Wow!!
1. As much as I want to give it to the Engine, HE had the best game of the season, so HE. 32, 10 and 6.
1a. The Engine. Great job running the offense and shooting. Great game.
3. Hanie. His D on Dunham was phenomenal. I know Dunham got points but Hanie shadowed him pretty damn well.
4. Du. Hit some big shots.
Go Warriors!
Henry.
Traci.
Team defense
Henry
Traci
JJJ
Haanif
If you would have told me Carter would go 5-7 from 3, I would have said hands down he has to be the SOTG.
But Henry, one of the best games by a MU player since Novak re. Uconn. Easy Easy decision, HE for SOTG.
Just about any other win and the Engine's performance would have easily been SOTG.
Has their ever been co-SOTG? With Engine's performance their is no win.
Great, great game Henry.
Also Traci played at another level.
Congrats to a team that put it together.
Henry
Henry
Henry
The student section
Lighthouse nailed it.
Henry. Made himself a lot of money today.
Henry had the kind of game we have all been wanting to see him have.
Henry!
The obvious:
Henry
Traci
JJJ
Shout out to Traci "the Honey Badger" Cart3r, but Henry had an unreal game. Hank for SOTG easily
/ this thread.
Great game for Traci, but this a no brainer for Hank.
Heldt, no brainer
But seriously, HeNBA
Quote from: Sheriff on January 30, 2016, 01:14:56 PM
Henry. Made himself a lot of money today.
Today? He had a lot of money coming his way for a long time now.
Sorry Engine. Hank gets SOTG
Henry. Can we start being positive again now?
Henry is obvious but Traci going off like he did was the key ,I think, to keeping too much pressure on HE
Going to go against the grain and say TC
HE - but traci getting hot was awesome to see.
HE-man!!
Traci
Wojo mentioned on 540 right after the game that they are finally starting to figure out what a "good shot" is and taking confident outside shots after ball movement.
Henry
TC
Stan J...well dressed and was all over the place
With 5+ minutes to go in the game I was going to argue that this game should have co sotg. Then Wojo benched Carter and he did not play. I found that a little bewildering as I felt Haanif was making some critical mistakes. Maybe Wojo was saving Carter to replace Wilson, if Wilson fouled out.
Not playing the last five minutes takes Carter of the picture for me. Great game though and we definitely do not win this game without him.
I post this a lot but the fact that anyone is even thinking Carter could be co-stud shows how much Ellenson is under-appreciated. 32 points, 10 rebounds and 6 blocks. 57% shooting and 14-16 from the line. It's Ellenson. It's not close.
That said, Carter did hit some huge shots and I'm not trying to take anything away from him. But SOTG isn't close.
Two plays stood out for me that really made me stand up and take notice of Henry today:
1) When Roosevelt Jones was killing us with that curl, he went at Henry. Hank used his length to push Jones wide and prevent the easy drive to the hoop. After watching that play seemingly on instant replay all day, it was fantastic to see Henry make a smart, savvy defensive move to stop Butler's go-to.
2) Henry was pinned on the baseline and instead of forcing up a floater or tossing a bad pass, he drove straight at the defense even though there was zero chance of scoring. There was, however, a chance of drawing a foul, which he did and hit both free throws. It wasn't the pretty play, but it was the tough play.
Today was Henry's best game BY FAR in a Marquette uniform. His shot selection was better. Only two three attempts. The first one I wasn't a fan of, the second was late in the shot clock and he drilled it. His offensive rebound putback was monstrous, for a guy who's been relatively invisible on the offensive glass, that was huge. Don't forget, Butler pushed Purdue's front line around. Henry didn't allow that. Very impressed. Will he be able to replicate this? Who knows. But despite Traci's lights out longball performance, despite Duane's clutch baskets, despite everything else good that happened, Henry was the man.
SOTG without a doubt.
HE, obviously
Haanif for his great D
Traci
Henry......Next game is Traci's
Who was the poster that thought Hank would be here for 4 years?
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 30, 2016, 04:18:37 PM
Who was the poster that thought Hank would be here for 4 years?
MU Fan in NY I think? Might not be the exact username.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 30, 2016, 01:29:47 PM
Today? He had a lot of money coming his way for a long time now.
Sorry Engine. Hank gets SOTG
So you don't think the show he put on today for the scouts in the house had any impact on his market value?
Quote from: Sheriff on January 30, 2016, 04:43:17 PM
So you don't think the show he put on today for the scouts in the house had any impact on his market value?
Henry is a lottery pick regardless. They aren't drafting him for what he can do today, they're drafting him for his potential. He has revealed that all season long, and the deficiencies people point out are all things that can be fixed with coaching.
Henry. What an awesome performance to watch. Great team win, with key contributions up and down the roster, but Henry played like an All-American.
Any y'all who can't see da pro in Henry right now are either basketball ignorant, plain ignorant, or both, ai na?
Quote from: Sheriff on January 30, 2016, 04:43:17 PM
So you don't think the show he put on today for the scouts in the house had any impact on his market value?
I don't think today's performance had one iota of an effect on how much Henry Ellenson will make playing basketball. NBA scouts and GMs don't look into individual performances when they're evaluating who they're taking on their team. That's the thing that a lot of people on this site seem to somehow not understand. Hank's 32, 10, and 6 today means just as little as Hank's 12 and 11 against Stetson on Wednesday.
Hank was going to be a top 10 pick in the 2016 NBA Draft as of yesterday, Hank is going to be a top 10 pick in the 2016 NBA Draft as of today, and Hank will be a top 10 pick in the 2016 NBA Draft as of tomorrow. The only possible way a single game performance will change his draft position is if he suffers a serious injury prior to the NBA Draft in June.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 30, 2016, 03:41:23 PM
Two plays stood out for me that really made me stand up and take notice of Henry today:
1) When Roosevelt Jones was killing us with that curl, he went at Henry. Hank used his length to push Jones wide and prevent the easy drive to the hoop. After watching that play seemingly on instant replay all day, it was fantastic to see Henry make a smart, savvy defensive move to stop Butler's go-to.
2) Henry was pinned on the baseline and instead of forcing up a floater or tossing a bad pass, he drove straight at the defense even though there was zero chance of scoring. There was, however, a chance of drawing a foul, which he did and hit both free throws. It wasn't the pretty play, but it was the tough play.
Today was Henry's best game BY FAR in a Marquette uniform. His shot selection was better. Only two three attempts. The first one I wasn't a fan of, the second was late in the shot clock and he drilled it. His offensive rebound putback was monstrous, for a guy who's been relatively invisible on the offensive glass, that was huge. Don't forget, Butler pushed Purdue's front line around. Henry didn't allow that. Very impressed. Will he be able to replicate this? Who knows. But despite Traci's lights out longball performance, despite Duane's clutch baskets, despite everything else good that happened, Henry was the man.
SOTG without a doubt.
Well, Swanigan did go for 25 and 10 and Hammons a decent 12 and 7.
Not to mention I think Purdue's front line is completely overrated.
Henry.
Great games by Traci, Haanif and JJJ.
Henri
HE is da man
sidenote:
someone should just pick out a random group of astute looking gentlemen with matching fedora's before every game and tell traci they are all scouts checking him out-heyna?
Quote from: wadesworld on January 30, 2016, 04:55:06 PM
I don't think today's performance had one iota of an effect on how much Henry Ellenson will make playing basketball. NBA scouts and GMs don't look into individual performances when they're evaluating who they're taking on their team. That's the thing that a lot of people on this site seem to somehow not understand. Hank's 32, 10, and 6 today means just as little as Hank's 12 and 11 against Stetson on Wednesday.
Hank was going to be a top 10 pick in the 2016 NBA Draft as of yesterday, Hank is going to be a top 10 pick in the 2016 NBA Draft as of today, and Hank will be a top 10 pick in the 2016 NBA Draft as of tomorrow. The only possible way a single game performance will change his draft position is if he suffers a serious injury prior to the NBA Draft in June.
Agree that Henry is and always was a top ten pick regardless of individual performances. But does getting drafted fourth vs seventh make a difference in pay? Honestly don't know how the nba rookie contracts work.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 30, 2016, 05:24:00 PM
Agree that Henry is and always was a top ten pick regardless of individual performances. But does getting drafted fourth vs seventh make a difference in pay? Honestly don't know how the nba rookie contracts work.
Per your request:
http://fansided.com/2015/06/25/nba-draft-2015-rookie-salaries/
Very nice money. Very nice.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 30, 2016, 05:24:00 PM
Agree that Henry is and always was a top ten pick regardless of individual performances. But does getting drafted fourth vs seventh make a difference in pay? Honestly don't know how the nba rookie contracts work.
Yes it makes a difference, but again, the point is being missed. NBA GMs and scouts didn't just bump Henry up on their big board because he went for 32, 10, and 6 blocks on Butler, just like they didn't bump him down because he went for 12 and 11 against Stetson like some here think they did.
If Simmons had gone for 4, 5, and 2 against OU while shooting 2 for 13 NBA scouts and GMs aren't going to be sitting there thinking, "Hank was a hell of a lot better against a still good Butler team than Simmons was against OU. We like Hank over Simmons."
That's simply not how it works.
Henry
First of many great games in a Warrior uniform.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 30, 2016, 05:42:44 PM
Yes it makes a difference, but again, the point is being missed. NBA GMs and scouts didn't just bump Henry up on their big board because he went for 32, 10, and 6 blocks on Butler, just like they didn't bump him down because he went for 12 and 11 against Stetson like some here think they did.
If Simmons had gone for 4, 5, and 2 against OU while shooting 2 for 13 NBA scouts and GMs aren't going to be sitting there thinking, "Hank was a hell of a lot better against a still good Butler team than Simmons was against OU. We like Hank over Simmons."
That's simply not how it works.
I get that. One game surely doesn't bump you up or down a big board. But how you play over the course does. I don't mean the stats you accumulate but the skill, talent, and potential you show during games throughout the season, otherwise, what's the point of scouts coming to games? Its better that Henry played well than didn't. Today alone won't move him up the draft board. But today's performance, combined with the other good performances throughout the season might move him up a spot or two.
In conclusion, I think it is unfair to imply today and today alone got Henry drafted. I also think it is unfair to say that him playing well today didn't help his draft status one iota.
1) Henry
2) All those scoopers who stood up for the Engine just asking for a little patience.
Quote from: nyg on January 30, 2016, 05:29:51 PM
Per your request:
http://fansided.com/2015/06/25/nba-draft-2015-rookie-salaries/
Very nice money. Very nice.
Interesting.
I obviously don't think HE is going to stay another year, but maybe just maybe, he wants to play another year with his bro and this chart is taped to his door. Maybe he goes between 6-10 this year, but maybe he wants to go #1 next year. Obviously the risk is he gets hurt, but the upside is as high as $15+ million over his first four years in the league. That's gotta be worth something, right?
Also, pretty sure NBA rookie contracts are supposed to go up in one of the next couple years.
Crazier things have happened.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 30, 2016, 07:39:54 PM
Interesting.
I obviously don't think HE is going to stay another year, but maybe just maybe, he wants to play another year with his bro and this chart is taped to his door. Maybe he goes between 6-10 this year, but maybe he wants to go #1 next year. Obviously the risk is he gets hurt, but the upside is as high as $15+ million over his first four years in the league. That's gotta be worth something, right?
Also, pretty sure NBA rookie contracts are supposed to go up in one of the next couple years.
Crazier things have happened.
Will the chart taped to his door also have a sheet accompanying it reminding him that his 2016-2017 season earnings could be either $0.00 or $3M while his 2019-2020 earnings would be either $8M (which would assume the #1 overall pick in 2017...which he wouldn't be...) or $20M?
See how quickly that "$15M+" really becomes -$11M?
Quote from: wadesworld on January 30, 2016, 07:54:05 PM
Will the chart taped to his door also have a sheet accompanying it reminding him that his 2016-2017 season earnings could be either $0.00 or $3M while his 2019-2020 earnings would be either $8M (which would assume the #1 overall pick in 2017...which he wouldn't be...) or $20M?
See how quickly that "$15M+" really becomes -$11M?
No I don't follow your math.
$3M + $12M (diff between $20M and $8M) = $15M, which would even it out. Plus assuming he gets $20M AAV in his first FA contract is pretty crazy.
He'll still go, but there's a significant different between #1 pick and #10 pick.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 30, 2016, 08:30:38 PM
No I don't follow your math.
$3M + $12M (diff between $20M and $8M) = $15M, which would even it out. Plus assuming he gets $20M AAV in his first FA contract is pretty crazy.
He'll still go, but there's a significant different between #1 pick and #10 pick.
1st of all he'll be higher than 10 this year and he wouldn't be 1 if he hung around. But we'll go with your "+15M" on his first contract alone.
I went with Hank at 7 in 16 (where Ford has him) compared to 1 the next year (again, where he wouldn't be). If Hank stayed and went 1 overall it'd be:
16-17 season: -$3M
17-18 season: +$2M (net -$1M through 2 years)
18-19 season: +3.5M (net +2.5M)
So now in order to come out positive Hank's 2nd contract would have to be over $10M/year (getting just under $8M in his final year of his rookie contract plus the +2.5 he'd net over the next 3 years). That's not all that hard to imagine from a top 10 draft pick, especially with the salary cap going way up but the rookie scale saying roughly the same, from what I understand. And again this assumes Hank goes 1 overall if he stays an extra year (which I don't think there is a chance of).
The best bet for Hank to make the most money in his career is to get his first contract started ASAP.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 30, 2016, 08:30:38 PM
No I don't follow your math.
$3M + $12M (diff between $20M and $8M) = $15M, which would even it out. Plus assuming he gets $20M AAV in his first FA contract is pretty crazy.
He'll still go, but there's a significant different between #1 pick and #10 pick.
He won't be the number one pick in 2017. Very deep class.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 30, 2016, 08:58:57 PM
He won't be the number one pick in 2017. Very deep class.
Agreed, but I doubt he thinks that way. Look, 98% HE is gone, but you never know what a 19 YO kid is thinking. I am sure he wants to get to the show ASAP tho.
Just checking the board now...and fully expected the quickest SOTG call ever....clear cut...no brainer....done deal
HENRY
Watched some of the LSU vs. O game and Henry works a hell of a lot harder than Simmons. He seems to be always working while Simmons does a lot of standing around.
HE the man
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 30, 2016, 04:18:37 PM
Who was the poster that thought Hank would be here for 4 years?
That would be me. I have consistently said it is not evaluation of his talent or lack of draft-ability that would keep him here. Rather, I think he may enjoy the college experience. He is here with brother and friends, playing in great environments in meaningful games. Marquette is a desirable school that kids enjoy. Lots of other good players have stayed 4 years and have not been hurt from it.
Ty Hansbrough , who had an incredible college career,stayed 4 years at UNC . I am sure he is glad he stayed and had all the great experiences that led to winning a national championship. He has been a journey man pro. Making money, yes, but nowhere near as fun.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on January 31, 2016, 09:57:08 AM
That would be me. I have consistently said it is not evaluation of his talent or lack of draft-ability that would keep him here. Rather, I think he may enjoy the college experience. He is here with brother and friends, playing in great environments in meaningful games. Marquette is a desirable school that kids enjoy. Lots of other good players have stayed 4 years and have not been hurt from it.
Ty Hansbrough , who had an incredible college career,stayed 4 years at UNC . I am sure he is glad he stayed and had all the great experiences that led to winning a national championship. He has been a journey man pro. Making money, yes, but nowhere near as fun.
And you know that he isn't having as much fun how?
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 31, 2016, 10:04:20 AM
And you know that he isn't having as much fun how?
Several articles written to that effect.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 30, 2016, 08:50:13 PM
1st of all he'll be higher than 10 this year and he wouldn't be 1 if he hung around. But we'll go with your "+15M" on his first contract alone.
I went with Hank at 7 in 16 (where Ford has him) compared to 1 the next year (again, where he wouldn't be). If Hank stayed and went 1 overall it'd be:
16-17 season: -$3M
17-18 season: +$2M (net -$1M through 2 years)
18-19 season: +3.5M (net +2.5M)
So now in order to come out positive Hank's 2nd contract would have to be over $10M/year (getting just under $8M in his final year of his rookie contract plus the +2.5 he'd net over the next 3 years). That's not all that hard to imagine from a top 10 draft pick, especially with the salary cap going way up but the rookie scale saying roughly the same, from what I understand. And again this assumes Hank goes 1 overall if he stays an extra year (which I don't think there is a chance of).
The best bet for Hank to make the most money in his career is to get his first contract started ASAP.
You have to get the early money, just in case a the presidential candiate that thinks a 90% tax rate is a good idea gets elected.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 30, 2016, 08:50:13 PM
1st of all he'll be higher than 10 this year and he wouldn't be 1 if he hung around. But we'll go with your "+15M" on his first contract alone.
I went with Hank at 7 in 16 (where Ford has him) compared to 1 the next year (again, where he wouldn't be). If Hank stayed and went 1 overall it'd be:
16-17 season: -$3M
17-18 season: +$2M (net -$1M through 2 years)
18-19 season: +3.5M (net +2.5M)
So now in order to come out positive Hank's 2nd contract would have to be over $10M/year (getting just under $8M in his final year of his rookie contract plus the +2.5 he'd net over the next 3 years). That's not all that hard to imagine from a top 10 draft pick, especially with the salary cap going way up but the rookie scale saying roughly the same, from what I understand. And again this assumes Hank goes 1 overall if he stays an extra year (which I don't think there is a chance of).
The best bet for Hank to make the most money in his career is to get his first contract started ASAP.
The guy might be getting some righteous tail as the BMOC. Where better for a man to graze at the smorgasbord of sexual variety than as a broke teenager at a small Catholic college in the Great White North Rustbelt?
Quote from: keefe on January 31, 2016, 11:30:35 AM
The guy might be getting some righteous tail as the BMOC. Where better for a man to graze at the smorgasbord of sexual variety than as a broke teenager at a small Catholic college in the Great White North Rustbelt?
road games baby, road games!
"That would be me. I have consistently said it is not evaluation of his talent or lack of draft-ability that would keep him here. Rather, I think he may enjoy the college experience. He is here with brother and friends, playing in great environments in meaningful games. Marquette is a desirable school that kids enjoy. Lots of other good players have stayed 4 years and have not been hurt from it. "
i'm with ya on this NY fan. i'm might have even posted something similar or was thinking the same. one can always dream though. selfish us?come on henry, show us some of that jesuit love and stay one more
Most players in Henry's situation would declare for the NBA draft. Kevin Durant and Derrick Rose were obviously ready for the pros. But that's not all players. And money isn't the only deciding factor.
Kris Dunn decided to stay after a freshman year when he was projected to go in the top 15. Dekker and Kaminsky could have both declared a year earlier than they did. Going back further, Tim Duncan graduated from Wake Forest as a 3-time All American.
I'm much more concerned about how the team is playing right now and our chances of making the NCAAs than I am about what Henry may or may not decide after the season.
Quote from: BlindboyPatSmith on January 30, 2016, 09:51:12 PM
Just checking the board now...and fully expected the quickest SOTG call ever....clear cut...no brainer....done deal
HENRY
Wrong. I give it to the freshman PG Traci Carter...5 treys were big time.
Quote from: bilsu on January 31, 2016, 11:22:29 AM
You have to get the early money, just in case a the presidential candiate that thinks a 90% tax rate is a good idea gets elected.
Or maybe in case a chicken-hawk warmonger decides to start WW3.
I haven't been wading in the sewer that is the politics board to get away from this crapola.
Quote from: MUHoopsFan2 on February 01, 2016, 01:03:26 AM
Wrong. I give it to the freshman PG Traci Carter...5 treys were big time.
Over the guy who went 32/10????
Quote from: MU82 on February 01, 2016, 08:27:27 AM
Or maybe in case a chicken-hawk warmonger decides to start WW3.
I haven't been wading in the sewer that is the politics board to get away from this crapola.
Whoa, 82. Crapola? Just as I've chuckled at some of your slightly left leaning political humor I found Bilsu's joke on topic and funny. Lighten up.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 01, 2016, 09:24:22 AM
Whoa, 82. Crapola? Just as I've chuckled at some of your slightly left leaning political humor I found Bilsu's joke on topic and funny. Lighten up.
What? World War III isn't funny? Who knew?
Quote from: MU82 on February 01, 2016, 09:40:07 AM
What? World War III isn't funny? Who knew?
Any board that can find a way to make Hiroshima a punch line can do the same for WW 3.
didn't want tyo start a whole new topic-henry wins big east coach bias player of the week
http://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/2016/2/1/10889410/henry-ellenson-marquette-golden-eagles-big-east-coast-bias-player-of-the-week-award
pardon my being born on a turnip truck, but what is a coach bias?
go HE, but stay stay stay
Quote from: rocket surgeon on February 01, 2016, 05:13:42 PM
didn't want tyo start a whole new topic-henry wins big east coach bias player of the week
http://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/2016/2/1/10889410/henry-ellenson-marquette-golden-eagles-big-east-coast-bias-player-of-the-week-award
pardon my being born on a turnip truck, but what is a coach bias?
go HE, but stay stay stay
That would be "Big East COAST Bias".