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Title: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: BM1090 on March 05, 2016, 01:10:07 PM
Henry is starting.

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=chat
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: real chili 83 on March 05, 2016, 01:11:53 PM
Bulldog livers on the menu?
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: Benny B on March 05, 2016, 01:22:05 PM
HE certainly not taking it easy in warm ups. Looks like he's a (near, at least) full go. 
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: Boozemon Barro on March 05, 2016, 01:45:46 PM
Cohen needs to play zero minutes.
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: #UnleashSean on March 05, 2016, 01:46:43 PM
And  I think we won't see Cohen for the rest of thegame. What the hell  was that
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: GGGG on March 05, 2016, 01:48:38 PM
Well time for a nap ai na?
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: nyg on March 05, 2016, 01:49:50 PM
Cohen stupid foul

Fischer just picked up number 2, no surprise again.

Six turnovers in six minutes.  Cannot wait until next year when the "young, inexperience" excuse is over.

Way to go in game though. 
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: #UnleashSean on March 05, 2016, 01:51:38 PM
Jujuan takeover time?
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: willie warrior on March 05, 2016, 01:57:31 PM
Guess the zebras do not know a charge. What idiots.
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: DJO's Jaw on March 05, 2016, 01:58:11 PM
Quote from: willie warrior on March 05, 2016, 01:57:31 PM
Guess the zebras do not know a charge. What idiots.

Ball don't lie though.
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: #UnleashSean on March 05, 2016, 02:00:06 PM
Well that's 3 horseshit calls in a minute.
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: #UnleashSean on March 05, 2016, 02:02:34 PM
This can't be real can it?
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: DJO's Jaw on March 05, 2016, 02:11:13 PM
Luke's third foul has to be one of the dumbest decisions I've seen someone make all year.
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: willie warrior on March 05, 2016, 02:11:47 PM
Just a boneheaded foul by Fishy!



Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: nyg on March 05, 2016, 02:12:31 PM
Luke , oh boy. Stupid foul after a great stop.  Yes, that was a foul, but MU getting boned otherwise with calls. 

Have to make very free throw, no turnovers.

And another foul with two seconds on clock.  Shooting foul of course
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: WarhawkWarrior on March 05, 2016, 02:17:38 PM
Game doesn't count, refs took us out early
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: GGGG on March 05, 2016, 02:19:05 PM
Quote from: WarhawkWarrior on March 05, 2016, 02:17:38 PM
Game doesn't count, refs took us out early


No. Marquette is playing awful. Don't place blame elsewhere.
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: WarhawkWarrior on March 05, 2016, 02:23:25 PM
No, when the refs gave them 9 early on 3 miscalled charges and then a bulls mitt 3 point foul, it disrupts you a bit, aina?
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: Afroman on March 05, 2016, 02:23:32 PM
Having players who can make shots from behind the 3-point line really helps.

Other than that, Butler has been extremely fortunate (lucky) on a number of occasions and a few calls have been definite head scratchers.
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: nyg on March 05, 2016, 02:23:58 PM
Cut it to three mid half.

Then floodgates opened.  Numerous and one calls, turnovers, can't grab rebounds, missed free throws, stupid, stupid fouls, offensive boards again.

Wojo at one time went with Carter, Wilson, Cheatham, JJJ and Wally.  Didn't work, but try anything.

Thought they play better, but oh well.  This may be worst effort of year, Butler may score 100. 

Rest the ankle Henry........good luck in play in game. 
Title: finishing after a foul
Post by: auburnmarquette on March 05, 2016, 02:25:12 PM
Maybe the biggest difference I see between this year and the Buzz's Sweet 16 teams is the attitude to finish the and-ones. We seem happy to have just drawn the foul near the basket and sort of throw one up there and then go to the line for two. I used to come to a lot of the games as soon as the doors opened and watch those teams get pounded by tackling dummies over and over and over again and the message was "I don't care if you are fouled - FINISH and then take your one free throw with two in the bank."

Is that a standard drill and do we still do it?
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: willie warrior on March 05, 2016, 02:25:45 PM
Where the did wilson learn how to not shoot fts?
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: dgies9156 on March 05, 2016, 02:26:12 PM
This really sucks.
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: auburnmarquette on March 05, 2016, 02:30:04 PM
Quote from: WarhawkWarrior on March 05, 2016, 02:23:25 PM
No, when the refs gave them 9 early on 3 miscalled charges and then a bulls mitt 3 point foul, it disrupts you a bit, right?

I agree those were huge momentum killers - but part of that is that we are freshman and if something goes wrong it kills us, whereas a more veteran team does the old, "that won't be the last bad call I ever get" and keeps fighting through and then gets a makeup call or break the other way and goes on a run.

I don't know if MU has just made the decision to stop getting JUCOs, but in today's game I do believe you always need one or two if you can't get a senior grad to help the youth along. If the freshman all take over during the season that is fine.
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: Oregon Warrior on March 05, 2016, 02:31:07 PM
Not going to win many games when you let your opponent shoot 61%. Our defense is comical.
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: CountryRoads on March 05, 2016, 02:33:19 PM
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 05, 2016, 02:19:05 PM
No. Marquette is playing awful. Don't place blame elsewhere.

Refs took over for about 2-3 min when Marquette cut it to 3. The rest of the game has been fine.
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: connie on March 05, 2016, 02:36:42 PM
Quote from: AirPunch on March 05, 2016, 02:33:19 PM
Refs took over for about 2-3 min when Marquette cut it to 3. The rest of the game has been fine.
OK, bad calls, yes, but stupid, stupid plays as well.  Fisher in particular.  WTF? 
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: nyg on March 05, 2016, 02:47:48 PM
Sorry, but why did Cohen start second half, not JJJ?  Defense????

Whoops Duane pulled in thirty seconds. 

Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: GGGG on March 05, 2016, 02:51:43 PM
Henry having another gem.
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: willie warrior on March 05, 2016, 03:01:45 PM
This is abysmal. Another foul not called.
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: nyg on March 05, 2016, 03:03:24 PM
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 05, 2016, 02:51:43 PM
Henry having another gem.

But he is gassed.  Missed like four of last five, two bad turnovers and cannot guard anyone right now.

This game is history, rest him and move on. 
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: Litehouse on March 05, 2016, 03:06:13 PM
Did they just give Wojo a T?
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: willie warrior on March 05, 2016, 03:07:22 PM
Might as well take a t. Nothing else working.
No excuse for this cluster%=รท%.
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: nyg on March 05, 2016, 03:08:19 PM
Yup, finally started barking about the calls.  Probably abit too late, but what's to lose. 

Man, Sandy having another bad day.  Believe that's 4 turnovers and 3 fouls. 
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: GoldenWarrior11 on March 05, 2016, 03:09:39 PM
Referees didn't cause the team to have 14 turnovers through 3/4 of the game.
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: ecompt on March 05, 2016, 03:10:12 PM
Sandy has to start seriously thinking about a career move.  He is a good kid but completely overmatched in this conference.
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: nyg on March 05, 2016, 03:15:16 PM
Down 26 with eight to go, foul trouble, need rest for next game, etc.....

Is there a reason Sacar has not seen the floor? 
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: Boozemon Barro on March 05, 2016, 03:15:23 PM
Quote from: nyg on March 05, 2016, 02:47:48 PM
Sorry, but why did Cohen start second half, not JJJ?  Defense????

Whoops Duane pulled in thirty seconds.

Unbelievable. Cohen is absolute garbage. Does nothing well.
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: ecompt on March 05, 2016, 03:18:37 PM
Scariest thought is how bad this team is going to be next year without Henry. Wilson and JJJ may have peaked already, and while Cheatham may be better we will gave zero rebounding and will again play no defense.
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 05, 2016, 03:23:32 PM
Quote from: ecompt on March 05, 2016, 03:18:37 PM
Scariest thought is how bad this team is going to be next year without Henry. Wilson and JJJ may have peaked already, and while Cheatham may be better we will gave zero rebounding and will again play no defense.

This team will be better next season even without Henry. Assuming no other defections. Don't let one bad game color your opinion
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: SaveOD238 on March 05, 2016, 03:28:18 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 05, 2016, 03:23:32 PM
This team will be better next season even without Henry. Assuming no other defections. Don't let one bad game color your opinion

Come on TAMU, you're not watching this crapfest.  You have no idea how awful we look
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: Herman Cain on March 05, 2016, 03:29:02 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 05, 2016, 03:23:32 PM
This team will be better next season even without Henry. Assuming no other defections. Don't let one bad game color your opinion
I Agree with this analysis.
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: 79Warrior on March 05, 2016, 03:29:22 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 05, 2016, 03:23:32 PM
This team will be better next season even without Henry. Assuming no other defections. Don't let one bad game color your opinion
Wow, what are you watching. No way are we better without him.
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: We R Final Four on March 05, 2016, 03:29:59 PM
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on March 05, 2016, 03:09:39 PM
Referees didn't cause the team to have 14 turnovers through 3/4 of the game.

About average, ai'na?
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: Marcus92 on March 05, 2016, 03:32:46 PM
Awful game. One of the worst of the season, pretty much unwatchable. On to the BE tourney. What more needs to be said?
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: ecompt on March 05, 2016, 03:34:28 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 05, 2016, 03:23:32 PM
This team will be better next season even without Henry. Assuming no other defections. Don't let one bad game color your opinion

It's not one bad game. It is the freshmen except for Henry not learning a damn thing. They have no one who guard anyone one-on-one and without Henry next year Fischer will foul out in about 8 minutes every night. They simply cannot compete against the top 4 teams in this conference, and the gap is only to get worse.
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: amen426 on March 05, 2016, 03:41:48 PM
Quote from: ecompt on March 05, 2016, 03:34:28 PM
It's not one bad game. It is the freshmen except for Henry not learning a damn thing. They have no one who guard anyone one-on-one and without Henry next year Fischer will foul out in about 8 minutes every night. They simply cannot compete against the top 4 teams in this conference, and the gap is only to get worse.

Top 4 teams... Didn't we sweep #4 Providence this year?
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 05, 2016, 03:51:31 PM
Quote from: SaveOD238 on March 05, 2016, 03:28:18 PM
Come on TAMU, you're not watching this crapfest.  You have no idea how awful we look

Doesn't matter. How we do in one game at the end of the season has no bearing on how we will improve over the off-season
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 05, 2016, 03:53:47 PM
Quote from: ecompt on March 05, 2016, 03:34:28 PM
It's not one bad game. It is the freshmen except for Henry not learning a damn thing. They have no one who guard anyone one-on-one and without Henry next year Fischer will foul out in about 8 minutes every night. They simply cannot compete against the top 4 teams in this conference, and the gap is only to get worse.

Look at any statistical analysis. We have been trending up all season. One game taking a step back does not mean  all that progress didn't happen.
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: ecompt on March 05, 2016, 03:57:29 PM
Quote from: amen426 on March 05, 2016, 03:41:48 PM
Top 4 teams... Didn't we sweep #4 Providence this year?

Xavier (0-2), Villanova (0-2), Buter and Seton Hall (0-2). Sorry if I incluided Butler ahead of Providence. Didn't know who had the tiebreaker.
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: 79Warrior on March 05, 2016, 05:24:42 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 05, 2016, 03:51:31 PM
Doesn't matter. How we do in one game at the end of the season has no bearing on how we will improve over the off-season

Whatever. HE had 29 today. The guys that need to improve did not show up. Next years excuse will be the sophomore slump. No way is this team materially better if HE is gone unless Wojo lands a stud PF.
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 05, 2016, 07:05:28 PM
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 05, 2016, 05:24:42 PM
Whatever. HE had 29 today. The guys that need to improve did not show up. Next years excuse will be the sophomore slump. No way is this team materially better if HE is gone unless Wojo lands a stud PF.

It's simple math.

Rowsey+Hauser+Howard (possible)+other recruit (possible)+improvement from the 9 returning scholarship players > Henry's production this season.

Henry is great. He is not greater than the 13 players that will be playing for us next season
Title: Re: Butler Game Thread and Chat
Post by: MarquetteDano on March 05, 2016, 07:13:39 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 05, 2016, 07:05:28 PM
It's simple math.

Rowsey+Hauser+Howard (possible)+other recruit (possible)+improvement from the 9 returning scholarship players > Henry's production this season.

Henry is great. He is not greater than the 13 players that will be playing for us next season

Agreed.  This team will be better next year even if Ellenson departs.  What I really want to see next year is an improvement in coaching.  I think Wojo and his staff need to do a better job on the X and O's next year.  Too much of doing the same thing over and over and hoping for a different result.
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