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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: JoeSmith1721 on December 29, 2015, 02:08:42 PM
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No link, just saw it on ESPN's website.
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https://twitter.com/preslovell/status/681926638582558721
Signed it in a white tshirt
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Came across bleacher report also
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https://twitter.com/preslovell/status/681926638582558721
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I don't have a a big problem with this, but why right now? Why not wait until the end of the school year?
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I'm almost resigned to the idea that length of contracts are completely meaningless. To me, it just conveys the quality of the relationship with that coach or player at that moment, which certainly means something.
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I don't have a a big problem with this, but why right now? Why not wait until the end of the year?
Maybe he's trying to land a HS class of 2021 stud that wants some more assurance that Wojo will be around when he matriculates
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All parties involved are lucky he's on a nice long winning streak. I have a feeling MU wanted to do this regardless. I think they like the look Wojo gives them. And these things are usually so one sided that it's a no-brainer for Wojo.
If this convinces a Juco PF to come here in the next 3 months, then we're really good.
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Love it. Wojo's building something and wants to be here. We'll be back to a perennial top 25 team next year, with or without Henry.
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Maybe he's trying to land a HS class of 2021 stud that wants some more assurance that Wojo will be around when he matriculates
Hah, I might suggest to Wojo that he should sign one or two 2017-2018 recruits first :)
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/363745131.html
By the article he was already signed through the 2019-2020 season.
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Maybe he's trying to land a HS class of 2021 stud that wants some more assurance that Wojo will be around when he matriculates
Wojo tweeted that pic with Lovell to the mystery recruit immediately after.
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I don't have a a big problem with this, but why right now? Why not wait until the end of the school year?
Why not right now. I'm reserving judgement until I see the terms of the contract. Besides contracts aren't worth all that much anyway these days.
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Eh. The terms are probably a pay raise and a couple years more. But after all the instability in the athletic department the last few years I think the university is happy with the team in place right now.
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Big Daddy have any comments?
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I'm happy with where the team is and yes, contracts don't mean much, but doesn't it make MUBB kind of look like a joke when we dole out the contract rewards for a half-season of success eating cupcakes?
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I'm happy with where the team is and yes, contracts don't mean much, but doesn't it make MUBB kind of look like a joke when we dole out the contract rewards for a half-season of success eating cupcakes?
Glass half empty much?
(http://www.sundijo.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Staying-Positive-in-the-Midst-of-Negativity.png)
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I'm happy with where the team is and yes, contracts don't mean much, but doesn't it make MUBB kind of look like a joke when we dole out the contract rewards for a half-season of success eating cupcakes?
Maybe the Admin have seen other things besides our current record.
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But I thought he was going to be fired?!?! Oh, wait, that is soooooooo November-think.
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I don't have a a big problem with this, but why right now? Why not wait until the end of the school year?
Because our neighbors to the West were going to make a major play for him since he can recruit Wisconsin kids
Seriously, I think the powers that be like the direction of the program on and off the court...and extending his contract hopefully makes a statement for both parties about their level of commitment going forward. With the usual revolving door of coaching opportunities at major programs that occurs every year, perhaps this is early prep to make it harder to leave, financially, if the opportunity for Wojo should ever present itself. And for Wojo...why not strike when the iron is hot? Good on him. Now, go prove it is well deserved with a nice conference season!
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Doesn't essentially mean stink. If he wants ta walk, he'll walk. If his boss wansta say adios, that'll happen regardless. No downside ta either party slappin' the old John Hancock on a piece of parchment, ai na? Fanbase gets all warm and fuzzy over it, doe.
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Doesn't essentially mean stink. If he wants ta walk, he'll walk. If his boss wansta say adios, that'll happen regardless. No downside ta either party slappin' the old John Hancock on a piece of parchment, ai na? Fanbase gets all warm and fuzzy over it, doe.
So why did MU do it? Is it just shadow boxing?
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So why did MU do it? Is it just shadow boxing?
I'd guess a raise and a higher buyout inserted in.
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I'd guess a raise and a higher buyout inserted in.
OK, then MU wants a higher Buy out if suitors start calling, and Wojo is happy with more Money.
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I'd guess a raise and a higher buyout inserted in.
Exactly ... MU extended his contract to 2022 meaning that no matter what happens next, Wojo gets a paycheck to 2022.
In return Wojo should have shown some love back by letting MU insert a bigger buyout to act as a poison pill and a commitment to MU.
What would be interesting is if Wojo agreed to a huge buyout but had waivers in it (like if Duke called). Just speculating here.
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Eh. The terms are probably a pay raise and a couple years more. But after all the instability in the athletic department the last few years I think the university is happy with the team in place right now.
I think you hit on one of the big factors here.
The other is that they think Wojo is going to be a very good coach for MU.
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Maybe he's trying to land a HS class of 2021 stud that wants some more assurance that Wojo will be around when he matriculates
Zaire Wade?
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Joey Hauser would graduate college in 2022.
Just sayin.
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Zaire Wade?
Yeah let's get that rumor started!
Wade did send out an instagram pic of his backyard court emblazoned with MU logos/colors not too long ago with the caption "A father can dream" so....
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Yeah let's get that rumor started!
Wade did send out an instagram pic of his backyard court emblazoned with MU logos/colors not too long ago with the caption "A father can dream" so....
(http://www.blackcelebkids.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Wade-1.jpg)
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(http://www.blackcelebkids.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Wade-1.jpg)
Done deal
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Exactly ... MU extended his contract to 2022 meaning that no matter what happens next, Wojo gets a paycheck to 2022.
In return Wojo should have shown some love back by letting MU insert a bigger buyout to act as a poison pill and a commitment to MU.
What would be interesting is if Wojo agreed to a huge buyout but had waivers in it (like if Duke called). Just speculating here.
No doubt there is a Duke buyout clause. Even if there wasn't, if Duke really wanted him, they would pay any penalty involved.
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Perspective: If contracts were promises, Tom Crean would still be the coach at Marquette.
2006: Marquette extends Tom Crean's contract through 2016-17 season.
2008: Crean gone.
http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/091906aaa.html
In this business, contracts are frequently worth the paper they're printed on.
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Perspective: If contracts were promises, Tom Crean would still be the coach at Marquette.
2006: Marquette extends Tom Crean's contract through 2016-17 season.
2008: Crean gone.
Phew. Dodged that bullet.
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I don't have a a big problem with this, but why right now? Why not wait until the end of the school year?
Yup, I agree. Would have waited another year. Still way too early to judge fully, but so far so good.
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Don't forget no bar room fights, etc.etc.
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Non-event. Unless the contract is extraordinarily rare, this isn't a lot more than a nice little gesture. Contracts are 'broken' all the time.
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(http://www.blackcelebkids.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Wade-1.jpg)
Reminds me of the celebrated Chones triplets. Were supposed to save our program.
Or Michael Jordan's kids.
Sometimes the acorn not only falls far from the tree -- it gets launched into space it's so far away.
Zaire -- if you're good we're there. DWade... you're one of a kind. We love that court!
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Doesn't essentially mean stink. If he wants ta walk, he'll walk. If his boss wansta say adios, that'll happen regardless. No downside ta either party slappin' the old John Hancock on a piece of parchment, ai na? Fanbase gets all warm and fuzzy over it, doe.
The good Doc with the voice of reason once again.
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Could it have anything to do with it being the end of the calendar year? Like that was some sort of deadline or something?
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Could it have anything to do with it being the end of the calendar year? Like that was some sort of deadline or something?
Good Point.
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Basically a non event IMO. Have no problem with extension and hope Wojo is here when contract is due to expire.
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Could it have anything to do with it being the end of the calendar year? Like that was some sort of deadline or something?
Would make no sense.
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Could it have anything to do with it being the end of the calendar year? Like that was some sort of deadline or something?
Doesn't Marquette's fiscal year end in June? I would imagine contracts are aligned with the fiscal year. I know my annual donations are on the Jul - Jun schedule
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Doesn't Marquette's fiscal year end in June? I would imagine contracts are aligned with the fiscal year. I know my annual donations are on the Jul - Jun schedule
I think it just means they like Wojo on and off the court. I'm sure he knows the off court "game" better than most.
I'll just assume that Wojo is incomparable to Buzz when it comes to blue & gold tied events.
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Perspective: If contracts were promises, Tom Crean would still be the coach at Marquette.
2006: Marquette extends Tom Crean's contract through 2016-17 season.
2008: Crean gone.
http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/091906aaa.html
In this business, contracts are frequently worth the paper they're printed on.
The long-term contract is why Crean still has a job at Indiana. Long-term contracts favor the coach more than the University. Personally, I think it was too soon to extend Wojo's contract.
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https://twitter.com/preslovell/status/681926638582558721
Signed it in a white tshirt
Thought you were joking until I clicked the link.
BTW, I love that Willie is the first one to comment
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The long-term contract is why Crean still has a job at Indiana. Long-term contracts favor the coach more than the University. Personally, I think it was too soon to extend Wojo's contract.
That contract was so extremely rare and bizarre. The I4/Crean contract was also lied about and people were misled. LateNightHoops.com was the only one to report on it and that was met for a YEAR of doubts and claims that LateNightHoops.com couldn't possibly be right.
In other words, it's a bad example.
The devil is ALWAYS in the details and since we can't see the details, it's difficult to know for certain.. but I'm quite confident if Wojo is around for another 3+ years, you will absolutely see yet another contract change (including more $$$ immediately).
Total non-event.
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And he's practicing free throws.
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That contract was so extremely rare and bizarre. The I4/Crean contract was also lied about and people were misled. LateNightHoops.com was the only one to report on it and that was met for a YEAR of doubts and claims that LateNightHoops.com couldn't possibly be right.
In other words, it's a bad example.
The devil is ALWAYS in the details and since we can't see the details, it's difficult to know for certain.. but I'm quite confident if Wojo is around for another 3+ years, you will absolutely see yet another contract change (including more $$$ immediately).
Total non-event.
True..... I'm also guessing Wojo wasn't pulling anything near what Buzz was (and still isn't), but this would represent a nice raise for him. I wonder if we even signed him for $1m/year initially.
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My guess is this is just a PR move more than anything. Looks good for potential recruits that Wojo will be around, comes on the heels of a 9-game winning streak so spirits around the program are high, and as many have mentioned, there's no real downside (he can still leave if he wants, he can still be fired if MU wants).
More than anything, though, I think it does reinforce that Wojo has a good relationship with the powers-that-be at Marquette. When Buzz was rolling, he signed a "new" deal annually. I'd be perfectly fine with Wojo doing the exact same thing. When you can walk into a recruit's house every year and say "you know I'll be there, I just signed a new contract" it gives the right impression.
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My guess is this is just a PR move more than anything. Looks good for potential recruits that Wojo will be around, comes on the heels of a 9-game winning streak so spirits around the program are high, and as many have mentioned, there's no real downside (he can still leave if he wants, he can still be fired if MU wants).
More than anything, though, I think it does reinforce that Wojo has a good relationship with the powers-that-be at Marquette. When Buzz was rolling, he signed a "new" deal annually. I'd be perfectly fine with Wojo doing the exact same thing. When you can walk into a recruit's house every year and say "you know I'll be there, I just signed a new contract" it gives the right impression.
Bingo. Especially when recruits have no idea who will be the coach in Madison in even a couple of months.
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Any idea of length of original contract?
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True..... I'm also guessing Wojo wasn't pulling anything near what Buzz was (and still isn't), but this would represent a nice raise for him. I wonder if we even signed him for $1m/year initially.
I can guarantee we paid him well over $1M/year on his original contract.
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Any idea of length of original contract?
I believe this added two years. Pretty sure he was signed through 2019-20, which would have been an initial 6-year deal.
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I believe this added two years. Pretty sure he was signed through 2019-20, which would have been an initial 6-year deal.
Thanks. So sounds like Marquette is happy with hm and way things are going. So not a big change adding back the tw years. And contracts are....contracts. This protects Wojo more than Marquette of course. But that's ok. Great coach for us
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Bingo. Especially when recruits have no idea who will be the coach in Madison in even a couple of months.
Picturing Wojo showing up at the Hauser's to see Sam and the new contract "accidentally" falls out of his briefcase in front of Joey.
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If he wouldn't have played mind games with so many guys, he'd have gotten a 3-year extension.
Funny how the Fire Wojo a$$wipes have fallen silent. It's effen sad when a supposed "fan" can only come into a forum like this only when he/she wants to tear down the team.
The day I can't enjoy a young, improving team on a 9-game winning streak -- not to mention one that represents my alma mater with class -- is the day I stop watching sports.
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I can guarantee we paid him well over $1M/year on his original contract.
That would make him one of the highest paid coaches with a 0 and 0 record in college basketball history.
Wojo did not sit on the Duke bench for 15 years waiting to get paid with his first contract as a head coach. He took the MU job because he thought he could succeed. The money comes later.
I think he made around $500k in his first contract. Much more starting yesterday.
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If he wouldn't have played mind games with so many guys, he'd have gotten a 3-year extension.
Huh?
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My guess is this is just a PR move more than anything. Looks good for potential recruits that Wojo will be around, comes on the heels of a 9-game winning streak so spirits around the program are high, and as many have mentioned, there's no real downside (he can still leave if he wants, he can still be fired if MU wants).
More than anything, though, I think it does reinforce that Wojo has a good relationship with the powers-that-be at Marquette. When Buzz was rolling, he signed a "new" deal annually. I'd be perfectly fine with Wojo doing the exact same thing. When you can walk into a recruit's house every year and say "you know I'll be there, I just signed a new contract" it gives the right impression.
Especially 2 weeks after the only other good program in the state had their coach let go. UW-Madison isn't signing Gard, and they haven't announced a coaching search yet. Wojo extending his contract can serve to drive that point home with recruits.
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That would make him one of the highest paid coaches with a 0 and 0 record in college basketball history.
Wojo did not sit on the Duke bench for 15 years waiting to get paid with his first contract as a head coach. He took the MU job because he thought he could succeed. The money comes later.
I think he made around $500k in his first contract. Much more starting yesterday.
So you think we paid our new head basketball coach only $45K more than we paid an assistant coach the year before?
:o
Wojo was probably making roughly $500K as an assistant at Duke. At one point (not sure what it currently is) we spent more on our basketball program than any other program in the country not named Duke. We were not paying our head basketball coach $500K/year.
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So you think we paid our new head basketball coach only $45K more than we paid an assistant coach the year before?
:o
Wojo was probably making roughly $500K as an assistant at Duke. At one point (not sure what it currently is) we spent more on our basketball program than any other program in the country not named Duke. We were not paying our head basketball coach $500K/year.
That would put him right between the Georgia St. and UAB coaches in the ranking of all NCAA tourney coaches pay from last year.
http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/mens-basketball/coach/ (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/mens-basketball/coach/)
There's no way Wojo's not at $1M. BTW - i'm surprised Mack was at $1.1 last year - assume X took care of that in his extension last April.
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My guess is this is just a PR move more than anything. Looks good for potential recruits that Wojo will be around, comes on the heels of a 9-game winning streak so spirits around the program are high, and as many have mentioned, there's no real downside (he can still leave if he wants, he can still be fired if MU wants).
More than anything, though, I think it does reinforce that Wojo has a good relationship with the powers-that-be at Marquette. When Buzz was rolling, he signed a "new" deal annually. I'd be perfectly fine with Wojo doing the exact same thing. When you can walk into a recruit's house every year and say "you know I'll be there, I just signed a new contract" it gives the right impression.
The difference between Buzz and Wojo is that Buzz always initiated the new deal. MU offered this without Wojo asking.
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Huh?
I guess you missed the whole deal with several posters claiming Wojo played "mind games" with JJJ, Deonte and others.
This was me being hilarious. You can stop laughing hysterically any time you want.
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Picturing Wojo showing up at the Hauser's to see Sam and the new contract "accidentally" falls out of his briefcase in front of Joey.
"Excuse me, sir, you dropped...waiiiiit, what's this?" [Wojo pretends to try to get it back before he starts reading it, but it's too late]
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That would make him one of the highest paid coaches with a 0 and 0 record in college basketball history.
Wojo did not sit on the Duke bench for 15 years waiting to get paid with his first contract as a head coach. He took the MU job because he thought he could succeed. The money comes later.
I think he made around $500k in his first contract. Much more starting yesterday.
I dunno. Doubt ya buy a $1,325,000 home in The Quon's Columbia Reserve on a mere $500k salary, ai na?
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Huh?
Think Teal.
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I dunno. Doubt ya buy a $1,325,000 home in The Quon's Columbia Reserve on a mere $500k salary, ai na?
Sure you can
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It was a good deal for both sides. I wont share details because I don't have permission. But this was something both parties wanted. Yes Wojo gets raise and well deserved and MU knows it will have the coach they (we) want for next several years.
By the way Amin is not disgruntled. Disappointed, but not frustrated. He knows exactly what he needs to do, but increased playing time this season is not likely. Playing a different role each year in HS has limited his ability to excel at one specific postion. Look for 7 players to get 95% of minutes. Wally is 8Th, Heldt and Amin are 9-10 based on need/foul trouble.
If MU can land a graduate transfer Big man for next year look for MH to RS, especially if HE comes back. I give HE 50/50 for next year. Scouts are a little weary because HE is viewed as not being an uber athlete and want to see more games against higher competition. If not a likely lottery pick I think it goes to 75/25.
Looney had to go because of his hip otherwise I think he stays one more year at UCLA. Although getting a championship ring your rookie season and not playing wouldn't be that bad.
Go warriors.
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If MU can land a graduate transfer Big man for next year look for MH to RS, especially if HE comes back.
I would have loved him to redshirt this year, if the roster would have allowed it.
On Henry, the concern is his ability to defend at the next level. But with a thin draft, a guy with his skill set is still likely a top 10 pick.
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It was a good deal for both sides. I wont share details because I don't have permission. But this was something both parties wanted. Yes Wojo gets raise and well deserved and MU knows it will have the coach they (we) want for next several years.
By the way Amin is not disgruntled. Disappointed, but not frustrated. He knows exactly what he needs to do, but increased playing time this season is not likely. Playing a different role each year in HS has limited his ability to excel at one specific postion. Look for 7 players to get 95% of minutes. Wally is 8Th, Heldt and Amin are 9-10 based on need/foul trouble.
If MU can land a graduate transfer Big man for next year look for MH to RS, especially if HE comes back. I give HE 50/50 for next year. Scouts are a little weary because HE is viewed as not being an uber athlete and want to see more games against higher competition. If not a likely lottery pick I think it goes to 75/25.
Looney had to go because of his hip otherwise I think he stays one more year at UCLA. Although getting a championship ring your rookie season and not playing wouldn't be that bad.
Go warriors.
Good info, but not entirely on da mark with Kevon. Hip was a non-issue in his decision. He went to college with the intent to declare after 1 year.
Rehab goin' well. Should be activated sometime in January, hey?
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It was a good deal for both sides. I wont share details because I don't have permission. But this was something both parties wanted. Yes Wojo gets raise and well deserved and MU knows it will have the coach they (we) want for next several years.
By the way Amin is not disgruntled. Disappointed, but not frustrated. He knows exactly what he needs to do, but increased playing time this season is not likely. Playing a different role each year in HS has limited his ability to excel at one specific postion. Look for 7 players to get 95% of minutes. Wally is 8Th, Heldt and Amin are 9-10 based on need/foul trouble.
If MU can land a graduate transfer Big man for next year look for MH to RS, especially if HE comes back. I give HE 50/50 for next year. Scouts are a little weary because HE is viewed as not being an uber athlete and want to see more games against higher competition. If not a likely lottery pick I think it goes to 75/25.
Looney had to go because of his hip otherwise I think he stays one more year at UCLA. Although getting a championship ring your rookie season and not playing wouldn't be that bad.
Go warriors.
Curious if you comment on how the overall relationship between Wojo and the university? Still a great match 1.5 years in to it? Is there a lot of behind the scenes momentum for the new athletic research facility and the like? Future looking bright, in your view?
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Good info, but not entirely on da mark with Kevon. Hip was a non-issue in his decision. He went to college with the intent to declare after 1 year.
Rehab goin' well. Should be activated sometime in January, hey?
I agree his intent was to be 1 year and done, but I have been told that when the hip became an issue and he dropped out of the lottery projections his camp was reconsidering. But they knew that he would have to sit out this year either way, because of the hip. Plus they had assurances that if he fell to GS at 30 they would take him. Still there was more than a little nervousness when the 1st rd was ending and he had not yet been picked. He may be activated in January but I think we agree he wont see the court unless in garbage time. I do wish him the best. My limited interaction with him was very positive.
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By the way Amin is not disgruntled. Disappointed, but not frustrated. He knows exactly what he needs to do, but increased playing time this season is not likely. Playing a different role each year in HS has limited his ability to excel at one specific postion. Look for 7 players to get 95% of minutes. Wally is 8Th, Heldt and Amin are 9-10 based on need/foul trouble.
Dang, I'm thinking of getting the bad word filter to replace Amin with the corrected Anim.
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That would make him one of the highest paid coaches with a 0 and 0 record in college basketball history.
Wojo did not sit on the Duke bench for 15 years waiting to get paid with his first contract as a head coach. He took the MU job because he thought he could succeed. The money comes later.
I think he made around $500k in his first contract. Much more starting yesterday.
I don't mean this the wrong way, but you're out of your mind on this one.
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I agree his intent was to be 1 year and done, but I have been told that when the hip became an issue and he dropped out of the lottery projections his camp was reconsidering. But they knew that he would have to sit out this year either way, because of the hip. Plus they had assurances that if he fell to GS at 30 they would take him. Still there was more than a little nervousness when the 1st rd was ending and he had not yet been picked. He may be activated in January but I think we agree he wont see the court unless in garbage time. I do wish him the best. My limited interaction with him was very positive.
Looney worked out for 14 teams, but not Golden State. Yes, he fell from the lottery based on team's apprehension with the hip, yet his agent got very encouraging feedback from Toronto, Portland, Boston, Phoenix, and Atlanta after the workouts prior to the draft. Of course, getting guaranteed money in the first rd. is huge. He has a very nice 3 year guaranteed deal with a team option on year 4. The hip injury essentially delayed him getting a shoe contract at this time. Floor time will be limited, certainly. Having said that, Kevon loves the environment he's in and the coaching staff loves his skill set. Remember, he won't turn 20 until February. As Draymond Green said, "I can work with this kid."
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Looney worked out for 14 teams, but not Golden State. Yes, he fell from the lottery based on team's apprehension with the hip, yet his agent got very encouraging feedback from Toronto, Portland, Boston, Phoenix, and Atlanta after the workouts prior to the draft. Of course, getting guaranteed money in the first rd. is huge. He has a very nice 3 year guaranteed deal with a team option on year 4. The hip injury essentially delayed him getting a shoe contract at this time. Floor time will be limited, certainly. Having said that, Kevon loves the environment he's in and the coaching staff loves his skill set. Remember, he won't turn 20 until February. As Draymond Green said, "I can work with this kid."
Does his family have any plans of moving out to NoCal? You could do a lot worse than living out there, especially if when you aren't right in downtown SF but have an easy commute into it.
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Dang, I'm thinking of getting the bad word filter to replace Amin with the corrected Anim.
how about replacing Amin with OToule?
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Good question, man. Actually, Mr. and Mrs. moved to Walnut Creek in Sept. While they don't live with Kevon, they're out there to look after things and join in livin' the dream. Their original plan was to spend his rookie season there. We'll see if that changes. Looney's older brother and sister still reside here, hey?
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I'm happy with where the team is and yes, contracts don't mean much, but doesn't it make MUBB kind of look like a joke when we dole out the contract rewards for a half-season of success eating cupcakes?
Yes it reflects poorly on management.
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Yes it reflects poorly on management.
4-15 in conference play & he gets the extension. Not sure what I make of it, makes sense for Wojo to jump on it though.
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4-15 in conference play & he gets the extension. Not sure what I make of it, makes sense for Wojo to jump on it though.
I like to compare basketball contracts of head coaches with college football coaches. Th difference between the two sports is staggering. Clearly, the stakes are higher in football. The interesting thing is that firing a HC in football after year three and four is normal. Wojo gets many more years than that despite not achieving much. Les Miles was picked up by his players and walked off the field. They thought he was getting fired. The guy won a Championship and is bringing in a top recruiting class. Amazing. Basketball coaches get so much more leeway despite not having to manage 85 scholarships and 9 assistants. I just dont understand it.
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I like to compare basketball contracts of head coaches with college football coaches. Th difference between the two sports is staggering. Clearly, the stakes are higher in football. The interesting thing is that firing a HC in football after year three and four is normal. Wojo gets many more years than that despite not achieving much. Les Miles was picked up by his players and walked off the field. They thought he was getting fired. The guy won a Championship and is bringing in a top recruiting class. Amazing. Basketball coaches get so much more leeway despite not having to manage 85 scholarships and 9 assistants. I just dont understand it.
I disagree. There's a long list of college basketball coaches fired after 3-4 years.
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I disagree. There's a long list of college basketball coaches fired after 3-4 years.
Name them. Cover that last 4 years. Start with P5 plus BE.
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Name them. Cover that last 4 years. Start with P5 plus BE.
Cuonzo Martin - TN
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Zaire Wade?
Just saw him in a Gatorade commercial with his dad ---- > amateur status blown, going straight to the show (after a quick stop in China)
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Name them. Cover that last 4 years. Start with P5 plus BE.
I'm sure I'm missing some but these are within the last 7 or 8 years:
Dave Leitao - Virginia
Jeff Bzdelik - Wake Forest
James Johnson - Virginia Tech
Steve Donahue - Boston College
Greg McDermott - Iowa St.
Wayne Morgan - Iowa St.
Pat Knight - Texas Tech
Sean Sutton - Oklahoma St.
Tim Floyd - USC (cheated)
Kevin O'Neill - USC
Jim Boylen - Utah
Todd Lickliter - Iowa
Fred Hill - Rutgers
Mike Rice - Rutgers (player abuse)
Keno Davis - Providence
Bobby Gonzalez - Seton Hall
Billy Gillispie - Kentucky
Darrin Horn - South Carolina
John Pelphrey - Arkansas
Rick Ray - Mississippi St.
Tony Barbee - Auburn
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Still waiting for win #1 under the new contract...
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I guess I don't understand the hang up with the contract. Marquette is playing the long game with Wojo and feel he is doing a good job. As Matt V. said, part of this is pretty routine stuff - extending him for recruiting reasons. If Wojo doesn't improve, he will be bought out and everyone moves on.
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And clearly they have boosters who are OK with this. It's not like the money is coming out of the student activity fee.
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One other thing. This administration has generally been viewed very positively both in the President's office and in the AD's office. I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt that this was the right thing to do. If in retrospect it wasn't, well that may be one bad mark against the university leadership that has a number of good ones.
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The timing of the contract extension was just absolutely ridiculous. Plus, why the rush to extend him at all? It’s not like his contract was expiring after this season and some recruits wanted more stability. The man hasn’t done squat for Marquette basketball yet and we’re already crowning him. Now if you want to crown his a$$ then crown his a$$!!!
Just win baby.
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I guess I don't understand the hang up with the contract. Marquette is playing the long game with Wojo and feel he is doing a good job. As Matt V. said, part of this is pretty routine stuff - extending him for recruiting reasons. If Wojo doesn't improve, he will be bought out and everyone moves on.
A coach's contract doesn't mean a whole lot. It's all about the perception. A coach in the last year of his deal is going to have a harder time recruiting than someone signed thru the entirety of a recruit's 4 years on campus (despite the fact that a coach can leave whenever he wants).
Isn't it also likely that MU increased Wojo's buyout in case another school comes calling before 2022?
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The timing of the contract extension was just absolutely ridiculous. Plus, why the rush to extend him at all? It’s not like his contract was expiring after this season and some recruits wanted more stability. The man hasn’t done squat for Marquette basketball yet and we’re already crowning him. Now if you want to crown his a$$ then crown his a$$!!!
Just win baby.
In my mind this makes the contract a non-issue for recruiting and sets Wojo up to have no barriers to get the next wave of players. Recruiting performance is clear of any excuse (or tactics by others) and the ability to dismiss him is not impacted.
So to turn it around on you - it's not like we can't fire him in two years if things don't improve. The powers that be are happy with the risk reward on the buy-outs. So who cares.
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I agree his intent was to be 1 year and done, but I have been told that when the hip became an issue and he dropped out of the lottery projections his camp was reconsidering. But they knew that he would have to sit out this year either way, because of the hip. Plus they had assurances that if he fell to GS at 30 they would take him. Still there was more than a little nervousness when the 1st rd was ending and he had not yet been picked. He may be activated in January but I think we agree he wont see the court unless in garbage time. I do wish him the best. My limited interaction with him was very positive.
I guess I don't see the comparison. If Kevon fell out of the lottery due to his hip, he would come back to show he was healthy and truly a lottery pick. If HE falls out of the lottery as a frosh, I think it says more about his long-term prospects than how he actually performed. He would have a much harder time moving up the lottery as a sophomore since his potential goes down each year. Looney had a ton more incentive to come back if he thought he could get healthy.
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This is why he was extended. The players respond to him after tough losses.
The folks in a position to evaluate this see him every day.