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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on May 09, 2016, 04:12:53 PM
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http://maryland.247sports.com/Article/lg-gill-transfers-to-maryland-terps-basketball-from-duquesne-45250451
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Disappointing, but not a surprise.
C'mon, Kalif. We need you. Always wanted a big guy who can grow with the program.
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Shoot!
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Makes sense for him. Not much returning = more playing time.
(Maybe he prefers UA over Jordan?)
Henry leaves a big hole but I'm confident that Fischy and Heldt can help close that gap a bit.
It's just a question of who will add to the frontcourt minutes with them.
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This was always Mr. Young's seat to take. If Gill couldn't be patient, I can't blame him.
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Let's hope we land Kalif. I'd also like to see him grow for four years. Go Warriors!
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Always better to have a 4 year big guy than a rental.
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Wojo obviously cooled on the guy, because he always gets his man.
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Wojo obviously cooled on the guy, because he always gets his man.
I think that TAMUEagle's point was that Gill was Wojo's second choice and decided to go to the place where he was first choice.
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Wojo has been an outstanding recruiter by just about any measure.
To criticize him for his supposed "misses" is dopey.
Everybody misses. I mean, Calipari and Izzo "missed" on Henry, right?
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This was always Mr. Young's seat to take. If Gill couldn't be patient, I can't blame him.
Any idea on Young's timeline? When does he plan to announce?
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Any idea on Young's timeline? When does he plan to announce?
He plans to visit Providence this coming weekend and then go home and consider his options with mom and dad. Seems reasonable. I'd certainly anticipate a decision before the end of the month.
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He plans to visit Providence this coming weekend and then go home and consider his options with mom and dad. Seems reasonable. I'd certainly anticipate a decision before the end of the month.
Spring signing period ends next Wednesday, 5/18. Suspect he will sign somewhere by then. If not, one gets into non-binding scholarship agreements after that.
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http://maryland.247sports.com/Article/lg-gill-transfers-to-maryland-terps-basketball-from-duquesne-45250451
Obviously he felt comfortable with the whole situation. When it comes down to one year your going to go with your gut instinct.
I think the parents will have a bigger say on Kalifs decision. One big selling point with the mother will be our whole academic support system. It is very impressive to parents. Logistically with everything right there at the Al (practice, strength and conditioning and academic support), the parents have a comfort level knowing what their kids daily routine is going to be. MU really sells this aspect very hard to the recruits parents. Tom Ford just retired but he was the guy who was the one who created the whole concept of the Eagles Nest which other schools copied.
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Love everyone creaming themselves over Young. Is it his extremely high ranking that's getting everyone so excited?? Besides he will do NOTHING for MU's tourney chances next year. It's not like he's this dominant back to the basket big guy. Wojo gets one of those, then the excitement is warranted. Excuse me if i can't join in the excitement over a 6'9" player that will likely be an average at best contributor his 4 years in school. He goes to Providence, I won't lose any sleep. Would have much rather had Gill. It's about making the tourney THIS coming year.
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Love everyone creaming themselves over Young. Is it his extremely high ranking that's getting everyone so excited?? Besides he will do NOTHING for MU's tourney chances next year. It's not like he's this dominant back to the basket big guy. Wojo gets one of those, then the excitement is warranted. Excuse me if i can't join in the excitement over a 6'9" player that will likely be an average at best contributor his 4 years at PC. he goes to Providence, I won't lose any sleep. Would have much rather had Gill. It's about making the tourney THIS coming year.
We lost Gill. So now we are hoping we get Young. As Mr. Bilsu pointed out we need one big a year in our recruiting. Davante was not highly rated and we all enjoyed what he did for us.
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We lost Gill. So now we are hoping we get Young. As Mr. Bilsu pointed out we need one big a year in our recruiting. Davante was not highly rated and we all enjoyed what he did for us.
So MU should take a big every year just because he's a big?? nevermind if he doesn't contribute much in his 4 years at MU?? Give me a 15-8 big all day and then we can get excited.
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So MU should take a big every year just because he's a big?? nevermind if he doesn't contribute much in his 4 years at MU?? Give me a 15-8 big all day and then we can get excited.
Agreed. You can win in college basketball with a bunch of guards and slashers.
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Love everyone creaming themselves over Young. Is it his extremely high ranking that's getting everyone so excited?? Besides he will do NOTHING for MU's tourney chances next year. It's not like he's this dominant back to the basket big guy. Wojo gets one of those, then the excitement is warranted. Excuse me if i can't join in the excitement over a 6'9" player that will likely be an average at best contributor his 4 years in school. He goes to Providence, I won't lose any sleep. Would have much rather had Gill. It's about making the tourney THIS coming year.
I don't think anyone is "creaming" themselves over Young. I think some people recognize that our need for a big in the 17-18 season is much bigger than our need for a big in the 16-17 season. I don't expect Young to contribute much more than Matt Heldt did last season. But I am excited that if we were to get Young, we wouldn't have to bank on a grad transfer or a freshman to provide meaningful minutes in the post alongside Matt Heldt, our only other big currently on the roster for 17-18.
I want to get into the tournament next season. But I'd rather get into the tournament next season and the season after that. You do that by recruiting a steady stream of guys who might sit on the bench their first and second years but are starters by the third. I know I am in the minority but I think our roster, as it currently stands, can make the NCAA tournament next season. Gill would have cemented my confidence and Young doesn't, but I think this squad will make the tournament and then Young will help them make the tournament again next season.
Finally, I'll admit to being optimistic about Young. He looks like he has some good tools and high upside. He had a couple of blue bloods sniffing around him. They didn't offer but they were at least intrigued. More importantly, from what I've heard, Wojo is really high on the kid. That's enough for me to want him in blue and gold.
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I don't know if we get Young or not. Assuming yes....
Fischer 6'11
Heldt 6'10
Young 6'9
Hauser 6'7
Reinhart 6'6
Cohen 6'6
Johnson 6'5
Cheatham 6'5
Anim 6'5
Wilson 6'2
Carter 6'1
Howard 6'
Rowsey 5'10
Getting there. Still missing the cliché 6'8 Big East PF and the 6'3 jump out of the gym guard. You are only as good as what is coming back. So I only expect small contributions from Howard, Hauser, and Young anyway. Next year's success will be dictated by how much the returnees improve, what Reinhart delivers as a senior, and whether Rowsey can score and defend in the Big East at his size. If the answers to those 3 questions are a net positive, MU is likely a tourney team. Assuming Wojo continues to improve as a coach, too.
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I don't think anyone is "creaming" themselves over Young. I think some people recognize that our need for a big in the 17-18 season is much bigger than our need for a big in the 16-17 season. I don't expect Young to contribute much more than Matt Heldt did last season. But I am excited that if we were to get Young, we wouldn't have to bank on a grad transfer or a freshman to provide meaningful minutes in the post alongside Matt Heldt, our only other big currently on the roster for 17-18.
I want to get into the tournament next season. But I'd rather get into the tournament next season and the season after that. You do that by recruiting a steady stream of guys who might sit on the bench their first and second years but are starters by the third. I know I am in the minority but I think our roster, as it currently stands, can make the NCAA tournament next season. Gill would have cemented my confidence and Young doesn't, but I think this squad will make the tournament and then Young will help them make the tournament again next season.
Finally, I'll admit to being optimistic about Young. He looks like he has some good tools and high upside. He had a couple of blue bloods sniffing around him. They didn't offer but they were at least intrigued. More importantly, from what I've heard, Wojo is really high on the kid. That's enough for me to want him in blue and gold.
You are absolutely correct that we need Young to be a viable player in 17-18 for the reasons you stated. That is why we want him.
I am in the camp that says we will better this year. If we can get through the non conference with 10 wins I think 10-8 is a possibility in the Big East regular season.
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So MU should take a big every year just because he's a big?? nevermind if he doesn't contribute much in his 4 years at MU?? Give me a 15-8 big all day and then we can get excited.
It takes 15/8 to get you excited? Better not hold your breath, there were only 12 high-major players in the country last year that put up those kind of numbers:
Ben Simmons, LSU (192/11.8)
Josh Hawkinson, Washington State (15.4/11.1)
Brice Johnson, UNC (17.3/10.5)
Devin Thomas, Wake Forest (15.6/10.2)
Ryan Anderson, Arizona (15.3/10.1)
Henry Ellenson, Marquette (17.0/9.7)
Moses Kingsley, Arizona (15.9/9.3)
Dedric Lawson, Memphis (15.8/9.3)
Jakob Poetl, Utah (17.2/9.1)
Josh Scott, Colorado (16.3/8.8)
AJ Hammons, Purdue (15.0/8.2)
Yante Matin, Georgia (16.5/8.0)
Before Henry, Jae Crowder in 2010-11 (17.5/8.4) and Lazar Hayward in 2008-09 (16.4/8.6) were the only two players to accomplish that feat at Marquette since 1987. So we went roughly 30 years and had 3 players that put up 15/8. Doubt we'll just happen across one of those guys.
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Love everyone creaming themselves over Young. Is it his extremely high ranking that's getting everyone so excited?? Besides he will do NOTHING for MU's tourney chances next year. It's not like he's this dominant back to the basket big guy. Wojo gets one of those, then the excitement is warranted. Excuse me if i can't join in the excitement over a 6'9" player that will likely be an average at best contributor his 4 years in school. He goes to Providence, I won't lose any sleep. Would have much rather had Gill. It's about making the tourney THIS coming year.
You are excused.
Not sure why anyone bothers bringing facts into a debate with muguru. It's doom and gloom no matter what. You could get the entire Golden State Warriors roster playing at Marquette and he'd wonder why we can't get MJ in his prime to MU.
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So MU should take a big every year just because he's a big?? nevermind if he doesn't contribute much in his 4 years at MU?? Give me a 15-8 big all day and then we can get excited.
Yes, MU should try to recruit a big every year and not be afraid to red shirt him the first year.
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Wojo has been an outstanding recruiter by just about any measure.
To criticize him for his supposed "misses" is dopey.
Everybody misses. I mean, Calipari and Izzo "missed" on Henry, right?
Yeah, but UK brought in a 5 star and a 4 star center while MSU brought in Davis - not exactly scraping the barrel.
I'm fine with us "missing" on Gill but if we also miss on Young there's nothing dopey about criticism. We need some kind of 4 for next year - even if it's for ten minutes, a few Rebs, a few big-body fouls and some decent D. It's marginal stuff like that that turns an "outside looking in" team into one that dances.
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If Marquette's success next year hinges on Young then I'm not sure how successful we will be to begin with. Young is a long term solution in my opinion. Not a short term one. Would love to have him though.
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The advantage to landing young this year comes a year from now after Luke graduates. Having Heldt and Young each with another year under their belt helps the 17-18 team.
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The advantage to landing young this year comes a year from now after Luke graduates. Having Heldt and Young each with another year under their belt helps the 17-18 team.
Exactly.
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I really hope MU gets Khalif. He will be a valuable addition to the program. However, it is not reasonable to expect a late spring signing of an under-the-radar big to be a program changer. More often than not, a big signed in May is a project, a program player. If he comes, I do not expect him to put MU on his back this season. Those kind of expectations were unfair to Henry, (though he was very, very good), and they are completely unreasonable to this young man.
Assuming MU lands KY, I will view this class as a building block for future greatness, not an immediate impact class. Lots of talent, but the kind that takes a couple of years.
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It takes 15/8 to get you excited? Better not hold your breath, there were only 12 high-major players in the country last year that put up those kind of numbers:
Ben Simmons, LSU (192/11.8)
Simmons averaged 192 a game and LSU still missed the tournament? Now I'm really confused. :)
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I don't think anyone is "creaming" themselves over Young. I think some people recognize that our need for a big in the 17-18 season is much bigger than our need for a big in the 16-17 season. I don't expect Young to contribute much more than Matt Heldt did last season. But I am excited that if we were to get Young, we wouldn't have to bank on a grad transfer or a freshman to provide meaningful minutes in the post alongside Matt Heldt, our only other big currently on the roster for 17-18.
I want to get into the tournament next season. But I'd rather get into the tournament next season and the season after that. You do that by recruiting a steady stream of guys who might sit on the bench their first and second years but are starters by the third. I know I am in the minority but I think our roster, as it currently stands, can make the NCAA tournament next season. Gill would have cemented my confidence and Young doesn't, but I think this squad will make the tournament and then Young will help them make the tournament again next season.
Finally, I'll admit to being optimistic about Young. He looks like he has some good tools and high upside. He had a couple of blue bloods sniffing around him. They didn't offer but they were at least intrigued. More importantly, from what I've heard, Wojo is really high on the kid. That's enough for me to want him in blue and gold.
My thoughts exactly. An incredibly thoughtful, reasonable and well-stated response. No doubt leading many Scoopers to wonder, "What's this forum coming to? Where's the indignant outrage driven by wildly unrealistic expectations?"
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You could get the entire Golden State Warriors roster playing at Marquette and he'd wonder why we can't get MJ in his prime to MU.
Even better would be landing a player who doesn't exist — a mythical big who will break Henry's freshman rebounding record, post up like Robert Jackson, drift to the outside like Novak, drive the lane like Wade, block shots like McIlvane, steal passes like Jerel and distribute the ball like Tony Miller.
Why can't Wojo land that player?
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Love everyone creaming themselves over Young. Is it his extremely high ranking that's getting everyone so excited?? Besides he will do NOTHING for MU's tourney chances next year. It's not like he's this dominant back to the basket big guy. Wojo gets one of those, then the excitement is warranted. Excuse me if i can't join in the excitement over a 6'9" player that will likely be an average at best contributor his 4 years in school. He goes to Providence, I won't lose any sleep. Would have much rather had Gill. It's about making the tourney THIS coming year.
What a ridiculous post.
Do you think Bucky backers were "creaming themselves" over the Kaminsky signing, or the signings of any of their several project bigs who turned out to be quite good?
Conversely, Bucky backers probably were creaming themselves over the Butch signing, and he was pretty bad before finally blossoming.
Were Scoopers creaming themselves over the Gardner signing? He turned out OK, no?
guru, you have absolutely no idea if Young will be good, bad or mediocre. You wanted Gill, you're pissed we didn't get him, and you're taking it out on Young, Wojo and your fellow Scoopers.
Grow the eff up. It's basketball, not life. And you don't know more about basketball than anybody else here.
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What a ridiculous post.
Do you think Bucky backers were "creaming themselves" over the Kaminsky signing, or the signings of any of their several project bigs who turned out to be quite good?
Conversely, Bucky backers probably were creaming themselves over the Butch signing, and he was pretty bad before finally blossoming.
Were Scoopers creaming themselves over the Gardner signing? He turned out OK, no?
guru, you have absolutely no idea if Young will be good, bad or mediocre. You wanted Gill, you're pissed we didn't get him, and you're taking it out on Young, Wojo and your fellow Scoopers.
Grow the eff up. It's basketball, not life. And you don't know more about basketball than anybody else here.
I did. Actually, I took it a bit too far, wondering whether he would be another Damon Key.
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So MU should take a big every year just because he's a big?? nevermind if he doesn't contribute much in his 4 years at MU?? Give me a 15-8 big all day and then we can get excited.
I think that Young compares favorably with some bigs that have turned out quite well at places like Xavier. Bigs are different then wings, they often haven't been big that long when they're recruited. They still have lots of development potential to fulfill.
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Exactly.
I think the margins matter more than you let on here. Going from first four out to first four in is probably decided by one L that could be a W. Going from a 4 seed in the NIT to last four in is probably turning to L to W. I more than think having a big, if unpolished, 4 playing some meaningful minutes in an appropriate matchup situation turns a L or two into Ws.
Plus, you are right "4 guard" teams can win - but only when hey have an absolute dominator like Ocheafau (sp) in the middle. I love love and think he is a great player, but that's not his game. There are teams in our schedule where we need to put some meat in the paint and right now we just don't have that.
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I think the margins matter more than you let on here. Going from first four out to first four in is probably decided by one L that could be a W. Going from a 4 seed in the NIT to last four in is probably turning to L to W. I more than think having a big, if unpolished, 4 playing some meaningful minutes in an appropriate matchup situation turns a L or two into Ws.
Plus, you are right "4 guard" teams can win - but only when hey have an absolute dominator like Ocheafau (sp) in the middle. I love love and think he is a great player, but that's not his game. There are teams in our schedule where we need to put some meat in the paint and right now we just don't have that.
Not with the schedule with played last year. I do think we would of got an NIT bid, if we had finished 9-9 in Big East. In that case the DePaul loss cost us an NIT bid. However, adding a Belmont win to that would of got us no where near to an NCAA bid.
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Not with the schedule with played last year. I do think we would of got an NIT bid, if we had finished 9-9 in Big East. In that case the DePaul loss cost us an NIT bid. However, adding a Belmont win to that would of got us no where near to an NCAA bid.
I think we needed to beat DePaul, Belmont, Creighton and Georgetown to make NCAA given the rest of the schedule. Or get to the final of the Big East tournament which would have meant another quality win. I agree with You on the NIT.
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I think we needed to beat DePaul, Belmont, Creighton and Georgetown to make NCAA given the rest of the schedule. Or get to the final of the Big East tournament which would have meant another quality win. I agree with You on the NIT.
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LOVE that image. Nicely done!
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Is that a dead horse or a dead llama?
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Is that a dead horse or a dead llama?
Either way, it's dead. And you're still beating it.
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Either way, it's dead. And you're still beating it.
Actually first derivative. I was re beating what the previous guy beat.
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Either way, it's dead. And you're still beating it.
Mr. Multiple?
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Fabulous.
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Either way, it's dead. And you're still beating it.
I thought that ended with I do...
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Here is another 2016 big that Providence is pursuing. Maybe we should be talking to him as well.
https://pcbb1917.com/2016/05/02/2016-center-khalea-turner-visting-providence-ed-cooley-recruiting/
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Here is another 2016 big that Providence is pursuing. Maybe we should be talking to him as well.
https://pcbb1917.com/2016/05/02/2016-center-khalea-turner-visting-providence-ed-cooley-recruiting/
why? kostas is here.
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why? kostas is here.
I am for talking to any players 6-8 or taller that can walk and chew gum at the same time.
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Not with the schedule with played last year. I do think we would of got an NIT bid, if we had finished 9-9 in Big East. In that case the DePaul loss cost us an NIT bid. However, adding a Belmont win to that would of got us no where near to an NCAA bid.
I said two more wins for a team that is a NIT 4 seed gets them into the dance. As we missed the NIT probably would have been 3 or 4 more - but I don't want to beat the llama on that here.
More importantly is next year's squad. I think we the squad we have now we should be NIT 4 seed or last four in. I'm saying KY, even in a limited role, might make the difference in turning a L or W next years into a win. He's not going to be a game changer, but might do enough in a game or two to make a difference.
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I am for talking to any players 6-8 or taller that can walk and chew gum at the same time.
Greedy.
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I said two more wins for a team that is a NIT 4 seed gets them into the dance. As we missed the NIT probably would have been 3 or 4 more - but I don't want to beat the llama on that here.
More importantly is next year's squad. I think we the squad we have now we should be NIT 4 seed or last four in. I'm saying KY, even in a limited role, might make the difference in turning a L or W next years into a win. He's not going to be a game changer, but might do enough in a game or two to make a difference.
You can really say that about any recruit.
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You can really say that about any recruit.
You're trolling now right? You think adding a 3-star, 2 guard to next year's roster would have the same marginal gain as KY?
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You're trolling now right? You think adding a 3-star, 2 guard to next year's roster would have the same marginal gain as KY?
Yes any recruit "might make the difference in turning a L or W next years into a win."
For instance, we probably don't beat UW in Madison back in 2011 without Derrick Wilson who at that time was a lowly rated guard. Junior gets suspended, and he comes in any plays nearly 20 defending Jordan Taylor who was largely ineffective.
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It takes 15/8 to get you excited? Better not hold your breath, there were only 12 high-major players in the country last year that put up those kind of numbers:
Ben Simmons, LSU (192/11.8)
Josh Hawkinson, Washington State (15.4/11.1)
Brice Johnson, UNC (17.3/10.5)
Devin Thomas, Wake Forest (15.6/10.2)
Ryan Anderson, Arizona (15.3/10.1)
Henry Ellenson, Marquette (17.0/9.7)
Moses Kingsley, Arizona (15.9/9.3)
Dedric Lawson, Memphis (15.8/9.3)
Jakob Poetl, Utah (17.2/9.1)
Josh Scott, Colorado (16.3/8.8)
AJ Hammons, Purdue (15.0/8.2)
Yante Matin, Georgia (16.5/8.0)
Before Henry, Jae Crowder in 2010-11 (17.5/8.4) and Lazar Hayward in 2008-09 (16.4/8.6) were the only two players to accomplish that feat at Marquette since 1987. So we went roughly 30 years and had 3 players that put up 15/8. Doubt we'll just happen across one of those guys.
Ben Bentil at 21.1 points and 7.7 rebounds was close enough that I'd have included him.
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Yes any recruit "might make the difference in turning a L or W next years into a win."
For instance, we probably don't beat UW in Madison back in 2011 without Derrick Wilson who at that time was a lowly rated guard.
FIFY
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Here is another 2016 big that Providence is pursuing. Maybe we should be talking to him as well.
https://pcbb1917.com/2016/05/02/2016-center-khalea-turner-visting-providence-ed-cooley-recruiting/
A big body with poor production. I believe that Wojo has said that he is not going to scrape the bottom of the barrel to just fill a spot.
Hopefully, Providence is covering itself for the probability of Young going elsewhere.
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A big body with poor production. I believe that Wojo has said that he is not going to scrape the bottom of the barrel to just fill a spot.
Hopefully, Providence is covering itself for the probability of Young going elsewhere.
I am not advocating take him, just saying take a look. Cooley is a sound coach so there must be kernel of value there.
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Ben Bentil at 21.1 points and 7.7 rebounds was close enough that I'd have included him.
Going through everyone with 8+ rebounds was enough, close enough wasn't close enough ;)
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Hopefully, Providence is covering itself for the probability of Young going elsewhere.
That's exactly what I was thinking. Probably an optimistic read of the situation, but I'll take it as a good sign.