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Title: Butler / MU (Kenpom/RPI)
Post by: WarriorPride68 on January 29, 2016, 04:13:56 PM
Overall:
Butler - #38
Marquette - #118

Offense:
Butler - #21
Marquette - #225

Defense:
Butler - #125
Marquette - #42

SOS:
Butler - #76
Marquette - #200

RPI:
Butler - #59
Marquette - #124
Title: Re: Butler / MU (Kenpom/RPI)
Post by: MattyWarrior on January 29, 2016, 05:50:51 PM
wow,thats a huge diferrence
Title: Re: Butler / MU (Kenpom/RPI)
Post by: #UnleashSean on January 29, 2016, 06:30:35 PM
Pray for us
Title: Re: Butler / MU (Kenpom/RPI)
Post by: Loose Cannon on January 29, 2016, 06:45:03 PM


  Please hide this from the players.........They think they can WIN.
Title: Re: Butler / MU (Kenpom/RPI)
Post by: LAZER on January 29, 2016, 06:59:48 PM
Only a 3 point spread.
Title: Re: Butler / MU (Kenpom/RPI)
Post by: Oldgym on January 29, 2016, 07:09:49 PM
Well, at least it's a home ga...uhhh...wait a minute.
Title: Re: Butler / MU (Kenpom/RPI)
Post by: AZMarqfan on January 29, 2016, 07:25:44 PM
so you're saying there's a chance!!!
Title: Re: Butler / MU (Kenpom/RPI)
Post by: Loose Cannon on January 30, 2016, 04:29:20 PM
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on January 29, 2016, 04:13:56 PM
Overall:
Butler - #38
Marquette - #118

Offense:
Butler - #21
Marquette - #225

Defense:
Butler - #125
Marquette - #42

SOS:
Butler - #76
Marquette - #200

RPI:
Butler - #59
Marquette - #124


Thank God these were hid from the players........"Ignorance is Bliss"...Thomas  Gray
Title: Re: Butler / MU (Kenpom/RPI)
Post by: WarriorPride68 on January 30, 2016, 04:32:06 PM
Quote from: Loose Cannon on January 30, 2016, 04:29:20 PM

Thank God these were hid from the players........"Ignorance is Bliss"...Thomas  Gray

Good call. Now we got to hide these from the selection committee & just show them our record  ;)
Title: Re: Butler / MU (Kenpom/RPI)
Post by: BM1090 on January 30, 2016, 04:35:45 PM
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on January 30, 2016, 04:32:06 PM
Good call. Now we got to hide these from the selection committee & just show them our record  ;)

If we win 8 more games in the regular season and BET combined, the numbers will sort themselves out. Long way to go.
Title: Re: Butler / MU (Kenpom/RPI)
Post by: Loose Cannon on January 30, 2016, 04:36:31 PM
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on January 30, 2016, 04:32:06 PM
Good call. Now we got to hide these from the selection committee & just show them our record  ;)

You Bet.
Title: Re: Butler / MU (Kenpom/RPI)
Post by: WarriorPride68 on January 30, 2016, 04:59:14 PM
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on January 29, 2016, 04:13:56 PM
Overall:
Butler - #38
Marquette - #118

Updated Kenpom after the game:

Butler - #45 (-7)
Marquette - #112 (+6)
Title: Re: Butler / MU (Kenpom/RPI)
Post by: rocket surgeon on January 30, 2016, 05:12:33 PM
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on January 30, 2016, 04:59:14 PM
Updated Kenpom after the game:

Butler - #45 (-7)
Marquette - #112 (+6)

only +6?  wow
Title: Re: Butler / MU (Kenpom/RPI)
Post by: WarriorPride68 on January 30, 2016, 05:14:21 PM
Quote from: rocket surgeon on January 30, 2016, 05:12:33 PM
only +6?  wow

Should fluctuate another few spots depending on tonight's games as well. Hopefully rises more tomorrow morning.

RPI will be interesting to check out as well Tmr morning
Title: Re: Butler / MU (Kenpom/RPI)
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 30, 2016, 05:24:34 PM
So, does Butler feel chitty tonight 'cuz they lost today to an also ran, hey?
Title: Re: Butler / MU (Kenpom/RPI)
Post by: BM1090 on January 30, 2016, 05:26:40 PM
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on January 30, 2016, 05:14:21 PM
Should fluctuate another few spots depending on tonight's games as well. Hopefully rises more tomorrow morning.

RPI will be interesting to check out as well Tmr morning

RPI has gone up 16 spots to 108 as of now, obviously pending the results the rest of the night. I'd imagine we get a few more spots if LSU holds on to beat Oklahoma.
Title: Re: Butler / MU (Kenpom/RPI)
Post by: WarriorPride68 on January 30, 2016, 05:29:03 PM
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on January 30, 2016, 05:26:40 PM
RPI has gone up 16 spots to 108 as of now, obviously pending the results the rest of the night. I'd imagine we get a few more spots if LSU holds on to beat Oklahoma.

Good to hear. I go off the NCAA site which hasn't been updated yet, which one do you use? Just curious
Title: Re: Butler / MU (Kenpom/RPI)
Post by: BM1090 on January 30, 2016, 05:30:22 PM
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on January 30, 2016, 05:29:03 PM
Good to hear. I go off the NCAA site which hasn't been updated yet, which one do you use? Just curious

http://www.rpiforecast.com/live-rpi.html

It updates after the completion of each game.
Title: Re: Butler / MU (Kenpom/RPI)
Post by: WarriorPride68 on January 30, 2016, 05:31:59 PM
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on January 30, 2016, 05:30:22 PM
http://www.rpiforecast.com/live-rpi.html

It updates after the completion of each game.

Very cool. Appreciate the link
Title: Re: Butler / MU (Kenpom/RPI)
Post by: WarriorPride68 on January 30, 2016, 06:10:10 PM
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on January 30, 2016, 05:26:40 PM
I'd imagine we get a few more spots if LSU holds on to beat Oklahoma.

LSU choked that game away sooo bad
Title: Re: Butler / MU (Kenpom/RPI)
Post by: forgetful on January 30, 2016, 07:01:11 PM
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on January 30, 2016, 06:10:10 PM
LSU choked that game away sooo bad

Simmons is a lazy lazy college basketball player. 

Hield, is unbelievable.
Title: Re: Butler / MU (Kenpom/RPI)
Post by: BM1090 on January 30, 2016, 07:09:59 PM
Quote from: forgetful on January 30, 2016, 07:01:11 PM
Simmons is a lazy lazy college basketball player. 

Hield, is unbelievable.

Simmons is averaging 20, 12 and 5, on 55% shooting. Now, I haven't watched LSU much this year, but I have a real hard time believing he is lazy.

Hield....yeah, he's unreal. NPOY for sure.
Title: Re: Butler / MU (Kenpom/RPI)
Post by: forgetful on January 30, 2016, 07:16:53 PM
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on January 30, 2016, 07:09:59 PM
Simmons is averaging 20, 12 and 5, on 55% shooting. Now, I haven't watched LSU much this year, but I have a real hard time believing he is lazy.

Hield....yeah, he's unreal. NPOY for sure.

Simmons has great ability, but he doesn't play with any passion.  Against OU, he just stood around and watched 90% of the time. 

He can dominate when he wants, he's just lazy and watches most of the time.
Title: Re: Butler / MU (Kenpom/RPI)
Post by: BM1090 on January 30, 2016, 07:18:59 PM
Quote from: forgetful on January 30, 2016, 07:16:53 PM
Simmons has great ability, but he doesn't play with any passion.  Against OU, he just stood around and watched 90% of the time. 

He can dominate when he wants, he's just lazy and watches most of the time.

Personally, I'd attribute that more to Johnny Jones being useless than I would to Simmons, but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Butler / MU (Kenpom/RPI)
Post by: WarriorPride68 on January 30, 2016, 07:36:41 PM
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on January 30, 2016, 07:18:59 PM
Personally, I'd attribute that more to Johnny Jones being useless than I would to Simmons, but I could be wrong.

Just looked him up (didn't know much about him). 190-146 in 11 years & 0-2 in NCAA tournament at North Texas before he left (Our guy Tony Benford replaced him).

How did he land Ben Simmons & recruited so well last couple years?
Title: Re: Butler / MU (Kenpom/RPI)
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 30, 2016, 08:01:58 PM
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on January 30, 2016, 07:36:41 PM
Just looked him up (didn't know much about him). 190-146 in 11 years & 0-2 in NCAA tournament at North Texas before he left (Our guy Tony Benford replaced him).

How did he land Ben Simmons & recruited so well last couple years?

(http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/article/media_slots/photos/000/443/725/LSUGirls_crop_exact.jpg?w=340&h=262&q=85)

He convinced the Les Miles to let him use the hostess program
Title: Re: Butler / MU (Kenpom/RPI)
Post by: GGGG on January 30, 2016, 08:04:40 PM
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on January 30, 2016, 07:36:41 PM
Just looked him up (didn't know much about him). 190-146 in 11 years & 0-2 in NCAA tournament at North Texas before he left (Our guy Tony Benford replaced him).

How did he land Ben Simmons & recruited so well last couple years?


Well in Simmons' case, his godfather is on the LSU staff.
Title: Re: Butler / MU (Kenpom/RPI)
Post by: brewcity77 on January 30, 2016, 08:35:32 PM
Quote from: forgetful on January 30, 2016, 07:01:11 PM
Simmons is a lazy lazy college basketball player. 

Hield, is unbelievable.

Simmons seems to shirk to the biggest moments every time. He's got a long way to go to be ready to be a NBA superstar.
Title: Re: Butler / MU (Kenpom/RPI)
Post by: MU82 on January 30, 2016, 09:21:24 PM
As usual, I am thankful that games are actually played and not just decided beforehand by Kenpom.

Does Kenpom still have Bucky ranked No. 1 in the world like they did for about a decade?
Title: Re: Butler / MU (Kenpom/RPI)
Post by: martyconlonontherun on January 30, 2016, 09:33:39 PM
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 30, 2016, 08:35:32 PM
Simmons seems to shirk to the biggest moments every time. He's got a long way to go to be ready to be a NBA superstar.

Is that bad? Five years is eternity and he still will be 24 at that point.
Title: Re: Butler / MU (Kenpom/RPI)
Post by: WarriorPride68 on January 30, 2016, 09:54:53 PM
Quote from: MU82 on January 30, 2016, 09:21:24 PM
As usual, I am thankful that games are actually played and not just decided beforehand by Kenpom.

Does Kenpom still have Bucky ranked No. 1 in the world like they did for about a decade?

You do realize the NCAA selection committee uses Kenpom, right?

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/mens-basketball-selections-101-selections
Title: Re: Butler / MU (Kenpom/RPI)
Post by: WarriorPride68 on January 30, 2016, 09:57:15 PM
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 30, 2016, 08:04:40 PM

Well in Simmons' case, his godfather is on the LSU staff.

Ahh thank you, that makes a lot more sense now. Was wondering how they landed such a unique talent. Thanks again Sultan
Title: Re: Butler / MU (Kenpom/RPI)
Post by: MU82 on January 30, 2016, 10:03:59 PM
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on January 30, 2016, 09:54:53 PM
You do realize the NCAA selection committee uses Kenpom, right?

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/mens-basketball-selections-101-selections

Well then, they're dopey too!

Next thing I'll hear is that NBA GMs use Value Add to judge potential draftees!
Title: Re: Butler / MU (Kenpom/RPI)
Post by: WarriorPride68 on January 31, 2016, 12:11:14 AM
Updated with all the games played:

MU is #112 in both Kenpom & RPI
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Three teams ahead & behind in Kenpom:

109 - Oakland
110 - Cal St Bakersfield
111 - Albany
112 - MU
113 - Nebraska Omaha
114 - UAB
115 - Columbia
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Three teams ahead & behind in RPI:

109 - Rhode Island
110 - Richmond
111 - UT Arlington
112 - MU
113 - Northwestern
114 - Fresno State
115 - Tennessee
Title: Re: Butler / MU (Kenpom/RPI)
Post by: brewcity77 on January 31, 2016, 02:00:06 AM
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on January 30, 2016, 09:33:39 PM
Is that bad? Five years is eternity and he still will be 24 at that point.

Not necessarily, but when you're the best player on the team, you need to be able to step up in those moments, not step down. For a guy who's been so clearly anointed (maybe just because there's no one else to anoint this season) I hoped for more out of him. He has the ability to be one of the greats, but I'm just not sure he has the personality.
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