1. Made it tougher than it had to be.
2. SJU competed their ass off.
3. Henry played soft most of the game. And yet he STILL had ANOTHER double-double.
4. Glad that JJ is going to be OK.
5. Needed more Wally in the second half.
6. Need to stop digging early holes.
7. Too many careless turnovers.
8. But in the end, enough plays and enough stops down the stretch.
9. Not a work of art, but got the one MU had to have.
I think Wojo rolled the dice sitting both Luke and Henry so long at the end of the first half. Could have made the deficit too big to overcome, but they did.
Love that Wojo and coaches teach players to go hard to basket but we need to keep defenses honest with pump fakes and pull ups every so often.
Too many drives to basket right into a shot block.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 09, 2016, 03:46:14 PM
I think Wojo rolled the dice sitting both Luke and Henry so long at the end of the first half. Could have made the deficit too big to overcome, but they did.
Nice to see Heldt's progress. I missed his minutes in the PC game.
My thought: phew.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on January 09, 2016, 03:48:49 PM
Love that Wojo and coaches teach players to go hard to basket but we need to keep defenses honest with pump fakes and pull ups every so often.
Too many drives to basket right into a shot block.
I've said this many times. It was nice to see Cohen make the fake on his big basket down the stretch.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 09, 2016, 03:46:14 PM
I think Wojo rolled the dice sitting both Luke and Henry so long at the end of the first half. Could have made the deficit too big to overcome, but they did.
I honestly don't mind Heldt getting those last 3-5 minutes. He didn't drag the team down, had a nice putback, was active and awkward. He held(t) up his end.
10. Excellent 2nd half (50-36).
This team is starting to show some fight at crunch time. Two games in a row.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on January 09, 2016, 03:48:49 PM
Too many drives to basket right into a shot block.
Their 6'7" guy had (I think) 6 blocks. Thank God their 6'11" true shot blocker didn't play.
11. Buck it up, Tower. You failed US in crunch time today - your thoughts were 45 minutes late.
Glad we won...it's so obvious this team is a year away
St John's had a block party and we were the guests. Henry looked scared to shoot late in the game. Needed to use shot fakes to take advantage of the Johnnies' tendency to go on the airborne swat attack.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 09, 2016, 04:02:42 PM
St John's had a block party and we were the guests. Henry looked scared to shoot late in the game. Needed to use shot fakes to take advantage of the Johnnies' tendency to go on the airborne swat attack.
Henry was scared to shoot, because every time he touched a defender it was an offensive foul for him.
Turnovers are graying my hair.
Quote from: tower912 on January 09, 2016, 03:54:44 PM
I honestly don't mind Heldt getting those last 3-5 minutes. He didn't drag the team down, had a nice putback, was active and awkward. He held(t) up his end.
Yeah like I said during that game the issue was Matt and Wally were our best guys on the floor at that time. They should be pitching in. Not the only guys competent.
JJJ didn't do anything then got hurt. Duane and Traci both looked horrid.
Definitely wasn't on Matt that stretch.
Quote from: brandx on January 09, 2016, 03:58:01 PM
11. Buck it up, Tower. You failed US in crunch time today - your thoughts were 45 minutes late.
A poorly timed car fire will do that. Citizenry is so inconsiderate.
Quote from: tower912 on January 09, 2016, 04:31:01 PM
A poorly timed car fire will do that. Citizenry is so inconsiderate.
Hope all is well.
Not my car. But it was my paperwork.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 09, 2016, 04:07:09 PM
Henry was scared to shoot, because every time he touched a defender it was an offensive foul for him.
I think Henry deserves everyone of his charge calls. He needs to tighten up his moves. Everything is telegraphed right now.
2 charges
2 shots blocked (at least)
Marquette struggled again with athletic forwards.
I think today's game shows how hard it is to produce a good effort repeatedly. Maybe they were too psyched after the Prov win maybe they thought SJU (missing an important contributor) would be easy - who knows? It seemed like they came out thinking Hey, we just beat the #8 team in the country at their place, this should be easy. The Big East (even the new Big East) is going to be a grind, game after game. We got a lotta kids just a dozen or so games out of high school - consistency is not to be expected. Here's hoping they develop the mind set to put out a great effort game after game.
Some additional thoughts:
A) From Section 214, this looked like one of the worst officiated games in a long time. It wasn't that the refs were bad, it was that they were inconsistent and at times looked like they were waiting for a peer to blow a whistle.
B) If there is such a thing as a bad win, this was it. The guys tried hard, yes. But the defense was suspect and the failure to adjust by Luke especially was galling. The fifth foul on Luke was just, sorry Luke, nothing personal, but the foul was a stupid foul. The three point shooting in the first half drove me batty!
C) I kept saying, "they are still freshmen... they are still freshmen!" The sloppiness on the floor was appalling.
D) As Wojo said in the post game, when the team gets into its offense, good things happen. Our guys are quick and our best possessions came when we whipped the ball around the defense and found the open guy.
E) Beginning to see Wojo's fingerprints on this team. Love the hustle and willingness to get dirty chasing and diving for loose balls. These guys are scrappy and I really liked Traci Carter's defense.
F) The team would drive Al crazy, but he would see the potential in it.
G) Were we looking past St. John's given who is coming Wednesday?
H) Is it possible this team just plays better on the road than at home? Do we have a group of Road Warriors? We'll find out Wednesday!
Quote from: tower912 on January 09, 2016, 04:36:35 PM
Not my car. But it was my paperwork.
LOL. I feel your pain.
Quote from: dgies9156 on January 09, 2016, 04:51:51 PM
Some additional thoughts:
B) If there is such a thing as a bad win, this was it. The guys tried hard, yes. But the defense was suspect and the failure to adjust by Luke especially was galling. The fifth foul on Luke was just, sorry Luke, nothing personal, but the foul was a stupid foul. The three point shooting in the first half drove me batty!
G) Were we looking past St. John's given who is coming Wednesday?
B) I felt like it was Luke's 3rd (or 4th?) foul was especially unwise, when he stepped out from behind a pick way out beyond the 3-pt line. He needed to play smarter.
G) I think Wednesday's game is AT Villanova, right? There's no way this team is good enough to look beyond even St. John's at home to going on the road at Villanova. Have we ever won in Philly?
Quote from: mug644 on January 09, 2016, 05:05:33 PMG) I think Wednesday's game is AT Villanova, right? There's no way this team is good enough to look beyond even St. John's at home to going on the road at Villanova. Have we ever won in Philly?
2012 was the last time. They play in two facilities, the on campus one is a house of horrors, but I believe we may actually have a winning record at the other (Wells Fargo).
Quote from: tower912 on January 09, 2016, 04:31:01 PM
A poorly timed car fire will do that. Citizenry is so inconsiderate.
Got a guy who works for me had a car fire last Sunday. Driving in the middle of nowhere Kansas, and the wiring under he passenger seat starts a fire. Scary
Everything that could go wrong did go wrong in the first half. Early foul trouble for Luke, early foul trouble for Hank, JJJ out with possible concussion, Duane missing everything, SJU hitting everything.
We still won. It was against a crappy team but good to know we can recover when everything seems to be going the other teams way.
Quote from: dgies9156 on January 09, 2016, 04:51:51 PM
Some additional thoughts:
A) From Section 214, this looked like one of the worst officiated games in a long time. It wasn't that the refs were bad, it was that they were inconsistent and at times looked like they were waiting for a peer to blow a whistle.
I agree. Luckily they were equally bad for both teams.
Quote from: mug644 on January 09, 2016, 05:05:33 PM
B) I felt like it was Luke's 3rd (or 4th?) foul was especially unwise, when he stepped out from behind a pick way out beyond the 3-pt line. He needed to play smarter.
G) I think Wednesday's game is AT Villanova, right? There's no way this team is good enough to look beyond even St. John's at home to going on the road at Villanova. Have we ever won in Philly?
Ever won in philly? Yes. Lol.
The game OX got hurt with DJO snd Jae
It was nice to hit our free throws at the end of the game, again.
3P shooting was the only way SJU could stay in the game. Once 3P% started to even out MU pulled ahead.
The old Buzzism -- Make more free throws than your opponent takes-- true once again.
Must fix the TO problem.
10 straight down the stretch? Well done, young men.
Quote from: dgies9156 on January 09, 2016, 04:51:51 PM
Some additional thoughts:
E) Beginning to see Wojo's fingerprints on this team. Love the hustle and willingness to get dirty chasing and diving for loose balls. These guys are scrappy and I really liked Traci Carter's defense.
I don't think he gets enough credit for this, and could be the reason why he gets the minutes he gets.
Quote from: mu-rara on January 09, 2016, 06:32:05 PM
I don't think he gets enough credit for this, and could be the reason why he gets the minutes he gets.
Must...not...make....Derrick....comment... Fighting.....so....hard.....
On another note, anyone else think St. John's uniforms were pretty awesome? Nice change up for them.
Reality checks:
DP and STJ are better than we think...they just wilt at the end...sure their records will be bad...but they can scare anyone.
We are freshmen young and need a year to consistently show our potential...given that, its going to be a roller coaster this year...enjoy the ride!
We "can" compete with anyone on their typical day...so not even wednesdays away game with nova will i chalk up a loss. All are possible and X at home saturday im looking for a win.
BE final standings will be more compressed this year than last...in my opinion.
The Johnnies deserve more respect than they were getting. They will be tough in NY.
Quote from: nyg on January 09, 2016, 07:00:35 PM
On another note, anyone else think St. John's uniforms were pretty awesome? Nice change up for them.
Yes, different look. Liked it.
Quote from: NCMUFan on January 09, 2016, 07:03:34 PM
The Johnnies deserve more respect than they were getting. They will be tough in NY.
Yeah if I were a SJU fan, I would like what Mullin is doing there.
They probably have message board denizens saying he is over his head and should be fired.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 09, 2016, 04:58:13 PM
LOL. I feel your pain.
I remember those days quite well... 8-)
Quote from: real chili 83 on January 09, 2016, 05:15:16 PM
Got a guy who works for me had a car fire last Sunday. Driving in the middle of nowhere Kansas, and the wiring under he passenger seat starts a fire. Scary
Holy Crap that would be scary. I hope he is alright.
How about 10 for 10 FT shooting the last minute of the game? 8 for 8 by freshmen.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 09, 2016, 05:19:26 PM
Everything that could go wrong did go wrong in the first half. Early foul trouble for Luke, early foul trouble for Hank, JJJ out with possible concussion, Duane missing everything, SJU hitting everything.
We still won. It was against a crappy team but good to know we can recover when everything seems to be going the other teams way.
My thoughts precisely.
They all won't be things of beauty. We had some adversity today, most of it self-inflicted, but we survived and won.
Next!
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 09, 2016, 07:07:39 PM
Yeah if I were a SJU fan, I would like what Mullin is doing there.
Loved the time out where they showed him reading the stat sheet and not saying anything to the team.
The ugly games are our "must win" games.
Nice to see Du hit some 3's.
Really enjoying the late game poise this team has shown a few times now.
Best part: free throws down the stretch.
Quote from: RushmoreAcademy on January 10, 2016, 08:59:30 AM
Best part: free throws down the stretch.
What a difference from last year. So important at the end of the game, you either give the other team Hope or you close the door in their face.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 09, 2016, 05:19:26 PM
Everything that could go wrong did go wrong in the first half. Early foul trouble for Luke, early foul trouble for Hank, JJJ out with possible concussion, Duane missing everything, SJU hitting everything.
We still won. It was against a crappy team but good to know we can recover when everything seems to be going the other teams way.
St. Johns didn't look crappy to me. If Sima is back when we play them there I'll be worried. We have to be the worst shooting team in the Big East and everyone knows it. You would think with two 6'10" guys we should at least break even getting offensive rebounds but our guys can't jump. After watching that game the crappy team won.
Quote from: 79Warrior on January 10, 2016, 01:01:40 AM
Loved the time out where they showed him reading the stat sheet and not saying anything to the team.
Can you imagine what the anti Wojo contingency would've said had Wojo done that?
Quote from: naginiF on January 10, 2016, 12:18:28 PM
Can you imagine what the anti Wojo contingency would've said had Wojo done that?
I did think the announcers went out of their way to put a positive spin on a coach doing nothing.
I have said many times and I think this is an example of where the refs can favor a team by how they call the game. They called the game equally, but they put emphasises on certain areas. This game it seemed to me they were watching for charges and not much else. I think I saw St. John's travel around 10 times without being called. Of course that is through biased eyes, so they probably only got away with 5 travels. My point is in basketball you never know before the game what the refs are going to allow and not allow. When we play St. John's in New York I hope they are watching for travels. My least favorite player in the Big East for some time now has been Ryan Arcidiacono. I have found they player to replace him when he finally graduates. Federico Mussino may look like a high school player, but he consistently travels and gets away with it. But it was his two plays near the end of the game that made me dislike him. He threw his arms up and hit Fischer as he came down court and Fischer got called for his fifth foul. He tried the same thing the next time they had the ball and nothing got called. He may look like a choir boy, but he is a dirty player.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 10, 2016, 11:35:17 AM
We have to be the worst shooting team in the Big East and everyone knows it.
Actually we are sixth in conference in both eFG% and 3P%. We are an average shooting team. We just get overly frustrated as fans and assume the worst.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 10, 2016, 12:47:20 PM
Actually we are sixth in conference in both eFG% and 3P%. We are an average shooting team. We just get overly frustrated as fans and assume the worst.
TAMU, your statistics are no good here. They don't pass the eye test.
Sandy is the most unselfish player on the team. We watched from section 209 and cheered for Sandy to shoot throughout the game. He passed up so many shot opportunities in the first half that in the second half he didn't have the touch. Sandy, please shoot more.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 10, 2016, 11:35:17 AM
St. Johns didn't look crappy to me. If Sima is back when we play them there I'll be worried. We have to be the worst shooting team in the Big East and everyone knows it. You would think with two 6'10" guys we should at least break even getting offensive rebounds but our guys can't jump. After watching that game the crappy team won.
Percentage wise we are a pretty good 3P shooting team.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 10, 2016, 12:47:20 PM
Actually we are sixth in conference in both eFG% and 3P%. We are an average shooting team. We just get overly frustrated as fans and assume the worst. and remember the last three years.
FIFY
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 10, 2016, 12:47:20 PM
Actually we are sixth in conference in both eFG% and 3P%. We are an average shooting team. We just get overly frustrated as fans and assume the worst.
a lot of our makes are from driving layups from Haanif and dunks from Luke. Most of Henrys production is from close ranges. Most of JJJ is drives. A lot of Duane is from drives. Sandy makes a lot of dunks. etc.
In general our outside shooting is not much of a threat. So combined with the inside makes we are pretty much average. I guess a basket is a basket and that is why the coaches encourage the driving it to the rack on this team.
Driving to and finishing around the basket..... pretty good.
3 pt shooting percentage...... adequate.
Mid range game.... with the exception of Henry, nearly non-existent.
Quote from: RushmoreAcademy on January 10, 2016, 08:59:30 AM
Best part: free throws down the stretch.
Well, I'd argue that those big 3's by Duane were the best part. because if he doesn't make them to give us the lead, St. John's isn't fouling us and sending us to the line to clinch the game.
But yes, I dug it that we made those FTs!
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on January 10, 2016, 03:54:13 PM
a lot of our makes are from driving layups from Haanif and dunks from Luke. Most of Henrys production is from close ranges. Most of JJJ is drives. A lot of Duane is from drives. Sandy makes a lot of dunks. etc.
In general our outside shooting is not much of a threat. So combined with the inside makes we are pretty much average. I guess a basket is a basket and that is why the coaches encourage the driving it to the rack on this team.
Is there an eFG% stat for in the paint and out of the paint scoring?
Quote from: tower912 on January 10, 2016, 04:01:03 PM
Driving to and finishing around the basket..... pretty good.
3 pt shooting percentage...... adequate.
Mid range game.... with the exception of Henry, nearly non-existent.
My observation is that this is pretty par for the course in college basketball today. And in pro basketball too. Either shots are made in the paint, or at the three point line. Not much mid range any longer.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 11, 2016, 09:44:06 AM
Not much mid range any longer.
Where's Butch Lee when you need him? He lived of of those 10-14 foot shots.
Loved the way that Luke played. He actually finished his little baby hook. Good to see & we need those to fall in order to win games.
Quote from: mubb3434 on January 11, 2016, 04:50:50 PM
Loved the way that Luke played. He actually finished his little baby hook. Good to see & we need those to fall in order to win games.
Careful...you are walking into the "St. John's only had one player over 6-7 and he was just 6-9 so of course Luke's shot was falling over smaller competition" trap.
That being said, I agree with you. Even with the height difference having it fall in conference play has to be a confidence booster for him.
Quote from: tower912 on January 10, 2016, 04:01:03 PM
Driving to and finishing around the basket..... pretty good.
3 pt shooting percentage...... adequate.
Mid range game.... with the exception of Henry, nearly non-existent.
This. Outside Henry the only guys who may even shoot a mid range shot are JJJ and Duane. And they don't do it much at all much less make a bunch
From the corner of the arena where I stand with my broom...#4 for SJ is a punk. The fact he was able to get a foul called late in the game setting an illegal pick was BS. Three times he ran at our players with his arms folded across his chest and then flopping when he hit one of our guys. Total bush league...
And that's all I have to say about that.
Quote from: Big Daddy 84 on January 11, 2016, 05:39:37 PM
From the corner of the arena where I stand with my broom...#4 for SJ is a punk. The fact he was able to get a foul called late in the game setting an illegal pick was BS. Three times he ran at our players with his arms folded across his chest and then flopping when he hit one of our guys. Total bush league...
And that's all I have to say about that.
I spotted that as well Daddy. I know he "drew" a charging foul once and another time the officials let it go (next possession after the foul, I believe). They were definitely cheap shop attempts to draw a charge as he would just step in behind a dribbling teammate where the defender had no chance to avoid contact. It was not a case where he set a pick and then the dribbler went around it.
Marquette has played seven Pomeroy Top 100 teams and has not been able to crack 100 yet in offensive efficiency. MU is last in the conference in offense and first in pace. Until MU can keep its turnovers down in order to get into its offense, they will be in the bottom of the standings. When the freshmen figure it out, then we can go on a roll.
To beat Nova on their campus, the frosh have to play like upperclassmen.
Quote from: naginiF on January 11, 2016, 05:04:27 PM
Careful...you are walking into the "St. John's only had one player over 6-7 and he was just 6-9 so of course Luke's shot was falling over smaller competition" trap.
That being said, I agree with you. Even with the height difference having it fall in conference play has to be a confidence booster for him.
I do not think it was the height difference. The difference was that St. John's did not body him. Also most of his shots were from the side of the basket. Fischer does not seem to shoot well when he is aiming at the front of the basket.
Quote from: bilsu on January 12, 2016, 06:57:50 AM
I do not think it was the height difference. The difference was that St. John's did not body him. Also most of his shots were from the side of the basket. Fischer does not seem to shoot well when he is aiming at the front of the basket.
Good point
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 11, 2016, 09:44:06 AM
My observation is that this is pretty par for the course in college basketball today. And in pro basketball too. Either shots are made in the paint, or at the three point line. Not much mid range any longer.
Because coaches are doing that on purpose, the current popular strategy is avoiding mid range due to efficiency
Quote from: LAMUfan on January 12, 2016, 08:12:47 AM
Because coaches are doing that on purpose, the current popular strategy is avoiding mid range due to efficiency
True. But if you drive all of the way to basket with your man defending you plus a big swatting at it that isn't very efficient. You need to be able to hit a pull-up every so often to keep your man honest plus stay away from the big.
Quote from: bilsu on January 12, 2016, 06:57:50 AM
I do not think it was the height difference. The difference was that St. John's did not body him. Also most of his shots were from the side of the basket. Fischer does not seem to shoot well when he is aiming at the front of the basket.
I thought Luke did a great job of back in toward the middle and then using the reverse spin move back toward the baseline to get the baby hook from the side. He did a much better job of sensing the defenders location and then adjusting. Previously he just seemed to muscle toward the middle no matter what.
Always thought the JjJ's career progression needed to include a pull up 10 footer, perfect compliment to his slashing, but it just hasn't developed unfortunately.
Quote from: Big Daddy 84 on January 11, 2016, 05:39:37 PM
From the corner of the arena where I stand with my broom...#4 for SJ is a punk.
I think I have finally figured out who Big Daddy is:
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Quote from: warriorchick on January 12, 2016, 12:40:01 PM
I think I have finally figured out who Big Daddy is:
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Big Daddy would never associate with that type of scum.
Quote from: real chili 83 on January 12, 2016, 12:48:03 PM
Big Daddy would never associate with that type of scum.
He'd sooner hang out on the politics board then hang out with that troll.
Quote from: real chili 83 on January 12, 2016, 12:48:03 PM
Big Daddy would never associate with that type of scum.
Why do you think he is at MU now?