HUGE WIN! WHAT A COMEBACK AFTER THEY HAD GONE FLAT FOR A FEW MINUTES.
1. If Providence is a top 10 team, then college basketball is down this year.
2. 28 minutes of solid, a few minutes of bad, and then back to really good. Leadership finally shown.
3. Offensive rebounding? Anyone? (crickets)
4. What is Carter's A/TO ratio in conference? Ah, well, gotta keep riding him. It's not like he is the only one making careless turnovers.
5. MU's bigs are only mediums in conference.
6. When Luke sits, Henry doesn't go to the low block, so it is more like a 5-out/0-in.
7. MU hit a decent % of free throws. Just seemed to miss ones we needed.
8. Haanif has a bright future. More confidence in his 3 pt shot and a pull up jumper and watch out.
9. Henry, Sandy, JJ, Duane, Haanif with a great run to turn the game back around.
10. Zone was effective. Quick and interchangeable on the perimeter. Rebounding an issue, but it is in the man defense, too.
11. The zone was phenomenal on the last possession.
12. MU played 35 solid minutes against a good team on the road. It is rare for a young team to give up a lead on the road, play that flat for 5 minutes, regroup and overcome a deficit. Nearly unprecedented in my memories of MU basketball.
Oh, hell yeah!
Going in, I thought this was THE game if we were going to have a chgance at a decent season. Not that we had to win, but we had to play hard and we had to play well.
The win was well deserved. The effort was there.
The book is out on Luke. Bigs are going right against him since he stays stationary and only puts his hands up. That is fine against guys 6'7" and shorter but not the big boys.
I know Wojo is trying to keep him out of foul trouble but he has to leave his feet/swat at a few to keep the offensive player honest. Really need to let Luke play a more aggressive defense otherwise good post players are going to score at will.
Quote from: tower912 on January 05, 2016, 08:01:08 PM
12. MU played 35 solid minutes against a good team on the road. It is rare for a young team to give up a lead on the road, play that flat for 5 minutes, regroup and overcome a deficit. Nearly unprecedented in my memories of MU basketball.
Oh, hell yeah!
Sums it up nicely.
Henry was better defensively. But shot selection wasn't great. Has to stay down low when Henry not on the floor. But his overall effort was much better.
In the post game interview Wojo said the conference game intensity knocked them back. They responded well.
Thought it was interesting how much better the offense looked when we went small ball. Looks like a 4 out or even a 5 out. When Luke/Heldt and Henry are in, the offense looks bogged down and slow
I know SJU is far from a lock even at home but I was so depressed at the prospect of playing such a blah team just to be 1-3.
Now we play to get back to even. Huge.
Providence is overrated as I thought with their 2 man show. But what a combo those two are. 48 pts of 64?
Hopefull team learns they gotta just play balls to the wall every game. Some stretches will look pathetic but it gives us a shot if we play hard
We definately benefited from Fazekes coming back.
#4, I'll do in separate thread soon. Maybe the Carter PG thing not working.
How did they win??? I guess defensively. No clue, but holding Providence like that in last two minutes was impressive.
MU for third straight game just destroyed on offensive boards. 13 to 2 and MU did not have a single offensive rebound in first half. Bentil with 28 and 9, with Fischer having only two field goals.
Wilson redeemed himself after 15 minute mark blunders. What happened to his free throw shooting.
Henry had great game, even though he was 1 for 5 from three, one of these days they will start falling. But all round, might have been his best overall.
Cheatham, well he is a player and maybe should shoot more from outside. Very impressive.
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 05, 2016, 08:06:34 PM
Thought it was interesting how much better the offense looked when we went small ball. Looks like a 4 out or even a 5 out. When Luke/Heldt and Henry are in, the offense looks bogged down and slow
I thought the same. I was hoping he didn't put Fischer back in down the stretch as they were playing better with him sitting.
Rewatching the end, Dunn should have passed that ball. I think Lindsey was wide open when Henry left to help.
Also, sweet celebration hop by Diener on the bench.
I thought for several important minutes after Wojo freaked after a call (and the ref went after Duane in the huddle), the refs tone seemed to change a bit and it helped us. Time for another extension and raise, IMO!
This is a win that can get you in at 10-8. Huge.
http://www.scout.com/college/marquette/forums/2850-mens-hoops/14445777-final-box-mu-65-prov-64
Box score
Better box score.http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400840285
Quote from: brandx on January 05, 2016, 08:10:10 PM
I thought the same. I was hoping he didn't put Fischer back in down the stretch as they were playing better with him sitting.
Didn't want to see him back in either
He has got to start making those bunnies
Big win on national tv!
ESPN show the highlights during the Badger game with 5 seconds left. :)
Against one of the top collegiate players in the country, our defense forced him to commit seven turnovers. Unreal.
If you seen Providence vs Arizona, Michigan State & Butler, you can totally see why they are a Top 10 team.
Quote from: tower912 on January 05, 2016, 08:01:08 PM
12. MU played 35 solid minutes against a good team on the road. It is rare for a young team to give up a lead on the road, play that flat for 5 minutes, regroup and overcome a deficit. Nearly unprecedented in my memories of MU basketball.
Oh, hell yeah!
Don't ever remember a comeback like that vs. top 10 team after blowing the lead. We were burnt toast.
Quote from: tower912 on January 05, 2016, 08:01:08 PM
HUGE WIN! WHAT A COMEBACK AFTER THEY HAD GONE FLAT FOR A FEW MINUTES.
1. If Providence is a top 10 team, then college basketball is down this year.
Every year everyone claims it is a down year in college basketball. ::)
Quote from: Aughnanure on January 05, 2016, 08:28:35 PM
Every year everyone claims it is a down year in college basketball. ::)
True. Providence came out flat and other than a 10 minute stretch didn't play well at all. They are much better than they played tonight. Let's hope it was because of us.
Quote from: drewm88 on January 05, 2016, 08:12:19 PM
Rewatching the end, Dunn should have passed that ball. I think Lindsey was wide open when Henry left to help.
Also, sweet celebration hop by Diener on the bench.
Think he could not really see with the triple team
The biggest thing is the way we fought back when down 58-50. At that point, I thought we were done, more likely to lose by 15-20 than win. I was very impressed with that finish.
Now we need to keep that intensity and beat SJU comfortably.
Myron Medcalf
ESPN Staff Writer
And Marquette wins at Providence after NBA prospect Henry Ellenson blocks NBA prospect Kris Dunn's final shot. Again, this Marquette squad lost to Georgetown and Seton Hall by 30 points combined. And now the Golden Eagles just grabbed a road win over a top-10 team and Big East contender. That's the Big East. So strong.
Anyone notice Dunn had 7 TO's? Seems like a lot for NBA prospect.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on January 05, 2016, 08:37:24 PM
Myron Medcalf
ESPN Staff Writer
And Marquette wins at Providence after NBA prospect Henry Ellenson blocks NBA prospect Kris Dunn's final shot. Again, this Marquette squad lost to Georgetown and Seton Hall by 30 points combined, I'm from Milwaukee so I should know. And now the Golden Eagles, who are from my home city of Milwaukee, just grabbed a road win over a top-10 team and Big East contender. That's the Big East. So strong.
He updated his blurb
Quote from: gepsguys on January 05, 2016, 08:40:13 PM
Anyone notice Dunn had 7 TO's? Seems like a lot for NBA prospect.
That is Dunn's weakness. Always has been.
We are a young, talented team, and along with the low-lows, it feels soooo good to hit the highs!
MU defense much better than MU offense. Worst offensive efficiency game by PC all year. Free throw rate mattered tonight.
Quote from: bilsu on January 05, 2016, 08:07:40 PM
We definately benefited from Fazekes coming back.
The guy who played 5 minutes? That'd be like saying they really benefited from Matt Heldt playing.
Quote from: Jay Bee on January 05, 2016, 08:13:01 PM
I thought for several important minutes after Wojo freaked after a call (and the ref went after Duane in the huddle), the refs tone seemed to change a bit and it helped us. Time for another extension and raise, IMO!
Agreed. Noticed that too. The next play we got a charge call that would no doubt have been called a block if not for that moment (because it was Dunn driving).
Quote from: CTWarrior on January 05, 2016, 08:35:55 PM
The biggest thing is the way we fought back when down 58-50. At that point, I thought we were done, more likely to lose by 15-20 than win. I was very impressed with that finish.
Now we need to keep that intensity and beat SJU comfortably.
Down 8, I posted "what's this fork sticking out of our gut?" in the game chat. Huge finish and tenacity by this team. Totally thought we were done.
Now beat SJU and we are back to .500 in conference. Really feel revitalized after that win, especially the way we won the game.
I know he didn't play a lot, but really liked how Heldt handled his minutes. I like how he is developing.
Now if he can just learn to set screens without fouling.
Quote from: Aughnanure on January 05, 2016, 08:28:35 PM
Every year everyone claims it is a down year in college basketball. ::)
Agreed. I actually think this is a VERY good year for college basketball. Oklahoma, Kansas, and UNC are all really good for any year. Michigan State with a healthy Valentine too. Maryland, Arizona, Virginia, Iowa State, Villinova, Xavier, and Iowa are solid.
Quote from: News: Ellenson dreams & commits to MU on January 05, 2016, 08:33:52 PM
Think he could not really see with the triple team
When they went to the MU timeout, coaches said three times--"Not Dunn; anybody but Dunn" or something to that effect
Quote from: tower912 on January 05, 2016, 08:01:08 PM
HUGE WIN! WHAT A COMEBACK AFTER THEY HAD GONE FLAT FOR A FEW MINUTES.
1. If Providence is a top 10 team, then college basketball is down this year.
2. 28 minutes of solid, a few minutes of bad, and then back to really good. Leadership finally shown.
3. Offensive rebounding? Anyone? (crickets)
4. What is Carter's A/TO ratio in conference? Ah, well, gotta keep riding him. It's not like he is the only one making careless turnovers.
5. MU's bigs are only mediums in conference.
6. When Luke sits, Henry doesn't go to the low block, so it is more like a 5-out/0-in.
7. MU hit a decent % of free throws. Just seemed to miss ones we needed.
8. Haanif has a bright future. More confidence in his 3 pt shot and a pull up jumper and watch out.
9. Henry, Sandy, JJ, Duane, Haanif with a great run to turn the game back around.
10. Zone was effective. Quick and interchangeable on the perimeter. Rebounding an issue, but it is in the man defense, too.
11. The zone was phenomenal on the last possession.
12. MU played 35 solid minutes against a good team on the road. It is rare for a young team to give up a lead on the road, play that flat for 5 minutes, regroup and overcome a deficit. Nearly unprecedented in my memories of MU basketball.
Oh, hell yeah!
Tower, you put together a different list of thoughts for two boards....that's impressive.
Quote from: LloydsLegs on January 05, 2016, 08:51:36 PM
When they went to the MU timeout, coaches said three times--"Not Dunn; anybody but Dunn" or something to that effect
Wojo with some nice adjustments...Wojo called out that Ellenson high-low to Luke play as well as as mixing up the defense on Dunn on the last shot coming out of the time out. Was more of a box and one scheme I thought.
Kudos to Wojo and his staff. Had the team prepared, motivated and executing a great game plan out of the gate. Sounds stupid, but great use of timeouts. Substitution patterns were great and let players get through their mistakes. Great adjustment to the zone (and gave credit to Boeheim and USA basketball learnings post game). Finally, to have them reverse a late 8 point deficit after leading all game speaks volumes about character...which reflects leadership.
Quote from: Eldon on January 05, 2016, 08:40:49 PM
He updated his blurb
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Most underrated thing from the end of the game. The team knew exactly what they were doing defensively, even before the timeout. A lot of times you'll see even experienced teams get caught up in scoring to take a late lead and the other team is able to push it and catch the defense out of position. All 5 guys got back and got into the zone quickly before Providence could push it.
Young Warriors growing up.
First game I didn't watch this year. Guess I'm gonna take one for the team and not watch anymore.
We're 3 games in and already lost a game we shouldn't have and won a game we shouldn't have as well. The sEason checklist is foolproof.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 05, 2016, 08:45:17 PM
The guy who played 5 minutes? That'd be like saying they really benefited from Matt Heldt playing.
Except that in those five minutes Fazekas jacked up four 3s that missed badly.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 05, 2016, 09:38:09 PM
Except that in those five minutes Fazekas jacked up four 3s that missed badly.
One was at the buzzer of the first half and Matt missed 1 shot in his 5 minutes. So he missed an extra 2 shots.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 05, 2016, 09:39:16 PM
One was at the buzzer of the first half and Matt missed 1 shot in his 5 minutes. So he missed an extra 2 shots.
Either one of which could have changed the outcome.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 05, 2016, 09:42:26 PM
Either one of which could have changed the outcome.
So could have 1 of Bullock's 8 misses, Lindsey's 0-3 from deep, etc.
I just don't think a guy who played 5 minutes had a huge difference in the outcome of the game.
Quote from: forgetful on January 05, 2016, 08:48:59 PM
I know he didn't play a lot, but really liked how Heldt handled his minutes. I like how he is developing.
I agree, I think it will really help as the season progress.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 05, 2016, 09:47:05 PM
So could have 1 of Bullock's 8 misses, Lindsey's 0-3 from deep, etc.
I just don't think a guy who played 5 minutes had a huge difference in the outcome of the game.
Nobody said it made a huge difference. Bilsu simply said we benefited from him coming back, and I agreed.
You don't think a guy going 0-4 benefited us? Guess we'll have to disagree.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 05, 2016, 09:39:16 PM
One was at the buzzer of the first half and Matt missed 1 shot in his 5 minutes. So he missed an extra 2 shots.
At the buzzer when they had the ball dribbling out the clock and set up the drive and kick for open corner 3.
You make it sound like he heaved up a desperation shot lol
It's not null and void. He takes that anytime....as exhibited by his second half brick on the exact same shot.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 05, 2016, 09:56:30 PM
You don't think a guy going 0-4 benefited us? Guess we'll have to disagree.
And that guy being a 47% 3pt shooter (a little lower after today), when the team averages 30-some-%
Which Marquette team shows up this weekend and for the rest of the season?
The one that got blown out by Iowa and lost to Belmont, Georgetown and Seton Hall?
The one that defeated Wisconsin, Providence, LSU and Arizona State, all on the road?
I lighting a novena light tonight for the latter.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 05, 2016, 09:56:30 PM
Nobody said it made a huge difference. Bilsu simply said we benefited from him coming back, and I agreed.
You don't think a guy going 0-4 benefited us? Guess we'll have to disagree.
I think Rodney Bullock, a guy averaging 14 points per game, going 3-11 in over 30 minutes benefited us far more than a bench player going 0-4 in 5 minutes including a shot he had no option but to shoot the ball. But wait...
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on January 05, 2016, 10:07:38 PM
At the buzzer when they had the ball dribbling out the clock and set up the drive and kick for open corner 3.
You make it sound like he heaved up a desperation shot lol
It's not null and void. He takes that anytime....as exhibited by his second half brick on the exact same shot.
...yeah you're right. He should've realized he didn't have it tonight and passed that shot up...
Quote from: wadesworld on January 05, 2016, 10:39:14 PM
I think Rodney Bullock, a guy averaging 14 points per game, going 3-11 in over 30 minutes benefited us far more than a bench player going 0-4 in 5 minutes including a shot he had no option but to shoot the ball. But wait...
...yeah you're right. He should've realized he didn't have it tonight and passed that shot up...
I agree Fazekas wasn't a huge factor. Not sure anybody said he was. All I know is that when he left the game for good with 5 minutes or so to go, I said, "Damn! He was one of our best weapons tonight!" And several in my group agreed. I mean, the guy hit the top of the backboard a couple times.
As for the game ...
PC obviously didn't play its best and was quite bad the first 10-15 minutes. But I do think we had a little to do with that, as we were hustling our asses off. A lot of energy and spirit from the Warriors all night. Even when we weren't playing all that well, we were scrapping pretty hard -- which, of course, should be the norm.
As others have said, the most impressive thing was the way we didn't fold up our tents after falling behind 58-50.
I thought Wojo had a particularly strong game. I guess that's surprising given the mind games he likes to play, the acquiescing to "selfish Henry," and the way NO former K assistant knows how to coach.
Quote from: dgies9156 on January 05, 2016, 10:16:30 PM
Which Marquette team shows up this weekend and for the rest of the season?
The one that got blown out by Iowa and lost to Belmont, Georgetown and Seton Hall?
The one that defeated Wisconsin, Providence, LSU and Arizona State, all on the road?
I lighting a novena light tonight for the latter.
A pattern has emerged with this group.
In Italy - first time this team plays together at game speed - we were pretty bad but improved enough in 2nd half of first game to win. Run the table from there.
Start of season: lose to Belmont, squeak past IUPUI (my god...) and get drilled by Iowa...all at home. Run the out-of-conference table from there.
Start of BEAST play: get pantsed by Seton Hall at home, lose by a little less on the road at Georgetown, beat #8 Providence on the road.
I like where this might be headed.
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on January 05, 2016, 08:56:23 PM
Tower, you put together a different list of thoughts for two boards....that's impressive.
They were parallel and similar, but not identical.
Am I the only one who noticed that Heldt was credited with more assists than Sandy, Wally, JJ, and Duane combined?
Quote from: tower912 on January 06, 2016, 05:27:58 AM
They were parallel and similar, but not identical.
Am I the only one who noticed that Heldt was credited with more assists than Sandy, Wally, JJ, and Duane combined?
That sorts it. Start Heldt at the point ;)
Quote from: tower912 on January 06, 2016, 05:27:58 AM
Am I the only one who noticed that Heldt was credited with more assists than Sandy, Wally, JJ, and Duane combined?
I thought that was by far the best that Heldt looked this season. A huge improvement from early in the season when he looked totally lost and confused. Not ready to put him in the rotation or anything, but it looks like he won't kill us if he has to play a little here and there.
Quote from: CTWarrior on January 06, 2016, 07:03:49 AM
I thought that was by far the best that Heldt looked this season. A huge improvement from early in the season when he looked totally lost and confused. Not ready to put him in the rotation or anything, but it looks like he won't kill us if he has to play a little here and there.
Is it me, or has he trimmed up considerably as well. His feet are moving much better and can really cause trouble with his length defensively.
Heldt is progressing nicely. He was a 3 star big from northern Wisconsin. He has a lot to learn. It is apparent that he is working hard learning.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 05, 2016, 09:31:04 PM
First game I didn't watch this year. Guess I'm gonna take one for the team and not watch anymore.
We're 3 games in and already lost a game we shouldn't have and won a game we shouldn't have as well. The sEason checklist is foolproof.
Forgive me but one Warrior said he was vacationing in Bali and would miss the game. Please stay in Bali.!
Quote from: CTWarrior on January 06, 2016, 07:03:49 AM
I thought that was by far the best that Heldt looked this season. A huge improvement from early in the season when he looked totally lost and confused. Not ready to put him in the rotation or anything, but it looks like he won't kill us if he has to play a little here and there.
Agreed. The box score also robbed him of a Blk. I distinctly remember him blocking a shot out of bounds underneath the hoop in the first half.
Quote from: tower912 on January 05, 2016, 08:21:40 PM
http://www.scout.com/college/marquette/forums/2850-mens-hoops/14445777-final-box-mu-65-prov-64
Box score
Better box score.http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400840285
Wow! Shut down Dunn and Bentil; the Friars are fried.
Quote from: forgetful on January 06, 2016, 08:10:11 AM
Agreed. The box score also robbed him of a Blk. I distinctly remember him blocking a shot out of bounds underneath the hoop in the first half.
I don't remember that at all. I remember him diving to save a ball from going out of bounds on the defensive end which resulted in a Providence turnover, and he had a rebound under the basket in traffic. Don't recall a block.
Quote from: brandx on January 05, 2016, 08:41:14 PM
That is Dunn's weakness. Always has been.
That and FTs
Great win, thought the wheels were coming off but they managed to put them back on. Thought Duane's circus shot while awesome should have been a pass to Haanif in the corner...shot doesn't fall and I think that's all we're talking about this morning.
Second, I think it's been mentioned here before, but I'm surprised by how Wojo has used Wally the last couple of games. Seems to get a fair bit of run in the 1st halves and MU seemingly is playing well in those minutes but when we need something in the 2nd half he's nailed to the bench. Is is a provision in his track contract? Obviously it worked out but when Fischer went out with 4 fouls I thought we should have gone Haanif, Duane, Sandy, Wally, and Henry.
Am I off my rocker?
Quote from: mu03eng on January 06, 2016, 08:32:53 AM
Great win, thought the wheels were coming off but they managed to put them back on. Thought Duane's circus shot while awesome should have been a pass to Haanif in the corner...shot doesn't fall and I think that's all we're talking about this morning.
Second, I think it's been mentioned here before, but I'm surprised by how Wojo has used Wally the last couple of games. Seems to get a fair bit of run in the 1st halves and MU seemingly is playing well in those minutes but when we need something in the 2nd half he's nailed to the bench. Is is a provision in his track contract? Obviously it worked out but when Fischer went out with 4 fouls I thought we should have gone Haanif, Duane, Sandy, Wally, and Henry.
Am I off my rocker?
Watch the rotation closely 03. Matt comes in and plays with Henry. Wally is typically paired with Luke. Wojo did this exact same thing in the GTown game. What I'm sensing is that coach is working up those combos so the pairs get familiar with each other. Better ball movement, better D. For Matt especially, familiarity and playing as you practice is making him effective in his short runs. I wouldn't expect Matt to get second half minutes right now if Luke goes off but there's no doubt at all that the young kid is improving.
Quote from: forgetful on January 06, 2016, 08:10:11 AM
Agreed. The box score also robbed him of a Blk. I distinctly remember him blocking a shot out of bounds underneath the hoop in the first half.
same here, I even checked the box score this morning but Heldt wasn't given credit - I assume it was (not) scored as a deflection out of bounds but it was a block IMO
Quote from: Waldo Jeffers on January 06, 2016, 09:12:29 AM
same here, I even checked the box score this morning but Heldt wasn't given credit - I assume it was (not) scored as a deflection out of bounds but it was a block IMO
Guessing that was because of the announce crew. I remember that call and they gave credit to Fischer, who wasn't even in the game. If the scoring was done by someone watching on TV or by an official scorer who was sitting next to the announce team it's possible they just gave Luke credit erroneously.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 06, 2016, 09:29:38 AM
Guessing that was because of the announce crew. I remember that call and they gave credit to Fischer, who wasn't even in the game. If the scoring was done by someone watching on TV or by an official scorer who was sitting next to the announce team it's possible they just gave Luke credit erroneously.
I remember that too. I thought it was funny, because it seemed as if the announcers didn't even know Heldt existed.
I wondered if they scored it to Fischer or Ellenson, but seemed like Fischer had at least 1 block and 4 for ellenson seems right.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 06, 2016, 09:29:38 AM
Guessing that was because of the announce crew. I remember that call and they gave credit to Fischer, who wasn't even in the game. If the scoring was done by someone watching on TV or by an official scorer who was sitting next to the announce team it's possible they just gave Luke credit erroneously.
Love Raferty but his broadcast partner last night was brutal....he was like a poor man's Gus Johnson
Quote from: mu03eng on January 06, 2016, 08:32:53 AM
Great win, thought the wheels were coming off but they managed to put them back on. Thought Duane's circus shot while awesome should have been a pass to Haanif in the corner...shot doesn't fall and I think that's all we're talking about this morning.
Second, I think it's been mentioned here before, but I'm surprised by how Wojo has used Wally the last couple of games. Seems to get a fair bit of run in the 1st halves and MU seemingly is playing well in those minutes but when we need something in the 2nd half he's nailed to the bench. Is is a provision in his track contract? Obviously it worked out but when Fischer went out with 4 fouls I thought we should have gone Haanif, Duane, Sandy, Wally, and Henry.
Am I off my rocker?
All Scoopers are a little off their rockers, or they wouldn't be Scoopers! :P
Quote from: tower912 on January 06, 2016, 07:39:32 AM
Heldt is progressing nicely. He was a 3 star big from northern Wisconsin. He has a lot to learn. It is apparent that he is working hard learning.
I have very low expectations for him.
I merely am expecting him to be a very good player as a junior and national player of the year as a senior.
Hey, if it was good enough for Kaminsky ...
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on January 05, 2016, 08:56:23 PM
Tower, you put together a different list of thoughts for two boards....that's impressive.
Hopefully he is posting "the good stuff" on Scoop...
Quote from: tower912 on January 05, 2016, 08:01:08 PM
5. MU's bigs are only mediums in conference.
What I like about Heldt is you can see a material difference in the physical play down low when he is in. Guy isn't afraid to throw his body into it.
Quote from: keefe on January 06, 2016, 12:11:39 PM
What I like about Heldt is you can see a material difference in the physical play down low when he is in. Guy isn't afraid to throw his body into it.
His very uncoordinated body right now, but he has definitely been a positive so far
Quote from: jsglow on January 06, 2016, 08:46:08 AM
Watch the rotation closely 03. Matt comes in and plays with Henry. Wally is typically paired with Luke. Wojo did this exact same thing in the GTown game. What I'm sensing is that coach is working up those combos so the pairs get familiar with each other. Better ball movement, better D. For Matt especially, familiarity and playing as you practice is making him effective in his short runs. I wouldn't expect Matt to get second half minutes right now if Luke goes off but there's no doubt at all that the young kid is improving.
I get the rotations and even the Wally/Luke paring, but I think more than anything Wally brings energy and a coolness that some times gets lost with the other guys.
Quote from: mu03eng on January 06, 2016, 12:17:08 PM
His very uncoordinated body right now, but he has definitely been a positive so far
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He does have two left feet but he's not afraid to throw his weight around
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 05, 2016, 09:31:04 PM
First game I didn't watch this year. Guess I'm gonna take one for the team and not watch anymore.
If we lose to the Johnnies we know who to blame now.
Quote from: keefe on January 06, 2016, 12:11:39 PM
What I like about Heldt is you can see a material difference in the physical play down low when he is in. Guy isn't afraid to throw his body into it.
Yep. And the improvement since before Christmas has been noticeable. I really like Matt's aggressiveness, and see a huge upside. Should be fun to watch him develop.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 05, 2016, 10:39:14 PM
I think Rodney Bullock, a guy averaging 14 points per game, going 3-11 in over 30 minutes benefited us far more than a bench player going 0-4 in 5 minutes including a shot he had no option but to shoot the ball. But wait...
...yeah you're right. He should've realized he didn't have it tonight and passed that shot up...
But he didn't pass it up. He took it. Again.
Proving the point.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 06, 2016, 01:38:59 PM
Yep. And the improvement since before Christmas has been noticeable. I really like Matt's aggressiveness, and see a huge upside. Should be fun to watch him develop.
Feels like we had people ready to write him off as a wasted scholarship as recently as a week or two ago. I have no idea what Matt will become, but he certainly has the potential to be a very good collegiate player. Honestly, I didn't expect him to be able to contribute this much this soon.
Quote from: MU82 on January 06, 2016, 11:32:09 AM
I have very low expectations for him.
I merely am expecting him to be a very good player as a junior and national player of the year as a senior.
Hey, if it was good enough for Kaminsky ...
Fat chance. Rumor has it that Matt knows how to use a semicolon properly.
Friar fan here, hope you don't mind me chiming in. Just wanted to add a few things as I saw some discussion about our team.
Last night was our worst game of the season. The first 15 minutes was bizarro world and quite embarrassing. I've never seen the team look so disjointed out there. Obviously credit to Marquette for changing up the looks and using their length and size to confuse and cause mishaps. Also something was off from the gate for us that we have yet to see this season.
Bullock is a very solid part of the "big three" with Dunn and Bentil being the top 2. Last night Bullock was neutralized, he usually gives us more. This is his first year playing after some setbacks.
Fazekas is actually our top three point weapon but he's been out for a month with mono. He was shooting threes at 47% coming into last night. He's lost weight and only started practicing this week. I don't believe Cooley wanted to play him but after our start he needed a spark so in he went. That explains his woeful shooting. Freshman player.
Dunn had a very off night, his turnovers are way down this year and his three point and jump shooting is improved. For some reason as of late his free throw shooting has been off so we're watching that.
If you've seen us play against Arizona, Mich state and at Butler you'd understand the ranking. We have 3 true road wins and 2 neutral court wins, so the resume got us the ranking. Dunn also has been spectacular in most of the games and willed us to several wins down the stretch.
Most fans I know are having a ball with the early success but deep down think we're a top 20-25 not top 10 squad.
Expectations were lowered coming into this year because we lost our 7 foot rim protector and top recruit to transfer, Pascal Chukwu. So this start has been a pleasant surprise.
Wojo seems like a great coach and while not playing MQ many of us are pulling for you as you're an important program in the league.
You've had our number ever since joining the league and it pisses us off. We refer to your arena as the "house of horrors" due to the 0-9 record and the bat game.
Good luck rest of way and may we avenge our loss in the house of horrors
dmac: great post. I think most of us realize it was an off night for Providence and we still don't know how good our team really is. Feel free to post again!
Quote from: dmac80 on January 07, 2016, 12:10:06 AM
Friar fan here, hope you don't mind me chiming in. Just wanted to add a few things as I saw some discussion about our team.
Last night was our worst game of the season. The first 15 minutes was bizarro world and quite embarrassing. I've never seen the team look so disjointed out there. Obviously credit to Marquette for changing up the looks and using their length and size to confuse and cause mishaps. Also something was off from the gate for us that we have yet to see this season.
Bullock is a very solid part of the "big three" with Dunn and Bentil being the top 2. Last night Bullock was neutralized, he usually gives us more. This is his first year playing after some setbacks.
Fazekas is actually our top three point weapon but he's been out for a month with mono. He was shooting threes at 47% coming into last night. He's lost weight and only started practicing this week. I don't believe Cooley wanted to play him but after our start he needed a spark so in he went. That explains his woeful shooting. Freshman player.
Dunn had a very off night, his turnovers are way down this year and his three point and jump shooting is improved. For some reason as of late his free throw shooting has been off so we're watching that.
If you've seen us play against Arizona, Mich state and at Butler you'd understand the ranking. We have 3 true road wins and 2 neutral court wins, so the resume got us the ranking. Dunn also has been spectacular in most of the games and willed us to several wins down the stretch.
Most fans I know are having a ball with the early success but deep down think we're a top 20-25 not top 10 squad.
Expectations were lowered coming into this year because we lost our 7 foot rim protector and top recruit to transfer, Pascal Chukwu. So this start has been a pleasant surprise.
Wojo seems like a great coach and while not playing MQ many of us are pulling for you as you're an important program in the league.
You've had our number ever since joining the league and it pisses us off. We refer to your arena as the "house of horrors" due to the 0-9 record and the bat game.
Good luck rest of way and may we avenge our loss in the house of horrors
Thanks for Posting. Yeah, it was easy to see PC had an off night, and we were glad to have things break our way. It is a very important win for us. PC really has some great players. Good Luck the rest of the season. Hopefully we join you in the NCAAT.
dmac, way to represent your fanbase in a classy fashion. Stop by any time.
thanks guys, and I hope my post didn't come across as saying basically we had an off night so you only won because of that. Obviously your team was a big part of that off night. I just wanted to let those know who hadn't seen much of us that the ranking while perhaps too high in the grand scheme was based on a body of work that up until our game was pretty impressive. The opening follies were also the first we've seen all year like that. We've had bad stretches of course, but hitting the top and side of the backboard and throwing away every other pass was not something we've yet witnessed. I brought a friend along who I'd been talking up our team to and was embarrassed to say the least. He's a casual college BB fan and was like 'they're ranked 8th'? ::)
Anyway good luck the rest of the way, I think if you can get a winning record in the BE you will likely make the tourney, all depends on that RPI. And as for our Friars, well we're well aware that nothing in this league is a given and we're used to something bad happening, so we've still got a lot of work to do, the wheels could come off at any time. Hoping to make our 3rd straight NCAA and actually get a win this time.
Important for the Big East to start doing work in March.
I think MU played like there other two games, lots of turnovers, can not make a 3 but in clutch time made some free throws and some baskets. When we were down
eight, you should have buried us. Give MU credit, they cameback and won. Until MU learns not to throw the ball away, they could be much better. But to win in the Big East you have to make some threes as well, that got you back in the game. Every game MU plays in the conference will be a battle, no cupcakes out there as in the past, even DePAUL can beat you if do not bring it, for sure MU, as well. It will be interesting when MU plays St. Johns, they just gave X a tough game.
I agree MU didn't play great for large stretches either, as the 19 TO in the box show. And yes up 8 at home with 6 min to go after our start, I thought it was over. Should have been. Too many fouls early in that second half got you into the double bonus and sent you to the line. Also we didn't seem to adjust our defense in response to the successful penetration to the hoop that you had going.
Quote from: dmac80 on January 07, 2016, 12:10:06 AM
Good luck rest of way and may we avenge our loss in the house of horrors
"House of horrors" does not a singular bat make.
Actually, considering the way Cooley was jumping around like a clown under the big top that day, you could perhaps liken it to a sideshow - or even a funhouse - but only a chiroptophobic would call it a house of horrors.
Since that fateful event, however, Cooley has been my favorite (non-MU) coach in the Big East... I absolutely love the team he has put together, and honestly, if anyone has the pleasure of knocking the Friars out of the tourney, I hope it goes to Marquette... on a Monday.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on January 06, 2016, 03:44:50 PM
But he didn't pass it up. He took it. Again.
Proving the point.
Lol. He took it at the buzzer. He had to take the shot or they don't get a shot off. He had no option. Haha. Good stuff HH.
How is this a House of Horrors?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XczEPQBV6os
(https://i.imgur.com/a9u8IkU.jpg)