Very interesting scouting profile of Henry.
http://www.nbadraft.net/2016mock_draft
The actual Positives/Negatives seem pretty accurate. NBADraft.net once compared Deshawn Stevenson to Michael Jordan so take their player comparisons with a grain of salt. I'd compare Henry's game more with a guy like Al Harrington or Marcus Morris.
If he goes into the draft and is picked 26 HE made a mistake. Better to work on the game a the college level if freshman.
Has Henry actually dropped in these mock drafts? I have not followed them very closely, but all the chatter had him going in the first 10.
Big East time = reality check?
Draftexpress is the go to for mock drafts, IMO. They updated this morning, Zags tweeted it out; Henry is at #7.
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2016/
Quote from: Class71 on January 05, 2016, 01:43:42 PM
If he goes into the draft and is picked 26 HE made a mistake. Better to work on the game a the college level if freshman.
Eh. He's a guaranteed millionaire, get's coached by the best in the business, and doesn't have to go to class.
DeCourcy wrote this a few days ago about Justin Anderson who was drafted late in the first round and racking up some DNPs. That doesn't mean that he made a bad decision.
http://www.sportingnews.com/nba-news/4689461-justin-anderson-dallas-mavericks-rookie-season-virginia-cavaliers
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on January 05, 2016, 12:59:12 PM
Very interesting scouting profile of Henry.
http://www.nbadraft.net/2016mock_draft
Your preoccupation with cutting down Henry is bordering on obsession. Embarrassing.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on January 05, 2016, 12:59:12 PM
Very interesting scouting profile of Henry.
http://www.nbadraft.net/2016mock_draft
From a worthless website, but sure.
This stupid site has Jamal Murray going 15th, which is at least 10 slots lower than he has any chance of going.
So basically, this one writer things Henry is NBA skilled, but not NBA conditioned or NBA athletic. So? Sure, he needs to be more cut. And most rookies struggle on defense in the NBA. He won't last until 24 if he goes.
Henry would definitely benefit from spending another year in college playing tons of minutes. However, he has two much promise and potential to get passed up very long in the draft, so he's almost certainly going because he doesn't owe any of us to pass up millions in salary.
That write up is pretty good about Henry. He is not an elite athlete at all. Can he guard Giannis or Jabari right now, doubt it, they would go right by him, or play Tim
Duncan or Diaw, no chance. He is going to get a steady diet of players either more athletic than him or his size in the Big East. Lets see how he improves. Shooting
4 for 15 or 3 for 12, and 1/4 from three land does not cut it in my mind. It is better to have a long career in the NBA, be ready, players that seat on the bench do not
really improve. He needs to work on his flat outside shot.
I understand they draft on potential, but would you draft him at #7? That seems crazy. Guy is 7-29 in big east play and is getting pushed around down low.
It's two games, I get it. But he's the main reason they're not 2-0 in Beast, he needs to play at a much higher level.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on January 05, 2016, 03:34:41 PM
I understand they draft on potential, but would you draft him at #7? That seems crazy. Guy is 7-29 in big east play and is getting pushed around down low.
It's two games, I get it. But he's the main reason they're not 2-0 in Beast, he needs to play at a much higher level.
He was 19-42 in his previous three games vs. high major competition. He'll figure it out.
Below average run/jump athlete ... Second jump is almost non-existant and his athleticism is far below NBA standard ... Lacks explosiveness, raising the question of how effective he can be as a below the rim player at the NBA level ... Better in the half court offensive set then in transition ... His below average athleticism has had an effect on his offensive efficiency, particularly around the rim ... His dunks are generally on broken plays or against below average defenders, and infrequent ... Slow feet keep him from being a good perimeter defender and slow him in the post as well ... May struggle to utilize much of his ball handling ability, particularly in the open floor due to his lack of speed ... Body has good weight, but lacks great muscle. Does not seek out contact or play in a physical manner ... Lack of athleticism allows defenders to recover easily and block shots on his attempts around the rim ... Likes to face up when he gets the ball and is efficient, but should look to add more post moves ... Lacks great ability in pick and roll defense and in the post ...
Tells me he's a two-year or even three-year member of the Warriors!!!!
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on January 05, 2016, 03:40:51 PM
He was 19-42 in his previous three games vs. high major competition. He'll figure it out.
57th, 59th, and 76th in KenPom.
The only sign of a bad decision by HE - other than not getting picked at all - would be if he gets picked by the 76ers.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 05, 2016, 04:01:48 PM
The only sign of a bad decision by HE - other than not getting picked at all - would be if he gets picked by the 76ers.
Why? They just signed Elton Brand! Once Hinkie gets that time machine up and running, they'll be back in contention.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on January 05, 2016, 04:03:50 PM
Why? They just signed Elton Brand! Once Hinkie gets that time machine up and running, they'll be back in contention.
Excellent news for Sixers fans!
It is 2005, right? ;)
Quote from: esotericmindguy on January 05, 2016, 03:34:41 PM
I understand they draft on potential, but would you draft him at #7? That seems crazy. Guy is 7-29 in big east play and is getting pushed around down low.
NBA is all potential. Example from last year, two "1 & done" big men; Myles Turner (10 pts & 6 reb), Trey Lyles (8 pts & 5 reb) went #11 & #12 in lottery.
Henry will be fine if he declares
Another year in college would do Henry well. I don't anticipate it happening, but it may be in his best interest basketball-wise. Sure, he'll probably go late in the lottery (unless he continues to play like he has his last two games), but I don't see a scenario in which a 19 year old Henry Ellenson is playing more than spot minutes in the NBA. He needs to toughen up a bit before he's ready for the show. But, if I were in his position, I'd probably take the money and sit on the bench. But another year or two certainly wouldn't hurt his ability to become a difference maker at the next level right away.
Draft Express has Diamond Stone at 18 and Nigel Hayes at 27.
Do you think both of them come out this year too?
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 05, 2016, 04:42:00 PM
Another year in college would do Henry well. I don't anticipate it happening, but it may be in his best interest basketball-wise. Sure, he'll probably go late in the lottery (unless he continues to play like he has his last two games), but I don't see a scenario in which a 19 year old Henry Ellenson is playing more than spot minutes in the NBA. He needs to toughen up a bit before he's ready for the show. But, if I were in his position, I'd probably take the money and sit on the bench. But another year or two certainly wouldn't hurt his ability to become a difference maker at the next level right away.
Even if he plays only 15 minutes a game, that is 1,230 minutes in the NBA. That is the equivalent game time of playing 35 minutes a game in college.....against worst competition...with worst teammates. He then has to play school for another year and have worst coaches (college coaches care more about recruiting, where NBA has way better specialists), limited practice time, etc. If Ellenson wants to be a NBA player, HE leaves this year.
I don't understand the myth that players get so much better in college.
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on January 05, 2016, 01:45:41 PM
Draftexpress is the go to for mock drafts, IMO. They updated this morning, Zags tweeted it out; Henry is at #7.
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2016/
I would rate ESPN's mock drafts ahead of DraftExpress, but they are pretty good as well. Chad Ford probably talks to NBA GMs more than the other sites. He has Henry at #6
NBAdraft,net is one of the worst.
It may or may not be the best for him basketball wise. His athleticism is not likely to change, so if he is getting ding on that now he will get ding on that a year later. Sure he will improve, but he will be discounted for being a year older.
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/scoring-per-game/sort/avgMinutes/position/rookies
Hezonjia was the only lottery pick not to average 15 so far this year. I think he is also a year younger since he is European (could be wrong) and is playing for a playoff team coached by Scott Skiles, who has shown he will play young guys who are ready but isn't one to focus on developing talents.
Hayes probably comes out.
No idea about Stone but I'd guess so if he plays well going forward.
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on January 05, 2016, 05:26:00 PM
Hayes probably comes out.
No idea about Stone but I'd guess so if he plays well going forward.
Just noticed nbadraft.net doesn't even have Stone listed in either 1st or 2nd round.
That sight should always be ignored.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 05, 2016, 01:48:38 PM
Eh. He's a guaranteed millionaire, get's coached by the best in the business, and doesn't have to go to class.
DeCourcy wrote this a few days ago about Justin Anderson who was drafted late in the first round and racking up some DNPs. That doesn't mean that he made a bad decision.
http://www.sportingnews.com/nba-news/4689461-justin-anderson-dallas-mavericks-rookie-season-virginia-cavaliers
Looks like we disagree.
Once again, HE not close to being NBA ready. If he leaves he's making a mistake. IMO
Quote from: jonny09 on January 05, 2016, 05:58:50 PM
Once again, HE not close to being NBA ready. If he leaves he's making a mistake. IMO
What about another year of college ball will make him grow to be more NBA ready versus going to the NBA? Better practices? Better trainers? Better training facilities? Better coaches? More minutes?
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on January 05, 2016, 06:55:42 PM
What about another year of college ball will make him grow to be more NBA ready versus going to the NBA? Better practices? Better trainers? Better training facilities? Better coaches? More minutes?
An ethics-based education
Hell yeah!!
Playing Time........He's not going to get better sitting on the bench.
Quote from: jonny09 on January 05, 2016, 08:41:50 PM
Playing Time........He's not going to get better sitting on the bench.
Uhhh yes he will? thats why you practice way more then you play.
This is actually easy to understand........This is basic. He's not defensively ready and has a lot to work on offensively. Staying in college is the better option. I can't see how this is difficult for people to grasp.
Quote from: jonny09 on January 05, 2016, 08:50:40 PM
This is actually easy to understand........This is basic. He's not defensively ready and has a lot to work on offensively. Staying in college is the better option. I can't see how this is difficult for people to grasp.
You become a millionaire when you can. Why risk getting hurt or exposed. What's so hard to understand?
Quote from: jonny09 on January 05, 2016, 08:50:40 PM
This is actually easy to understand........This is basic. He's not defensively ready and has a lot to work on offensively. Staying in college is the better option. I can't see how this is difficult for people to grasp.
What's even easier to understand, is that he WILL get drafted, and make millions next year. You don't turn that down to stay in college and work on your offense. We don't get how this is difficult for you to understand.
Quote from: jonny09 on January 05, 2016, 08:50:40 PM
This is actually easy to understand........This is basic. He's not defensively ready and has a lot to work on offensively. Staying in college is the better option. I can't see how this is difficult for people to grasp.
Dominic James disagrees
Quote from: jonny09 on January 05, 2016, 08:41:50 PM
Playing Time........He's not going to get better sitting on the bench.
Unless Henry really sucks, he will get 15-20 a game on a lottery team year at the very minimum. I don't get how playing time is a factor since that will be more minutes than he would be playing in college. Yeah the minutes in college are more "meaningful" but it's also against lesser talent. Might as well play against the big boys every game.
Quote from: jonny09 on January 05, 2016, 08:50:40 PM
This is actually easy to understand........This is basic. He's not defensively ready and has a lot to work on offensively. Staying in college is the better option. I can't see how this is difficult for people to grasp.
So he will get better playing a small ball zone defense every game in college? Do you think the college coaches are better than the pro coaches that he can't learn to play defense from NBA coaches or going against grown men in the NBA? He will play MORE minutes in the NBA next year against better competition.
I think there's a huge disconnect with college fans that just because a player isn't ready for the NBA it means it means he should stay in college. It's perfectly fine to sit on an NBA bench for a year or two. Every year you hear quotes from players saying their is such a huge learning curve as a rookie...you might as well get adjusted as early as possible.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on January 05, 2016, 09:29:58 PM
I think there's a huge disconnect with college fans that just because a player isn't ready for the NBA it means it means he should stay in college. It's perfectly fine to sit on an NBA bench for a year or two. Every year you hear quotes from players saying their is such a huge learning curve as a rookie...you might as well get adjusted as early as possible.
This is very accurate....except for the their.
Quote from: jonny09 on January 05, 2016, 08:50:40 PM
This is actually easy to understand........This is basic. He's not defensively ready and has a lot to work on offensively. Staying in college is the better option. I can't see how this is difficult for people to grasp.
Noah Vonleh was nowhere near ready for the NBA but still left Indiana in 2014 after one season. He was drafted No. 9 overall by Charlotte, who proceeded to handcuff him to the bench. Vonleh got traded in the offseason and is now a starter for Portland, playing 15-20 minutes a game.
He is still not lighting the world on fire, but he doesn't turn 21 until August, he is starting in the NBA after a year's apprenticeship and coaching, he is earning lottery money, and he will get a one-year extension because teams rarely give up on young lottery picks with potential.
And if he looks decent at all after Year 4, he will get a nice, long-term payday because, again, he is a young guy with potential.
Worst-case scenario: He either really sucks or he suffers a long-term injury. If either happens, he will have received $10 million plus to get started on the rest of his life.
I can't see how this is difficult for you to grasp.Having said all that, we do not know what motivates Henry Ellenson. His family isn't desperate for money, he gets to play college basketball with his brother, maybe he enjoys the Marquette experience, maybe he wants to make a Final Four run. Maybe he decides to stay another year because he simply wants to and knows the money will still be there.
We don't know, and anybody who claims to know is lying, speculating or both.
Blake Griffin stayed another year. So did Marcus Smart. So did Joakim Noah. So did Harrison Barnes. Etc, etc, etc. We have a list of guys who stayed somewhere here on Scoop. It happens. Guys make the decision to stay or go for very personal reasons.
Whether or not Henry is "ready" -- as deemed by fans like you and me and everybody else on Scoop -- will not enter into his decision. If his peeps get reliable info that he will be a lottery pick, that will mean a
little more than jonny09 screaming, "But he's not ready!"
This from Wojo when asked by Providence media about Ellenson after the game:
"He's a kid who's unpacked his bags. He loves Marquette, he loves being around our team and he's really dedicated to the game."