Syracuse!
I feel like I'm wasting my time watching them play because all these games will be vacated in due time.
They might be the dirtiest problem in college basketball today.
They do not belong in this tournament. Worst inclusion in NCAA history. Not at all deserving of an at large.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 25, 2016, 10:54:14 PM
They do not belong in this tournament. Worst inclusion in NCAA history. Not at all deserving of an at large.
Agree. The results in the tournament are not important. They should have been in the NIT. The committee botched that one big time.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 25, 2016, 10:54:14 PM
They do not belong in this tournament. Worst inclusion in NCAA history. Not at all deserving of an at large.
Yet there they are in the Elite 8.
Possibly the easiest route to the elite 8 in ncca history. every game is a low seeded team that they face. Middle Tennessee was a fluke. replay that msu wins by 20
An All-ACC East and Midwest. Yuck.
UNC throttles ND. VA throttles Cuse.
Then we possibly get an exciting replay of the ACC championship (I'm calling VA this time).
Its absurd and kinda of annoying how Cuse wiggled their way into the NCAA tournament, and now are in the E8...
Not to mention, Roy Williams continues to embarrass Tom Crean in the NCAA tournament.
Tom probably thought he was going to avenge the loss from 13 years ago.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 25, 2016, 10:59:52 PM
Yet there they are in the Elite 8.
Inclusion in the tournament is not based on what you do once you get there, it's based on what you do in order to get there. Syracuse did not do enough to warrant inclusion. They could win the title and they would still not be worthy of being a tournament team.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 25, 2016, 11:43:22 PM
Inclusion in the tournament is not based on what you do once you get there, it's based on what you do in order to get there. Syracuse did not do enough to warrant inclusion. They could win the title and they would still not be worthy of being a tournament team.
Say that aloud.
Can I say North Carolina? Should be sitting out a few years.
I loved watching them beat Sabonis. Talk about a baby my god that kid whines.
They clearly belong in the tourney. They had a rough patch when JB was out and the committee took that into consideration
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 25, 2016, 11:51:33 PM
Say that aloud.
Why? Whether I type it or say it aloud it is the same truth. You don't earn the right to play in the NCAA Tournament after the NCAA Tournament starts. Is that a complicated concept?
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 26, 2016, 08:10:09 AM
I loved watching them beat Sabonis. Talk about a baby my god that kid whines.
They clearly belong in the tourney. They had a rough patch when JB was out and the committee took that into consideration
And they fucking shouldn't have. He was out as a punishment for violating NCAA rules. Cuse should not have been given a "pass" on those losses. So fucking unbelievable.
Greatest egg on NCAA's face will be handing trophy to North Carolina, then taking it away along with all the other wins since 1980. As dirty as Syracuse is (and it has been since the '80s when I covered them), NC is worse.
Quote from: ecompt on March 26, 2016, 09:11:49 AM
Greatest egg on NCAA's face will be handing trophy to North Carolina, then taking it away along with all the other wins since 1980. As dirty as Syracuse is (and it has been since the '80s when I covered them), NC is worse.
Sorry--just do not believe that will happen. UNC is almost as big as NCAA. Suspect that UNC will just be given a slap on the wrist. What has Syracuse received?
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 26, 2016, 08:44:25 AM
And they unnatural carnal knowledgeing shouldn't have. He was out as a punishment for violating NCAA rules. Cuse should not have been given a "pass" on those losses. So unnatural carnal knowledgeing unbelievable.
The NCAA suspended him. Then the NCAA chose to ignore their own suspension when determining inclusion. That makes no sense. What is the point of a suspension if it isn't enforced?
I do hate Syracuse for reasons I have previously stated and last night just threw fuel on the fire. Replay showed pretty clear foul on the supposed "block" by Syracuse on Gonzaga's last shot attempt that gets called in all levels of basketball 999 out of 1000 times. The problem is, you could sit in a room full of 'Cuse fans and watch that replay 100 times and 100 times they are going to say "clean block".
Quote from: willie warrior on March 26, 2016, 09:17:50 AM
Sorry--just do not believe that will happen. UNC is almost as big as NCAA. Suspect that UNC will just be given a slap on the wrist. What has Syracuse received?
Syracuse's violations were minor compared to UNC's. You have academic fraud unmatched in NCAA history. I know money talks, but if NCAA vacated Penn State's wins and UMass' Final Four and virtually shut down SMU, they almost have to throw the book at Chapel Hill.
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 26, 2016, 08:10:09 AM
I loved watching them beat Sabonis. Talk about a baby my god that kid whines.
They clearly belong in the tourney. They had a rough patch when JB was out and the committee took that into consideration
Let's just "self ban" Wojo for the Wisconsin game, B1G non conference game we get, and non conference tourney, plus all BE games against teams not named DePaul and St. John's. Then we'll be undefeated or close to it with Wojo coaching and just have a "rough patch" without our leader on the bench. Obviously we will be deserving of a 1 seed every year then.
Quote from: omni77 on March 26, 2016, 09:43:57 AM
I do hate Syracuse for reasons I have previously stated and last night just threw fuel on the fire. Replay showed pretty clear foul on the supposed "block" by Syracuse on Gonzaga's last shot attempt that gets called in all levels of basketball 999 out of 1000 times. The problem is, you could sit in a room full of 'Cuse fans and watch that replay 100 times and 100 times they are going to say "clean block".
I thought it was pretty obviously a clean block and I didn't care who won.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 25, 2016, 11:19:53 PM
Not to mention, Roy Williams continues to embarrass Tom Crean in the NCAA tournament.
Tom probably thought he was going to avenge the loss from 13 years ago.
How did da infamous T-Cubed fook you handshake go at da end, hey?
Thought it looked like Crean bent over to hug Williams but didn't get a response
Watch the replay again Sultan. Yes, the 'Cuse guy initially had all ball but he clobbered the shooters arm as he followed through. That's a foul.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 26, 2016, 10:43:32 AM
Let's just "self ban" Wojo for the Wisconsin game, B1G non conference game we get, and non conference tourney, plus all BE games against teams not named DePaul and St. John's. Then we'll be undefeated or close to it with Wojo coaching and just have a "rough patch" without our leader on the bench. Obviously we will be deserving of a 1 seed every year then.
You're putting the value of wojo in the same category as the value of boeheim? Not sure if serious
Quote from: omni77 on March 26, 2016, 09:43:57 AM
I do hate Syracuse for reasons I have previously stated and last night just threw fuel on the fire. Replay showed pretty clear foul on the supposed "block" by Syracuse on Gonzaga's last shot attempt that gets called in all levels of basketball 999 out of 1000 times. The problem is, you could sit in a room full of 'Cuse fans and watch that replay 100 times and 100 times they are going to say "clean block".
Did you miss the part where Cooney clearly stole the ball and kept his feet inbounds but the refs gave the ball to the Zags??
Quote from: omni77 on March 26, 2016, 02:27:25 PM
Watch the replay again Sultan. Yes, the 'Cuse guy initially had all ball but he clobbered the shooters arm as he followed through. That's a foul.
I've seen it. That's just not a foul. If there was any contact it was incidental long after the ball was away. That would rarely be called.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 26, 2016, 02:52:03 PM
I've seen it. That's just not a foul. If there was any contact it was incidental long after the ball was away. That would rarely be called.
Agreed. Not a foul no matter what, but most definitely not a foul that late in the game.
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 26, 2016, 02:43:43 PM
You're putting the value of wojo in the same category as the value of boeheim? Not sure if serious
If the Syracuse admin buys his logic do they rethink the succession plan?
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 26, 2016, 02:43:43 PM
You're putting the value of wojo in the same category as the value of boeheim? Not sure if serious
No he is pointing out that JB was out because he was suspended for violating a rule. Why the NCAA took that into account is beyond bizarre.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 26, 2016, 04:50:01 PM
No he is pointing out that JB was out because he was suspended for violating a rule. Why the NCAA took that into account is beyond bizarre.
Yup. If anything that should've further hurt their NCAA Tournament chances, not helped them.
Quote from: forgetful on March 26, 2016, 03:57:50 PM
Agreed. Not a foul no matter what, but most definitely not a foul that late in the game.
You're one of those people who believes fouls should be called differently at the beginning of a game vs the end?
IMO, if it's a foul in the first 30 seconds or the middle 30 seconds, it's a foul in the last 30 seconds. That's why rules, written as they are, exist
+100 for every post explaining why syracuse should not have been invited to the tourney, and just confounded how the NCAA would somehow take their record during blowheim's NCAA-imposed suspension into account.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 26, 2016, 09:25:00 PM
You're one of those people who believes fouls should be called differently at the beginning of a game vs the end?
IMO, if it's a foul in the first 30 seconds or the middle 30 seconds, it's a foul in the last 30 seconds. That's why rules, written as they are, exist
Agree
But all Refs are not created equal, some have more backbone.
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 26, 2016, 02:43:43 PM
You're putting the value of wojo in the same category as the value of boeheim? Not sure if serious
Baywine is a sleazebucket. Remember the scandal with the asst. Fine? Baywine knew about all that mess, and what became of it?
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 26, 2016, 04:44:49 PM
If the Syracuse admin buys his logic do they rethink the succession plan?
They already have the successor picked, Defendork.
Quote from: ecompt on March 26, 2016, 09:56:45 AM
Syracuse's violations were minor compared to UNC's. You have academic fraud unmatched in NCAA history. I know money talks, but if NCAA vacated Penn State's wins and UMass' Final Four and virtually shut down SMU, they almost have to throw the book at Chapel Hill.
While you are correct, I have no faith in the NCAA. My bet is on some meaningless bs not approaching the death penalty they deserve.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 26, 2016, 09:25:00 PM
You're one of those people who believes fouls should be called differently at the beginning of a game vs the end?
IMO, if it's a foul in the first 30 seconds or the middle 30 seconds, it's a foul in the last 30 seconds. That's why rules, written as they are, exist
No, I stated it is not a foul at any time. The definitely not in the last 30 seconds. The reason there is, everything that was a foul is still a foul, but if it is questionable, and/or you are not sure of the right call you swallow your whistle there. Earlier in the game making a call (even if they get it wrong) has less overall impact. At the end of the game if you blow the whistle and make the wrong call because you didn't see it well, then you decide the outcome.
What is a foul doesn't change.
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball-news/4699838-syracuses-elite-eight-tournament-sanctions-jim-boeheim-suspension
I continue to like DeCourcy's work
In a way Syracuse doing well kind of helps us via the transitive theory. Georgetown St. johns and Wisconsin all beat them. We beat Georgetown St. Johns and Wisconsin. So a modest bit of credibility upgrade for our cause.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 25, 2016, 10:54:14 PM
They do not belong in this tournament. Worst inclusion in NCAA history. Not at all deserving of an at large.
Syracuse did have some big wins. I would vote Vanderbilt and Tulsa should have not been as well. Syracuse should have been in Dayton if anything. Looks like the committee didn't look at Syracuse's loses but held it against Monmouth.
How does an Atlantic 10 school of an RPI of 38 not make the field in St. BONAVENTURE.
Syracuse typically outperforms in a tournament setting. They have a unique and unusual style that if you haven't played against it twice every year, you are not used to and makes it difficult to prepare for in a short window.
Gimmicky teams do well in tournaments. In the regular season with more prep time they are exposed.
Syracuse shouldn't have been in the tournament period. They ignored their performance for the season and let them in because of reputation only.
Syracuse had five top 50 wins. Pretty good, but how does a ACC team have an RPI of 71. Looks like the committee didn't look at the loses.
Wife just jokingly asked "why is Bernie Sanders on TV during the game" knowing it wasn't BS but not knowing JB. After telling her...""ugh, i think he's worse than Bernie". Marry up my friends!
A travishammockery
Where does this Virginia choke rank in the history of the NCAA?
Its not even the first or second biggest choke in this tournament.
BTW Kevin Harlan: "Back from the dead on Easter Sunday." Cmon...
Quote from: Heisenberg on March 27, 2016, 07:14:34 PM
Where does this Virginia choke rank in the history of the NCAA?
Memphis still has them beat in the National Championship as major choke job.
Quote from: Heisenberg on March 27, 2016, 07:14:34 PM
Where does this Virginia choke rank in the history of the NCAA?
Blow off some steam Bennett. Arnold in Commando.
Obviously Va. did not deserve a 2 seed.
Six points, two on free throws, in the last nine minutes will do that. No Cuse turnovers in half. Wow.
Cuse's press was fantastic, rattled Virginia in speeding up their game, turnovers and jacking up threes which were missed.
Freshman Richardson with awesome second half and impressive.
Been worst chokes, but not in Virginia NCAA history.
Go NOVA.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 27, 2016, 07:16:11 PM
Its not even the first or second biggest choke in this tournament.
absolutely, it's behind the UNI meltdown that 99% will forget about in a week
BTW Kevin Harlan: "Back from the dead on Easter Sunday." Cmon...
we laughed but we're not reflective of my alums beliefs
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on March 27, 2016, 05:46:57 PM
In a way Syracuse doing well kind of helps us via the transitive theory. Georgetown St. johns and Wisconsin all beat them. We beat Georgetown St. Johns and Wisconsin. So a modest bit of credibility upgrade for our cause.
So we're pretty damn good this year, eh? Someone ask Crean if we should hang a banner.
Crean sucks
Good comeback for the cuse. They are making the NCAA look like fools. Just saw Bennetts post game. He is a class act. The polar opposite of bo Ryan who proves time and time again that he is a class A a-hole in situations like that.
Who?
What probability do you assign to the idea that JB can now retire with this FF run? That way he can end the "Syracuse crime family"masquerading as a basketball team. Then he can turn it all over the Mike Hopkins.
So they don't do it da right way, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 27, 2016, 07:58:09 PM
So they don't do it da right way, hey?
Syracuse to vacate wins, lose 12 scholarships; Boeheim suspendedBy Matt Norlander | Staff Writer
March 6, 2015 12:17 pm ET
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25095512/syracuse-will-have-to-vacate-wins-lose-12-scholarships-boeheim-suspended-9-games
The NCAA's Committee on Infractions has announced significant punishments against the Syracuse men's basketball program and its longtime, Hall of Fame coach, Jim Boeheim. Boeheim will be suspended for the team's first nine ACC games next season and the school will lose three scholarships per year through 2018-19 as punishment for infractions that occurred with the men's basketball program over the past 10 years.
The trangressions include "academic misconduct," repeated drug violations and a booster doling out cash to Syracuse players and staff members.
"Over the course of a decade, Syracuse University did not control and monitor its athletics programs, and its head men's basketball coach failed to monitor his program," the NCAA's release states.The school and Boeheim will also be forced to vacate its victories "in which ineligible men's basketball students played in 2004-05, 2005-06, 2006-07, 2010-11 and 2011-12." Boeheim won 135 games in those five seasons; 106 of the wins will be taken out of the record books.
His 2012-13 team, which reached the Final Four, was not found in violation of NCAA rules.The NCAA also retroactively fined Syracuse $500 per game for contests that featured an ineligible player.
"The school must return to the NCAA all funds it has received to date through the former Big East Conference revenue sharing for its appearances in the 2011, 2012 and 2013 NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament," according to the NCAAA's release.
The men's basketball and football programs have been placed on five years' probation, which will expire on March 5, 2020. The basketball program will also only be allowed to have two coaching staff members recruit on the road from June 1, 2015 through May 31, 2017.
WSJ article about how Syracuse is a rare underdog everyone hates and will be rooting against.
I guess the forgot Syracuse is only the second dirtiest program in the country ... They will be playing the dirtiest (UNC).
Syracuse: The Unsympathetic Underdog
Previous trips and NCAA sanctions overshadow a surprising Final Four run
http://www.wsj.com/articles/syracuse-the-unsympathetic-underdog-1459291029?mod=e2tw
You'd like to think that this occasion would bring about some soul-searching for the NCAA, but the fact of the matter is—crime pays," says Jay Smith, a history professor at North Carolina and co-author of "Cheated: The UNC Scandal, the Education of Athletes, and the Future of Big-Time College Sports." "These two programs cheated pretty egregiously, yet here they are competing for a national title on a national stage."
Smith said he believes the matchup might actually encourage other schools to break the rules. "While you might have some embarrassment on your hands, you're now seeing that it's not going to be a long-term hindrance on your program."
Interesting factoids ...
The team got off to an 0-4 start in the Atlantic Coast Conference, making it the first team in NCAA history to reach a Final Four after losing its first four games in conference play.
After dropping five of its final six games heading into March Madness, the team's No. 72 ranking in RPI, the metric the NCAA selection committee uses to set the field, was the worst ever for a team that earned an at-large bid. Syracuse's 13 losses this season ties it for the most ever for any Final Four team.
Syracuse is the last team I have standing in a small national title pool that we drafted at the Sweet 16. While I'd win some money on them taking home the title, I'll still be rooting against them. Hate the team, the coach, the cheating, and the flawed system that allowed an undeserving team into the NCAA Tournament. Plain and simple, Syracuse did not have a good enough season to play in the tourney. Screw those smug asshats.
I don't like Carolina or Syracuse. But I have to root for Syracuse because I don't think villanova can beat the heels. Size and depth are too much. Jay has seen that zone often enough to have a plan to attack it.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 30, 2016, 06:21:30 AM
Syracuse is the last team I have standing in a small national title pool that we drafted at the Sweet 16. While I'd win some money on them taking home the title, I'll still be rooting against them. Hate the team, the coach, the cheating, and the flawed system that allowed an undeserving team into the NCAA Tournament. Plain and simple, Syracuse did not have a good enough season to play in the tourney. Screw those smug asshats.
I can't stand the notion that getting to the FF justified Cuse's position in the field. Actually, all it did was prove what massive underachievers they were in the regular season yet they still got rewarded for it because of their name, conference and whiny coach.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 30, 2016, 06:21:30 AM
Syracuse is the last team I have standing in a small national title pool that we drafted at the Sweet 16. While I'd win some money on them taking home the title, I'll still be rooting against them. Hate the team, the coach, the cheating, and the flawed system that allowed an undeserving team into the NCAA Tournament. Plain and simple, Syracuse did not have a good enough season to play in the tourney. Screw those smug asshats.
+1
America's long national nightmare is over .... Syracuse lost.
Remember Syracuse is not a university, it is a criminal organization.