http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/06/03/upshot/up-college-unemployment-quiz.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0
"We asked: "The unemployment rate for 24-to-34-year-olds without a four-year college degree is 7 percent. What do you think it is for 25-to-34-year-olds with a four-year college degree?" More than half of the respondents thought that the jobless rate for college graduates was higher.
We were becoming convinced that this was a real misunderstanding, not a flaw in the surveys, each of which was run by Google, each with over 1,000 respondents. A report by the Pew Research Center found that the results from Google's surveys are typically quite similar to the results from Pew's telephone surveys."
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Here's the thing about college degrees...
There is some evidence that having a college degree doesn't guarantee a good job, but the alternative is much worse. Young people who have earned a college degree have substantially lower unemployment rates than those who haven't. Since 2000, young college graduates, on average, have an unemployment rate that is 5.5 percentage points lower than those of nongraduates. And this gap typically widens during recessions; it expanded to 10 percentage points at the depths of the Great Recession.
College graduates also make more money. A typical college graduate can expect to make over half a million dollars more than a nongraduate over a lifetime. Much of this has to do with differences in wage growth during the midcareer of a college graduate versus a nongraduate.
Take this test.
I scored 84%. According them I have a PhD.
http://offbeat.topix.com/quiz/16503?utm_source=taboola&utm_campaign=16503&tpx_term=NTA76CMONI17DIUM&cvar=tm1:i-4r3-3KO0E3FFSN39C668&utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=referral
Quote from: muwarrior69 on June 05, 2016, 02:50:07 PM
Take this test.
I scored 84%. According them I have a PhD.
http://offbeat.topix.com/quiz/16503?utm_source=taboola&utm_campaign=16503&tpx_term=NTA76CMONI17DIUM&cvar=tm1:i-4r3-3KO0E3FFSN39C668&utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=referral
I got a 91%. My PhD must be from a more prestigious university than yours.
I got 88%, My PhD.....Piled high, Deeper....needs some work. Literature always kills me in this stuff....aced everything else.
My son couldn't hack it in college. Really smart kid. Scored 30 on his ACT without studying one second for it. But he just didn't click in college and he has never gone back.
It worked for Gates, but not for my son. He is gainfully employed, but he is paid less than others his age who have 4-year degrees and are no smarter or harder-working than he is. Doesn't have health benefits, either.
He probably could get another job, with benefits, but has "comfort" with this boss, whom he likes.
Certainly, having the sheepskin would be helpful.
Good for your son MU82. Many ways to go about life, many paths...no guarantees with any of them.
College Loan Glut Worries Policy Makers
Massive investment in improving skills turns sour, echoes of housing crisis
June 5, 2016 3:01 p.m. ET
http://www.wsj.com/articles/college-loan-glut-worries-policy-makers-1465153138
The U.S. government over the last 15 years made a trillion-dollar investment to improve the nation's workforce, productivity and economy. A big portion of that investment has now turned toxic, with echoes of the housing crisis.
The investment was in "human capital," or, more specifically, higher education. The government helped finance tens of millions of tuitions as enrollment in U.S. colleges and graduate schools soared 24% from 2002 to 2012, rivaling the higher-education boom of the 1970s. Millions of others attended trade schools that award career certificates.
The government financed a large share of these educations through grants, low-interest loans and loan guarantees. Total outstanding student debt—almost all guaranteed or made directly by the federal government—has quadrupled since 2000 to $1.2 trillion today. The government also spent tens of billions of dollars in grants and tax credits for students.
New research shows a significant chunk of that investment backfired, with millions of students worse off for having gone to school. Many never learned new skills because they dropped out—and now carry debt they are unwilling or unable to repay. Policy makers worry that without a bigger intervention, those borrowers will become trapped for years and will ultimately hurt, rather than help, the nation's economy.
Quote from: Heisenberg on June 05, 2016, 08:18:52 PM
New research shows a significant chunk of that investment backfired, with millions of students worse off for having gone to school. Many never learned new skills because they dropped out—and now carry debt they are unwilling or unable to repay.
Place them in jail, with work release. They will work, pay off their debts, and receive three squares.
Quote from: Heisenberg on June 05, 2016, 08:18:52 PM
College Loan Glut Worries Policy Makers
Massive investment in improving skills turns sour, echoes of housing crisis
June 5, 2016 3:01 p.m. ET
http://www.wsj.com/articles/college-loan-glut-worries-policy-makers-1465153138
The U.S. government over the last 15 years made a trillion-dollar investment to improve the nation's workforce, productivity and economy. A big portion of that investment has now turned toxic, with echoes of the housing crisis.
The investment was in "human capital," or, more specifically, higher education. The government helped finance tens of millions of tuitions as enrollment in U.S. colleges and graduate schools soared 24% from 2002 to 2012, rivaling the higher-education boom of the 1970s. Millions of others attended trade schools that award career certificates.
The government financed a large share of these educations through grants, low-interest loans and loan guarantees. Total outstanding student debt—almost all guaranteed or made directly by the federal government—has quadrupled since 2000 to $1.2 trillion today. The government also spent tens of billions of dollars in grants and tax credits for students.
New research shows a significant chunk of that investment backfired, with millions of students worse off for having gone to school. Many never learned new skills because they dropped out—and now carry debt they are unwilling or unable to repay. Policy makers worry that without a bigger intervention, those borrowers will become trapped for years and will ultimately hurt, rather than help, the nation's economy.
Right. Cause they didn't finish.
Quote from: MU82 on June 05, 2016, 04:50:18 PM
My son couldn't hack it in college. Really smart kid. Scored 30 on his ACT without studying one second for it. But he just didn't click in college and he has never gone back.
It worked for Gates, but not for my son. He is gainfully employed, but he is paid less than others his age who have 4-year degrees and are no smarter or harder-working than he is. Doesn't have health benefits, either.
He probably could get another job, with benefits, but has "comfort" with this boss, whom he likes.
Certainly, having the sheepskin would be helpful.
my youngest wanted to follow my footsteps badly. smart kid, loved the sciences, understood them as he and i would study together. then he'd get a c or a bc. started spending more time, got tuders...now all his classes are hurting. switched to psych and business, got a job literally right as he received his diploma. he is presently out in your neck of the woods 82-he's a district manager for milwaukee tool living in raleigh and loving it. he still loves science
A college degree isn't as much of an assurance of good work as it once was, but no question you're generally better off with one.
I think the people who are worse off might have been more appropriately suited to a trade or technical school. My brother in law went to MATC for tool and die. I thought he was kind of stupid at the time, but he was smart enough to know a regular college wasn't his thing...and now he does better then many people I know with bachelors degrees.
A lot of these studies are flawed. Are you less likely to be unemployed if you get a college degree? Absolutely.
Are you going to have a job that requires a college degree? Not necessarily.
You can have both finished your college degree and been better off not getting one.
my daughter in law got a job with wells fargo-bank teller while she was going to college. before she got her degree, she was rising thru the ranks to her eventual position of bank manager. then, another bank recruited her from wells to become a manager for them and gave her 40% more. now she is dabbling with becoming the regional marketing manager and she still doesn't have her degree. and she is making 6 figures
at this point, i have encouraged her to try to finish the last few classes to get the "piece of paper", but i don't blame her if she wonders, why? look how far she has gotten without it. at some point, she may want to have something if she does have goals to move higher, i don't know at what point the companies will require it. but you cannot replace what she has learned on the job over the past 2 plus years with what the classroom could have provided
Quote from: warriorchick on June 05, 2016, 04:17:52 PM
I got a 91%. My PhD must be from a more prestigious university than yours.
Like Chicos those literature questions killed me. Well, if I got 84% on my tests at MU, that would be a C grade. As Al said, the country is run by C students.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on June 06, 2016, 04:53:34 AM
my daughter in law got a job with wells fargo-bank teller while she was going to college. before she got her degree, she was rising thru the ranks to her eventual position of bank manager. then, another bank recruited her from wells to become a manager for them and gave her 40% more. now she is dabbling with becoming the regional marketing manager and she still doesn't have her degree. and she is making 6 figures
at this point, i have encouraged her to try to finish the last few classes to get the "piece of paper", but i don't blame her if she wonders, why? look how far she has gotten without it. at some point, she may want to have something if she does have goals to move higher, i don't know at what point the companies will require it. but you cannot replace what she has learned on the job over the past 2 plus years with what the classroom could have provided
Same for my son-in-law who has a GED. He is a grocery store manager and makes six figures (due to a bonus every month based on sales). The down side is he puts in 14 hours a day and is on call when he is off. Retail is really tough theses days, but at least he gets the 5 holidays off: Memorial Day, the 4th, Labor Day, Thanksgiving and Christmas.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on June 05, 2016, 08:54:19 PM
A college degree isn't as much of an assurance of good work as it once was, but no question you're generally better off with one.
I think the people who are worse off might have been more appropriately suited to a trade or technical school. My brother in law went to MATC for tool and die. I thought he was kind of stupid at the time, but he was smart enough to know a regular college wasn't his thing...and now he does better then many people I know with bachelors degrees.
My plumber charges me more than my Physician or Dentist.
Sounds like typical political stuff with the usual cast of characters.
Thinly vailed agendas trying to avoid blatant political statements.
In the new world everything is now political.
The interesting thing about a college degree is that it can set you up for success if you were likely to be successful in the first place.
These are very anecdotal, of course, but I think they demonstrate what I mean.
My father is more of an engineer than I will ever be, but never got an engineering degree. In fact, he nearly failed out of school his first year when he started as an engineering student. Had to switch to a business degree. He went into the AF, eventually became his squadron's engineering office(totally unqualified) which lead to him taking program leads on several system developments and from there he went into the civilian defense contractor world. The man can explain in great detail how radar, night vision, and electronic counter measure systems work....probably better than the engineers themselves. He got his masters in systems management(business not technical). If you remove the work history there is zero to indicate he should be so technical, hell he was called in you consulting on the space shuttle as to whether or not they could make it NVG capable.
Then take me. I got my mechanical engineering degree, but haven't done anything mechanical engineering in a decade. I just just changed jobs, I was doing product management for devices that measure everything about electrical energy to now being a product manager for products that are cloud and big data related(none of which have anything to do with thermal analysis, etc). While I have a business focus in my roles I still have to be able to explain how everything works to sales/customers as well as have an educated conversation with the engineers so they understand what the market requirements are. There is nothing in my educational background that says I should be able to do what I'm doing(I did get my MBA but that's more box checking then anything truly valuable, IMO).
IMO, the college degree is giving you a foundation for curiosity and critical thinking, anything beyond that is gravy. There will absolutely be some areas (research) where the details of the college education will be more important, but I think the majority of the time it is just to separate the chaff from the wheat and prepare students to be adults
Quote from: muwarrior69 on June 06, 2016, 06:02:18 AM
My plumber charges me more than my Physician or Dentist.
That's fooked up. Ya should find a plumber in yo plan. Dey all created equal. Just who can do it cheaper, ai na?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on June 06, 2016, 05:55:36 AM
Same for my son-in-law who has a GED. He is a grocery store manager and makes six figures (due to a bonus every month based on sales). The down side is he puts in 14 hours a day and is on call when he is off. Retail is really tough theses days, but at least he gets the 5 holidays off: Memorial Day, the 4th, Labor Day, Thanksgiving and Christmas.
I have a PhD from an Ivy league school. I'm a professor at a prestigious University. I work 14 hours a day and rarely get a day off. I don't make six figures with my base salary.
Quote from: forgetful on June 06, 2016, 10:01:25 AM
I have a PhD from an Ivy league school. I'm a professor at a prestigious University. I work 14 hours a day and rarely get a day off. I don't make six figures with my base salary.
Regarding your current situation:
1. Did you ever anticipate that this would be the norm when you started going down the PhD path?
2. Did anyone at your doctoral institution tell you that this would (or might) be the norm?
3. Did you have much loftier expectations as to what your situation might be at this point? If so, do you find these expectations to be unreasonable and/or not achievable in retrospect?
4. If you could do it over again, would you? If not, what would you do differently if you
had to do it over again?
I don't want to taint your responses, so I'll just say that I know someone else who's in a not-so-dissimilar situation... and I'm curious as to what parallels may exist.
Quote from: Benny B on June 06, 2016, 10:55:40 AM
Regarding your current situation:
1. Did you ever anticipate that this would be the norm when you started going down the PhD path?
2. Did anyone at your doctoral institution tell you that this would (or might) be the norm?
3. Did you have much loftier expectations as to what your situation might be at this point? If so, do you find these expectations to be unreasonable and/or not achievable in retrospect?
4. If you could do it over again, would you? If not, what would you do differently if you had to do it over again?
I don't want to taint your responses, so I'll just say that I know someone else who's in a not-so-dissimilar situation... and I'm curious as to what parallels may exist.
I knew this would be the situation and would likely do it again.
The only reason I say likely is because I was unaware of how corporatized Academia would become. This is a new result, makes Universities absurdly inefficient and alters salary structures to favor the "CEOs".
I really didn't mean to come off as complaining, rather to highlight how actually well off the Grocery Manager/Bank Manager have it.
I would also argue that those business salaries are way too inflated. It doesn't not require any skill or education.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on June 05, 2016, 02:50:07 PM
Take this test.
I scored 84%. According them I have a PhD.
http://offbeat.topix.com/quiz/16503?utm_source=taboola&utm_campaign=16503&tpx_term=NTA76CMONI17DIUM&cvar=tm1:i-4r3-3KO0E3FFSN39C668&utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=referral
Only got an 86%, what the unnatural carnal knowledge with the Shakespeare questions?
Quote from: PTM on June 06, 2016, 12:51:02 PM
Only got an 86%, what the unnatural carnal knowledge with the Shakespeare questions?
So, I am the smartest Scooper so far?
Whoda thunk it? ;D
Quote from: warriorchick on June 06, 2016, 01:14:37 PM
So, I am the smartest Scooper so far?
Whoda thunk it? ;D
I was 64/68 (94%) when the site crashed on me at lunch today. Not going to take it again because it took forever with my company's bandwidth and now that I know the answers it wouldn't be fair, so give me 64/70 (91%) or a tie. Full disclosure, I got 4 or 5 of the questions right not because I knew the right answer, but because I knew the other choices were not the correct answer. I think I would have gotten over 80% just on stuff I learned by the end of high school (math, literature, geography, history, bible) or from movies, so not sure about their methodology.
70 effin questions on some dumb internet site to determine "how educated you are"?!?!?!?
One might say those who completed the 70 questions ain't da brightest, a''ina?
Quote from: forgetful on June 06, 2016, 12:46:38 PM
I knew this would be the situation and would likely do it again.
The only reason I say likely is because I was unaware of how corporatized Academia would become. This is a new result, makes Universities absurdly inefficient and alters salary structures to favor the "CEOs".
I really didn't mean to come off as complaining, rather to highlight how actually well off the Grocery Manager/Bank Manager have it.
I would also argue that those business salaries are way too inflated. It doesn't not require any skill or education.
My son-in-law works for a grocery store chain that serves low income neighborhoods. Most of his customers speak primarily spanish so it helps to be bi-lingual. To be a store manager you have to have good communication and interpersonal skills, especially if you want your customers to come back. He is also responsible for inventory ( ex. making sure no items are past their expiration date on the shelves) and he does a lot of the heavy lifting (stocking shelves) as well as cleaning out the restrooms. He has only 7 employees and to make the store successful they really have to work together as a team requiring good leadership skills. I guess his company thinks he is worth every penny they pay him even though he may have "little" skill or education. Just because you don't have fancy letters after your name does not mean you have no value. I thought you were in favor of a living wage?
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 06, 2016, 01:46:50 PM
70 effin questions on some dumb internet site to determine "how educated you are"?!?!?!?
One might say those who completed the 70 questions ain't da brightest, a''ina?
You're right, had I known there were 70 questions when it started, I wouldn't have done it. I kept thinking it was going to end soon and when they got to question 50 I noticed a note at the bottom that said only 20 more questions to go. So I figured I invested that much time, I may as well finish. The fact that I have retained a lot of useless information does not make me particularly bright, unfortunately.
Quote from: warriorchick on June 06, 2016, 01:14:37 PM
So, I am the smartest Scooper so far?
Whoda thunk it? ;D
Certainly the best looking too.
Quote from: warriorchick on June 06, 2016, 01:14:37 PM
So, I am the smartest Scooper so far?
Whoda thunk it? ;D
Have to give CT Warrior the gold (he wouldn't have missed both questions 69 and 70). For now, anyway, you and I are tied for second with 91%. I freely admit to several educated and some lucky guesses but I missed a couple of bunnies late (I'm old and lose concentration). 70 questions is at least 20 too many.
Quote from: forgetful on June 06, 2016, 12:46:38 PM
I knew this would be the situation and would likely do it again.
The only reason I say likely is because I was unaware of how corporatized Academia would become. This is a new result, makes Universities absurdly inefficient and alters salary structures to favor the "CEOs".
I really didn't mean to come off as complaining, rather to highlight how actually well off the Grocery Manager/Bank Manager have it.
I would also argue that those business salaries are way too inflated. It doesn't not require any skill or education.
I'm sure you don't mean it to but this "I'm smarter and work harder than anyone else but I'm held back by unfair system" rap comes across as a bit whiny.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on June 06, 2016, 02:26:10 PM
Certainly the best looking too.
Not sure ya can PC say dat anymore, 69 ai na?
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 06, 2016, 01:46:50 PM
70 effin questions on some dumb internet site to determine "how educated you are"?!?!?!?
One might say those who completed the 70 questions ain't da brightest, a''ina?
Doesn't happen often, but we agree on this.
I have little doubt I would score higher on the test than most- I tend to do great at facts and trivia - but that still doesn't mean I am anything more than a functional idiot.
I looked at the first half dozen questions and it would be embarrassing for college graduates to be unable to answer these.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 06, 2016, 03:00:46 PM
I'm sure you don't mean it to but this "I'm smarter and work harder than anyone else but I'm held back by unfair system" rap comes across as a bit whiny.
I'm honestly not sure how your read that into my statement. I never said I was held back; I actually said I knew this would be the case and did it anyway.
I only complained about the corporatization that makes Universities absurdly inefficient. That is a fact. I recommend you read "Fall of the Faculty"...great book.
Also, no where did I say that I am smarter than anyone else. I said that being a bank manager/Grocery manager requires no skill or education.
Again that is a fact, since they do not require any degree to obtain the job. You cannot be a tenure-track faculty member without a PhD or equivalent; it is not allowed.
If I had wanted the "store manager/bank manager" type career and salary I would have taken it. I was offered a store manager position at a national company at 19. I turned it down, because I would have been unhappy with the job long term. Still glad I turned it down even though I'd be making far more money.
I'm sorry my statement came of as whiny or complaining; it wasn't the point. The point was that education and job salary are not necessarily correlated.
Quote from: forgetful on June 06, 2016, 04:27:58 PM
I'm honestly not sure how your read that into my statement. I never said I was held back; I actually said I knew this would be the case and did it anyway.
I only complained about the corporatization that makes Universities absurdly inefficient. That is a fact. I recommend you read "Fall of the Faculty"...great book.
Also, no where did I say that I am smarter than anyone else. I said that being a bank manager/Grocery manager requires no skill or education.
Again that is a fact, since they do not require any degree to obtain the job. You cannot be a tenure-track faculty member without a PhD or equivalent; it is not allowed.
If I had wanted the "store manager/bank manager" type career and salary I would have taken it. I was offered a store manager position at a national company at 19. I turned it down, because I would have been unhappy with the job long term. Still glad I turned it down even though I'd be making far more money.
I'm sorry my statement came of as whiny or complaining; it wasn't the point. The point was that education and job salary value are not necessarily correlated.
Corrected.
Quote from: forgetful on June 06, 2016, 12:46:38 PM
I knew this would be the situation and would likely do it again.
The only reason I say likely is because I was unaware of how corporatized Academia would become. This is a new result, makes Universities absurdly inefficient and alters salary structures to favor the "CEOs".
I really didn't mean to come off as complaining, rather to highlight how actually well off the Grocery Manager/Bank Manager have it.
I would also argue that those business salaries are way too inflated. It doesn't not require any skill or education.
At least people were honest with you and/or you were honest with yourself. My friend basically feels like she was sold a bag of goods and is pretty much stuck in the assistant professor "dead-zone" where she has too much experience to justify re-starting her career at entry-level but not enough experience to move laterally into a consulting or private-sector job. She's been published several times and feels like she's "paid her dues," but figured that 15 years in she'd be at the point where her workload wasn't increasing every year.
I haven't even looked at that test.
I hated tests when I was in elementary school. I hated them more when I was in high school. And I hated them most when I was at Marquette.
Why should I take one now for "fun"?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 06, 2016, 09:41:36 AM
That's fooked up. Ya should find a plumber in yo plan. Dey all created equal. Just who can do it cheaper, ai na?
Yeah, but at least our patients ain't seeing no "crack of dawn" when we're rearin back for that little extra tug on da wisdom tooth der hey ein'er so 4EW?
Quote from: rocket surgeon on June 06, 2016, 09:22:35 PM
Yeah, but at least our patients ain't seeing no "crack of dawn" when we're rearin back for that little extra tug on da wisdom tooth der hey ein'er so 4EW?
This is harder to translate than an emoji text from a millennial ;D
Quote from: mu03eng on June 07, 2016, 08:01:17 AM
This is harder to translate than an emoji text from a millennial ;D
i responded to 4ever's post about plumbers-if patient has to see the docs arse crack while workin on them, something ain't right. how does that one plumbers ad go? if the plumber stinks, the work is free? great marketing right there ein'er? i would think that should apply to most professions...at least for starters.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on June 07, 2016, 11:20:18 AM
i responded to 4ever's post about plumbers-if patient has to see the docs arse crack while workin on them, something ain't right. how does that one plumbers ad go? if the plumber stinks, the work is free? great marketing right there ein'er? i would think that should apply to most professions...at least for starters.
Nobody has need for plumbers more than dentists. A dental office is a virtual Niagara falls.
Anyone interested in some enlightening and slightly more nuanced source material for these articles.... MacArthur Genius Grant winner and Nobel-Likely Kevin Murphy on income inequality and education gaps. Really interesting and a more complete picture.
https://youtu.be/KevV_A6N-6o
Quote from: vogue65 on June 08, 2016, 05:10:33 PM
Nobody has need for plumbers more than dentists. A dental office is a virtual Niagara falls.
we've become "self-made" amateur plumbers because of this. saves a lot of money. now, if they would send in plumbers that looked like this, i'm springing leaks on a daily basis AND she gets a discount for me to check the tonsils, a tick check AND just to show my support for the susan b koman foundation, a free chesticle exam-gotta nip this stuff in the bud, heyheyheyn'a? just doing my part ::)
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Quote from: rocket surgeon on June 13, 2016, 05:21:11 AM
we've become "self-made" amateur plumbers because of this. saves a lot of money. now, if they would send in plumbers that looked like this, i'm springing leaks on a daily basis AND she gets a discount for me to check the tonsils, a tick check AND just to show my support for the susan b koman foundation, a free chesticle exam-gotta nip this stuff in the bud, heyheyheyn'a? just doing my part ::)
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How are you checking her tonsils?
Quote from: rocket surgeon on June 13, 2016, 05:21:11 AM
we've become "self-made" amateur plumbers because of this. saves a lot of money. now, if they would send in plumbers that looked like this, i'm springing leaks on a daily basis AND she gets a discount for me to check the tonsils, a tick check AND just to show my support for the susan b koman foundation, a free chesticle exam-gotta nip this stuff in the bud, heyheyheyn'a? just doing my part ::)
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSPrNWLWLOE1IVtb6-OM8GVo1lnqEW9073NSpTNyVtuoSPX1LQp)
Jesus
Seriously ... a chart to answer why a College degree more valuable than people realize
Education trumps technology. Got to get getting smarter as your job is changing and being eliminated by robots and computers. Stay ahead of the curve.
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Quote from: Heisenberg on June 14, 2016, 08:01:15 AM
Seriously ... a chart to answer why a College degree more valuable than people realize
Education trumps technology. Got to get getting smarter as your job is changing and being eliminated by robots and computers. Stay ahead of the curve.
(https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/i_lPaivmsDvI/v2/-1x-1.png)
hey! heisy! great to see you, keefe, 4ever and a few others survived the "purge" welcome to da good ole boys club now der ein'er?
Quote from: forgetful on June 06, 2016, 12:46:38 PM
I knew this would be the situation and would likely do it again.
The only reason I say likely is because I was unaware of how corporatized Academia would become. This is a new result, makes Universities absurdly inefficient and alters salary structures to favor the "CEOs".
I really didn't mean to come off as complaining, rather to highlight how actually well off the Grocery Manager/Bank Manager have it.
I would also argue that those business salaries are way too inflated. It doesn't not require any skill or education.
What a pompous windbag.
"I really didn't mean to come off as complaining, rather to highlight how actually well off the Grocery Manager/Bank Manager have it.
I would also argue that those business salaries are way too inflated. It doesn't not require any skill or education."
forgetful
are you serious? my son graduated from MU in 09. started out with wells fargo as a BANK TELLER. yes you read that right. a bank teller with a degree in business and finance; worked his ass off, many hours, weekends, etc. he is now the district manager for milwaukee to port washington to pewaukee. he is being paid what he feels is fair. he could get more from a competitor, but has forged relationships both political and business within the power structure that are far more valuable as he can continue to move up. "no skill or education"?? tell that to wells fargo-hire someone without a GED once. as a matter of fact, during his first group interview, one of the applicants couldn't understand how you needed money in an account in order to use a debit card...and she was edumacated
you forgetful, as a teacher/professor, should be proud of the fact that this is what you guys can turn out. most people go into profession first off because they have an interest and a desire to do said work. typically, one should enjoy their job first. the pay is definitely an adjunct and can help one enjoy said job even more. we all make choices. maybe you could have parlayed your ivy league edu into something that you feel is paid commensurate with your expectations, but you know better than this(your comments)
Quote from: rocket surgeon on June 15, 2016, 06:15:02 PM
"I really didn't mean to come off as complaining, rather to highlight how actually well off the Grocery Manager/Bank Manager have it.
I would also argue that those business salaries are way too inflated. It doesn't not require any skill or education."
forgetful
are you serious? my son graduated from MU in 09. started out with wells fargo as a BANK TELLER. yes you read that right. a bank teller with a degree in business and finance; worked his ass off, many hours, weekends, etc. he is now the district manager for milwaukee to port washington to pewaukee. he is being paid what he feels is fair. he could get more from a competitor, but has forged relationships both political and business within the power structure that are far more valuable as he can continue to move up. "no skill or education"?? tell that to wells fargo-hire someone without a GED once. as a matter of fact, during his first group interview, one of the applicants couldn't understand how you needed money in an account in order to use a debit card...and she was edumacated
you forgetful, as a teacher/professor, should be proud of the fact that this is what you guys can turn out. most people go into profession first off because they have an interest and a desire to do said work. typically, one should enjoy their job first. the pay is definitely an adjunct and can help one enjoy said job even more. we all make choices. maybe you could have parlayed your ivy league edu into something that you feel is paid commensurate with your expectations, but you know better than this(your comments)
Fresh out of college, my brother started out as a teller at one of those grocery store bank branches. Twenty-some years later, he was a bank president. It's a good story to pull out when I talk to some recent grad who thinks that a clerical job is beneath them.
Quote from: warriorchick on June 15, 2016, 07:15:23 PM
Fresh out of college, my brother started out as a teller at one of those grocery store bank branches. Twenty-some years later, he was a bank president. It's a good story to pull out when I talk to some recent grad who thinks that a clerical job is beneath them.
I imagine a lot of recent grads would say, "what?!? 20-SOME years later? What about in like 3 years????"
Quote from: warriorchick on June 15, 2016, 07:15:23 PM
Fresh out of college, my brother started out as a teller at one of those grocery store bank branches. Twenty-some years later, he was a bank president. It's a good story to pull out when I talk to some recent grad who thinks that a clerical job is beneath them.
but but but, probably making way too much money, enn'a hey? those are the stories our young'ens and hamburger flippers need to hear
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 15, 2016, 07:59:27 PM
I imagine a lot of recent grads would say, "what?!? 20-SOME years later? What about in like 3 years????"
This.
College degree definitely helped me. I was homeless at one point in my younger days . Now I am the CEO of a big company.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on June 25, 2016, 08:20:38 PM
College degree definitely helped me. I was homeless at one point in my younger days . Now I am the CEO of a big company.
earned it! sick n tired of being sick and tired-that's a great story to hear-good on ya!
My college degrees were required for the field I work in; however, it was the skills I learned at all the crap jobs while getting those degrees that intrigued my current employer and separated me from the other candidates with the same degrees.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on June 25, 2016, 08:20:38 PM
College degree definitely helped me. I was homeless at one point in my younger days . Now I am the CEO of a big company.
Compared to what the kids get to live in today, we were all homeless at some point in college.
Quote from: Benny B on June 27, 2016, 09:55:20 AM
Compared to what the kids get to live in today, we were all homeless at some point in college.
Made me chuckle.
Compared to my digs at McCormick, my daughter practically lived in a luxury hotel at Lawrence.