I have a UWM Alum friend that went to the game and said that "UWM could draw more on a Monday." I know this is proposterous but I need some hard evidence. Does anyone know where they log attendance? I checked the wiki but didn't see anything.
Thanks!
Paid attendance was 13133, there were not that many in the building though, I would guess 9000 in attendance
Quote from: spartan3186 on December 18, 2007, 08:59:42 AM
Paid attendance was 13133, there were not that many in the building though, I would guess 9000 in attendance
So I guess UWM could draw that many.....if they were playing Wisconsin-Madison.
Quote from: larrym on December 18, 2007, 09:10:16 AM
Quote from: spartan3186 on December 18, 2007, 08:59:42 AM
Paid attendance was 13133, there were not that many in the building though, I would guess 9000 in attendance
So I guess UWM could draw that many.....if they were playing Wisconsin-Madison.
AT MADISON
I have season tix but couldn't make and gave the seats to my nephews and watched it on TV. The announcers were brutal, Nix the color guy, nothing colorful about that guy, was Mr. cliche and "no question about it" all night long. In the future if you are thinking of not going to the game because it is on TV do not make that mistake if it is a Time Warner production with Krause and Nix doing the game, go to the game so you don't have to listen to those 2.
Krause kept making references to Nix that he had a lot of exposure to Crean and the program, does this guy have anything to do with the program, hopefully he isn't a professor in the broadcast journalism curriculum.
Attendance is logged in two types of places:
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/season_by_season_attendance
.. And each game has a box score with the att figure.
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/sacstate_12_15_07
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/ipfw_12_17_07
etc.
If this was a conference game and we only drew 9,000 that might raise some eyebrows, but not for this game. I think 9,000 for cupcake non-conference game, on a monday night when students are on break is actually pretty good. Students are on break, right?
Thanks Hilltopper... I didn't see it the first glance. Considering the "Cell" only holds 12,700 that is all the evidence I need.
I was there last night. The upper bowl was practically empty. But again, It was Monday, the kids are on break, it was really cold, and we were playing IPFW. I see absolutely no reason for concern.
yeah, students are on break, plus many dont care to see mu mollywhomp on some team who's name is an acronym for which nobody knows.
yes, the campus is a barren wasteland. There are some undergrads that choose to stay in Mashuda's guest wing instead of going home but for the most part, there aren't any frosh or sophs on campus and a large number of upperclassmen are gone as well. There are never many students at these games over break. MU does provide buses for the conference games over break that leave from Woodfield and Foxvalley Malls. So then at least we can get those people that don't want to drive but still want to come and see a game to show up.
It looked pretty deserted from what I saw on tv. It looked like about half of the lower level of the student section was filled and there were a few courtside seats empty. Break is a big factor, but the opponent has most to do with it. You'll see when the student section is full and overall attendance is nearing a sellout for Providence, even though that's still during break.
For a poor-quality broadcast, I didn't think the announcers were terrible. I know I've had to listen to worse. But did anyone else experience the sound cutting in and out for a couple seconds at a time throughout the entire game? Much more annoying than the announcers.
Quote from: thisists on December 18, 2007, 10:11:07 AM
yeah, students are on break, plus many dont care to see mu mollywhomp on some team who's name is an acronym for which nobody knows.
I didn't see that Wisconsin had this level of no-shows versus IPFW.
Quote from: Marquette84 on December 18, 2007, 12:00:04 PM
Quote from: thisists on December 18, 2007, 10:11:07 AM
yeah, students are on break, plus many dont care to see mu mollywhomp on some team who's name is an acronym for which nobody knows.
I didn't see that Wisconsin had this level of no-shows versus IPFW.
In fairness to the Fanatics, Wisconsin also played them when school was in session.
Quote from: Marquette84 on December 18, 2007, 12:00:04 PM
Quote from: thisists on December 18, 2007, 10:11:07 AM
yeah, students are on break, plus many dont care to see mu mollywhomp on some team who's name is an acronym for which nobody knows.
I didn't see that Wisconsin had this level of no-shows versus IPFW.
Were you actually there or are you just guessing?
Like the previous poster said, it was also while school was in session. MU's student population is much more important to our actual attendance figures than UW's as they only have about 2000 student tickets and the rest are season ticket holders.
Further, as UW and UWM found out, getting big crowds in Milwaukee is just not as easy as it is in Madison. There is more going on here. The Badgers are the only show in town in Madison for the most part. Also consider the disparity in the number of UW alums/fans vs. MU alums/fans.
Think about this for a second - when UW played UWM in Milwaukee, they had smaller attendance than the game last night.
Nice try though.
Quote from: ToddPacker on December 18, 2007, 01:08:20 PM
Quote from: Marquette84 on December 18, 2007, 12:00:04 PM
Quote from: thisists on December 18, 2007, 10:11:07 AM
yeah, students are on break, plus many dont care to see mu mollywhomp on some team who's name is an acronym for which nobody knows.
I didn't see that Wisconsin had this level of no-shows versus IPFW.
Were you actually there or are you just guessing?
Like the previous poster said, it was also while school was in session. MU's student population is much more important to our actual attendance figures than UW's as they only have about 2000 student tickets and the rest are season ticket holders.
Further, as UW and UWM found out, getting big crowds in Milwaukee is just not as easy as it is in Madison. There is more going on here. The Badgers are the only show in town in Madison for the most part. Also consider the disparity in the number of UW alums/fans vs. MU alums/fans.
Think about this for a second - when UW played UWM in Milwaukee, they had smaller attendance than the game last night.
Nice try though.
This was the point. Somebody tried to make the assertion that the opponent was a bigger factor than students not being on campus.
For us to have so many no-shows when UW didn't means one of two things:
1. School being in session is the primary factor in determining no-shows.
2. MU fans are more likely than Wisconsin fans to make the opponent the primary factor deciding whether or not to attend a game.
I would like to think it's the former, but I'm afraid it's the latter.
Some people may have also gone to the women's game at the Al. They played Northwestern at the same time as the men's game. Just a thought.
Here's the thing, UW-Madison sold out all of its games before the season even started, therefore, it's pretty easy to deduce that the demand for tickets exceeds the supply. So, if a UW season ticket holder is not going to use their season tickets (a distinct possibility for crappy non-conference teams like IPFW), they can easily be sold on Stubhub to somebody who was not able to buy season tickets and would be happy to see ANY game that UW plays. There is a ready market for tickets that would go unused for games UW plays versus crap teams. There isn't for MU, because not all season tickets are sold out. A person who wants to see us play IPFW can just but a single ticket the day of the game.
I don't think UW's fans are better or that they make decisions differently than our fans. They simply have a greater alumni base to draw from, which means non-season ticket holders will buy tickets that season ticket holders don't want.
Quote from: Wareagle on December 18, 2007, 04:02:32 PM
Here's the thing, UW-Madison sold out all of its games before the season even started, therefore, it's pretty easy to deduce that the demand for tickets exceeds the supply. So, if a UW season ticket holder is not going to use their season tickets (a distinct possibility for crappy non-conference teams like IPFW), they can easily be sold on Stubhub to somebody who was not able to buy season tickets and would be happy to see ANY game that UW plays. There is a ready market for tickets that would go unused for games UW plays versus crap teams. There isn't for MU, because not all season tickets are sold out. A person who wants to see us play IPFW can just but a single ticket the day of the game.
Have you ever been to the Kohl Center or know how many people it seats compared to the Bradley Center? They have far less tickets to sell in order to sell out a game than Marquette does at the Bradley Center because the Bradley Center is MUCH bigger. Plus, I would be willing to bet that although they may have sold out every game before the season started, not every seat is filled for every game at the Kohl Center. I know Fanatic Tickets are sold out for the season, meaning that if everyone who had a Fanatic ticket went to every game, every single seat in the sections designated for Fanatic tickets would be filled, but that is not the case. Just because a person has a ticket doesn't mean they always go, and that does not hold true just at Marquette, I'd be willing to bet that holds true at every school.
I wouldn't say the BC is MUCH bigger than the KC. The BC holds 18,600 for basketball. The KC holds 17,190.
FWIW I think the badgermaniacs were having a similar discussion not too long ago about students not showing up and using their tickets while school was in session.
Doesn't MU have more student season tix than UW?
Wouldn't that alone lead to more no-shows when school isn't in session (more students not showing up)?
Also, do more kids who go to UW come from the state of Wisconsin, and therefore are more likely to drive back for a game?
Anyways, it's kind of a crappy debate because both schools draw very, very well and are WAY ahead of most schools across the country.
Let's just say this: Both schools have great fan support. UW probably has more "built in" support because it's the state school, MU has great support because of the tradition and success of the program (not that UW hasn't had some success as well).
Compare the attendance figures, and the size of the student section after the Providence game. It's still during break, but you'll see the student section expanding into a decent amount of the upper deck and total attendance at or above 17,000. Many students (myself included) left early or around game-time Saturday when we could have just as easily gone to the game, but the same students will be more than willing to make the drive (and get student tickets for friends from students who aren't making the trip to town) to go to the Providence game. The much larger student section, having 4x less as many students and alumni, and not being the "state school" contribute, but you'd see a slight increase in attendance (especially from students) if we were playing a respectable mid-major like a Creighton, slightly more for a major-conference team, and even more from a highly-ranked or top BE team, regardless of whether school is in session.
Quote from: larrym on December 18, 2007, 04:35:55 PM
I wouldn't say the BC is MUCH bigger than the KC. The BC holds 18,600 for basketball. The KC holds 17,190.
FWIW I think the badgermaniacs were having a similar discussion not too long ago about students not showing up and using their tickets while school was in session.
19,000 for college.
I guess when I started the thread I was really just looking for a comparison against UWM on a Monday night due to a venomous comment made by a UWM Alum friend of mine.
Comparing Badger fans attending patsy games to MU fans is kind of irrelevant in my opinion. I'm not all that impressed with UW atmosphere even for the big games.
I'll take our fans over the social and gag cheerleading event that goes on at Camp Randall and the Kohl Center. Our fans watch the game instead of watching for cues for the next wave or pinch and tickle.