1. Without Garrett, depaul is Grambling.
2. Traci was dreadful during g his first 90 second stint, solid the rest of the way.
3. Watching Duane warm up, he was short on every jumper.
4. The Marquette alum next to me,"I'veheard this Ellenson guy is pretty good, but I don't know anything else about the team."
5. So close to being the cathartic ass kicking we all wanted, but young guys don't know how to finish.
6. Scoopers need a tee shirt or gang sign or something.
7. At one point in the second half, it was JJ and 4 freshmen. It is going to be OK.
Up 23 with 7:44 to go, haven't watched entire game yet, but have to assume we went into bend but don't break mode.
In this sort of game as long as no one gets hurt who cares.
I would have loved to see more of these games in BE, but I like that I have seen some improvement
Quote from: tower912 on February 20, 2016, 04:02:49 PM
4. The Marquette alum next to me,"I'veheard this Ellenson guy is pretty good, but I don't know anything else about the team."
Could be most any Scoop regular...
Quote from: tower912 on February 20, 2016, 04:02:49 PM
6. Scoopers need a tee shirt or gang sign or something.
(http://images.firstcovers.com/covers/flash/n/nerd_gang-151804.jpg)
I was there. MU crowd into it. Some good cheering. Was up behind MU bench and it was loud. Great MU crowd at the reception before game too at hofbrauhaus.
now that was a fun & exciting game to watch!!
Joking aside, much needed win heading into these final games
Quote from: tower912 on February 20, 2016, 04:02:49 PM
1. Without Garrett, depaul is Grambling.
2. Traci was dreadful during g his first 90 second stint, solid the rest of the way.
3. Watching Duane warm up, he was short on every jumper.
4. The Marquette alum next to me,"I'veheard this Ellenson guy is pretty good, but I don't know anything else about the team."
5. So close to being the cathartic ass kicking we all wanted, but young guys don't know how to finish.
6. Scoopers need a tee shirt or gang sign or something.
7. At one point in the second half, it was JJ and 4 freshmen. It is going to be OK.
The code word is "sustrightable." Wasn't someone getting those T-shirts drawn up?
"MUScoop: Sustrightable Marquette Basketball Talk Since 2006" or something like that
EDIT: I misspelled "sustrightable." The irony lol
"We are....Marquette" inspired the only reaction from the DePaul fans all game. Crowd was 70-30 Marquette.
If I couldn't be there - and I couldn't, as I now live in N.C. - this was the perfect game to watch with a friend at a bar (and I did).
Dickey was the "analyst," and I usually have to mute him anyway!
And the easy MU win made the beer taste even better!!
Drat! If we had beaten these guys at home, we would be sitting in the 5 spot.
I thought we got pretty careless and lazy down the stretch including Henry specifically. He took an ill advised 'launch' 3 point attempt early in the shot clock when we were plus approximately 20. In my mind, he earned a little pine time following that decision. Not Henry's finest game. And I'm mostly talking from an effort and attention to detail standpoint.
A scoop t shirt is a really good idea, would sport
Quote from: LAMUfan on February 20, 2016, 05:25:04 PM
A scoop t shirt is a really good idea, would sport
"Keep calm, and respect the process"
Tin foil
#DoneDeal
Side note, how bad is attendance there normally?
Quote from: T-Bone on February 20, 2016, 05:54:47 PM
#DoneDeal
Side note, how bad is attendance there normally?
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In 2015 they averaged about 2,200 a game. Can't imagine it's much higher this year
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on February 20, 2016, 04:09:28 PM
(http://images.firstcovers.com/covers/flash/n/nerd_gang-151804.jpg)
Teal shirts, obviously
Quote from: tower912 on February 20, 2016, 04:02:49 PM
1. Without Garrett, depaul is Grambling.
2. Traci was dreadful during g his first 90 second stint, solid the rest of the way.
3. Watching Duane warm up, he was short on every jumper.
4. The Marquette alum next to me,"I'veheard this Ellenson guy is pretty good, but I don't know anything else about the team."
5. So close to being the cathartic ass kicking we all wanted, but young guys don't know how to finish.
6. Scoopers need a tee shirt or gang sign or something.
7. At one point in the second half, it was JJ and 4 freshmen. It is going to be OK.
2. Traci is good for 2 entry pass turnovers per game.
4. So what? Welcome that guy. Just as kids in Wausau and Manitowoc cheer with all their heart for Sam Dicker, we are not in a position to exclude.
His statement is the same as the casual MU fan, local media, etc. Politely educate him and who knows he may drive to Creighton next week. My family is full of alums and your neighbors statement can be heard at Thanksgiving or Easter.
I did. I gave him a nice overview. It was actually a good reminder for me that the average Marquette fan/alum isn't as hardcore and that scoopers are a very small percentage of a limited fan base. Which still turned out well today.
> Won three of the four factors.
> Big MU crowd. DU students < 100. South Loop arena gets that to 120.
> Adding first ten minutes and last ten minutes, the game was a tie. In between was all MU.
> Only five turnovers in 2nd half.
> Wojo playing "his guys".
> Haanif was a stat stuffer.
> Wojo calling a 30 second with 5:38 to go to ream Henry for not going after a rebound.
> Post game--Women asks if MU was playing DePaul today. Me: Yes. Her: Oh damn, I should pay more attention to when MU plays. X fan: How did MU do? Me: Blew out DePaul. Him: Well, you should have.
> This game is a lot closer if Garrett plays. MU did a nice job exploiting the match ups. Tommy Hamilton and Henry like outside the arc.
> Big East officials call uneven games and halves. At this point, they are only calling points of emphasis and not looking at the flow of the game. Horrid with all the 2nd half calls versus first.
> Win the ones you are supposed to. On to Omaha Beach.
Quote from: LAMUfan on February 20, 2016, 05:25:04 PM
A scoop t shirt is a really good idea, would sport
(http://ih0.redbubble.net/image.145933917.3951/ra,fitted_scoop,x1100,black,front-c,260,195,225,375-pad,220x294,ffffff.4u1.jpg)
If anyone is good with artwork, how about a shirt that has all the best Scoop lines formed in the shape of the old Warrior head logo so it just looks like the Warrior from a distance?
Quote from: Logi4three on February 20, 2016, 09:07:42 PM
If anyone is good with artwork, how about a shirt that has all the best Scoop lines formed in the shape of the old Warrior head logo so it just looks like the Warrior from a distance?
Customizable with our name on the back?
Our new MUscoop shirts.
Quote from: Logi4three on February 20, 2016, 09:07:42 PM
If anyone is good with artwork, how about a shirt that has all the best Scoop lines formed in the shape of the old Warrior head logo so it just looks like the Warrior from a distance?
This reminds me of the "Chief Crowder" tees from a few years back. They were designed by an alum in San Diego and printed in Chula Vista CA. I still have mine, but don't remember who did them. Anybody else remember any details?
Quote from: mr.MUskie on February 20, 2016, 10:05:58 PM
Our new MUscoop shirts.
Maybe done deal on the back? Little too much writing on the front, and I think teal font would be better. Black shirt with teal font
Here ya go. Pics are attached below.
(http://i.imgur.com/EDDUkvD.png)
From here. Can't get it to fill quite right. List taken from the Al page.
I thought one of the most impressive stat lines was du will - 3/4 with only one 3pa, a couple Rebs, steals and dimes. Playing within himself, letting the game come to him, not pressing. That looks like coaching to me and is a very encouraging sign.
Quote from: 1SE on February 21, 2016, 02:57:26 AM
I thought one of the most impressive stat lines was du will - 3/4 with only one 3pa, a couple Rebs, steals and dimes. Playing within himself, letting the game come to him, not pressing. That looks like coaching to me and is a very encouraging sign.
I thought the same. I kept waiting for him to force up a couple of silly shots because he hadn't scored in awhile, but he was in control the whole game, like a second PG out there. As long as he retains the ability and will to "go off" if we need him to because others aren't, this is encouraging.
Well-played game all around yesterday. A few more thoughts...
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- Henry didn't have it yesterday, but at least didn't force it too much. Two of his three long-range attempts were very good shot choices. Amazing when a kid can go for 14/9 and be having an off day.
- Cheatham was a stud. Loved seeing him actually take those outside shots instead of always faking the shot, then driving to the hole. Granted, he can do that, but that move hasn't been as successful in conference play where teams have him better scouted. He took what DePaul gave him, and that was a ton of open long-range looks.
- Tommy Hamilton was awesome yesterday. Someone in the chat asked if he's a NBA prospect...personally, I can't see it. Yeah, he did very well yesterday, but I don't think any of the stuff he does would work at the next level. Such an interesting skillset, however.
- Really felt yesterday was one of the smarter games we've played. Good shot choices, excellent ball movement to keep working for a good look. One in particular we went to the hole and it wasn't there. Driver kicked out and despite the shot clock running out, we made two extra passes and got an open look from three for Henry. He missed, but it was excellent movement by the team.
- High efficiency days for Luke, Duane, and JJ, albeit it in different ways. JJ at times looking like a point-forward. Duane took what he was given and contributed in little ways, and Luke was great down low.
- Had some very nice stretches regarding turnovers. Still finished with 14, which is too many in my book.
- Garrett sitting out benefited us a great deal. Add him to DePaul's roster yesterday and it wouldn't have been nearly as easy. Leitao has them playing a lot tougher than Purnell did.
- Watching DePaul's first-half turnover woes made me think "that must be what it's like playing against us!"
- Love when Marquette wins on my birthday weekend (39 on Monday).
- We're now guaranteed a winning record. After last year, that's pretty cool. Three more wins and we should get some postseason play. That's a tall order, but repaying Creighton for that loss last week would be a good start.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 20, 2016, 08:12:17 PM
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Yeah like any chick with THAT body went to Marquette.
Quote from: tower912 on February 20, 2016, 04:02:49 PM
5. So close to being the cathartic ass kicking we all wanted, but young guys don't know how to finish.
Well it really was never in doubt. It got sloppy, but at no point did I say "hey we might lose this."
Three comments:
1. If Howard comes to Marquette, he will get playing time. Cheatham is only playing point out of necessity.
2. Bad Luke showed up for the first two minutes. First couple of shots were weak ass finesse stuff. The announcers mentioned that Wojo wanted him to get into his moves earlier, and he barely missed a shot the rest of the way.
3. We scored a lot of points with Henry not having a good game. That's a good thing.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on February 21, 2016, 07:22:42 AM
Three comments:
3. We scored a lot of points with Henry not having a good game. That's a good thing.
This might be a glimpse into our future next year. I'm encouraged.
Quote from: real chili 83 on February 21, 2016, 07:30:48 AM
This might be a glimpse into our future next year. I'm encouraged.
Agreed. Losing your best player is rough, but we (likely) have over 75% of our offense back.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on February 21, 2016, 08:47:17 AM
Agreed. Losing your best player is rough, but we (likely) have over 75% of our offense back.
This is a very important point. Whoever is playing the 4 next year doesn't need to be a prolific scorer. He got to own the middle defensively, rebound and generally be a 'dirty work' player. Without adding anyone at another position, our scoring options will likely be Hani, Luke, JjJ, Duane, Traci and Rowsey. Compare that to last year when nobody beside Carlino could reliably score.
Good point. What has happened to Sandy? Loved his play in the first half of the season.
Heldt got Wally's minutes at the backup 4 and played very well. Looking forward to watching him as he develops some more confidence.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on February 21, 2016, 09:29:04 AM
Good point. What has happened to Sandy? Loved his play in the first half of the season.
All around has good basketball skills, but not one that makes him stand out in the BE. He's only a sophomore though.
Quote from: WarriorFan on February 21, 2016, 09:31:07 AM
Heldt got Wally's minutes at the backup 4 and played very well. Looking forward to watching him as he develops some more confidence.
And his frame seems to hold weight real well. Noticeably bigger from this summer.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on February 21, 2016, 09:29:04 AM
Good point. What has happened to Sandy? Loved his play in the first half of the season.
If I were Wojo I'd have Sandy work real hard at becoming 'Big East good' at one thing first. I'd speculate that's his ability on the defensive end. Sandy can contribute on that end of the floor. That's how he can earn minutes.
The entire Chicago Tribune "story" on the game is two sentences in the general state round-up section (with Illinois State, EIU, SIU etc.) of the college basketball over-all round up. Oh DePaul.
In same sports section, headline stories on Fenwick beating St Joe's for Catholic title and big wins by Simeon and Morgan Park. How will those kids think of DePaul when they are getting bigger write ups than the DePaul program?
Quote from: LloydsLegs on February 21, 2016, 09:46:43 AM
The entire Chicago Tribune "story" on the game is two sentences in the general state round-up section (with Illinois State, EIU, SIU etc.) of the college basketball over-all round up. Oh DePaul.
In same sports section, headline stories on Fenwick beating St Joe's for Catholic title and big wins by Simeon and Morgan Park. How will those kids think of DePaul when they are getting bigger write ups than the DePaul program?
Kids don't read newspapers.
Quote from: jsglow on February 21, 2016, 08:55:38 AM
This is a very important point. Whoever is playing the 4 next year doesn't need to be a prolific scorer. He got to own the middle defensively, rebound and generally be a 'dirty work' player. Without adding anyone at another position, our scoring options will likely be Hani, Luke, JjJ, Duane, Traci and Rowsey. Compare that to last year when nobody beside Carlino could reliably score.
This +100. I think there will be plenty of places to get points from next year, some decent shooters, a few slashers, and Luke as an offensive threat in the middle. Where we will really miss HE is on the glass - on both ends. A Robert Jackson type (of course as I look him up I see he averaged 15 ppg - damn were those quiet - you think about 2003 and you think diener, wade and Novak for your scoring - RJ really was the piece that made that run happen). But even barring the points we just NEED a bulldog on the glass to bang with the big BE bodies - with that next year could be a whole lot of fun, especially since Heldt is looking like he could be a very serviceable back-up big in year 2.
Quote from: 1SE on February 21, 2016, 10:02:01 AM
This +100. I think there will be plenty of places to get points from next year, some decent shooters, a few slashers, and Luke as an offensive threat in the middle. Where we will really miss HE is on the glass - on both ends. A Robert Jackson type (of course as I look him up I see he averaged 15 ppg - damn were those quiet - you think about 2003 and you think diener, wade and Novak for your scoring - RJ really was the piece that made that run happen). But even barring the points we just NEED a bulldog on the glass to bang with the big BE bodies - with that next year could be a whole lot of fun, especially since Heldt is looking like he could be a very serviceable back-up big in year 2.
MU needs one player like you said. Wojo can offer that guy the world, lots of playing time. There has to be one out there, I am surprised they can not find or are not looking at a junior college type kid, like Bob Lackey. Now that would be a nice addition. Any word if they are? Have not heard of anybody yet? Might be just looking at waiting to hear about grad transfers, with experience, this team might be really good next year, we can hope.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on February 21, 2016, 09:49:18 AM
Kids don't read newspapers.
I laughed and then realized of course that you're right.
I'll assume that the social media (lack of) following/interest in DePaul bball tracks the Tribune.
Quote from: LloydsLegs on February 21, 2016, 10:21:48 AM
I laughed and then realized of course that you're right.
I'll assume that the social media (lack of) following/interest in DePaul bball tracks the Tribune.
Their Scout board is a wasteland.
The BE must be ripping their hair out over DePaul. At least St. Johns is trying.
I don't know if I have seen a D1 school seemingly care so little about their premiere athletic program. Some schools just don't have resources. Some schools have academic roadblocks. But DePaul just doesn't care. And that's too bad because the rivalry could be really something special. It could make up for the loss of ND and Louisville.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on February 21, 2016, 10:30:50 AM
Their Scout board is a wasteland.
Is Dodds running the DePaul site, too?
Quote from: tower912 on February 20, 2016, 04:02:49 PM
4. The Marquette alum next to me,"I'veheard this Ellenson guy is pretty good, but I don't know anything else about the team."
You should invite him to watch the team. Most games are on national tv.
Finally looked at the box score -- 16 assists on 26 made baskets is nice to see. And the assists were pretty much spread around the team.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on February 21, 2016, 10:30:50 AM
The BE must be ripping their hair out over DePaul. At least St. Johns is trying.
I wonder if they could, the BEast would trade DePaul for Loyola
Duane starting to alternate heavy-usage games and very low-usage games. It's interesting.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 21, 2016, 10:58:13 AM
Finally looked at the box score -- 16 assists on 26 made baskets is nice to see. And the assists were pretty much spread around the team.
That's 61.5%, which is essentially our season average. The assists to FGM numbers aren't something I get excited about.
MU's #30 in the nation with regard to this stat.. but it doesn't correlate to a good offense. (MU, for example, is #201 in offensive efficiency.) It's more of a descriptive stat -- indicative of style and personnel.
Duke's got a sub-50% assist-to-FGM rate.. but an incredibly efficient offense.
However, I will say I'm impressed with some of JjJ's passes.
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 21, 2016, 11:28:15 AM
Duane starting to alternate heavy-usage games and very low-usage games. It's interesting.
That's 61.5%, which is essentially our season average. The assists to FGM numbers aren't something I get excited about.
MU's #30 in the nation with regard to this stat.. but it doesn't correlate to a good offense. (MU, for example, is #201 in offensive efficiency.) It's more of a descriptive stat -- indicative of style and personnel.
Duke's got a sub-50% assist-to-FGM rate.. but an incredibly efficient offense.
However, I will say I'm impressed with some of JjJ's passes.
Where do you get 201 in offensive efficiency? I see Kenpom has the adjusted offense at 172.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on February 21, 2016, 07:17:50 AM
Yeah like any chick with THAT body went to Marquette.
Hey Sultan. Chick looked that good then and still does. Only difference is blonde hair. Now me on the other hand.......
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on February 21, 2016, 11:38:31 AM
Where do you get 201 in offensive efficiency? I see Kenpom has the adjusted offense at 172.
Since you're already there, you can find 201 at kenpom.com.
By design, his adjusted offense is for PROJECTION PURPOSES, although it does incorporate actual results. Again, by design, the kenpom model is limited in flexibility and a user should make further adjustments for projection purposes.
Nonetheless, the topic at hand was A/FGM, an actual results-based stats.. so I'd prefer to use an unadjusted stat when talking about correlation.
Quote from: jsglow on February 21, 2016, 11:40:55 AM
Hey Sultan. Chick looked that good then and still does. Only difference is blonde hair. Now me on the other hand.......
Wonder if Chick and her fellow chicklets says this about the MU Male Scoopers when they see this guy in this tee? "Yeah like any blaze with THAT body went to Marquette?"
I mean my diet of Real Chili, double hops, curds and the wheel of sausage sampler has left me svelte-like I know.
(http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=50739.0;attach=6027;image)
Quote from: jsglow on February 21, 2016, 11:40:55 AM
Hey Sultan. Chick looked that good then and still does. Only difference is blonde hair. Now me on the other hand.......
Good answer.
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 21, 2016, 11:52:45 AM
Since you're already there, you can find 201 at kenpom.com.
By design, his adjusted offense is for PROJECTION PURPOSES, although it does incorporate actual results. Again, by design, the kenpom model is limited in flexibility and a user should make further adjustments for projection purposes.
Nonetheless, the topic at hand was A/FGM, an actual results-based stats.. so I'd prefer to use an unadjusted stat when talking about correlation.
Got it, thanks
Quote from: jsglow on February 21, 2016, 11:40:55 AM
Hey Sultan. Chick looked that good then and still does.
This post is decidedly incomplete without pics.
Quote from: jsglow on February 21, 2016, 11:40:55 AM
Hey Sultan. Chick looked that good then and still does. Only difference is blonde hair. Now me on the other hand.......
Well played. :)
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 21, 2016, 11:28:15 AM
Duane starting to alternate heavy-usage games and very low-usage games. It's interesting.
That's 61.5%, which is essentially our season average. The assists to FGM numbers aren't something I get excited about.
MU's #30 in the nation with regard to this stat.. but it doesn't correlate to a good offense. (MU, for example, is #201 in offensive efficiency.) It's more of a descriptive stat -- indicative of style and personnel.
Duke's got a sub-50% assist-to-FGM rate.. but an incredibly efficient offense.
However, I will say I'm impressed with some of JjJ's passes.
He had those two one-handed bullets off high dribbles that were flat out beautiful
With all the what we need at the 4 talk, I think the perfect MU player were he available now is Jon Harris. Dude was yoked, could get in there and fight for rebounds and make the other team work on defense, and I believe he was the first "sheriff" in Homer parlance. Guy wasn't really a scorer and his free throws were atrocious but his energy, rebounding, and toughness next year would help take this talent into the tournament next year.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on February 21, 2016, 12:51:01 PM
This post is decidedly incomplete without pics.
#9 - Though shalt not covet thy fellow Scooper's wife.
Quote from: Benny B on February 22, 2016, 09:56:07 AM
#9 - Though shalt not covet thy fellow Scooper's wife.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
I don't covet her. (No offense to her. I'm sure she is quite the catch.)
I just require proof.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on February 22, 2016, 10:19:45 AM
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
I don't covet her. (No offense to her. I'm sure she is quite the catch.)
I just require proof.
Trust but verify eh?
On a basketball related note, MU did a nice job hedging in the high pick and rolls. Luke and Henry came out and turned the PG away from the basket and then recovered well. Looked like Otule. Granted, it was against the back up PG's from DePaul, so it is difficult to tell if it shows an improvement on defense. The true test comes on Wednesday. And then on Saturday. And repeat.
Quote from: tower912 on February 22, 2016, 11:26:10 AM
On a basketball related note, MU did a nice job hedging in the high pick and rolls. Luke and Henry came out and turned the PG away from the basket and then recovered well. Looked like Otule. Granted, it was against the back up PG's from DePaul, so it is difficult to tell if it shows an improvement on defense. The true test comes on Wednesday. And then on Saturday. And repeat.
I understand this----but I just hate to see OTule/now Fischer get a foul hedging on a screen 25' from the hoop. They both found/find themselves in enough foul trouble as it is, when they pick up that cheap foul......and it is Luke's 2nd with 8 minutes to go in the first half and he comes out, I wonder was it worth it? Similar feeling on the 30+ screens that Luke sets on the offensive end...........one of those will get called.....again 25' from the hoop.
Quote from: T-Bone on February 20, 2016, 05:54:47 PM
Side note, how bad is attendance there normally?
DePaul averaged an
announced crowd of 6,238 last season (2014-15), good enough for last in the Big East.
Creighton 17,048
Marquette 13,657
Xavier 9,998
Villanova 9,639
Georgetown 9,630
Providence 8,614
Seton Hall 7,587
St. John's 7,463
Butler 7,373
DePaul 6,238
Butts-in-seats is a different story. According to Crain's Chicago Business, DePaul drew a turnstile count of 32,977 fans last season....total (2,198 per game average). http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20150302/BLOGS04/150229828/depaul-hoops-attendance-up-but-way-below-mcpier-projections
The Marquette game in 2014-15 drew 4,579 fans on New Year's Eve. Even that modest turnstile count was enough to raise DePaul's average turnstile count by 170 people.
This year, it's not much different (numbers are announced attendance, not turnstile count):
Western Michigan (McGrath-Phillips Arena) 4,001
Chicago State 5,215
Arkansas-Little Rock (McGrath-Phillips Arena) 1,740
Northwestern 6,351
George Washington 5,289
--------CONFERENCE SEASON----------
Georgetown 5,873
Butler 5,427
Creighton 5,534
Xavier 6,958
Providence 5,114
Villanova 6,393
Marquette 8,524
DePaul's 2015-16
announced average attendance through 12 games is 4,825. The Marquette game was their highest-drawing game of the year to date, and raised their average announced attendance by 337 people.
Quote from: Buzz Williams' Spillproof Chiclets Cup on February 23, 2016, 08:31:30 AM
DePaul averaged an announced crowd of 6,238 last season (2014-15), good enough for last in the Big East.
Creighton 17,048
Marquette 13,657
Xavier 9,998
Villanova 9,639
Georgetown 9,630
Providence 8,614
Seton Hall 7,587
St. John's 7,463
Butler 7,373
DePaul 6,238
Butts-in-seats is a different story. According to Crain's Chicago Business, DePaul drew a turnstile count of 32,977 fans last season....total (2,198 per game average). http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20150302/BLOGS04/150229828/depaul-hoops-attendance-up-but-way-below-mcpier-projections
The Marquette game in 2014-15 drew 4,579 fans on New Year's Eve. Even that modest turnstile count was enough to raise DePaul's average turnstile count by 170 people.
This year, it's not much different (numbers are announced attendance, not turnstile count):
Western Michigan (McGrath-Phillips Arena) 4,001
Chicago State 5,215
Arkansas-Little Rock (McGrath-Phillips Arena) 1,740
Northwestern 6,351
George Washington 5,289
--------CONFERENCE SEASON----------
Georgetown 5,873
Butler 5,427
Creighton 5,534
Xavier 6,958
Providence 5,114
Villanova 6,393
Marquette 8,524
DePaul's 2015-16 announced average attendance through 12 games is 4,825. The Marquette game was their highest-drawing game of the year to date, and raised their average announced attendance by 337 people.
Wow, interesting stuff.
This one especially stood out to me:
Northwestern 6,351.
That's another Chicago-area program with precious little support. I remember a few Scoopers claiming this would be the year Northwestern would finally "break through." Funny. Even the Cubs get to the playoffs every so often!
Quote from: MU82 on February 23, 2016, 09:13:26 AM
Wow, interesting stuff.
This one especially stood out to me: Northwestern 6,351.
That's another Chicago-area program with precious little support. I remember a few Scoopers claiming this would be the year Northwestern would finally "break through." Funny. Even the Cubs get to the playoffs every so often!
Win and they will come, like with most any team. Also Welsh-Ryan only holds about 8k, so even the sellouts aren't raising the average that much.
Do think Collins gets them to the dance before he's done there, though.
Quote from: RKMU123 on February 23, 2016, 09:21:39 AM
Win and they will come, like with most any team. Also Welsh-Ryan only holds about 8k, so even the sellouts aren't raising the average that much.
Do think Collins gets them to the dance before he's done there, though.
My point is that if Northwestern fans -- both of them -- really wanted to come out and see a game and not be limited to the number of people Welsh-Ryan holds, they could have gone to the Horizon and watched their heroes take on an opponent they likely would defeat (and did actually defeat).
Instead, they mostly said, "meh."
I have no reason to believe Collins will be any more successful than Carmody, O'Neill, Foster or Falk.
Carmody actually put together consecutive 20-win seasons as well as Northwestern's only .500 BT season since the late-60s, but he still never really got close to getting into the tournament.
Hey, it's kind of cool in its own way that Northwestern is the only power-conference team NEVER to have gotten to the NCAAs. Cool and amazing, given the expansion of the tournament.
Quote from: MU82 on February 23, 2016, 09:13:26 AM
Wow, interesting stuff.
This one especially stood out to me: Northwestern 6,351.
That's another Chicago-area program with precious little support. I remember a few Scoopers claiming this would be the year Northwestern would finally "break through." Funny. Even the Cubs get to the playoffs every so often!
I actually read an article on a Northwestern blog that proposed the idea of a "Chicago Five" modeled on Philadelphia's Big Five. The author seemed unaware of the fact that the Big Five works because all five teams in the Big Five (Villanova, Penn, St. Joe's, LaSalle, and Temple) are actually good. They make frequent trips to the NCAA.
In contrast, the "Chicago Five" proposal was offered as a way to help juice the attendance problems of:
Northwestern (never made NCAA)
DePaul (2 NCAA berths since 1993, none since 2004)
Loyola (1 NCAA berth since 1969, none since 1985)
UIC (3 NCAA berths in 35 years, none since 2004, zero NCAA wins)
and Chicago State (Never made NCAA).
In short, the Big Five works because of the programs, not for the programs.
Quote from: Buzz Williams' Spillproof Chiclets Cup on February 23, 2016, 09:29:32 AM
I actually read an article on a Northwestern blog that proposed the idea of a "Chicago Five" modeled on Philadelphia's Big Five. The author seemed unaware of the fact that the Big Five works because all five teams in the Big Five (Villanova, Penn, St. Joe's, LaSalle, and Temple) are actually good. They make frequent trips to the NCAA.
In contrast, the "Chicago Five" proposal was offered as a way to help juice the attendance problems of:
Northwestern (never made NCAA)
DePaul (2 NCAA berths since 1993, none since 2004)
Loyola (1 NCAA berth since 1969, none since 1985)
UIC (3 NCAA berths in 35 years, none since 2004, zero NCAA wins)
and Chicago State (Never made NCAA).
In short, the Big Five works because of the programs, not for the programs.
Reading about a "Chicago Five" made me think "well it must be a poor-man's version of the Philly Big Five"
But wowzers. After seeing the actual "Chicago Five" list, I see that it's not a poor-man's version of the Philly Big Five, it's a I-have-shingles-and-my-wife-just-left-me-for-my-best-friend-hey-can-you-spare-ninety-cents-so-that-I-can-catch-the-bus-home version of the Philly Big Five.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on February 21, 2016, 10:30:50 AM
The BE must be ripping their hair out over DePaul. At least St. Johns is trying.
I would pay to watch SPASH play DePaul without Billy Garrett Jr
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on February 23, 2016, 10:24:17 AM
I would pay to watch SPASH play DePaul without Billy Garrett Jr
I know this is probably tongue in cheek but DePaul would win by 50+
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on February 23, 2016, 10:42:35 AM
I know this is probably tongue in cheek but DePaul would win by 50+
Which is why I would want to see it :) bring back memories of DePaul destroying people
Quote from: Eldon on February 23, 2016, 10:15:09 AM
Reading about a "Chicago Five" made me think "well it must be a poor-man's version of the Philly Big Five"
But wowzers. After seeing the actual "Chicago Five" list, I see that it's not a poor-man's version of the Philly Big Five, it's a I-have-shingles-and-my-wife-just-left-me-for-my-best-friend-hey-can-you-spare-ninety-cents-so-that-I-can-catch-the-bus-home version of the Philly Big Five.
The 5 Chicago area (Cook County) D1 schools have combined for one NCAA tournament win since 1990 (DePaul over Dayton in 2004).
A "Milwaukee Five" of Marquette, UWM, Cardinal Stritch, Wisconsin Lutheran and Mount Mary* might be better basketball than the "Chicago Five."
*Won the playoff game v. Alverno.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on February 23, 2016, 01:38:55 PM
A "Milwaukee Five" of Marquette, UWM, Cardinal Stritch, Wisconsin Lutheran and Mount Mary* might be better basketball than the "Chicago Five."
*Won the playoff game v. Alverno.
Concordia University would be a better fifth.
What?! MSOE doesn't get any love?
Quote from: BrewCity83 on February 23, 2016, 02:00:03 PM
Concordia University would be a better fifth.
They're in Mequon. I am being geographically accurate here.
Quote from: Buzz Williams' Spillproof Chiclets Cup on February 23, 2016, 09:29:32 AM
I actually read an article on a Northwestern blog that proposed the idea of a "Chicago Five" modeled on Philadelphia's Big Five. The author seemed unaware of the fact that the Big Five works because all five teams in the Big Five (Villanova, Penn, St. Joe's, LaSalle, and Temple) are actually good. They make frequent trips to the NCAA.
In contrast, the "Chicago Five" proposal was offered as a way to help juice the attendance problems of:
Northwestern (never made NCAA)
DePaul (2 NCAA berths since 1993, none since 2004)
Loyola (1 NCAA berth since 1969, none since 1985)
UIC (3 NCAA berths in 35 years, none since 2004, zero NCAA wins)
and Chicago State (Never made NCAA).
In short, the Big Five works because of the programs, not for the programs.
When Chicago St. closes its doors they can add Simeon. They'd probably win the darn thing.