It is obvious looking at the point guard situation in the Big East that MU has probably the 10Th best PG in the league, until that is rectified MU is going nowhere?
Even if Henry goes pro, which would be a big deal, it is imperative to sign a point this spring? Even UWM has a better point than MU, has to be a JC guard out there
that wants to start right away. Watching Carter weave in and out against De Paul and not taking the shot reminded me of the last few years. Have to solidify that position. Marcus Howard can step in at Indy easily, ASU gets Thon Maker than I can see Howard going there. When he visits MU, it better be an average day, not to cold.
The other question I have, does anybody other than Stan Johnson help in recruiting. Without Johnson they do not get Bailey, now Howard. Looks to me this young staff
has a long way to go to recruit. Yes, they did good last year, recruiting 1 player for next year is bad. They have wiffed quite a bit lately. Is there a concern?
Coaches always need to look for PGs...but you need to remember that Carter is a true frosh. And while his game still has inconsistency and weaknesses, he has shown flashes of good defense and passing.
Getting Howard would be great, but if not, I have confidence that Traci will become a solid BE PG over the next three years.
There is so much that is so great about this post.
Freshman points usually aren't ready to be big contributors at this level. Diener wasn't ready, but we had Cordell to pay the point so Diener could be off the ball. James was the exception. Junior not only wasn't ready in his limited time as a freshman, he wasn't ready as a sophomore so Buycks played the point. Derrick wasn't ready as a freshman or sophomore.
It's a hard position to adjust to. The difference is most of those others had veterans that could ease them into it. Traci will be fine. He's adapting to the toughest position in the college game with no real safety valve. Need to be patient with him.
I agree we need to recruit a point guard. we are problably 10th best in league at point and small forward. I do have hope that Carter is one of those players that will take a big jump from freshmen to sophomore year. His play in the first half against Villanova shows he has a lot of potential.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 24, 2016, 12:45:08 PM
Freshman points usually aren't ready to be big contributors at this level. Diener wasn't ready, but we had Cordell to pay the point so Diener could be off the ball. James was the exception. Junior not only wasn't ready in his limited time as a freshman, he wasn't ready as a sophomore so Buycks played the point. Derrick wasn't ready as a freshman or sophomore.
It's a hard position to adjust to. The difference is most of those others had veterans that could ease them into it. Traci will be fine. He's adapting to the toughest position in the college game with no real safety valve. Need to be patient with him.
I disagree that Diener was not ready. Crean just went with the more experienced guard. Diener coming off the bench average 7.9 points and had 86 assists.
Quote from: HoopsterBC on January 24, 2016, 11:27:29 AM
It is obvious looking at the point guard situation in the Big East that MU has probably the 10Th best PG in the league, until that is rectified MU is going nowhere?
Even if Henry goes pro, which would be a big deal, it is imperative to sign a point this spring? Even UWM has a better point than MU, has to be a JC guard out there that wants to start right away. Watching Carter weave in and out against De Paul and not taking the shot reminded me of the last few years. Have to solidify that position. Marcus Howard can step in at Indy easily, ASU gets Thon Maker than I can see Howard going there. When he visits MU, it better be an average day, not to cold.
The other question I have, does anybody other than Stan Johnson help in recruiting. Without Johnson they do not get Bailey, now Howard. Looks to me this young staff
has a long way to go to recruit. Yes, they did good last year, recruiting 1 player for next year is bad. They have wiffed quite a bit lately. Is there a concern?
Most JUCOs, like most HS guys commit in the fall.
Quote from: bilsu on January 24, 2016, 12:51:06 PM
I disagree that Diener was not ready. Crean just went with the more experienced guard. Diener coming off the bench average 7.9 points and had 86 assists.
Agree with you. Diener was just fine as a frosh.
Wojo won't be recruitin' a 1 guard if he thought a serviceable one was currently on da roster, ai na?
To answer one of your other questions, I think Nelson does a fair bit of recruiting. It doesn't seem like Carrawell does much.
Your right Nelson does
Quote from: bilsu on January 24, 2016, 12:51:06 PM
I disagree that Diener was not ready. Crean just went with the more experienced guard. Diener coming off the bench average 7.9 points and had 86 assists.
Diener was fine, but I do feel he was better playing off the ball that year. I think if Traci had a Cordell Henry type ahead of him, he wouldn't get as much criticism. At times, he looks like a stud, at others he looks like a liability. So basically, he's a freshman.
I expect him to improve next year and by his junior and senior years be one of the best lead guards in the conference. The inconsistency we see now will become solid play in the long run. Could we use another PG? Yes, but that's almost always a truism. We're fine at the position.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 24, 2016, 02:02:07 PM
Diener was fine, but I do feel he was better playing off the ball that year. I think if Traci had a Cordell Henry type ahead of him, he wouldn't get as much criticism.
John Dawson?
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 24, 2016, 02:13:51 PM
John Dawson?
Good point. Team would greatly benefit having Dawson on the roster. He's put up some really good numbers since becoming active at Liberty. He hit a game winner for them yesterday. Looks to be averaging 13ppg on 56% shooting with a high assist and rebounding rate. Team was 0-8 against Division 1 teams prior to him becoming eligible, and has gone 4-7 since.
Quote from: Meathead on January 24, 2016, 03:29:42 PM
Good point. Team would greatly benefit having Dawson on the roster. He's put up some really good numbers since becoming active at Liberty. He hit a game winner for them yesterday. Looks to be averaging 13ppg on 56% shooting with a high assist and rebounding rate. Team was 0-8 against Division 1 teams prior to him becoming eligible, and has gone 4-7 since.
All of which tells you everything you need to know about the competition in Liberty's conference.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on January 24, 2016, 03:34:38 PM
All of which tells you everything you need to know about the competition in Liberty's conference.
Isn't Liberty in the same conference the much talked about player for next year, Andrew Rowsey, came from? Also, considering our weak strength of schedule this season, not sure we should discount his numbers as compared to those posted by our guys who go to feast on the 323rd ranked Non Conference schedule strength. For the year we are at 181 SOS and Liberty is at 210.
Good lord. I was kidding. John Dawson is where he should be.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 24, 2016, 03:52:01 PM
Good lord. I was kidding. John Dawson is where he should be.
Really? Not sure why as according to the statistics he's better shooting, passing, and rebounding than any of our current guards.
Quote from: Meathead on January 24, 2016, 03:59:18 PM
Really? Not sure why as according to the statistics he's better shooting, passing, and rebounding than any of our current guards.
He's playing in a crappy conference. Are you for real? Outside of Dawson's family and their adopted son Ners, no one thinks he should be playing here.
And with that, I am done and sorry I brought it up.
And let me jump early on the Meathead=Ners bandwagon.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 24, 2016, 04:05:27 PM
And let me jump early on the Meathead=Ners bandwagon.
Haha wow that's a great call, didn't even think of that.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 24, 2016, 04:03:07 PM
He's playing in a crappy conference. Are you for real? Outside of Dawson's family and their adopted son Ners, no one thinks he should be playing here.
And with that, I am done and sorry I brought it up.
Am I for real? How would we not benefit from a physical guard who shoots 56% from the field, 38% from the 3, assists at a 25% rate and rebounds at a 23% rate?
Apparently your post was sarcastic, yet given the above numbers it seems very odd.
I'm happy for Dawson, seems like a nice kid. He's playing where he needs to play.
Quote from: Meathead on January 24, 2016, 04:12:47 PM
Am I for real? How would we not benefit from a physical guard who shoots 56% from the field, 38% from the 3, assists at a 25% rate and rebounds at a 23% rate?
Apparently your post was sarcastic, yet given the above numbers it seems very odd.
Because he wouldn't be doing any of that here. He's a low major player. Nothing wrong with that, but he never belonged here.
Quote from: Nukem2 on January 24, 2016, 01:30:27 PM
Agree with you. Diener was just fine as a frosh.
He should have been ready, he was like 21.
I wouldn't say next year's recruiting class is bad. There just aren't many open scholarships, especially without knowing Henry's situation.
Quote from: Dahmerville on January 24, 2016, 05:02:06 PM
He should have been ready, he was like 21.
Let's see, Wisconsin has gone from the top of the Big Ten standings last year to ninth place currently. I'd lose interest in following them, too. At least you've come to the right place to follow a team on the rise as opposed to the decline.
One stat that sticks out to me today is that we had 6 assists on 27 made baskets.
I can't wait until TraCar is a sophomore. Obviously, the skill is there but his frequent bad decisions are killing me. We certainly have the right coaches to help him with that, but at times he seems like he made up his mind to make an entry pass, even when it is not there.
Always tough to win in the Beast. Even against a craptastic team like SJU.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 24, 2016, 04:26:32 PM
Because he wouldn't be doing any of that here. He's a low major player. Nothing wrong with that, but he never belonged here.
Seems odd we would take a transfer (Rowsey) out of that same conference, that many posters seem to feel will be a major elixir for our problems next year?
Odd logic being used around here. Kind of reminds me of when I read this board and we get frustrated and ask, why can't we have a guard who can shoot the ball well from distance and the midrange - as these low major teams have when they come and play us?!
Quote from: Crean to Ann Arbor on January 24, 2016, 05:11:39 PM
At least you've come to the right place to follow a team on the rise as opposed to the decline.
Teal?
I think Traci will be very good. Junior led an Elite 8 team and showed a few plays his freshman year. I think Traci has shown a lot of potential this year. I'm very excited about the future of his career.
Quote from: HoopsterBC on January 24, 2016, 11:27:29 AM
It is obvious looking at the point guard situation in the Big East that MU has probably the 10Th best PG in the league, until that is rectified MU is going nowhere?
Even if Henry goes pro, which would be a big deal, it is imperative to sign a point this spring? Even UWM has a better point than MU, has to be a JC guard out there
that wants to start right away. Watching Carter weave in and out against De Paul and not taking the shot reminded me of the last few years. Have to solidify that position. Marcus Howard can step in at Indy easily, ASU gets Thon Maker than I can see Howard going there. When he visits MU, it better be an average day, not to cold.
The other question I have, does anybody other than Stan Johnson help in recruiting. Without Johnson they do not get Bailey, now Howard. Looks to me this young staff
has a long way to go to recruit. Yes, they did good last year, recruiting 1 player for next year is bad. They have wiffed quite a bit lately. Is there a concern?
Rowsey is waiting in the wings. He is a proven successful player and adds a dimension we are missing. So I am fine with our 2016 recruiting being Hauser and Rowsey. Beetle Bailey in two years is a plus.
We need to find a stud JC /grad transfer rebounder with the one open spot.
Quote from: Slim on January 24, 2016, 05:20:52 PM
One stat that sticks out to me today is that we had 6 assists on 27 made baskets.
I can't wait until TraCar is a sophomore. Obviously, the skill is there but his frequent bad decisions are killing me. We certainly have the right coaches to help him with that, but at times he seems like he made up his mind to make an entry pass, even when it is not there.
Always tough to win in the Beast. Even against a craptastic team like SJU.
He's got a ways to go, but he showed today that he has to be on the floor when the other team was pressing. We lost the big lead while he was on the bench and Haanif and Sandy were bumbling around with the ball.
Quote from: Crean to Ann Arbor on January 24, 2016, 05:11:39 PM
Let's see, Wisconsin has gone from the top of the Big Ten standings last year to ninth place currently. I'd lose interest in following them, too. At least you've come to the right place to follow a team on the rise as opposed to the decline.
I follow Big 12 teams that seem to have their choice of MU recruits.
Y'know MU looked like a much better team before conference play began. Started 3 freshmen, 1 sophomore, 1 junior vs. DePaul. Very young team in a very tough conference (4 team ranked top 10 this year.) Gee, tell me, why do they struggle?
Quote from: Ruby on January 24, 2016, 06:10:44 PM
Y'know MU looked like a much better team before conference play began. Started 3 freshmen, 1 sophomore, 1 junior vs. DePaul. Very young team in a very tough conference (4 team ranked top 10 this year.) Gee, tell me, why do they struggle?
Isn't St.Johns even younger? They are Kenpom #250 team in country. Should have beat these guys
My point is young teams and players specifically are usually inconsistent. MU beats top 10 ranked Providence on the road then seems to forget how to play and losses 3 in a row including to DePaul at home.
I hate it. I really do as a fan. But there is no way we should be writing off players or the team or the coach at this point. They just need time.
QuoteIsn't St.Johns even younger?
My point exactly. How many games in a row has St. John's lost? Yes, MU struggled and blew a bit lead, but they won, on the road, in the BE! Something to build on.
Quote from: Ruby on January 24, 2016, 06:25:45 PM
My point exactly. How many games in a row has St. John's lost? Yes, MU struggled and blew a bit lead, but they won, on the road, in the BE! Something to build on.
Beating St.Johns is ridiculously easy. I can't see them winning a game enless it's to DePaul
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on January 24, 2016, 06:37:49 PM
Beating St.Johns is ridiculously easy. I can't see them winning a game enless it's to DePaul
Don't tell Syracuse, who lost to St. John's by 12 points. The same Syracuse that beat Duke. Gotta love college basketball
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 24, 2016, 06:46:31 PM
Don't tell Syracuse, who lost to St. John's by 12 points. The same Syracuse that beat Duke. Gotta love college basketball
I get what your saying. But the Johnnies did lose to Incarnate Word at home by 20, New Jersey Institute of Technology at home by 9, and lost to Fordham by 16.
How many conference wins do the Johnnies win, 2?
NJIT who almost won at Marquette and won at #17 Michigan.
Quote from: bradley center bat on January 24, 2016, 06:56:42 PM
NJIT who almost won at Marquette and won at #17 Michigan.
...last year they beat a 16-16 Michigan team that imploded last year. Marquette was 13-19 last year.
This year NJIT is 11-10.
Quote from: HoopsterBC on January 24, 2016, 11:27:29 AM
It is obvious looking at the point guard situation in the Big East that MU has probably the 10Th best PG in the league, until that is rectified MU is going nowhere?
Even if Henry goes pro, which would be a big deal, it is imperative to sign a point this spring? Even UWM has a better point than MU, has to be a JC guard out there
that wants to start right away. Watching Carter weave in and out against De Paul and not taking the shot reminded me of the last few years. Have to solidify that position. Marcus Howard can step in at Indy easily, ASU gets Thon Maker than I can see Howard going there. When he visits MU, it better be an average day, not to cold.
The other question I have, does anybody other than Stan Johnson help in recruiting.
What was your first question.
(I was going to add a ? At the end of the question but not in this thread).
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 24, 2016, 04:05:27 PM
And let me jump early on the Meathead=Ners bandwagon.
Ner's to Deeznuts to Meathead....the posts are obviously the same but the name progressions confuse me.
Dahmerville can't be a new troll/idiot anyone identify his old personas? I don't recognize the craziness.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 24, 2016, 04:05:27 PM
And let me jump early on the Meathead=Ners bandwagon.
I can only hope to impact someone's life the way John Dawson has impacted his.