Henry Ellenson officially declares for the NBA draft and will sign agentOn Tuesday evening, Henry Ellenson officially announced that he will leave Marquette after one season, hire an agent and declare for the NBA Draft.
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Oh.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on April 05, 2016, 06:05:00 PM
Oh.
Still wasn't true when you said it the first 100 times. It was a sound prediction based on good reasoning and research. One that I agreed with. But it was an opinion, not a fact. The final decision wasn't made until after the season. Funny enough, that's when you stopped saying "he gowne" to everything.
So I guess the only question is: Do we see him on the titans video?
Quote from: #UnleashWally on April 05, 2016, 06:26:58 PM
So I guess the only question is: Do we see him on the titans video?
Yes.
Quote from: Howard's Eagle on April 05, 2016, 06:21:35 PM
Still wasn't true when you said it the first 100 times. It was a sound prediction based on good reasoning and research. One that I agreed with. But it was an opinion, not a fact. The final decision wasn't made until after the season. Funny enough, that's when you stopped saying "he gowne" to everything.
The plan all along was One and Done. That was the plan. Something major would have had to have happened. He was gone from the day he first met with Wojo. That was the plan. You can use semantics on when the "final" decision was made but the plan all along was One and Done. Today is not a surprise, today is a not a good guess by Wade's World, today is all apart of the plan. Stop pretending / suggesting otherwise.
Quote from: The Lens on April 05, 2016, 08:18:35 PM
The plan all along was One and Done. That was the plan. Something major would have had to have happened. He was gone from the day he first met with Wojo. That was the plan. You can use semantics on when the "final" decision was made but the plan all along was One and Done. Today is not a surprise, today is a not a good guess by Wade's World, today is all apart of the plan. Stop pretending / suggesting otherwise.
Bingo. The only decision that needed to be decided was when to announce and who to sign with.
I'm proud of all Henry accomplished in his short time at Marquette. I'm glad Wojo was able to successfully recruit such a talent. I enjoyed watching him play. And I'm thankful that he announced his decision early instead of stringing everybody along.
Nothing but positives. I wish him well and will enjoy following his career.
Quote from: The Lens on April 05, 2016, 08:18:35 PM
The plan all along was One and Done. That was the plan. Something major would have had to have happened. He was gone from the day he first met with Wojo. That was the plan. You can use semantics on when the "final" decision was made but the plan all along was One and Done. Today is not a surprise, today is a not a good guess by Wade's World, today is all apart of the plan. Stop pretending / suggesting otherwise.
Yes, Henry being one and done was always the plan. To think that was a final decision is not the truth. At some point during the season he was no longer sure of the plan and considered other options. Ultimately he decided to stick with the original plan. Never said today was a surprise. Never said Wadesworld made a guess. He made a smart prediction based on evidence (not a hard prediction to make). I'm not pretending or suggesting anything. I'm stating.
Quote from: The Lens on April 05, 2016, 08:18:35 PM
The plan all along was One and Done. That was the plan. Something major would have had to have happened. He was gone from the day he first met with Wojo. That was the plan. You can use semantics on when the "final" decision was made but the plan all along was One and Done. Today is not a surprise, today is a not a good guess by Wade's World, today is all apart of the plan. Stop pretending / suggesting otherwise.
+1
People close to the MU program, including a guy that runs another message board, told me that Henry was one-and-done before the season started. In fact one of these people
thought Henry told Wojo that was the plan before he recruited him.
Quote from: Heisenberg on April 05, 2016, 10:35:10 PM
+1
People close to the MU program, including a guy that runs another message board, told me that Henry was one-and-done before the season started. In fact one of these people thought Henry told Wojo that was the plan before he recruited him.
All that is true. None of that meant HE was gowne until recently.
QuoteBingo. The only decision that needed to be decided was when to announce and who to sign with.
Don't mean to be a prick, but that's two decisions.
Actually, I do mean to be a prick.
Quote from: Howard's Eagle on April 05, 2016, 11:31:09 PM
All that is true. None of that meant HE was gowne until recently.
Exactly
I did not bring it up until now because plans change, outlooks evolve.
In this case the original plan stayed that way until the end.
Of course both he and Wojo knew he was one and done from the start. This was never in doubt and if anyone thought it was they are kidding themselves.
Quote from: Howard's Eagle on April 05, 2016, 09:55:30 PM
Yes, Henry being one and done was always the plan. To think that was a final decision is not the truth. At some point during the season he was no longer sure of the plan and considered other options. Ultimately he decided to stick with the original plan. Never said today was a surprise. Never said Wadesworld made a guess. He made a smart prediction based on evidence (not a hard prediction to make). I'm not pretending or suggesting anything. I'm stating.
I think one of the things that evolved is that some specific teams in the lottery showed interest which took the risk out. The T Wolves make enormous sense . 2 hours from home and parents. I think if things were more generic he probably would not have opted for the agent.
I hope he finishes out the semester for APR sake.
If Henry had not signed on last year, we would be heading into next year with an experienced player, probably a big body. Instead we start from scratch. So, was it worth it to gain a few wins for a non-tourney? It seems to me that it's similar to trading a good prospect in baseball for a top notch player when you have a 2nd division team.
No sense signing a one and done unless you're a contender.
Quote from: DaCoach on April 07, 2016, 08:04:07 AM
If Henry had not signed on last year, we would be heading into next year with an experienced player, probably a big body. Instead we start from scratch. So, was it worth it to gain a few wins for a non-tourney? It seems to me that it's similar to trading a good prospect in baseball for a top notch player when you have a 2nd division team.
No sense signing a one and done unless you're a contender.
Of all the dumb posts on Scoop...
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on April 06, 2016, 01:04:44 PM
I think one of the things that evolved is that some specific teams in the lottery showed interest which took the risk out. The T Wolves make enormous sense . 2 hours from home and parents. I think if things were more generic he probably would not have opted for the agent.
Not to be mean about this, but your takes on Henry have been wrong from the beginning. Barring some unforeseen circumstance, he was always going to leave after one year and he was always going to hire an agent. He didn't just hire an agent because he might be playing close to home.
This was the plan.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 07, 2016, 08:35:21 AM
Of all the dumb posts on Scoop...
What a coincidence. I was thinking the same thing about your non-factual response. You wouldn't happen to be a Trumpite would you?
Quote from: DaCoach on April 07, 2016, 11:00:21 AM
What a coincidence. I was thinking the same thing about your non-factual response. You wouldn't happen to be a Trumpite would you?
Serious question for you here. How many players were on scholarship on our roster to begin the 2015-2016 season?
Ridiculously dumb hot take on Henry, courtesy of the Marquette Tribune.
http://marquettewire.org/3947508/sports/fiorentino-beware-the-one-and-done/
Quote from: wadesworld on April 07, 2016, 11:34:53 AM
Serious question for you here. How many players were on scholarship on our roster to begin the 2015-2016 season?
Lol. This was my first thought when I read his post.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 07, 2016, 11:34:53 AM
Serious question for you here. How many players were on scholarship on our roster to begin the 2015-2016 season?
'What is fewer than 13, Alex? '
Quote from: Pakuni on April 07, 2016, 12:08:33 PM
Ridiculously dumb hot take on Henry, courtesy of the Marquette Tribune.
http://marquettewire.org/3947508/sports/fiorentino-beware-the-one-and-done/
I keep reading posters saying that the logic expounded here is stupid, but not why it is stupid. I'm not convinced that the logic is correct, but not sure why it is wrong, either. We won more games this year than we would have without Henry this year, but not enough, and we're revamping everything again next year. I certainly enjoyed watching him play, but I'm not sure his presence at MU was a net positive or a net negative.
Quote from: jsglow on April 07, 2016, 12:30:46 PM
'What is fewer than 13, Alex? '
This argument makes sense. It really is only a potentially bad thing to take a one and done on a non-tourney quality team if his presence scares off another player who might be a four-year quality guy (a PF in this instance). If it was Henry or nothing then there is no reasonable argument to not take Henry.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 07, 2016, 12:08:33 PM
Ridiculously dumb hot take on Henry, courtesy of the Marquette Tribune.
http://marquettewire.org/3947508/sports/fiorentino-beware-the-one-and-done/
Pretty thin. Nothing HE did diminished the other guys and MU isn't becoming Kentucky. HE was a special circumstance. Of course you love to get him.
If we don't swing and miss on Damion Lee / Shonn Miller, we're dancing. You take as much talent as you can get. You never turn down talent.
Quote from: CTWarrior on April 07, 2016, 12:31:42 PM
I keep reading posters saying that the logic expounded here is stupid, but not why it is stupid. I'm not convinced that the logic is correct, but not sure why it is wrong, either. We won more games this year than we would have without Henry this year, but not enough, and we're revamping everything again next year. I certainly enjoyed watching him play, but I'm not sure his presence at MU was a net positive or a net negative.
Because not recruiting the best talent doesn't make sense. So instead of Henry the article asserts some other player would have been here and ready to contribute.
But who is this person? As glow said, we had openings. Where did this person go? What impact is he having elsewhere?
Too many assumptions. Just recruit the best talent that fits your program. Let the rest sort itself out later.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on April 07, 2016, 12:43:39 PM
Because not recruiting the best talent doesn't make sense. So instead of Henry the article asserts some other player would have been here and ready to contribute.
But who is this person? As glow said, we had openings. Where did this person go? What impact is he having elsewhere?
Too many assumptions. Just recruit the best talent that fits your program. Let the rest sort itself out later.
Exactly.
According to the recruiting boards, the only other bigs on MU's radar were massive center Tyler Jackson (redshirted at UC-Santa Barbara) and Racine's Travon Bunch (didn't qualify).
It's possible they knew HE was coming and didn't put much emphasis on front court players, but it's not like 4-year studs were lining up and MU passed on them.
Furthermore the article makes the assertion that since the final four teams were senior laden saying that's the way to go.
But Duke had two one and dones last year and won the title. Kentucky made two final fours I. The last three years.
And I don't see Marquette having that "culture" at all.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 07, 2016, 11:34:53 AM
Serious question for you here. How many players were on scholarship on our roster to begin the 2015-2016 season?
No question we had a very depleted roster entering the season since we added 8. However my comment was directed to the next year and beyond. Is MU a better team in 16-17 and beyond? Obviously we will be without HE. I do not dismiss his value this year but he has no impact moving forward. Instead of Henry we would be better suited having added a 4* PF last year who would be starting this year. Also, I presume we would have another scholarship available in Wally's slot.
Quote from: DaCoach on April 07, 2016, 01:25:25 PM
No question we had a very depleted roster entering the season since we added 8. However my comment was directed to the next year and beyond. Is MU a better team in 16-17 and beyond? Obviously we will be without HE. I do not dismiss his value this year but he has no impact moving forward. Instead of Henry we would be better suited having added a 4* PF last year who would be starting this year. Also, I presume we would have another scholarship available in Wally's slot.
...we had scholarships available for these players that you evidently think are so easy to find and get to sign with your program. Hank (and Walter) did not use up our last scholarship(s).
Quote from: wadesworld on April 07, 2016, 01:42:37 PM
...we had scholarships available for these players that you evidently think are so easy to find and get to sign with your program. Hank (and Walter) did not use up our last scholarship(s).
Tell me. How much time do you spend at night practicing your sarcasm? Fact is recruits look at the team that's offering scholies. How many big men are willing to sign behind HE? And where did I ever suggest players are so easy to find and sign? If you feel having a grownup discussion, fine. If you'd rather act like a child with all the answers, save for your mother when you ask for a higher allowance.
Who's to say we can't be villanova in year+? Maybe I'm just too optimistic but Rowsey, Traci, Hanni, and Markus in a year or so...that's quite the guard set up. And you don't need a world beater in the post, just serviceable. And obviously a Hybrid type...Thinking that'll be Hauser, not Sandy.
Like I said, maybe I'm just too optimistic.
Quote from: DaCoach on April 07, 2016, 07:31:59 PM
Tell me. How much time do you spend at night practicing your sarcasm? Fact is recruits look at the team that's offering scholies. How many big men are willing to sign behind HE? And where did I ever suggest players are so easy to find and sign? If you feel having a grownup discussion, fine. If you'd rather act like a child with all the answers, save for your mother when you ask for a higher allowance.
So we should've gotten a big who would be around the next 3 years and could help us longer term than Hank, but we couldn't because those bigs saw Wojo landing Hank and they didn't want to sit behind him, but those bigs weren't smart enough to know (and Wojo wasn't smart enough to tell them) that Hank would be gone after their freshman year and, after a year of practicing against a lottery pick power forward, they would have the starting job at the 4?
Hank did not prevent bigs to come to Marquette. If he did, we'd have one coming in for the class of 2016.
Quote from: DaCoach on April 07, 2016, 08:04:07 AM
If Henry had not signed on last year, we would be heading into next year with an experienced player, probably a big body. Instead we start from scratch. So, was it worth it to gain a few wins for a non-tourney? It seems to me that it's similar to trading a good prospect in baseball for a top notch player when you have a 2nd division team.
No sense signing a one and done unless you're a contender.
Do you know Nate?
Second-guessing is always easier in hindsight.
At the time of Henry's signing, I don't remember reading a single objection on this board. I was ecstatic (and still am). He was the most highly acclaimed Marquette recruit in decades, the centerpiece of a top 10 class. Henry instantly stepped into the starting lineup — becoming an all-Big East player and freshman of the year who helped transform a losing team. Despite falling short of the NCAA tournament, Henry was a difference maker.
Who wouldn't want that kind of player? No coach in the country would have turned him down — even if you knew ahead of time he'd declare for the draft. To argue otherwise strikes me as asinine.
Quote from: DaCoach on April 07, 2016, 07:31:59 PM
Tell me. How much time do you spend at night practicing your sarcasm? Fact is recruits look at the team that's offering scholies. How many big men are willing to sign behind HE? And where did I ever suggest players are so easy to find and sign? If you feel having a grownup discussion, fine. If you'd rather act like a child with all the answers, save for your mother when you ask for a higher allowance.
Oh boy.
The guy who asks for the grown-up discussion resorts to name-calling and dopeyness.
He also has nary a shred of evidence to support his thesis.
Gotta love Scoop.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 07, 2016, 12:08:33 PM
Ridiculously dumb hot take on Henry, courtesy of the Marquette Tribune.
http://marquettewire.org/3947508/sports/fiorentino-beware-the-one-and-done/
Actually I thought the author had a lot of good points. He painted a fair and balanced picture of the pros and cons.