea!
Post by: forgetful on September 01, 2016, 02:41:55 PM: Quote from: T-Bone on September 01, 2016, 11:23:18 AM
You can run this on whatifsports.com. I'd do a best of 3, given these results.

For example

WhatIfSports.com: NCAA Basketball Boxscore

FINAL
15-16 Marquette         68
76-77 Marquette         66

VISITING TEAM: 15-16 Marquette
PLAYER    MIN    FGM/FGA    3PT
FGM/FGA    FTM/FTA    REB    AST    BLK    STL    TO    PF    TP
Haanif Cheatham    34    3/8    0/1    4/4    4    5    0    1    2    1    10
JaJuan Johnson    33    2/10    0/4    2/4    6    4    0    2    0    3    6
Henry Ellenson    29    7/14    0/3    4/5    9    2    1    0    2    3    18
Duane Wilson    28    6/14    2/7    3/4    3    1    0    1    3    2    17
Luke Fischer    28    5/6    0/0    1/3    7    0    0    1    1    1    11
Traci Carter    22    2/5    0/0    0/0    3    3    0    3    2    2    4
Wally Ellenson    13    1/2    0/1    0/2    4    0    0    0    0    0    2
Sandy Cohen III    7    0/1    0/1    0/2    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
Matt Heldt    6    0/0    0/0    0/0    3    0    0    0    1    1    0
TOTALS    200    26/60    2/17    14/24    39    15    1    8    11    13    68
        43.3%    11.8%    58.3%

HOME TEAM: 76-77 Marquette
PLAYER    MIN    FGM/FGA    3PT
FGM/FGA    FTM/FTA    REB    AST    BLK    STL    TO    PF    TP
Butch Lee    36    10/21    0/0    3/4    1    2    0    1    3    1    23
Jerome Whitehead    34    4/9    0/0    2/2    10    1    0    0    2    3    10
Jimmy Boylan    26    3/6    0/0    0/0    2    6    0    1    1    2    6
Bo Ellis    26    4/8    0/0    2/2    6    1    1    1    0    5    10
Bill Neary    22    1/4    0/0    1/2    4    1    0    1    2    4    3
Bernard Toone    20    4/9    0/0    3/3    7    1    0    0    2    3    11
Gary Rosenburger    17    0/2    0/0    0/0    1    3    0    1    1    1    0
Ulice Payne    12    0/1    0/0    0/0    4    1    0    0    0    1    0
Jim Dudley    7    1/1    0/0    1/1    3    0    0    1    1    0    3
TOTALS    200    27/61    0/0    12/14    38    16    1    6    12    20    66
        44.3%    0%    85.7%

Wojo underperformed!!!!

More seriously, really can't compare many years. Even for years like 76-77 where there are statistics, 3-pt shooting didn't become a major component of the NCAA's to the late 80's early 90's.

All teams before then will suffer due to lower perceived eFG%.

Useless to use statistics to compare across decades.
Title: Re: Possible Fun offseason idea!
Post by: T-Bone on September 01, 2016, 03:37:09 PM: I also ran the Wade team vs last year, and the Wade team won a few simulations by 20 pts.
Title: Re: Possible Fun offseason idea!
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on September 01, 2016, 03:37:53 PM: Quote from: forgetful on September 01, 2016, 02:41:55 PM
Wojo underperformed!!!!

More seriously, really can't compare many years. Even for years like 76-77 where there are statistics, 3-pt shooting didn't become a major component of the NCAA's to the late 80's early 90's.

All teams before then will suffer due to lower perceived eFG%.

Useless to use statistics to compare across decades.

Also looks like the simulation gave the present day guys a 3 pt line, but not the 77 guys
Title: Re: Possible Fun offseason idea!
Post by: Jay Bee on September 01, 2016, 03:55:47 PM: 77 had a better FT%... how could they lose?!
Title: Re: Possible Fun offseason idea!
Post by: Lennys Tap on September 01, 2016, 04:13:39 PM: Not surprised that the 2015-16 team squeaked by the 1976-77 Warriors. Considering that Jerome Whitehead is dead and the rest of those guys are about 60 a two point loss seems like a fair estimate.
Title: Re: Possible Fun offseason idea!
Post by: forgetful on September 01, 2016, 04:26:33 PM: Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 01, 2016, 04:13:39 PM
Not surprised that the 2015-16 team squeaked by the 1976-77 Warriors. Considering that Jerome Whitehead is dead and the rest of those guys are about 60 a two point loss seems like a fair estimate.

I think you are underestimating who good Whitehead was in assuming that being in a grave would stop him from dominating the 15-16 folk.
Title: Re: Possible Fun offseason idea!
Post by: brewcity77 on September 01, 2016, 04:34:25 PM: Quote from: TSmith34 on September 01, 2016, 03:37:53 PM
Also looks like the simulation gave the present day guys a 3 pt line, but not the 77 guys

I noticed that, though with the new guys shooting 2/17 from beyond the arc, I'm not sure it really helped them.
Title: Re: Possible Fun offseason idea!
Post by: Galway Eagle on September 02, 2016, 01:00:53 AM: I'll take this to mean that nobody would like to see how this would play out. Ok :)
Title: Re: Possible Fun offseason idea!
Post by: brewcity77 on September 02, 2016, 06:46:57 AM: Quote from: TAMU Eagle on September 01, 2016, 10:24:02 AM
If you build it they will come.

This is the true answer. If you take the time to put it together and start posting game threads, you'll get interest. But you probably won't get people lining up to do the legwork for you.
Title: Re: Possible Fun offseason idea!
Post by: mu03eng on September 02, 2016, 07:30:00 AM: Quote from: brewcity77 on September 02, 2016, 06:46:57 AM
This is the true answer. If you take the time to put it together and start posting game threads, you'll get interest. But you probably won't get people lining up to do the legwork for you.

This is 100% true.
Title: Re: Possible Fun offseason idea!
Post by: Coleman on September 02, 2016, 11:03:33 AM: My vote...MU has appeared in the Sweet 16 exactly 16 times. Take all of these teams, and seed them based on the strength of the team (using primarily W-L or season RPI, if available), NOT their postseason performance (for example, the 1977 was NOT Al's best team, W-L wise).

Take a vote on each game to determine who would advance using the forum poll. Each poll can include a brief write-up on each team's season performance from the MUScoop wiki. Play the tournament all the way out until you have a winner.

Would be fun, and only a little bit of work.
Title: Re: Possible Fun offseason idea!
Post by: brewcity77 on September 02, 2016, 11:23:20 AM: Quote from: Coleman on September 02, 2016, 11:03:33 AM
My vote...MU has appeared in the Sweet 16 exactly 16 times. Take all of these teams, and seed them based on the strength of the team (using primarily W-L or season RPI, if available), NOT their postseason performance (for example, the 1977 was NOT Al's best team, W-L wise).

Take a vote on each game to determine who would advance using the forum poll. Each poll can include a brief write-up on each team's season performance from the MUScoop wiki. Play the tournament all the way out until you have a winner.

Would be fun, and only a little bit of work.

Good idea, though I'd feel sorry for the 1970 NIT champs being left out. But of someone put this together, it'd garner interest.
Title: Re: Possible Fun offseason idea!
Post by: Galway Eagle on September 02, 2016, 11:50:26 AM: I'll do it, not sure I'm just gonna do the sweet 16 teams because there's certain teams that are phenomenal that would get left out for example id like to see public vote on 08-09 vs say 10-11. Sure 2011 got hot but 2009 was by far the better team.

I'll start this after work and hopefully have the first round launch tomorrow or Monday
Title: Re: Possible Fun offseason idea!
Post by: Coleman on September 02, 2016, 12:29:41 PM: Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on September 02, 2016, 11:50:26 AM
I'll do it, not sure I'm just gonna do the sweet 16 teams because there's certain teams that are phenomenal that would get left out for example id like to see public vote on 08-09 vs say 10-11. Sure 2011 got hot but 2009 was by far the better team.

I'll start this after work and hopefully have the first round launch tomorrow or Monday

Yeah - and Brew made a good point about the 1970 team. Gotta draw the line somewhere though. Its your baby, include who you want. I just thought the 16 Sweet 16 teams worked well.
Title: Re: Possible Fun offseason idea!
Post by: Galway Eagle on September 02, 2016, 12:52:09 PM: Quote from: Coleman on September 02, 2016, 12:29:41 PM
Yeah - and Brew made a good point about the 1970 team. Gotta draw the line somewhere though. Its your baby, include who you want. I just thought the 16 Sweet 16 teams worked well.

Figuring that the 70 team was actually invited to the tournament so that's a perfect 32.
Title: Re: Possible Fun offseason idea!
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on September 02, 2016, 01:23:14 PM: I just hope the 2011-12 team is the highest seeded of all the late 2000 early 2010 teams. What's the ruling on injuries like Dom James in his senior year and Otule in 2011-12?
Title: Re: Possible Fun offseason idea!
Post by: Galway Eagle on September 02, 2016, 01:35:25 PM: Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on September 02, 2016, 01:23:14 PM
I just hope the 2011-12 team is the highest seeded of all the late 2000 early 2010 teams. What's the ruling on injuries like Dom James in his senior year and Otule in 2011-12?

Otule was injured on both those teams haha but I'd say we imagine them at their best
Title: Re: Possible Fun offseason idea!
Post by: brewcity77 on September 02, 2016, 03:26:58 PM: Quote from: Chitown4for4 on September 02, 2016, 01:23:14 PM
I just hope the 2011-12 team is the highest seeded of all the late 2000 early 2010 teams. What's the ruling on injuries like Dom James in his senior year and Otule in 2011-12?

Speaking for myself, I'd rate the James team very high. The two best teams of my Marquette watching life were that one and 2003. Which was better? Honestly not sure.