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Title: Bucky or ND?
Post by: LloydsLegs on March 20, 2016, 09:46:45 PM
Discuss.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: KampusFoods on March 20, 2016, 09:47:25 PM
ND. Not close for me.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 20, 2016, 09:47:47 PM
Meteorite.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: MattyWarrior on March 20, 2016, 09:48:03 PM
Really hard,but need bucky to go home and get lost like bo did
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: keefe on March 20, 2016, 09:48:50 PM
ND
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: Warriors10 on March 20, 2016, 09:48:57 PM
And to make matters worse...if Indiana wins the first game
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: Groin_pull on March 20, 2016, 09:49:18 PM
ND
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: tower912 on March 20, 2016, 09:49:26 PM
Isis
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: MUEng92 on March 20, 2016, 09:49:51 PM
I will have to fly my Ireland flag for another week.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: MomofMUltiples on March 20, 2016, 09:50:02 PM
Anyone But Bucky
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 20, 2016, 09:50:16 PM
A nuke
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on March 20, 2016, 09:51:21 PM
And to make matters worse...if Indiana wins the first game

How does that make matters worse?  Knocking out the soon to be on probation UNC academic cheaters would be a great thing for all of college basketball. 

ND, without a doubt, but it will be a very very good game.  I don't think ND has anyone to stop Happ.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: classof2k on March 20, 2016, 09:51:33 PM
Go ND.  A third sweet 16 is bad enough.  Another WI E-8 of F-4 will embolden an already insufferable fanbase.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: brewcity77 on March 20, 2016, 09:52:29 PM
Notre Dame, Notre Dame, a thousand times Notre Dame. I would happily, gleefully take a Notre Dame national title over Wisconsin winning another game.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: Thomas' Danish Delight on March 20, 2016, 09:52:54 PM
Anyone But Bucky

+1 I also would favor Indiana losing.  But if It comes down to WI and IN, then yes, anyone but bucky.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: drewm88 on March 20, 2016, 09:53:39 PM
ND. Not close.

Indiana over Bucky if necessary.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 20, 2016, 10:02:01 PM
These are with no exaggeration, my 4 least favorite teams in college basketball. Throw Syracuse in there as the 5th and this is one of the worst S16 setups ever.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: dgies9156 on March 20, 2016, 10:02:56 PM
Meteorite.

Meteorite with a outer space substance totally deadly to red rodents and sanctimonious Catholic Schools.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: injuryBug on March 20, 2016, 10:05:33 PM
These are with no exaggeration, my 4 least favorite teams in college basketball. Throw Syracuse in there as the 5th and this is one of the worst S16 setups ever.

Me Too
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: mu-rara on March 20, 2016, 10:06:23 PM
Baaaaaadgers must lose.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: 21Jumpstreet on March 20, 2016, 10:08:53 PM
UW.  FND is part of my family's everyday lexicon.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: NickelDimer on March 20, 2016, 10:10:40 PM
Wake up the echoes. And wake them up pissed. I hope it's humiliation.

It's little consolation though. A sweet 16 trip in a 'down year' and we get sub mediocrity
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: GooooMarquette on March 20, 2016, 10:12:25 PM
1.  ISIS beheading everyone on both benches.
2.  Ebola outbreak in arena.
3.  Donald Trump rally.
4.  Hillary pantsuit fashion show.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: bilsu on March 20, 2016, 10:34:05 PM
ND, but I do not think they stand a chance to win.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: Warrior on March 20, 2016, 10:35:01 PM
ND, not even close here.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: BM1090 on March 20, 2016, 10:43:13 PM
ND, but I do not think they stand a chance to win.

KenPom has Wisconsin with a 52% chance of winning.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: JoeSmith1721 on March 20, 2016, 10:43:50 PM
ND and it's not even close.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on March 20, 2016, 10:52:36 PM
KenPom has Wisconsin with a 52% chance of winning.

Ken Pom also issued his top 10 for teams coming back next year.   #8 is Wisconsin.  Someone here said a few weeks ago that they were going to be lousy?  People better wake up.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: WarriorPride68 on March 20, 2016, 10:53:41 PM
I miss the NCAA's  :-\
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on March 20, 2016, 11:00:27 PM
I miss the NCAA's  :-\

We'll be back, and with a cleaner program.  All will be good.  Trajectory is right. 
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: MU_Beav on March 20, 2016, 11:15:16 PM
Irish by a mile.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: brewcity77 on March 20, 2016, 11:38:35 PM
We'll be back, and with a cleaner program.  All will be good.  Trajectory is right.

SMH. You've been back at this constantly of late. Even if Wojo runs things different from Buzz, there's no guarantee it will be cleaner.

Is Duke cleaner? No. No chance, no way Duke is cleaner. They may not get sanctions, but they are obviously not cleaner. The NCAA just turns a blind eye to their blatant infractions.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 21, 2016, 12:03:37 AM
SMH. You've been back at this constantly of late. Even if Wojo runs things different from Buzz, there's no guarantee it will be cleaner.

Is Duke cleaner? No. No chance, no way Duke is cleaner. They may not get sanctions, but they are obviously not cleaner. The NCAA just turns a blind eye to their blatant infractions.

I honestly think Duke is one of the cleaner programs. At least among the blue bloods. Only scandals I can think of was Corey Magette getting money from a booster and that was over 15 years ago. Then there was that duke player who didn't pay a jeweler, I think? Honestly don't remember much about it but thought it was more the player beings stupid than anything having to do with Duke.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: Warriors4ever on March 21, 2016, 12:06:35 AM
There is no one in the East region for me to even think about rooting for.
I hate this year's tournament already.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: Mutaman on March 21, 2016, 12:21:04 AM
There is no one in the East region for me to even think about rooting for.
I hate this year's tournament already.

Actually its a perfect cap to a miserable season.  :'(
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: CountryRoads on March 21, 2016, 12:22:26 AM
Unc is going to the final four anyway. The agony will soon end. That is Until next year when the Badgers start winning again and we have a young team that continues to make dumb mistakes.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on March 21, 2016, 01:01:36 AM
SMH. You've been back at this constantly of late. Even if Wojo runs things different from Buzz, there's no guarantee it will be cleaner.

Is Duke cleaner? No. No chance, no way Duke is cleaner. They may not get sanctions, but they are obviously not cleaner. The NCAA just turns a blind eye to their blatant infractions.

I didn't say clean, I said cleaner.  I think you are absolutely wrong with the NCAA stuff.  I have plenty of friends that work at the NCAA, some of which do not care for Duke personally.  The conspiracy theories about money the NCAA makes on these schools is silly.  When UNC goes on probation, and they will, the NCAA revenues will not take a single hit, because the money is based on TV contracts long since brokered based on the tournament, not who is in the tournament.   

Every program has issues of some sort, no one is denying this.  I know I never have, that's why I didn't say CLEAN.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: Mutaman on March 21, 2016, 01:25:40 AM
I have plenty of friends that work at the NCAA

Chico has more friends than anyone in history.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 21, 2016, 01:51:02 AM
The heat just got turned up a notch on Wojo, with Crean, Gard and ND advancing..fair or not...especially with MU beating Bucky in Madison.  #reality
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: tompopsicle on March 21, 2016, 03:19:14 AM
It looks like Dylan Flood (former walk-on) wants UWM to win this one....Hanging with Frank Kaminsky.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/story/_/id/15030468/frank-kaminsky-lost-bronson-koenig-hit-game-winner-wisconsin-other-social-reaction
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 21, 2016, 05:04:57 AM
Go ND.

I just hope someday our program is as clean as theirs -  40 more lashes and 2 more years until the tourney - we've almost repented enough for even Chicos.

Meanwhile in college basketball...
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: real chili 83 on March 21, 2016, 05:43:05 AM
The Cubs
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: willie warrior on March 21, 2016, 05:58:54 AM
The real irony here is that wisky and no dick are in the sweet 16 and we are sitting on our asses with no dance invite for 3 straight years. With better talent.
Is something rotten in Denmark?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: Groin_pull on March 21, 2016, 06:09:58 AM
KenPom has Wisconsin with a 52% chance of winning.

I fully expect them to beat ND. Would not shock me to see them in another Final Four. And they'll be stronger next year.
Ugh. Think I'll stick with the NBA. Glad I have the Golden St Warriors out here.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: MUWarrior4Life on March 21, 2016, 06:21:19 AM
Neither, they both stink
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: tower912 on March 21, 2016, 07:11:30 AM
If a gun was put to my head and I was forced to choose, I would choose.... The bullet.  Willie, Marquette has talent, but not experience.  The Xavier freshman, Sumner, made the exact kind of play at the end that Marquette fans saw all year.  And even experience is no guarantee, right UNI?

This year's tournament sucks. 
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: SuddenSam on March 21, 2016, 07:27:32 AM
ND, anyone but rodents.  Sumner out of control trying to win the game himself, shouldn't have come down to this.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: MU B2002 on March 21, 2016, 07:33:34 AM
I honestly think Duke is one of the cleaner programs. At least among the blue bloods. Only scandals I can think of was Corey Magette getting money from a booster and that was over 15 years ago. Then there was that duke player who didn't pay a jeweler, I think? Honestly don't remember much about it but thought it was more the player beings stupid than anything having to do with Duke.


Sulaimon at Maryland had some issues at Duke, no? 
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: naginiF on March 21, 2016, 07:37:31 AM
first thing out of my Domer running partners mouth this AM: "you hoping for a nuclear strike Friday?"

I too will pull for ND on Friday but once the game is over it's back to hate.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: bilsu on March 21, 2016, 07:37:56 AM
If a gun was put to my head and I was forced to choose, I would choose.... The bullet.  Willie, Marquette has talent, but not experience.  The Xavier freshman, Sumner, made the exact kind of play at the end that Marquette fans saw all year.  And even experience is no guarantee, right UNI?

This year's tournament sucks.
Would that be on the freshmen or Wojo? That is what i would be asking myself, if that was MU instead of Xavier. It is also what I think about this game. They called timeout to set up that play. The usual thing is to try to get off a shot in time to get an offensive rebound,so in that way the play was understandable. However, a good coach would know that UW likes to try take charges and maybe you do not design a play that feeds into that, especially if you have a freshmen point guard.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on March 21, 2016, 07:41:45 AM
SMH. You've been back at this constantly of late. Even if Wojo runs things different from Buzz, there's no guarantee it will be cleaner.

Is Duke cleaner? No. No chance, no way Duke is cleaner. They may not get sanctions, but they are obviously not cleaner. The NCAA just turns a blind eye to their blatant infractions.

"Clean" in Chicos-speak = white guy with a side part. It goes no deeper than that.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 21, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
Meteorite.

This.  Since it's not going to happen then ND.  Then hope for Indiana after that.

Anyone, but Bucky and the aw shucks North Carolina.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: warriorchick on March 21, 2016, 07:58:14 AM
I couldn't decide, until my cousin, the jerkiest of all jerky Bucky fans, posted this as his Facebook status:

"F*ck Xavier.  UW is the undisputed champion of college basketball in Wisconsin.  If Marquette wants to be competitive, they need to drop down to Division II".

That may not be word-for-word.  I immediately unfriended him after I read this post, so I am quoting it from memory.

Go Irish.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: warriorchick on March 21, 2016, 08:00:45 AM
It looks like Dylan Flood (former walk-on) wants UWM to win this one....Hanging with Frank Kaminsky.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/story/_/id/15030468/frank-kaminsky-lost-bronson-koenig-hit-game-winner-wisconsin-other-social-reaction

Frank and Dylan played on the same high school team, so it is no real surprise they are hanging out together.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: rocket surgeon on March 21, 2016, 08:11:43 AM
i had X going to the semi's/championship game and losing to oklahoma in one of my brackets.  ND like udub, are overachievers and have chips on their shoulders.  i hate the red trash talk as much as anyone, but i grew up hating ND(remember the notre who t-shirts and doc hitting the 1/2 court buzzer-beater? :) :) :)) more than udub.  ya know, the how do ya know one is an ND alum thingy...well, now it's a state pride thing.  i can slough off the d!cks who want to use this to compare us vs them-let'em gloat-the more ya push back, the more they hang around-bottom line-looking for TD Jesus to weep
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: MU82 on March 21, 2016, 08:12:17 AM
As much as it will sicken me, I have to agree with those who say ND.

1. We still play Wisconsin and we recruit a ton against Wisconsin. Ipso fatso, Bucky is a real rival as opposed to ND, which is too chicken$hit to play us.

2. As obnoxious as Domers can be, they are way behind Bucky on the douche scale in recent years.

On a related note ...

While I am not among the Crean haters here, I don't really think I want him to make a FF appearance with the team he left us for. And I am an NC resident now, so I think I'll be rooting for the Tar Heels. That's a tough choice, though, because I have lost a lot of respect for Roy, dadgum it.

Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 21, 2016, 08:23:28 AM
The heat just got turned up a notch on Wojo, with Crean, Gard and ND advancing..fair or not...especially with MU beating Bucky in Madison.  #reality

Who turned up the heat? Hopefully no one important because that would be insanely irrational
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: Earl Tatum on March 21, 2016, 08:24:28 AM
I Hate to say it--where is Marquette-- HOME-- with our cupcake schedule. If we we want to play ball,
go to D-2. I backed MU since 1966 and STILL DO. I know schedules are made in advance. We have a very good player to show off and we schedule lightweights. Wonder what Henry, Hanni and the team think, Wisco is getting lots of ink and they deserve it. But one thought, this group was recruited
by Ryan, will see what Gard does with his recruits. 

Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 21, 2016, 08:25:27 AM
And even experience is no guarantee, right UNI?

Tamu starts four seniors.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: GGGG on March 21, 2016, 08:33:29 AM
I Hate to say it--where is Marquette-- HOME-- with our cupcake schedule. If we we want to play ball,
go to D-2. I backed MU since 1966 and STILL DO. I know schedules are made in advance. We have a very good player to show off and we schedule lightweights. Wonder what Henry, Hanni and the team think, Wisco is getting lots of ink and they deserve it. But one thought, this group was recruited
by Ryan, will see what Gard does with his recruits. 




Marquette isn't home due to its cupcake schedule.  It is home because they weren't good enough.  Case in point...Marquette lost three times to the team that UW beat last night.  It's as simple as that.  Marquette just has to get better.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: Eldon on March 21, 2016, 08:47:01 AM
Who turned up the heat? Hopefully no one important because that would be insanely irrational

Irrational or not, it's hard to disagree.  I watched a few games over the weekend and couldn't help but think to myself: "cmon, Wojo! MU should be there."

Yes, yes, I know, "Bazz left an empty cupboard," "too much inexperience" "the assistants need to speak up more" "blah blah blah"
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: GGGG on March 21, 2016, 08:50:26 AM
Irrational or not, it's hard to disagree.  I watched a few games over the weekend and couldn't help but think to myself: "cmon, Wojo! MU should be there."

Yes, yes, I know, "Bazz left an empty cupboard," "too much inexperience" "the assistants need to speak up more" "blah blah blah"




It is irrational and all based on recency bias.

Had UW and ND lost in the first round, would there have been less heat on Wojo?  Of course not.  A lot of over-reaction here.  Wojo has work to do.  He knows it.  We know it.  Regardless of the outcomes over the next couple of weeks, that doesn't change. 
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on March 21, 2016, 09:08:39 AM
"Clean" in Chicos-speak = white guy with a side part. It goes no deeper than that.

You are an idiot and a racist.  Congratulations
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: KenoshaWarrior on March 21, 2016, 09:11:42 AM
We'll be back, and with a cleaner program.  All will be good.  Trajectory is right.

We wont be back for years.  No henry next year. You dont live here and you dont know what this is like. You can be patient because you dont see how much air the badgers take out of this state
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: KenoshaWarrior on March 21, 2016, 09:14:07 AM
"Clean" in Chicos-speak = white guy with a side part. It goes no deeper than that.

+10000
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on March 21, 2016, 09:15:44 AM
We wont be back for years.  No henry next year. You dont live here and you dont know what this is like. You can be patient because you dont see how much air the badgers take out of this state

You have been wrong so many times over the years on your predictions Nate, I'm just chalking this one up as another one.  Stay in the fetal position all you want.   By the way, LSU's Simmons declared for the NBA draft today....you know, the same LSU that you guaranteed would be in the NCAA tournament only a few weeks ago....another example of you being wildly wrong.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: naginiF on March 21, 2016, 09:23:09 AM
I Hate to say it--where is Marquette-- HOME-- with our cupcake schedule. If we we want to play ball,
go to D-2.
I backed MU since 1966 and STILL DO. I know schedules are made in advance. We have a very good player to show off and we schedule lightweights. Wonder what Henry, Hanni and the team think, Wisco is getting lots of ink and they deserve it. But one thought, this group was recruited
by Ryan, will see what Gard does with his recruits. 

Are you WarriorChick's jerky cousin on your Mom or Dad's side?
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on March 21, 2016, 09:27:47 AM

Sulaimon at Maryland had some issues at Duke, no?

Yup, and he was booted from the team.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: MU82 on March 21, 2016, 09:36:38 AM

Case in point...Marquette lost three times to the team that UW beat last night. 

Yes, but Marquette did win on the road to the team that beat X last night.

I actually agree with your posts in this thread, Sultan, but the wise guy in me had to point that out!
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: KenoshaWarrior on March 21, 2016, 10:14:19 AM
You have been wrong so many times over the years on your predictions Nate, I'm just chalking this one up as another one.  Stay in the fetal position all you want.   By the way, LSU's Simmons declared for the NBA draft today....you know, the same LSU that you guaranteed would be in the NCAA tournament only a few weeks ago....another example of you being wildly wrong.

Yup i was wrong. They too will be awful next year
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on March 21, 2016, 10:31:14 AM
You are an idiot and a racist.  Congratulations

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: brewcity77 on March 21, 2016, 11:04:46 AM
I didn't say clean, I said cleaner.  I think you are absolutely wrong with the NCAA stuff.  I have plenty of friends that work at the NCAA, some of which do not care for Duke personally.  The conspiracy theories about money the NCAA makes on these schools is silly.  When UNC goes on probation, and they will, the NCAA revenues will not take a single hit, because the money is based on TV contracts long since brokered based on the tournament, not who is in the tournament.   

Every program has issues of some sort, no one is denying this.  I know I never have, that's why I didn't say CLEAN.

Where was the NCAA when Corey Maggette admitted to taking $200K from a booster? Or when Chris Duhon's mom got a job from a booster? Or the Lance Thomas jewelry scandal?

Does any of this make them any worse than the other myriad scandals that go on in the NCAA? No, probably not. But they certainly aren't any better or any cleaner.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 21, 2016, 11:21:57 AM
Yup, and he was booted from the team.

Over two years and a couple of victims, the Duke AD finally acted, despite officials being very aware of these incidents. Squirmy.

http://www.dukechronicle.com/article/2015/03/rasheed-sulaimon-center-sexual-assault-allegations-prior-dismissal
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on March 21, 2016, 11:25:58 AM
Screw both of them.  But for purposes of this question, ND over Bucky.  I can't believe Koenig hit both those shots.

But then ND to get pummeled in the next game.  ND blows.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: MUfan12 on March 21, 2016, 11:31:40 AM
I'll hold my nose and root for ND. Unfortunately, not playing them anymore takes some of the venom out of me towards them.

I do think they're a tougher matchup for UW in some ways than Xavier was. ND won't be as reliant on pushing tempo.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: DienerTime34 on March 21, 2016, 11:34:57 AM
There is no recent history with ND that inspires me to root against them. I'm over the 70s. The Bucky coverage is already insufferable this morning and will only get worse the more they win. ND all day.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: Groin_pull on March 21, 2016, 11:56:15 AM
There is no recent history with ND that inspires me to root against them. I'm over the 70s. The Bucky coverage is already insufferable this morning and will only get worse the more they win. ND all day.

Do you live in Wisconsin? Man, it must be unbearable there.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: Warrior Code on March 21, 2016, 11:59:23 AM
This is the worst. Just needs Louisville to complete the misery. Anyone but Bucky.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 21, 2016, 12:08:07 PM
Neither team is all that good.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 21, 2016, 12:24:06 PM
Where was the NCAA when Corey Maggette admitted to taking $200K from a booster? Or when Chris Duhon's mom got a job from a booster? Or the Lance Thomas jewelry scandal?

Does any of this make them any worse than the other myriad scandals that go on in the NCAA? No, probably not. But they certainly aren't any better or any cleaner.

I didn't hear about Duhon's mom, but Magette was over 15 years ago, and I while I don't remember it exactly, I think Lance Thomas was an idiot but the program didn't have much to do with it. As blue bloods go, Duke is squeaky clean.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 21, 2016, 12:29:11 PM
Over two years and a couple of victims, the Duke AD finally acted, despite officials being very aware of these incidents. Squirmy.

http://www.dukechronicle.com/article/2015/03/rasheed-sulaimon-center-sexual-assault-allegations-prior-dismissal

I'm not fully aware of the details of the situation, but a player cannot be dismissed for merely being accused. You have to let the university do a full investigation and the student must be found responsible. Now the fact that it took that long to complete an investigation is questionable. DOE requires Title IX investigations be concluded within 60 days of a report being made.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: breadtree on March 21, 2016, 12:42:35 PM
Where was the NCAA when Corey Maggette admitted to taking $200K from a booster? Or when Chris Duhon's mom got a job from a booster? Or the Lance Thomas jewelry scandal?

Does any of this make them any worse than the other myriad scandals that go on in the NCAA? No, probably not. But they certainly aren't any better or any cleaner.

Maggette didn't take money from a booster, he took money from an AAU coach not affiliated with Duke and he did so before attending Duke.  That same AAU guy gave money who to players who ended up at Missouri, UCLA, and Oklahoma State.  None of those schools were punished.  The NCAA decided that there was no evidence to suggest Duke knew about these payments.  Pretty simple really.

The Lance Thomas jewelry scandal was that he had some really expensive jewelry.  The NCAA investigated and couldn't find anything.  There was no actual evidence of Thomas being paid by someone he shouldn't have.  I agree that it's really, really fishy, but the main players in that case were no longer affiliated with the NCAA and couldn't be forced to comply with requests for info.

I don't know anything about the Duhon case, but jobs for parents happens all the time.  Unfortunately it's not against the rules.  I'll give you a guess as to which 4 years Mario Chalmers's dad was the Director of Basketball Operations at Kansas.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: GooooMarquette on March 21, 2016, 12:45:12 PM
I'm not fully aware of the details of the situation, but a player cannot be dismissed for merely being accused. You have to let the university do a full investigation and the student must be found responsible. Now the fact that it took that long to complete an investigation is questionable. DOE requires Title IX investigations be concluded within 60 days of a report being made.

I certainly don't understand the ins and outs of Title IX...but what about the countless times we have heard of players being dismissed from teams for unspecified "violations of team rules"?  I'd assume most of those dismissals didn't take place after full university investigations.  So what it the coach decides that one of his rules is not getting into a situation that leads to a Title IX investigation?
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: #UnleashSean on March 21, 2016, 12:59:44 PM
Wasn't their a post on muscoop last year that labelled who we would root for in what situations? I remember at the very bottom in the worst case scenario it was Wisconsin Vs Notre Dame in the Ncaa tournament. The only possible happy outcome was a meteor blowing up the stadium I believe.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 21, 2016, 01:00:20 PM
I certainly don't understand the ins and outs of Title IX...but what about the countless times we have heard of players being dismissed from teams for unspecified "violations of team rules"?  I'd assume most of those dismissals didn't take place after full university investigations.  So what it the coach decides that one of his rules is not getting into a situation that leads to a Title IX investigation?

I can't speak for every situation but if a player were to be dismissed from a team and lose his basketball scholarship before being found responsible for a Title IX violation, the Department of Education would be in there so fast your head would spin. Title IX grants equal protection to both complainants and accused students. You can't punish someone just for being accused. You can make "reasonable intermediate measures" which includes things like changing the accused's class schedule or on campus living situation (usually to make sure the accused and complainant won't end up seeing each other). Losing an athletic scholarship would not be reasonable.

When players are dismissed for "unspecified violation of team rules" it is code for kid was expelled for either not making academic requirements or breaking university rules. These dismissals don't happen until the whole investigation process is followed. The university can NEVER announce what team rule was broken. A students conduct and academic record is protect by the Family Education Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA). The only reason we know about Suliamon and Jameis Winston type situations is because somehow the media got a hold of the story. Sometime schools don't even announce when a player is dismissed. They just let him quietly transfer or go pro.

A coach could choose to permanently bench a player accused of sexual assault. That's definitely ok. But the player would still benefit from his scholarship. But I don't think much coaches would do that. I assume Suliamon swore up and down to Coach K that he was innocent. What message does it send if a coach punishes a player just for an accusation? The real squirm lies with Maryland for taking the kid knowing what he was kicked out of Duke for.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: keefe on March 21, 2016, 01:53:34 PM
(FERPA)

FERPA? Is that like FUPA before shaving started?
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: Herman Cain on March 21, 2016, 01:55:09 PM
I am for Wisconsin over ND. ND is arrogant and obnoxious , and Wojo is most likely competing for talent with them. So I would prefer not to see them do well. I was in seventh heaven when they had the Gerry Faust era in football and when guys like Charlie Weis left town with tail between their legs. Finally ND is not interested in scheduling with us.

Also I believe there is a modest benefit to Marquette when the Badgers do well. The UW game is a locked in game on our schedule, and for the most part the kids we are recruiting are not necessarily going to be exited to play in the UW format.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 21, 2016, 02:09:17 PM
FERPA? Is that like FUPA before shaving started?

Nearly googled it. Then remembered it was Keefe and realized I wouldn't like what was on the other side of that search button
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: tompopsicle on March 21, 2016, 02:49:59 PM
Frank and Dylan played on the same high school team, so it is no real surprise they are hanging out together.

Didn't realize that. Thanks!
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: KampusFoods on March 21, 2016, 03:05:53 PM
Frank and Dylan played on the same high school team, so it is no real surprise they are hanging out together.

Last I heard Flood lives with Kaminsky in Charlotte and works for him in some capacity.

traitor
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: KenoshaWarrior on March 21, 2016, 03:20:13 PM
I fully expect them to beat ND. Would not shock me to see them in another Final Four. And they'll be stronger next year.
Ugh. Think I'll stick with the NBA. Glad I have the Golden St Warriors out here.

Yea i have attended 3 times as many bucks games as Marq games since the wojo era began
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 21, 2016, 03:47:59 PM
Yea i have attended 3 times as many bucks games as Marq games since the wojo era began

So you're a fairweather fan. With Marquette when they are winning and the Bucks suck and switch it when they switch spots.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: KenoshaWarrior on March 21, 2016, 03:50:21 PM
So you're a fairweather fan. With Marquette when they are winning and the Bucks suck and switch it when they switch spots.

Yup. Marquette doesn't get dollar when the product sucks. Just like my favorite lunch counter wouldnt get my dollar if their burgers went down in quality
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 21, 2016, 03:53:10 PM
Yup. Marquette doesn't get dollar when the product sucks. Just like my favorite lunch counter wouldnt get my dollar if their burgers went down in quality

Wow. You might be the first openly proud fairweather fan I have ever met. No wonder you identify so much with Wisconsin fans! You bandwagon with the best of them!
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: KenoshaWarrior on March 21, 2016, 04:00:05 PM
Wow. You might be the first openly proud fairweather fan I have ever met. No wonder you identify so much with Wisconsin fans! You bandwagon with the best of them!
Im a fair weather attender. Not a fair weather fan. I still watched every game on tv unless i was moonlighting
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: BM1090 on March 21, 2016, 04:00:59 PM
Yup. Marquette doesn't get dollar when the product sucks. Just like my favorite lunch counter wouldnt get my dollar if their burgers went down in quality

The Bucks are, relatively speaking, at least as bad as Marquette was this year.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: KenoshaWarrior on March 21, 2016, 04:02:57 PM
The Bucks are, relatively speaking, at least as bad as Marquette was this year.
But an nba game is way faster and the bucks best players arent leaving this year
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: Groin_pull on March 21, 2016, 05:21:55 PM
Wow. You might be the first openly proud fairweather fan I have ever met. No wonder you identify so much with Wisconsin fans! You bandwagon with the best of them!

Do they give out medals for stubbornly sticking with a team—whether they suck or not? Sorry, but my time and entertainment dollars are precious. Not wasting either on an inferior product.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: Groin_pull on March 21, 2016, 05:23:22 PM
But an nba game is way faster and the bucks best players arent leaving this year

Plus, there are a lot of marquee opponents that come through town.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 21, 2016, 09:44:43 PM
Do they give out medals for stubbornly sticking with a team—whether they suck or not? Sorry, but my time and entertainment dollars are precious. Not wasting either on an inferior product.

I guess I don't understand. There are different kinds of fans and that's OK. I never felt like my fanhood was dependent on the team doing well. I've never felt like I was owed anything for my support. Seems kind of arrogant to me honestly. They aren't my team because they are good, they are my team because they are my team. Maybe it's because I'm Catholic, suffering strengthens faith, lol
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: MU82 on March 21, 2016, 09:52:19 PM
ND is arrogant and obnoxious , and Wojo is most likely competing for talent with them.

You haven't been paying attention to recruiting the last few years, have you?
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: Herman Cain on March 21, 2016, 10:02:34 PM
You haven't been paying attention to recruiting the last few years, have you?
[/quote
ND Northwestern and MU were the finalists for Gabe Levin.

MU was competing with ND for Matt Ryan.

ND is an ACC team and Wojo is going to be fishing in those same pools.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: keefe on March 21, 2016, 10:03:00 PM
Maybe it's because I'm Catholic, suffering strengthens faith

I'm Anglican which is rather the same as the Roman Church but we don't layer on the guilt. I think it may be the whole stiff upper lip fortified by a stiff drink thing that allowed the Church of England to soldier on
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: Loose Cannon on March 21, 2016, 10:18:59 PM
Yea i have attended 3 times as many bucks games as Marq games since the wojo era began

I'm Happy for ya
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: Loose Cannon on March 21, 2016, 11:11:21 PM
Do they give out medals for stubbornly sticking with a team—whether they suck or not? Sorry, but my time and entertainment dollars are precious. Not wasting either on an inferior product.

With your approach, I think you're an observer, not my idea of a fan.  Its like saying, I spent time and money to get here, so please entertain me.

A fan invests your 2 things plus a part of his Heart...Memory...Brain...and a lot of Love.

Try it you might get Hooked.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on March 23, 2016, 08:08:31 AM
Yea i have attended 3 times as many bucks games as Marq games since the wojo era began

So not only are you a poor speller and lack logic, you are bad with money, too.  That's a tough blow.

Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: Dawson Rental on March 23, 2016, 08:24:59 AM
Isis

Awesone!
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: Dawson Rental on March 23, 2016, 08:27:43 AM
+1 I also would favor Indiana losing.  But if It comes down to WI and IN, then yes, anyone but bucky.

I'd kinda like to see Indiana in the final four.  I'd really like to see how their fan base would deal with a blowout loss in their first game there.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: Groin_pull on March 23, 2016, 08:28:35 AM
With your approach, I think you're an observer, not my idea of a fan.  Its like saying, I spent time and money to get here, so please entertain me.

A fan invests your 2 things plus a part of his Heart...Memory...Brain...and a lot of Love.

Try it you might get Hooked.

I don't pass your test to qualify as a "true fan?" The horror.  I'll just have to live with that somehow.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: Loose Cannon on March 24, 2016, 04:00:31 PM
I don't pass your test to qualify as a "true fan?" The horror.  I'll just have to live with that somehow.

Yep, the bottom line is Ya pay your money and be yourself.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 25, 2016, 07:49:45 PM
Happ is spankin' Auguste, ai na?
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: forgetful on March 25, 2016, 07:59:22 PM
I don't understand officiating.  There is a rule emphasis that if you put two hands on the offense, it is an automatic foul.  UW does that on every single possession multiple times.  Never called.

They get away with more fouls than any team in the Nation.  It is as if they say, we're going to foul constantly, we dare you to foul out our entire team.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: real chili 83 on March 25, 2016, 08:04:39 PM
They are tied

Meteorite time.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 25, 2016, 08:07:00 PM
And Showalter was a preferred walk-on, hey?
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: real chili 83 on March 25, 2016, 08:15:46 PM
I have a house full of Bucky inlaws. Please redirect meteor to my coordinates.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 25, 2016, 08:24:08 PM
Hate to say it but...

Ethan Happ > Luke Fischer (though not with 5 fouls, but Luke probably found a way to get his 5th in the offseason already)
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: naginiF on March 25, 2016, 08:26:16 PM
Hate to say it but...

Ethan Happ > Luke Fischer (though not with 5 fouls, but Luke probably found a way to get his 5th in the offseason already)
you sure you "hate to say it"?  because if you did, you wouldn't have taken the time to pick on Luke
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: Oldgym on March 25, 2016, 08:27:59 PM
Another f*****g clutch 3. Every damn game.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 25, 2016, 08:29:28 PM
HA. Nigel with the choke.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 25, 2016, 08:31:47 PM
was a team loss.  They had it.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: naginiF on March 25, 2016, 08:32:36 PM
Thank god!  and now back to our regularly scheduled hate fore ND (but forever grateful)
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 25, 2016, 08:33:09 PM
Sh!t.  One of the teams won.  I was hoping that wouldn't happen.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 25, 2016, 08:33:19 PM
Bucky passed down their legs onto the bed they crapped in.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: GooooMarquette on March 25, 2016, 08:33:26 PM
Bucky sucks.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: nyg on March 25, 2016, 08:33:32 PM
Happ is spankin' Auguste, ai na?

Really, Auguste with 13/12 and made two clutch free throws.  Also hustled for the ball that Happ got 5th foul.  Yes, Happ had 14/12, but Auguste was not spanked in any sense of your words. 

Otherwise great game compared to all the other blowouts. 
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: forgetful on March 25, 2016, 08:33:45 PM
Hate to say it but...

Ethan Happ > Luke Fischer (though not with 5 fouls, but Luke probably found a way to get his 5th in the offseason already)

What if they called fouls on Happ as tight as they do on Fischer?  Happ wouldn't make it to the first media timeout. 

Also, really smart play by Jackson for Notre Dame.  He knew they were going to try to call timeout as soon as he came across half court, so he went for the steal as Koenig let his guard down.  Smart play.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 25, 2016, 08:34:52 PM
Otherwise great game compared to all the other blowouts.

Felt like a first round game with two bad teams. 
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: forgetful on March 25, 2016, 08:35:36 PM

Otherwise great game compared to all the other blowouts.

I disagree on the great game.  It was terrible basketball.  The UW (and often ND) way is to junk up the game as much as possible.  Make it dirty and ugly for 36 minutes to give yourself a shooters chance in the last 4.

Was hoping for the meteorite, but I'll take this outcome.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 25, 2016, 08:36:13 PM
All year long Bucky fans have been complaining about Koeing's sloppy ball handling.  He literally gave it away twice in the last 30 or so seconds.

I can see what they are talking about.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 25, 2016, 08:36:23 PM
you sure you "hate to say it"?  because if you did, you wouldn't have taken the time to pick on Luke

Meant more to compliment Happ than trash Luke. Hate to say it simply because it highlighted for me - for the first time because I pretty much wear blue & gold glasses all the time - Luke's limitations. Hope he comes back next year with a face the basket game like Happ has. Luke, if you're reading, not meant to "pick on" you.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on March 25, 2016, 08:36:36 PM
Bucky passed down their legs onto the bed they crapped in.

Choking dogs
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: MattyWarrior on March 25, 2016, 08:37:10 PM
So glad Bucky shat the bed,sick of hearing about how good they are and will be next year.
At least Gard had a lot of class at the end congratulating ND players at midcourt,unlike BO.....
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 25, 2016, 08:40:43 PM
Crean sucks
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: CountryRoads on March 25, 2016, 08:54:15 PM
Congrats to Wisconsin on an incredible Cinderella season to the sweet sixteen. In all honesty, that team had no business being in the tournament. They beat up on a weak big ten who most likely will have zero teams in the elite eight. UW might have been the worst sweet sixteen team I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on March 25, 2016, 08:57:04 PM
Great. Thankfully Bucky is out. Now, F ND.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on March 25, 2016, 08:58:30 PM
Congrats to Wisconsin on an incredible Cinderella season to the sweet sixteen. In all honesty, that team had no business being in the tournament. They beat up on a weak big ten who most likely will have zero teams in the elite eight. UW might have been the worst sweet sixteen team I've ever seen.

They deserved to be in the tournament.  They were a bonehead play away from being in the Elite 8.  They got their act together after a tough start when Valentino was messing around on them.   Experienced team.

This was a down year for the Big Ten because the bottom teams weren't great, but the top teams were still pretty good and Wisconsin managed to knock off some of the better teams. 
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: MU82 on March 25, 2016, 11:28:19 PM
I got the results I wanted but I will admit that I couldn't really "root" for ND. I just couldn't do it.

But I was happy to see Bucky choke like dogs.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: LAZER on March 25, 2016, 11:58:27 PM
[quote author=ChicosBailBonds link=topic=51224.msg821103#msg821103 date=1458957510

This was a down year for the Big Ten because the bottom teams weren't great, but the top teams were still pretty good and Wisconsin managed to knock off some of the better teams.
[/quote]
Eh I think the Big Ten was down overall, nothing special at the top this year besides MSU.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: tower912 on March 26, 2016, 07:17:09 AM
I didn't want to watch the game, but when I flipped to it I found myself rooting against Bucky more than I was rooting against ND.    I felt unclean. 
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: real chili 83 on March 26, 2016, 07:21:39 AM
I think Legs owes us all a beer for starting this thread. The mental anguish is definitely compensable.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: GooooMarquette on March 26, 2016, 10:17:08 AM
I didn't want to watch the game, but when I flipped to it I found myself rooting against Bucky more than I was rooting against ND.    I felt unclean.

Ha - same here!  I mostly watched the other game, especially when I saw Bucky was ahead.  I'd flip back when I saw ND had made a run, and then watched the last couple of minutes.  At the end, I was more happy to see that Bucky had choked than that ND made good plays.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 26, 2016, 05:26:06 PM
Any Jesuits on Scoop, maybe give us all absolution for cheering for ND?
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: keefe on March 26, 2016, 06:38:22 PM
All is right with the world when both Wisconsin and Tanned Tommy crash and burn within minutes of each other.

I love Jim Harbaugh but seeing him in an IU shirt cheapens him in my estimation.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: bilsu on March 26, 2016, 07:01:13 PM
I wonder how many of you that cannot stand Notre Dame are from the Chicago area? I do not run into many Notre Dame grads in Sheboygan and the few I do do meet do not follow them in basketball.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: The Process on March 26, 2016, 07:09:26 PM
Was quite happy to see ND win last night.

Related: Can Deadspin get back to what they know about Bo and UW, now that their season is over?

I'd say sorry, Heisenberg, but I'm not.
Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: LloydsLegs on March 27, 2016, 08:23:39 AM
I think Legs owes us all a beer for starting this thread. The mental anguish is definitely compensable.

Guilty and happy to oblige! Worth it.

Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: rocket surgeon on March 27, 2016, 09:21:54 AM
I wonder how many of you that cannot stand Notre Dame are from the Chicago area? I do not run into many Notre Dame grads in Sheboygan and the few I do do meet do not follow them in basketball.

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Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: willie warrior on March 27, 2016, 10:04:10 AM
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Title: Re: Bucky or ND?
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 27, 2016, 10:05:55 AM
Part of me actually would like the old BE taking it to the ACC tonight.