Honestly there must be 500 people here. I get that it's non conference but comon.
First game I have missed when I was within driving distance.
Just didn't think Stetson was worth getting home at midnight. Would've gone if it was a 7:00 start.
Kinda expected that. 3-5 in big east, late mid-week non conference game against a sub-par opponent.
Marquette is getting what they deserve.
Quote from: warriorchick on January 27, 2016, 08:07:09 PM
First game I have missed when I was within driving distance.
Just didn't think Stetson was worth getting home at midnight. Would've gone if it was a 7:00 start.
Sure sign of gettin' old, hey?
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 27, 2016, 08:38:49 PM
What?
They are getting the dinky crowd they deserve for scheduling this game.
Was it really that difficult to comprehend?
If they are going to schedule this game at least make it a 6:00 affair
There's definitely a few thousand here. People underestimate how big the BC is. But it's not good. One of the worst attended games I've seen in years. Student Section is maybe 25% full in the lower bowl and about a dozen students upstairs.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 27, 2016, 08:54:24 PM
They are getting the dinky crowd they deserve for scheduling this game.
Was it really that difficult to comprehend?
Sure sign of gettin' old, hey?
* the announcers even talked about it....scheduling a super cupcake in the middle of conference play for a young team provides a) a breather. b) different combinations to work together and run different sets, and c) some confidence.
Ideal from a purest POV? no. Totally understandable for this team? Absolutely.
I'll get off your lawn now.
Lol at 500. At least 5K and probably a few K more.
I don't even wanna watch at home let alone trek out to the game
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 27, 2016, 08:54:24 PM
They are getting the dinky crowd they deserve for scheduling this game.
Was it really that difficult to comprehend?
Yep. Fans giving this game a thumbs down. It's a pathetic crowd for a pathetic game.
I know a lot of ticket holders who elected to eat tickets. Looks like the Western Michigan NIT game. Program seems about as dead as it did back then.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 27, 2016, 08:57:24 PM
There's definitely a few thousand here. People underestimate how big the BC is. But it's not good. One of the worst attended games I've seen in years. Student Section is maybe 25% full in the lower bowl and about a dozen students upstairs.
NJIT last year on that snowy Monday at 8pm was small.
The team hasn't been exciting, they've played even worse at home, they already had the worst non-conference schedule of any major conference team before tonight's lame-o opponent, and it's a late start in the middle of the week. There's a few things that can be doing to correct this, and one magic thing that's said to solve everything.
After the loss to DePaul, Scoop was hoping no one would show up to the Stetson game. No one shows up to the Stetson game and Scoop complains about the low attendance.
Couldn't give my tix away for this one.
this would have been a good time to schedule UWM or UWGB. not saying either are cupcakes. both would have drawn a little better and maybe even provide for a little more competition even though stetson made the game a little more competitive than they should have-thank you JJ
and i know this has been discussed many times here (UWM/UWGB) just saying though. i also realize this was probably a game scheduled a few years ago, but still...perfect time for a local cupcake
Quote from: rocket surgeon on January 28, 2016, 07:29:23 AM
this would have been a good time to schedule UWM or UWGB. not saying either are cupcakes. both would have drawn a little better and maybe even provide for a little more competition even though stetson made the game a little more competitive than they should have-thank you JJ
and i know this has been discussed many times here (UWM/UWGB) just saying though. i also realize this was probably a game scheduled a few years ago, but still...perfect time for a local cupcake
I had the same thought but you're locked into finding a Non Conf team that also has a bye that same week. UWM plays Monday & Friday. Still, it's a horrible scheduling decision. Wojo might like it, and that's his right but as a dept you just have to accept that you're probably not getting anyone to show up.
Quote from: naginiF on January 27, 2016, 09:30:42 PM
Sure sign of gettin' old, hey?
* the announcers even talked about it....scheduling a super cupcake in the middle of conference play for a young team provides a) a breather. b) different combinations to work together and run different sets, and c) some confidence.
Ideal from a purest POV? no. Totally understandable for this team? Absolutely.
I'll get off your lawn now.
What? I don't buy tickets so I don't care one bit.
Pretty sure that Marquette understood from day 1 that this would be very poorly attended. And I'm confident that the 8p start was entirely TV driven. Unfortunately, being one of the western schools in the BEast it'll be the norm.
Quote from: jsglow on January 28, 2016, 09:17:58 AM
Pretty sure that Marquette understood from day 1 that this would be very poorly attended. And I'm confident that the 8p start was entirely TV driven. Unfortunately, being one of the western schools in the BEast it'll be the norm.
Yep. If FS1 continues showing 6pm/8pm double headers, we will be at 8pm more often than not.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 28, 2016, 08:45:36 AM
What? I don't buy tickets so I don't care one bit.
posting "getting what they deserve" implies a level of caring. conversely, not posting would imply not caring one bit.
Quote from: naginiF on January 28, 2016, 09:31:51 AM
posting "getting what they deserve" implies a level of caring. conversely, not posting would imply not caring one bit.
Dude, WTF is your issue? You took my reply to PRN out of context and implied that I was ranting like an old man.
Learn to read and this wouldn't be a problem.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 28, 2016, 09:27:07 AM
Yep. If FS1 continues showing 6pm/8pm double headers, we will be at 8pm more often than not.
I noticed that the Tuesday doubleheader was 5:30/7:30. Maybe Wednesday should be the same.
In years past(Amigos, Butler, Crowder era), I almost looked forward to the no-names on the nonconference schedule. Watching a Marquette game against a directional school or alphabet soup school was like watching an action movie; the plot was predictable, but at least once, something would happen that would make you go "HOLY CRAP THAT WAS AMAZING I CANT BELIEVE I JUST SAW THAT HAPPEN."
I haven't felt that way about the nonconference schedule for a couple years now. Fear replaces predictability.
I drove up from Cicago from game. Home 12:15am.
Simple formula for attendance: play tough, win, get ranked and people will come. Be irrelevant (with most wins against cupcakes) and people get frustrated.
I questioned whether to go or not. Glad I did though. But frustrating to watch the second half and us getting out scored by 12. Whew
Quote from: Daniel on January 28, 2016, 09:54:11 AM
I drove up from Cicago from game. Home 12:15am.
Simple formula for attendance: play tough, win, get ranked and people will come. Be irrelevant (with most wins against cupcakes) and people get frustrated.
I questioned whether to go or not. Glad I did though. But frustrating to watch the second half and us getting out scored by 12. Whew
How soon did the sweater vests start bailing? What pisses me off is when we are either way ahead or way behind at halftime and the lower bowl starts clearing out.
I was there, but about half-way through my first beer I wondered why.
The pre-game wings and beer were about the only reason I attended. It was boring, and given that this is supposed to be entertaining, I could have found a better way to allocate those funds (more wings and beer).
It has been said many times, but the university certainly seemed to take their fan base for granted with this schedule. I won't be surprised however when next year's is the same and I still dutifully shell out money for bad basketball.
Quote from: warriorchick on January 28, 2016, 10:47:10 AM
How soon did the sweater vests start bailing? What pisses me off is when we are either way ahead or way behind at halftime and the lower bowl starts clearing out.
Well, one could argue that they at least drove to the game?
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 28, 2016, 08:45:36 AM
What? I don't buy tickets so I don't care one bit.
Hmmm....someone needs an emergency blow job, stat
Quote from: warriorchick on January 28, 2016, 10:47:10 AM
How soon did the sweater vests start bailing? What pisses me off is when we are either way ahead or way behind at halftime and the lower bowl starts clearing out.
none in our row even returned from halftime except the Mrs. and myself >:(
Official attendance: 11,756
Did half eat their tix? Thats wild. Looks good on paper though :)
Quote from: warriorchick on January 27, 2016, 08:07:09 PM
First game I have missed when I was within driving distance.
Just didn't think Stetson was worth getting home at midnight. Would've gone if it was a 7:00 start.
+1
I don't really get what all the fuss is about...Marquette has been lousy the last few years, including this year, and they played Stetson on a Wednesday night. A large portion of the fans make the trip up from Chicago, including myself, but didn't last night due to multiple factors. Bad team, bad opponent, Wednesday night= no thanks. I will always support the program but the longer they continue to be a mediocre team more and more Chicago and other fans who make a lengthy drive simply will not make the trip. Winning = better attendance. That simply.
Therefore, JUST WIN BABY.
Go Warriors.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on January 28, 2016, 07:29:23 AM
this would have been a good time to schedule UWM or UWGB. not saying either are cupcakes. both would have drawn a little better and maybe even provide for a little more competition even though stetson made the game a little more competitive than they should have-thank you JJ
and i know this has been discussed many times here (UWM/UWGB) just saying though. i also realize this was probably a game scheduled a few years ago, but still...perfect time for a local cupcake
I have contended for a long time that we need UWM,UWGB and Loyola of Chicago as permanent fixtures on our non conference roster. Schedule them when kids are out of school or rare situations like this.
I'm a STH and didn't go. My reasons?
None of my "season ticket buddies" were going, it was too late a tip to take the kids and I'd rather watch at home than drive downtown to sit by myself in the BC. I can't remember the last time I've voluntarily skipped a home game.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 28, 2016, 09:34:08 AM
Dude, WTF is your issue? You took my reply to PRN out of context and implied that I was ranting like an old man.
Learn to read and this wouldn't be a problem.
WHOA! The concepts of the schedule's RPI is destroying our brand, Wojo is destroying our brand, the administration is incompetent and is destroying our brand or some combination of the three are destroying our brand have been beaten to death. I'm pointing out there may be some logic behind what's going on. It's causing short term pain but (hopefully) long term improvements.
Quote from: keefe on January 28, 2016, 10:59:43 AM
Hmmm....someone needs an emergency blow job, stat
Seems like sage advice. If you are writing prescriptions send one my way too.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 28, 2016, 09:27:07 AM
Yep. If FS1 continues showing 6pm/8pm double headers, we will be at 8pm more often than not.
There has been about seven dates this year, in which FS1 has done 5:30/7:30 DH.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on January 28, 2016, 07:29:23 AM
this would have been a good time to schedule UWM or UWGB. not saying either are cupcakes. both would have drawn a little better and maybe even provide for a little more competition even though stetson made the game a little more competitive than they should have-thank you JJ
and i know this has been discussed many times here (UWM/UWGB) just saying though. i also realize this was probably a game scheduled a few years ago, but still...perfect time for a local cupcake
Your not saying they are cupcakes, but then you did. Anyways, UWM & UWGB would/could beat Marquette.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on January 28, 2016, 07:29:23 AM
this would have been a good time to schedule UWM or UWGB. not saying either are cupcakes. both would have drawn a little better and maybe even provide for a little more competition even though stetson made the game a little more competitive than they should have-thank you JJ
and i know this has been discussed many times here (UWM/UWGB) just saying though. i also realize this was probably a game scheduled a few years ago, but still...perfect time for a local cupcake
Actually, it was a late fill in game. As for the rest of the NC games, I would like to see teams from the Horizon, MAC and Summit (other than UWGB / UWM).
Quote from: bradley center bat on January 28, 2016, 01:12:34 PM
Anyways, UWM & UWGB would/could beat Marquette.
I've heard this mentioned a few times here. Just curious, why are we afraid to lose to them?
Marquette dropped 8 spots in RPI (117 to 125) after beating Stetson last night. Something has to change
UWM & UWGB are not cupcakes, everyone shut up.
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on January 28, 2016, 01:22:16 PM
I've heard this mentioned a few times here. Just curious, why are we afraid to lose to them?
- MU is not a state school. It doesn't have the connection with the UW-someplace schools like the Badgers do.
- It's a no-win situation for Marquette. If MU wins, so what? They beat up on a no-name school and didn't do much to boost their RPI. If MU loses, it's an embarrassing loss to a small school.
- Big-time programs don't want to play games against teams in the 100-199 RPI range because it does nothing for them, but increase their chances of getting beat. They either want to match-up against a top 100 team or a 200+ team. That way, you either get a "quality win"/"non-bad loss" or you eat a cupcake.
MU has gotten into the sub-300 range this season and I'm not a fan of that, but MU is not alone in avoiding the RPI 100s.
Why are we back to debating the RPI of Marquette's schedule? Are we under the impression that this team still might get an NCAA bid?
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 28, 2016, 01:37:44 PM
Why are we back to debating the RPI of Marquette's schedule? Are we under the impression that this team still might get an NCAA bid?
I'm under the impression that it might be time for some scoopers to cool off until Saturday.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on January 28, 2016, 01:35:54 PM
- MU is not a state school. It doesn't have the connection with the UW-someplace schools like the Badgers do.
- It's a no-win situation for Marquette. If MU wins, so what? They beat up on a no-name school and didn't do much to boost their RPI. If MU loses, it's an embarrassing loss to a small school.
- Big-time programs don't want to play games against teams in the 100-199 RPI range because it does nothing for them, but increase their chances of getting beat. They either want to match-up against a top 100 team or a 200+ team. That way, you either get a "quality win"/"non-bad loss" or you eat a cupcake.
MU has gotten into the sub-300 range this season and I'm not a fan of that, but MU is not alone in avoiding the RPI 100s.
Very well said. Appreciate it MM
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on January 28, 2016, 01:35:54 PM
- Big-time programs don't want to play games against teams in the 100-199 RPI range because it does nothing for them, but increase their chances of getting beat. They either want to match-up against a top 100 team or a 200+ team. That way, you either get a "quality win"/"non-bad loss" or you eat a cupcake.
MU has gotten into the sub-300 range this season and I'm not a fan of that, but MU is not alone in avoiding the RPI 100s.
???
This year probably isn't the best example, but I think MU would love to schedule teams in the 100-199 range. The problem is teams like that want a return game. MU makes around $400,000-$500,000 per home game, so giving up a home game to play on the road is extremely costly for MU. If a team in the 100-199 range wants to play a buy-game at the BC, then MU probably love to have them.
Quote from: Litehouse on January 28, 2016, 02:16:05 PM
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This year probably isn't the best example, but I think MU would love to schedule teams in the 100-199 range. The problem is teams like that want a return game. MU makes around $400,000-$500,000 per home game, so giving up a home game to play on the road is extremely costly for MU. If a team in the 100-199 range wants to play a buy-game at the BC, then MU probably love to have them.
MU has scheduled teams who finished with an RPI between 100-199 only 8 times in the last 7 seasons. Granted, that's where the opponents finished, not how they were projected but still. It's mainly been top 100 or cupcakes (mainly cupcakes).
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on January 28, 2016, 12:06:59 PM
Official attendance: 11,756
Did half eat their tix? Thats wild. Looks good on paper though :)
Exactly. I would estimate that about 1 in 3 of STH showed up for this one. From the games I've attended, it seems like no-shows are trending up, too. Leaving the arena is like leaving a funeral. Of course, these are the games I've seen:
L, Belmont
W, IUPUI (OT)
L, Iowa
L, Xavier
L, De Paul
Ugh. Would love to have something to feel good about it going into next year...or maybe I'm just bad luck ;). No-shows become STH non-renewals.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on January 28, 2016, 02:26:36 PM
MU has scheduled teams who finished with an RPI between 100-199 only 8 times in the last 7 seasons. Granted, that's where the opponents finished, not how they were projected but still. It's mainly been top 100 or cupcakes (mainly cupcakes).
Yes, but that isn't because MU doesn't want to play them. It's because those teams don't want to play us without a return game (even if it's 3-1). So then we end up with high-major home-and-homes or cupcake buy games.
Quote from: Litehouse on January 28, 2016, 02:46:33 PM
Yes, but that isn't because MU doesn't want to play them. It's because those teams don't want to play us without a return game (even if it's 3-1). So then we end up with high-major home-and-homes or cupcake buy games.
Then I say bite the bullet and play some 3-1 games to increase the quality of competition, even if it's not with UWM. I have no issue going to Green Bay every 4 years.
Quote from: Litehouse on January 28, 2016, 02:46:33 PM
Yes, but that isn't because MU doesn't want to play them. It's because those teams don't want to play us without a return game (even if it's 3-1). So then we end up with high-major home-and-homes or cupcake buy games.
What's even less appealing than playing one of those teams at home is playing one of those teams on the road.
There's all this talk about MU's easy schedule this season hurting RPI, but quite frankly, RPI isn't going to matter this season. Besides, if they replaced Grambling, Chi St and Presbyterian (3 worst RPI opponents) with Canisius, New Hampshire and Colgate (RPI 200-202), the projected SOS goes from 88 to 59. That's a significant jump just from swapping 3 really easy win for 3 easy wins.
I was there the whole game. It was so bad, I again wondered why I waste money on season tickets. Stetson tallest startes were 6'7" It was an opportunity for Ellenson to put on a show for the fans that did show up. I think only JJJ, Duane and Haanif wanted to play the game.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 28, 2016, 09:27:07 AM
Yep. If FS1 continues showing 6pm/8pm double headers, we will be at 8pm more often than not.
Especially when we're playing an out of conference game against an Atlantic Sun Conference team in the midst of the Big East conference season.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on January 28, 2016, 03:22:15 PM
What's even less appealing than playing one of those teams at home is playing one of those teams on the road.
There's all this talk about MU's easy schedule this season hurting RPI, but quite frankly, RPI isn't going to matter this season. Besides, if they replaced Grambling, Chi St and Presbyterian (3 worst RPI opponents) with Canisius, New Hampshire and Colgate (RPI 200-202), the projected SOS goes from 88 to 59. That's a significant jump just from swapping 3 really easy win for 3 easy wins.
I have two thoughts.
One, there are lots of possible reasons why Canisius, New Hampshire and Colgate didn't make the schedule such as, no matching date or they don't play buy games. More likely though Woj didn't want people talking about MU like they talk about Georgetown with its embarrassing home losses this year.
Two, if STH like yourself are getting turned off by these games, MU Athletics is going to have a difficult time stanching the STH losses this of season.
The solution? Get a coach that'll stick around so that the team doesn't have to go through a roster rebuild so often.
First, I'd give the team a bit of a break on this one. What time did they get in from NYC, and how much sleep had they gotten with that mess. Pretty quick turn around for a young and soft team ;D Seriously, though, I expected them to be flat. If I had to be up most of the night, then attend classes, then workouts and film session, etc, I'd be a little flat for a few days. No let up for them. So they let up in the game. Glad they played Stetson on Wed and not Butler.
Second, I did not go to the game. I could have made it work, but it simply wasn't worth it. An 8:00 PM starts on a weeknight, with a 1.3 hour drive, had to be more compelling game than Stetson on a cold January night. Maybe I'm not enough of a fan, but my real life for some reason takes priority over attending a MU game. After all, I can't afford to be flat the next day. I have to be able to bring the energy at work for my clients (seriously). And yes, I'm past getting old. I am old. So be it, that's life.
You guys are wusses complaining about a 8 pm start. I live in Jersey and will be at Seton Hall game this coming Wednesday an 8:30 start. I'll cheer on my Warriors win or lose.
Quote from: Al Davis on January 28, 2016, 12:47:34 PM
I don't really get what all the fuss is about...Marquette has been lousy the last few years, including this year, and they played Stetson on a Wednesday night. A large portion of the fans make the trip up from Chicago, including myself, but didn't last night due to multiple factors. Bad team, bad opponent, Wednesday night= no thanks. I will always support the program but the longer they continue to be a mediocre team more and more Chicago and other fans who make a lengthy drive simply will not make the trip. Winning = better attendance. That simply.
Therefore, JUST WIN BABY.
Go Warriors.
That's pretty much my view. I'm actually looking forward to Saturday's game. Several friends coming to town, etc. But when the only reason for going is to get a chance to watch bad basketball on a weeknight and get home at midnight after a 200 mile roundtrip? That just seems like lunacy. Now back in the day when we were good and the BC wasn't a library (morgue?), a totally different story.
Moreover, fans bear NONE of the responsibility for this mess. I see that Wojo just bribed the students with breakfast Saturday morning. I'll tell you what coach, put a quality product on the floor and they'll be there at dawn or before. That's the solution.
I must say that Wojo has actually been good about not insinuating that somehow a lack of support from either the fan base or administration has anything to do with this. Responsibility rests squarely on his shoulders. I'm hopeful that he knows that and won't allow frustration to cause him to lash out inappropriately.
Quote from: bilsu on January 28, 2016, 04:10:09 PM
I was there the whole game. It was so bad, I again wondered why I waste money on season tickets. Stetson tallest startes were 6'7" It was an opportunity for Ellenson to put on a show for the fans that did show up. I think only JJJ, Duane and Haanif wanted to play the game.
bilsu, if I've been paying attention correctly, you've been a STH since the late 60's / early 70's. Your frustration, IMO, means something. I hope MU is paying attention.
I for one am positive on Wojo, and if he keeps players around at a much higher clip than we are used to, which I expect (he has a longer view and I think the type of players he recruits will as well) we will have some very good teams in a year or two. Just in time for the new arena. It may be tough going this year, and maybe somewhat next year, but after that season tickets will be great to have. Solid team or better. New smaller arena built for basketball and with the intent to keep fans hanging out more before and after games... spells a great new atmosphere.
And with being the number two tenant after the Bucks, some better game times and weekend games. The preseason low RPI teams will look a lot better when a few of these games are played on a Saturday night!
Next years team will probably miss some height, but I bet we move the ball around like crazy and will have a couple of shooters on the court at all times (including Duane, who is becoming a much better player and is becoming a more consistent shooter and more selective about when to shoot it).
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 28, 2016, 05:52:08 PM
You guys are wusses complaining about a 8 pm start. I live in Jersey and will be at Seton Hall game this coming Wednesday an 8:30 start. I'll cheer on my Warriors win or lose.
Obviously most (if not all of us) would be excited about a once/twice a season opportunity. It's kinda funny. I look at the schedule to see when the away games are. I'll still commit to watch on TV but the opportunity cost is so much lower.
Seriously, when Henry leaves (as he should), ticket sales are going to plummet next year. They were somewhat artificially supported this year.
Which leads me to another point. I'd recommend that the university actively consider steps that can be taken prior to re-seating to move or at least maintain the needle. This year they had lots of in-season ticket promotions to try to lure the occasional fan. Among these were the young alumni package and the various special promotions for conference games. Seems to me that they have an obligation to their most loyal fan base who will be leaving in droves, not dribs and drabs anymore. If we assume that the '15-'16 STH base is exactly 11,756 (fair, right?), then I'll predict next year's at south of 10,000. If I'm Scholl, I'm working that problem now.
Quote from: jsglow on January 29, 2016, 07:40:48 AM
That's pretty much my view. I'm actually looking forward to Saturday's game. Several friends coming to town, etc. But when the only reason for going is to get a chance to watch bad basketball on a weeknight and get home at midnight after a 200 mile roundtrip? That just seems like lunacy. Now back in the day when we were good and the BC wasn't a library (morgue?), a totally different story.
Moreover, fans bear NONE of the responsibility for this mess. I see that Wojo just bribed the students with breakfast Saturday morning. I'll tell you what coach, put a quality product on the floor and they'll be there at dawn or before. That's the solution.
I must say that Wojo has actually been good about not insinuating that somehow a lack of support from either the fan base or administration has anything to do with this. Responsibility rests squarely on his shoulders. I'm hopeful that he knows that and won't allow frustration to cause him to lash out inappropriately.
Are you advocating ringers? Jabari Parker with a mustache, perhaps?
Quote from: jsglow on January 29, 2016, 09:30:05 AM
I'd recommend that the university actively consider steps that can be taken prior to re-seating to move or at least maintain the needle. This year they had lots of in-season ticket promotions to try to lure the occasional fan. Among these were the young alumni package and the various special promotions for conference games. Seems to me that they have an obligation to their most loyal fan base who will be leaving in droves, not dribs and drabs anymore. If we assume that the '15-'16 STH base is exactly 11,756 (fair, right?), then I'll predict next year's at south of 10,000. If I'm Scholl, I'm working that problem now.
That number includes student sales, I assume? So really the STH base is around 8,200.
I agree that some show of gratitude for sticking it out would be nice.
Quote from: MUfan12 on January 29, 2016, 09:43:00 AM
That number includes student sales, I assume? So really the STH base is around 8,200.
I agree that some show of gratitude for sticking it out would be nice.
Yep. That number does include students. That'll fall off too. MAX student attendance this year was probably Belmont on opening night. About half way up the upper sections so that's already down probably 500-750 from the heyday.
Quote from: Crean to Ann Arbor on January 29, 2016, 09:40:36 AM
Are you advocating ringers? Jabari Parker with a mustache, perhaps?
Haha. Of course there's no short term solution and I still believe Wojo will get the job done. As we discussed months ago, if next year at this time we're battling for 7th or 8th, this will have become a pretty serious problem.
They should expand the $125 sections to include the corners (405-417), and maybe even drop the end-zone sections (409-413) back to $99 to give people a lower cost way to maintain their season tickets until we get to the new arena.
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/marq/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/2014-15/misc_non_event/MBBSeasonTixMap_1516.pdf
Once they lose someone as a season ticket holder and people get out of the habit of just automatically renewing every year, its more difficult to get them back as a customer.
Quote from: jsglow on January 29, 2016, 09:30:05 AM
Obviously most (if not all of us) would be excited about a once/twice a season opportunity. It's kinda funny. I look at the schedule to see when the away games are. I'll still commit to watch on TV but the opportunity cost is so much lower.
Seriously, when Henry leaves (as he should), ticket sales are going to plummet next year. They were somewhat artificially supported this year.
Which leads me to another point. I'd recommend that the university actively consider steps that can be taken prior to re-seating to move or at least maintain the needle. This year they had lots of in-season ticket promotions to try to lure the occasional fan. Among these were the young alumni package and the various special promotions for conference games. Seems to me that they have an obligation to their most loyal fan base who will be leaving in droves, not dribs and drabs anymore. If we assume that the '15-'16 STH base is exactly 11,756 (fair, right?), then I'll predict next year's at south of 10,000. If I'm Scholl, I'm working that problem now.
I agree to some extent, but think you are overplaying the losses. I was head of marketing at MU Athletics during a similar time when the team was not even NIT worthy. It was tough. If I had to guess, they didn't get the bounce they wanted from HE anyway, so the drop won't be that much.
I would already start pinning STH to the new building. If you want good seats in the new building, you best be sticking around currently. Obviously, you say it in a nice, fluffy, artful way laced with benefits for doing so. They also have to sell the fact kids grow up and get better. Part of the problem with any marketing campaign around HE is that he isn't flashy, so the casual fan that was coming to watch MU to see a Ben Simmons type, is already disappointed. He is efficient, good, solid young player. He's not a guy that very often you leave the building and say "OMG, that guy is incredible". So the "sizzle" that marketers look to for a hook, just isn't there.
As far as the schedule goes, I truly don't understand why people are surprised or bitching about it. What are we, top 15 youngest teams in the country or something (I don't have the numbers)? Of course we were going to schedule this way. Next year's schedule is going to be tougher. This year our SOS will finish top 90. Not great, but we've been in that ballpark before. I suspect next year you will see us in the 50 to 70 range.
Quote from: Litehouse on January 29, 2016, 10:03:51 AM
The should expand the $125 sections to include the corners (405-417), and maybe even drop the end-zone sections (409-413) back to $99 to give people a lower cost way to maintain their season tickets until we get to the new arena.
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/marq/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/2014-15/misc_non_event/MBBSeasonTixMap_1516.pdf
Once they lose someone as a season ticket holder and people get out of the habit of just automatically renewing every year, its more difficult to get them back as a customer.
+1
And there's precedent. A few years ago they jacked student tix to $125. Reversed that immediately the following year.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 29, 2016, 10:07:29 AM
I would already start pinning STH to the new building. If you want good seats in the new building, you best be sticking around currently. Obviously, you say it in a nice, fluffy, artful way laced with benefits for doing so.
I was going to post something similar. Next season is going to be big in terms of keeping STH because of the new building coming the following season. There needs to be some incentive for re-newing and sticking it out to watch a bubble team (at best) as opposed to potentially taking a year off and buying again in 2017 with the new digs. Personally, I'd like to see them give extra "points" toward the re-seat in the new arena or give some sort of priority to consecutive years as a STH thru 2016-17.
They have the points for consecutive years as a STH, so if you drop your tickets for one year you lose all those points.
Also, we have 2 more years in the BC, the new arena won't open until 2018-19.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 29, 2016, 10:07:29 AM
I agree to some extent, but think you are overplaying the losses. I was head of marketing at MU Athletics during a similar time when the team was not even NIT worthy. It was tough. If I had to guess, they didn't get the bounce they wanted from HE anyway, so the drop won't be that much.
I would already start pinning STH to the new building. If you want good seats in the new building, you best be sticking around currently. Obviously, you say it in a nice, fluffy, artful way laced with benefits for doing so. They also have to sell the fact kids grow up and get better. Part of the problem with any marketing campaign around HE is that he isn't flashy, so the casual fan that was coming to watch MU to see a Ben Simmons type, is already disappointed. He is efficient, good, solid young player. He's not a guy that very often you leave the building and say "OMG, that guy is incredible". So the "sizzle" that marketers look to for a hook, just isn't there.
As far as the schedule goes, I truly don't understand why people are surprised or bitching about it. What are we, top 15 youngest teams in the country or something (I don't have the numbers)? Of course we were going to schedule this way. Next year's schedule is going to be tougher. This year our SOS will finish top 90. Not great, but we've been in that ballpark before. I suspect next year you will see us in the 50 to 70 range.
I just don't see it Chicos. The stadium isn't until '18-'19. Now for season ticket holders in line from positions 1-5000 I'll agree. Our friend Jack who has had seats since 1971 isn't going anywhere. Even Chick and I will re-up at some level and we've had ours just short of 10 years. But the guy who bought during the Sweet 16 era and travels as far as we do? And while I'm too lazy to look up the exact numbers, we're already down by about 30% from the days of 15,000+. Of course there's a floor, but that floor is certainly south of 10,000. Look, today a Blackhawks ticket is by far the hardest ticket in town. 10 years ago old man Bill couldn't give 'em away.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 28, 2016, 05:52:08 PM
You guys are wusses complaining about a 8 pm start. I live in Jersey and will be at Seton Hall game this coming Wednesday an 8:30 start. I'll cheer on my Warriors win or lose.
Speaking of the Hall......if they get 8,000 to a game it's described as "packed house" and "filled to the rafters" and "best crowd I've seen since I started playing here", etc. Marquette was the worst team in the Big East last season and is near the bottom this season and still fans are bitching about a game against Stetson on a Wednesday with an 20.00 tip that got 6,000(?) in real people attendance.
To the other point about time of day, midwest people are shut ins. They simply do not enjoy being out much past 21.00 regardless of the day of the week. It's ingrained from childhood when primetime starts at 19.00 and the news is on at 22.00 which breeds a much different perspective with those on either coast as to what is/isn't "late" for events.
Quote from: Litehouse on January 29, 2016, 10:17:54 AM
They have the points for consecutive years as a STH, so if you drop your tickets for one year you lose all those points.
Also, we have 2 more years in the BC, the new arena won't open until 2018-19.
I guess I didn't realize that you lost all of your points when you didn't renew. I thought they just sat there.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on January 29, 2016, 10:31:06 AM
Speaking of the Hall......if they get 8,000 to a game it's described as "packed house" and "filled to the rafters" and "best crowd I've seen since I started playing here", etc. Marquette was the worst team in the Big East last season and is near the bottom this season and still fans are bitching about a game against Stetson on a Wednesday with an 20.00 tip that got 6,000(?) in real people attendance.
To the other point about time of day, midwest people are shut ins. They simply do not enjoy being out much past 21.00 regardless of the day of the week. It's ingrained from childhood when primetime starts at 19.00 and the news is on at 22.00 which breeds a much different perspective with those on either coast as to what is/isn't "late" for events.
Psh, I find getting 8 hours or more of sleep incredibly sexy and fun.
Looking at Litehouse's map. I'd go $150 for the corners (matching the young alum price, just no free beer.....okay, free beer....and I'd move the $275ers to include 402, 420, 424, and 442. I'd also go back to $99 in the endzone.
I wouldn't touch lower bowl pricing. Those guys will buy forever.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on January 29, 2016, 10:31:06 AM
To the other point about time of day, midwest people are shut ins. They simply do not enjoy being out much past 21.00 regardless of the day of the week. It's ingrained from childhood when primetime starts at 19.00 and the news is on at 22.00 which breeds a much different perspective with those on either coast as to what is/isn't "late" for events.
This is true. I love going to see my parents in South Carolina but I cant stand the TV shows and games being on so gosh darn late.
People in the midwest also start the workday about 1.5 to 2 hours earlier. It is very common for a lot of people to work 7-4 as opposed to 9-5 . Blue collar jobs in the midwest start even earlier. Most factory shifts start between 3 and 6 am!!
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on January 29, 2016, 10:49:26 AM
This is true. I love going to see my parents in South Carolina but I cant stand the TV shows and games being on so gosh darn late.
People in the midwest also start the workday about 1.5 to 2 hours earlier. It is very common for a lot of people to work 7-4 as opposed to 9-5 . Blue collar jobs in the midwest start even earlier. Most factory shifts start between 3 and 6 am!!
Yep. East coast and midwest essentially on the same clock. It's just offset by an hour.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on January 29, 2016, 10:31:44 AM
I guess I didn't realize that you lost all of your points when you didn't renew. I thought they just sat there.
You don't lose all of your points (like for donations or being an MU grad), but there are points awarded based on consecutive years of season ticket ownership.
Quote from: jsglow on January 29, 2016, 09:48:12 AM
Yep. That number does include students. That'll fall off too. MAX student attendance this year was probably Belmont on opening night. About half way up the upper sections so that's already down probably 500-750 from the heyday.
Many of the students buy season tickets at $99 for the reason to just go to around 4 games per year. National MU Day resell for $50.
Quote from: warriorchick on January 29, 2016, 10:54:37 AM
You don't lose all of your points (like for donations or being an MU grad), but there are points awarded based on consecutive years of season ticket ownership.
Got it. I didn't read Litehouse's post close enough.
Either way, I'd still like to see some way of awarding "bonus" points or priority in reseating to those of us who will be sticking it out the next couple of years...oh, and also to retain more STH.
Quote from: Crean to Ann Arbor on January 29, 2016, 09:40:36 AM
Are you advocating ringers? Jabari Parker with a mustache, perhaps?
Put Diener in a uni with "Smith" on the back while wearing a pair of those nose/stache glasses. That'll open up the floor.
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Quote from: jsglow on January 29, 2016, 10:18:48 AM
I just don't see it Chicos. The stadium isn't until '18-'19. Now for season ticket holders in line from positions 1-5000 I'll agree. Our friend Jack who has had seats since 1971 isn't going anywhere. Even Chick and I will re-up at some level and we've had ours just short of 10 years. But the guy who bought during the Sweet 16 era and travels as far as we do? And while I'm too lazy to look up the exact numbers, we're already down by about 30% from the days of 15,000+. Of course there's a floor, but that floor is certainly south of 10,000. Look, today a Blackhawks ticket is by far the hardest ticket in town. 10 years ago old man Bill couldn't give 'em away.
The thing is, based on the configuration of the new stadium, how many lower bowl seats vs BC, people may be incentivized to stick where they are at or risk being totally moved in a new configuration. I say that not knowing the new seating dimensions, so it could be a non starter.
The Blackhawks, well there are a all kinds of business case studies around that. The lack of television, some will say it hurt as people didn't know the product well. Others point to the fact the team just wasn't very good. Now the team is in its hey day. That can ebb and flow.
We'll see what happens, I have no doubt it will go down some, but I don't think it drops 20% or some of the numbers I've seen in the post. The problem that MU has had since day one is the building is too damn big. MECCA was too small and crappy, but there is rarely a ticket scarcity concern in the BC even during the high water mark with some of the Crean teams or Buzz teams. It's unfortunate, but that's the deal.
Quote from: Litehouse on January 29, 2016, 10:17:54 AM
They have the points for consecutive years as a STH, so if you drop your tickets for one year you lose all those points.
Also, we have 2 more years in the BC, the new arena won't open until 2018-19.
Yup, and the department needs to remind STH of that to the hilt. You don't want to cancel now, not with a new building coming in a few years and an improving team, yada yada yada. Even if you don't believe the second part, the first part is tangible. Lose your place in line, and lose your good access to the new building. That is real, and MU needs to play on that now, which I have no doubt from a marketing perspective they will.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 29, 2016, 01:15:36 PM
The problem that MU has had since day one is the building is too damn big. MECCA was too small and crappy, but there is rarely a ticket scarcity concern in the BC even during the high water mark with some of the Crean teams or Buzz teams. It's unfortunate, but that's the deal.
I hate that UW can sell out the kohl hole at 17,300 every game. The BC is only a tad bigger at 18,500. But it's more of a market thing though right?
Anyone know what the rumored capacity is for the 2018-19 new stadium? Even a more/less would be appreciated. I haven't a clue
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on January 29, 2016, 01:26:48 PM
I hate that UW can sell out the kohl hole at 17,300 every game. The BC is only a tad bigger at 18,500. But it's more of a market thing though right?
Only game in town, and they draw more non-alumni.
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on January 29, 2016, 01:26:48 PM
Anyone know what the rumored capacity is for the 2018-19 new stadium? Even a more/less would be appreciated. I haven't a clue
17-17,500 is the range they're shooting for. It will be a much better layout for hoops.
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on January 29, 2016, 01:26:48 PM
I hate that UW can sell out the kohl hole at 17,300 every game. The BC is only a tad bigger at 18,500. But it's more of a market thing though right?
Anyone know what the rumored capacity is for the 2018-19 new stadium? Even a more/less would be appreciated. I haven't a clue
The new arena is going to be smaller. And UW has the advantages of having at least 5 times more alumni than Marquette, no pro sports in Madison as competition, and the non-alum affinity that comes with being the primary state institution
Quote from: MUfan12 on January 29, 2016, 01:35:55 PM
17-17,500 is the range they're shooting for. It will be a much better layout for hoops.
That sounds like a great number. 2018-19 can't get here soon enough
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on January 29, 2016, 01:26:48 PM
I hate that UW can sell out the kohl hole at 17,300 every game.
Why? Cmon. They are a completely different school in a different community. Marquette will always have a smaller fan base than UW. What they do over there shouldn't matter to you one bit.
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on January 29, 2016, 01:26:48 PM
I hate that UW can sell out the kohl hole at 17,300 every game. The BC is only a tad bigger at 18,500. But it's more of a market thing though right?
Anyone know what the rumored capacity is for the 2018-19 new stadium? Even a more/less would be appreciated. I haven't a clue
It's not a market thing as it is a sheer numbers thing. Marquette has 11K students. Wisconsin has 43K students. Far more alumni.
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on January 29, 2016, 03:21:19 PM
It's not a market thing as it is a sheer numbers thing. Marquette has 11K students. Wisconsin has 43K students. Far more alumni.
Understood. I was way off on understanding the overall alumni numbers. Was going off MKE having 300,000+ more population than Madison. But that seems irrelevant. You all made good points, appreciate it
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 29, 2016, 01:17:38 PM
Yup, and the department needs to remind STH of that to the hilt. You don't want to cancel now, not with a new building coming in a few years and an improving team, yada yada yada. Even if you don't believe the second part, the first part is tangible. Lose your place in line, and lose your good access to the new building. That is real, and MU needs to play on that now, which I have no doubt from a marketing perspective they will.
I think .. anyone with a large enough longevity point bonus (10+ years) who decides to give up their tickets .. are never coming back, new stadium or not.
I think people are putting too much value on the new stadium thing. No season ticket holders complain about the BC. It's perfectly fine. At best the new stadium will be a novelty for a while. Running counter to that are .. inevitable higher ticket, food, beverage, and parking costs. Meanwhile .. you can just scalp a few games and get that new-stadium-smell experience without a 20 game committment.
If you're giving up your tickets / longevity points, your complaints are about other things. Team performance .. non-conference opponents .. Big East opponents .. lack of replays / better to watch at home, etc. -- Those issues won't be solved with a new stadium.
(And also .. the new stadium will have more lower bowl seats .. the scarcity of lowers was what kept people holding on to Season tickets .. now there'll be more / more availability in the secondary market.)
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on January 29, 2016, 03:21:19 PM
It's not as much a market thing as it is a sheer numbers thing. Marquette has 11K students. Wisconsin has 43K students. Far more alumni.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on January 29, 2016, 03:57:05 PM
(And also .. the new stadium will have more lower bowl seats .. the scarcity of lowers was what kept people holding on to Season tickets .. now there'll be more / more availability in the secondary market.)
Thanks, that's the information I wasn't aware of.
Quote from: The Lens on January 29, 2016, 08:37:50 AM
bilsu, if I've been paying attention correctly, you've been a STH since the late 60's / early 70's. Your frustration, IMO, means something. I hope MU is paying attention.
I have been going to games since 1962 and paying for my tickets since 1969. However, my consecutive season ticket points go back to 1956. When they came up with the point plan they allowed you to transfers tickets between family members before the initial reseating. We transferred my tickets starting in 1969 to my father and he transferred his tickets starting in 1956 to me. He continued to sit in the excellent 1956 seats and I continued to sit in my 1969 seats. He of course is no longer with us, but I now have the points going back to 1956. If I were to drop my tickets not only are these points gone, but they also take away your donation points. So if I dropped them for a year I would lose points good enough to currently have me around the 93rd percentile. If I then decided to pick up tickets a season later, I would only have my 10 points for graduating from MU. The only protection would be to buy the cheapest seats in the house instead of dropping my tickets and I would only have to buy one set to do that. I was born in 1952, so my tickets go back to my 4th birthday.
Fossil like, ai na?
Wow. I suspect that all folks who have higher ticket priority do it based on very significant donations. I don't think I've heard season tickets that went back that far.I remember my dad telling me about the Wittenberg (sp?) brothers from the early 1950's. MU was actually quite good when he was in school and the Arena was brand spanking new. I believe that he might have attended games during the inaugural year.
Quote from: bilsu on January 29, 2016, 08:22:29 PM
If I were to drop my tickets not only are these points gone, but they also take away your donation points.
Well, if you keep donating (without buying tickets), I don't believe that's true.
- 1 point for each consecutive years of donating to the Blue & Gold Athletic Scholarship Fund, effective July 1, 2002 through June 30, 2005.
- 2 points for each consecutive years of donating to the Blue & Gold Athletic Scholarship Fund, July 1, 2005 and after.
- Minimum donation requirement: $100 per fiscal year.
http://www.gomarquette.com/bluegold-fund/bgf-priority-point-system.html
Unfortunately this is my last year as a STH. I split a pair of lower bowl tickets. Reason for giving them up: 1) can't attend all the games, 2) weak schedule, 3) no resale market for tickets, and 4) can get a good ticket for any game for less than what I pay for season tickets.
Based on the no-shows this season, I think it's fair to say a lot of STH look at ticket renewals as simply a charitable exercise.
This year really makes it tough for a number of reasons. The combination of a weaker Marquette team and such a weak schedule killed any hopes of making back some of your STH investment. I saw lower bowl tickets for Butler listed at face value this week on StubHub.
I expect the product to improve in the coming years. Marquette will be better, which hopefully will lead to improved scheduling. I'm looking at this year as a one-off. Yeah, it's ugly, but it'll get better.
That said, if I could get lower bowl to any game I wanted at face value (like Butler) then it'd be hard to justify keeping season tickets.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 29, 2016, 10:02:02 PM
Well, if you keep donating (without buying tickets), I don't believe that's true.
- 1 point for each consecutive years of donating to the Blue & Gold Athletic Scholarship Fund, effective July 1, 2002 through June 30, 2005.
- 2 points for each consecutive years of donating to the Blue & Gold Athletic Scholarship Fund, July 1, 2005 and after.
- Minimum donation requirement: $100 per fiscal year.
I was told only count while you are a season ticket holder.
http://www.gomarquette.com/bluegold-fund/bgf-priority-point-system.html
•Season ticket holders must maintain full season ticket holder status in order to maintain their points in their entirety. If a season ticket holder drops their seats and then renews at a later date, the priority points will reset using the new start date. For example, Mary was a season ticket holder from 1981 to 1996. She dropped her season tickets in 1996 and then decided to renew in 2005. Mary's priority points are calculated using the 2005 start date. Any donations she made in the past that has the 80/20 rule applied, will apply to her point statement when she renews her Season Ticket Holder Status. All other points (Season ticket holding points, Consecutive year giving points, etc) will start accruing with the new 2005 start date. Effective July 1, 2010.
This is the rule effective July 1, 2010, so I would be able to keep my donations.
However, if I drop my tickets I will not invited to be part of the next year's reseating process. So my points would have no value the first year I comeback in if I cannot get my name on the list.
If you want attendance up, tell MU to start winning games, and not lose at home to DePaul.
The least expensive solution to keeping tickets if you think there's a chance in the future to get the back is .. buy a $125 seat in the upper deck, and throw in $100 for the B&G fund too.
I suppose you could get two $125 seats and try selling some tickets .. I suppose the on the on-years, the UW game could fetch $75 a seat or so. (A total guess on what the value of an end-zone seat is for that game..)
BTW, da halftime presentation today blows donkey nuts, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 30, 2016, 11:58:33 AM
BTW, da halftime presentation today blows donkey nuts, hey?
What was it, for those of us who aren't there?
A bunch of Native Americans and kids walkin' 'round to a drum poundin'. 'member da First Warrior? Hundred times more painful than dat, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 30, 2016, 12:25:57 PM
A bunch of Native Americans and kids walkin' 'round to a drum poundin'. 'member da First Warrior? Hundred times more painful than dat, hey?
My only question was, "They chased away Willie Wampum for.... this?
Quote from: dgies9156 on January 30, 2016, 05:59:54 PM
My only question was, "They chased away Willie Wampum for.... this?
Willie Wampum is a stain on Marquette history. Anything was an improvement