Henry
JJ
Duane. He was the only one with any willingness and balls late in the game. Won it for us when everyone else was trying to throw it away.
Henry
1. HE
2. JjJ
3. Du
Big win. Go Warriors!
Henry
Duane with some big plays on both ends in the 2nd half
JJ
Henry
Henry. But he needed more maturity at times. 18 I guess.
Henry
JJJ: 15 pts, 9 rebounds 5 steals. That is a pretty crazy line (especially 5 steals).
Duane: as others have said later, finishing.
Too many bad decisions by Henry (otherwise he'd normally be a front runner).
JJJ most improved this year and it showed in this game but Henry had another stud game.
Duane. Finisher
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 24, 2016, 09:09:37 PM
Duane. He was the only one with any willingness and balls late in the game. Won it for us when everyone else was trying to throw it away.
+1
Mac says Du
Has to be Duane. He was the only one that actually wanted the ball when the game was on the line.
Don't care about the full line, if not for Duane there is no way we hold on. He was the only guy with any stones to show up at the end.
Henry because he made the game clinching free throw.
Duane. Ugly SOTG in an ugly game.
Du
Duane, Henry, JJ
Henry
JJJ
Henry
Isaiah Zerdiener (Just kidding... I really don't like that kid.)
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 24, 2016, 09:14:45 PM
Has to be Duane. He was the only one that actually wanted the ball when the game was on the line.
Don't care about the full line, if not for Duane there is no way we hold on. He was the only guy with any stones to show up at the end.
Agree with this but still think it's Henry. Henry kept trying to get the ball at the perimeter down the stretch and we weren't able to get him shots. Finally got him a mid range look at the end and $$$
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on February 24, 2016, 09:15:52 PM
Duane. Ugly SOTG in an ugly game.
Ugly game because Creighton made that way when they were getting outplayed.
Duane all the way.
Quote from: AirPunch on February 24, 2016, 09:21:32 PM
Agree with this but still think it's Henry. Henry kept trying to get the ball at the perimeter down the stretch and we weren't able to get him shots. Finally got him a mid range look at the end and $$$
Henry's terrible post defense had him out of the running for me before the first half ended. Both of Creighton's bigs spent the entire night on Henry's back shoulder. That, and when you go 12 minutes without a field goal while the 15 point lead dwindled to a tie, just tough to get my vote.
Henry has had some great nights, but tonight he was badly exposed both on defense as well as his inability to seal the lane on offense. Not one of his finer nights despite what the box score may say.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 24, 2016, 09:28:06 PM
Henry's terrible post defense had him out of the running for me before the first half ended. Both of Creighton's bigs spent the entire night on Henry's back shoulder. That, and when you go 12 minutes without a field goal while the 15 point lead dwindled to a tie, just tough to get my vote.
Henry has had some great nights, but tonight he was badly exposed both on defense as well as his inability to seal the lane on offense. Not one of his finer nights despite what the box score may say.
He's not a good defender but he really can't play aggressive defense due to luke constantly sitting for fouls. Need Henry's offense and as such, his defense suffers.
Duane
Played well when it mattered
Without Duane, No Stud at all
Duane gets runner up for me. Henry gets SOTG. Hit the big shot late (Ik, Duane hit a couple too) and was good all game. Another 20+ 10+ performance for Henry.
You Duane voters must be diminishing Henry because of all of his rebounds were easy.
Quote from: dgies9156 on February 24, 2016, 09:33:23 PM
Without Duane, No Stud at all
Same could be said of Henry, JJJ. Playing well makes an impact regardless of when it is done.
Duane gets runner up for me. Henry gets SOTG. Hit the big shot late (Ik, Duane hit a couple too) and was good all game. Another 20+ 10+ performance for Henry.
You Duane voters must be diminishing Henry because of all of his rebounds were easy.
Without Duane, there's no stud of the game but the same could be said for Henry and JJ
DU.
Henry made some bitchin shots, but got schooled on d in the post. HE was great on the boards too
Neurotic game
Quote from: real chili 83 on February 24, 2016, 09:38:30 PM
DU.
Henry made some bitchin shots, but got schooled on d in the post. HE was great on the boards too
Neurotic game
He got schooled in the post on D because he was out of position because Luke (again) failed to stay out of foul trouble.
Only saw last 14 min. because of work, and haven't checked the box, don't need to. There's no doubt that DWil is the SOTG. He can drive you crazy some nights but he bailed this team out tonight when the game was on the line.
We have two sophomores on this team. Both are wildly inconsistent. Duane seems to forget his last mistake and steps up come crunch time. Sandy seems to stew in his mistakes and overthinks things.
Swaggy Du with Henry a close second.
Henry easily.
JJJ with a very strong game
Duane's defense was once again terrible and takes away greatly from whatever his offensive contributions are. See, for example, the three pointer where Creighton tied the game.
I'm going for a "triple-stud".
HE for an awesome overall game.
JJJ for keeping us in it early.
Swaggy Du for closing it out.
There is no way just one of these 3 can be singled out this time.
By the way... I think this was the best game of JJJ's career!
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on February 24, 2016, 09:39:53 PM
He got schooled in the post on D because he was out of position because Luke (again) failed to stay out of foul trouble.
When Luke and Matt aren't in the game, his position is center. That means he has to guard their center, not leave them unimpeded to the hoop.
I actually liked most of Henry's game tonight. Only two really bad shot choices and aggressive on offense for the first 27 minutes. But his porous post defense (Luke wasn't there, fine, but he needs to adjust) and 12 minute drought with the game on the line give the edge to Mr Clutch.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 24, 2016, 10:09:54 PM
When Luke and Matt aren't in the game, his position is center. That means he has to guard their center, not leave them unimpeded to the hoop.
I actually liked most of Henry's game tonight. Only two really bad shot choices and aggressive on offense for the first 27 minutes. But his porous post defense (Luke wasn't there, fine, but he needs to adjust) and 12 minute drought with the game on the line give the edge to Mr Clutch.
And if he bodies up, gets called for a ticky tack call that Luke got? We're screwed.
I do understand what you're saying, but in my opinion Duane was the SOT last 2 minutes, Henry was SOTG.
Quote from: forgetful on February 24, 2016, 09:12:28 PM
JJJ: 15 pts, 9 rebounds 5 steals. That is a pretty crazy line (especially 5 steals).
Duane: as others have said later, finishing.
Too many bad decisions by Henry (otherwise he'd normally be a front runner).
Given that JJJ and Duane had 3 turnovers each and took some wild, unsuccessful forays into the lane, I don't know as either was innocent of "bad decisions."
Henry was an offensive stud for the majority of the game, and that despite being hacked all night long. And while Duane definitely came through late -- again -- it was Hank who hit that pretty jumper in the lane when we needed it to stretch the lead, and it was Hank who hit the clinching FTs. Hank was also as effective as any press-breaker we had.
Criticism of Henry's post defense is valid, but he had to make due without Luke much of the night. Meanwhile, were Duane and JJJ playing especially killer perimeter defense? Do we credit them -- or any other Warriors -- for Creighton bricking about a dozen wide-open 3s? If Creighton shoots 25% from 3, Scoopers would be ripping our perimeter defenders, and rightly so.
Duane came through and JJJ had some nice plays, but the stud is Hank, and I'm not even seeing it as very close.
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on February 24, 2016, 10:11:11 PM
I do understand what you're saying, but in my opinion Duane was the SOT last 2 minutes, Henry was SOTG.
Agree. If Henry hadn't dominated most of the game, DuWil's late shots would simply have been desperate efforts to get us within 10 points.
IMHO, you have to play well for more than a few minutes to get SOTG.
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on February 24, 2016, 10:11:11 PM
And if he bodies up, gets called for a ticky tack call that Luke got? We're screwed.
I do understand what you're saying, but in my opinion Duane was the SOT last 2 minutes, Henry was SOTG.
Then he's doing his job. Sorry, but ole defense on a dozen possessions simply doesn't do it for me. I don't know if you were watching him on defense in the first half, but it was really bad. Constantly letting his man get behind him or sometimes not even guarding him and drifting out to the top of the key. I mentioned it numerous times in the chat because it was very obvious.
Henry was the stud of the first 27 minutes. The game was decided in the final thirteen, twelve of which he didn't score in.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 24, 2016, 10:18:55 PM
Then he's doing his job. Sorry, but ole defense on a dozen possessions simply doesn't do it for me. I don't know if you were watching him on defense in the first half, but it was really bad. Constantly letting his man get behind him or sometimes not even guarding him and drifting out to the top of the key. I mentioned it numerous times in the chat because it was very obvious.
You realize this paragraph could be used to describe both Henry and Duane's defense tonight, right?
Quote from: GooooMarquette on February 24, 2016, 10:22:26 PM
You realize this paragraph could be used to describe both Henry and Duane's defense tonight, right?
Duane wasn't perfect, but he wasn't that bad, and he also wasn't in the last line of defense position.
For me, this game was decided at the end. Duane rose to that occasion. He wanted the ball in the last 5 minutes. Henry had a fine night, but Duane won us the game.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 24, 2016, 10:35:01 PM
Duane wasn't perfect, but he wasn't that bad, and he also wasn't in the last line of defense position.
For me, this game was decided at the end. Duane rose to that occasion. He wanted the ball in the last 5 minutes. Henry had a fine night, but Duane won us the game.
I would argue that Duane had a less-perfect game than Henry did. And also that Henry did come through with some clutch plays at the end.
Not to mention that Henry scored a third of our points, grabbed a third of our rebounds, made a third of our 3s, made 40% of our FTs (without a miss, including the two clinchers). And yet somehow somebody else "won us the game."
You and I usually agree on most things hoops-related, brewski, but I respectfully disagree that Duane (or anybody else) was more studly than Hank.
Glad we get to have this discussion, because it means our lads won!
Quote from: MU82 on February 24, 2016, 10:39:37 PM
I would argue that Duane had a less-perfect game than Henry did. And also that Henry did come through with some clutch plays at the end.
Not to mention that Henry scored a third of our points, grabbed a third of our rebounds, made a third of our 3s, made 40% of our FTs (without a miss, including the two clinchers). And yet somehow somebody else "won us the game."
You and I usually agree on most things hoops-related, brewski, but I respectfully disagree that Duane (or anybody else) was more studly than Hank.
Glad we get to have this discussion, because it means our lads won!
What about JJJ, 9 rebounds and 5 steals and shot 60% from the floor. He also didn't play absolutely terrible defense during the game.
Henry had a strong game on offense but as Brew pointed out was shaky on defense. He showed a lot of different looks on offense which really opened things up for everyone. On most nights I would say he was the stud of the game.
Duane had incredible cajones down the stretch. I want the ball in his hands at those times. He is very fun to watch. I would definitely say he was the stud of the end of the game.
JJJ did a lot of very good things scoring passing rebounding and defense . Much of it showed up in the box score , but much of it doesn't. For example I saw him boxing out the Creighton 7 footer several times which gave a very easy rebound to Henry. Also he was a constant force on the outside defensively with deflections etc which took Creighton out of their game. Finally ,he is always looking to move the ball into guys hands who can make a better shot than him , for example he had a very nice drive which he probably could have put up but instead kicked it out to Cheatham for one of his super smooth drives. Wojo has drilled this in his head. Some of his drives appeared wild but they were at the very end of the shot clock and the only thing the team had left, Wojo gave him the green light for that.
So when I take it all into consideration, for this game I would give it to JJJ for overall contributions and general studliness throughout the game with honorable mention to the other two.
JJJ
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on February 24, 2016, 09:48:09 PM
We have two sophomores on this team. Both are wildly inconsistent. Duane seems to forget his last mistake and steps up come crunch time. Sandy seems to stew in his mistakes and overthinks things.
Sandy also overthinks the importance of attending class. Godo for Wojo.
Quote from: JaJuanOnJuan on February 24, 2016, 11:12:34 PM
Sandy also overthinks the importance of attending class. Godo for Wojo.
Link?
Tough call.
Jjj was the stud of the first half
Duane was the stud of the second half
I think Henry posted the best overall game
Eh...um...ah...Duane, I guess. No Henry because I think that technical was intentional. No jjj because that jump ball at the end caused me to lose my shiit.
Wilson
JJJ
wilson. the kid is our go-to guy. for better or for worse.
Duane is clutch late. But holy hell is dumb before crunch time.
We're up 46-31 and about to run away with it.
Next 4 pts are Creighton off of two MORONIC Duane TOs.
Sorry but it's the full body of work not the few min.
Henry or JJJ
All I can say is I love waking up to see a STOG thread at the top of the list. Glad we got it done, but man it would be great to finish games string. Think it's a testament to the balance on the team when a guy goes for 22/10 and he's only one of three in the STOG convo.
Also should add Duane was 1/2 on both his free throw trips including one of them late.
He had back to back buckets for us(not on back to back possessions) late. That isn't stud of game worthy though.
JJJ played a great game. Love his quickness.
Quote from: 1SE on February 25, 2016, 01:53:27 AM
All I can say is I love waking up to see a STOG thread at the top of the list. Glad we got it done, but man it would be great to finish games string. Think it's a testament to the balance on the team when a guy goes for 22/10 and he's only one of three in the STOG convo.
Amen!
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on February 25, 2016, 01:21:10 AM
Duane is clutch late. But holy hell is dumb before crunch time.
We're up 46-31 and about to run away with it.
Next 4 pts are Creighton off of two MORONIC Duane TOs.
Sorry but it's the full body of work not the few min.
Henry or JJJ
Wilson had one more turnover than Henry E and one more assist.....
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on February 25, 2016, 01:21:10 AM
Duane is clutch late. But holy hell is dumb before crunch time.
We're up 46-31 and about to run away with it.
Next 4 pts are Creighton off of two MORONIC Duane TOs.
Sorry but it's the full body of work not the few min.
Henry or JJJ
True, Duane turned it over a few times. But at that point in the chat room, several Scoopers were all over Du and Wojo for keeping Du in the game, saying Du is he worst player on the team. A few of us commented about his ability to do what he seems to do a lot at the end of a game, which is have the balls to take over and hit some clutch shots. I realize it's the heat of the moment, but think about the ability and stones he has to forget about the last miss and hit the next shot. Thankfully, Du is a Warrior.
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on February 25, 2016, 08:16:34 AM
True, Duane turned it over a few times. But at that point in the chat room, several Scoopers were all over Du and Wojo for keeping Du in the game, saying Du is he worst player on the team. A few of us commented about his ability to do what he seems to do a lot at the end of a game, which is have the balls to take over and hit some clutch shots. I realize it's the heat of the moment, but think about the ability and stones he has to forget about the last miss and hit the next shot. Thankfully, Du is a Warrior.
What moron said that Duane is the worst player on the team? I understand the heat of the moment, but come on. Duane is unafraid of the moment. He attempts to take over at crunch time. He has failed and even worse, made really bad decisions leading to that fail. (attempting 3's meant to be daggers that turn into runouts for the other team) But he has not let that stop him from wanting to be the man. Every team needs somebody unafraid at the end.
Quote from: tower912 on February 25, 2016, 08:23:53 AM
What moron said that Duane is the worst player on the team? I understand the heat of the moment, but come on. Duane is unafraid of the moment. He attempts to take over at crunch time. He has failed and even worse, made really bad decisions leading to that fail. (attempting 3's meant to be daggers that turn into runouts for the other team) But he has not let that stop him from wanting to be the man. Every team needs somebody unafraid at the end.
When that team was afraid to take shots and take the ball to the basket, Duane did. Regardless of how poorly he played earlier, Duane stepped up. He's a sophomore. He is going to get better. Combined with that attitude, he is going to be a very good player when all is said and done.
Duane! Clutch moments down the stretch when we needed it most - sounds like Stud to me.
Quote from: tower912 on February 25, 2016, 08:23:53 AM
What moron said that Duane is the worst player on the team? I understand the heat of the moment, but come on. Duane is unafraid of the moment. He attempts to take over at crunch time. He has failed and even worse, made really bad decisions leading to that fail. (attempting 3's meant to be daggers that turn into runouts for the other team) But he has not let that stop him from wanting to be the man. Every team needs somebody unafraid at the end.
Duane as a senior is going to be the player that crushes the spirit of other teams.
Duane is definitely the man of the match. From when I turned the game on with 13 min to go in the 2nd half, Duane was the only guy who scored within the run of play (not free throws...ok I think Henry may have had a jump shot too). Yes, he threw up some bad shots too, but those were late in the shot clock because no one else had the guts to make positive movement to the basket.
Duane SOTG
Duane. He was absolutely there when needed most. Finished.
Duane.
DEWEY BEATS JOHNSON!
DEWEY BEATS ELLENSON!
DEWEY BEATS CREIGHTON!
DEWEY BEATS TRUMAN!
Henry, MU has 18 wins....Henry has 16 DOUBLE DOUBLES.
I'm watching the game again and there is just no way it can be anyone but Henry. His defense was bad but not as bad as it was made out to be in this thread and certainly no worse than Duane's. He had half of our 2nd half points (13/27) and consistently stemmed the tide when Creighton was making their initial run (before their successful run).
He hit clinching free throws at the end and drained a jumper right after Duane's two big baskets. He also drew about 4 fouls down the stretch that went uncalled so his line should have been even better.
I really like Duane, glad he's a part of this team even if he is infuriating at times. He played a huge part in that win last night. But he wasn't SOTG.
Also, the announcers were even worse on 2nd watch. My Lord.
It's been two days and there's a game tomorrow!
bump.
Is a Caucus??
I appreciate all the votes, but the votes for JJJ were correct.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 26, 2016, 11:29:28 AM
I appreciate all the votes, but the votes for JJJ were correct.
You had two good choices and you went with neither lol.
JJ played well but he was not SOTG. Ah well, as long as Scoop is a free site I won't complain about the dictatorship.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 26, 2016, 11:29:28 AM
I appreciate all the votes, but the votes for JJJ were correct.
His 9 rebounds were far less lucky than Henry's 9 rebounds. Ok that's the last time.
Henry should have gotten it. He could easily have 10 of these things.
Rocky's site, Rocky is the decider.
There wasn't a perfect choice for this game. JJJ is as defensible as Henry or Duane IMO.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 26, 2016, 11:29:28 AM
I appreciate all the votes, but the votes for JJJ were correct.
Excellent choice.
Rocky is trying to make sure JJJ doesn't transfer ::)
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on February 26, 2016, 02:16:42 PM
Rocky is trying to make sure JJJ doesn't transfer ::)
Better choice than Duane.