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Title: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 28, 2015, 08:50:32 AM
Did not see this post before (apologies if it has been already) ...

MU is among the best in the country at this stat

Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
By Matt Velazquez of the Journal Sentinel   
Dec. 26, 2015

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/marquette-keeping-opponents-away-from-free-throw-line-b99640341z1-363569221.html

[snip]

Through 11 games, Marquette's opponents have attempted just 150 free throws compared with 727 field goals, yielding a 20.6 free-throw rate. On offense, the Golden Eagles are getting to the line more often with a rate of 39.6, which is above the national average of 36.4.

Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: brewcity77 on December 28, 2015, 09:39:21 AM
Don't know if the article was posted, but it has been discussed. Speaks volumes of the coaching staff, that we are not only adapting to the new rules, but that a relatively young team isn't making the common mistakes that young players so often do.
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 28, 2015, 09:56:23 AM
Seriously, stop posting the entirety, or nearly the entirety of Matt V.'s articles.
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: brandx on December 28, 2015, 10:15:00 AM
This is meaningless.

We have played a schedule of cupcakes whose only chance was to fire up three's.

Conversely, they have had no defense other than fouling - for the most part - to stop our bigger guys inside.
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 28, 2015, 10:40:24 AM
Quote from: TSmith34 on December 28, 2015, 09:56:23 AM
Seriously, stop posting the entirety, or nearly the entirety of Matt V.'s articles.

I will not.  If you feel that the JS is hurting so bad that another 50 to 100 hits matters, then go spend your afternoon hitting the link.

JS is so bankrupt that no one notices that Matt V publishes these articles until I post them here three days later (unlike ESPN.com where every link with the word "Marquette" gets posted here within 3 minutes of it hitting the site).  The JS organization cannot be saved (like all print media).  NO ONE READS THEM and my altering posts here will not change that.  They give it away for free so it will be treated as such.

When Matt relocates to a  paywall site, I will respect it and not post.
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: keefe on December 28, 2015, 11:08:40 AM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 28, 2015, 10:40:24 AM
I will not.  If you feel that the JS is hurting so bad that another 50 to 100 hits matters, then go spend your afternoon hitting the link.

JS is so bankrupt that no one notices that Matt V publishes these articles until I post them here three days later (unlike ESPN.com where every link with the word "Marquette" gets posted here within 3 minutes of it hitting the site).  The JS organization cannot be saved (like all print media).  NO ONE READS THEM and my altering posts here will not change that.  They give it away for free so it will be treated as such.

When Matt relocates to a  paywall site, I will respect it and not post.

All you are doing is hurting Matt. That doesn't seem right. The guy has done a great job covering our favorite team and deserves the credit.

Post the link but stop cutting and pasting the whole article.
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: mu03eng on December 28, 2015, 11:11:33 AM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 28, 2015, 10:40:24 AM
I will not.  If you feel that the JS is hurting so bad that another 50 to 100 hits matters, then go spend your afternoon hitting the link.

JS is so bankrupt that no one notices that Matt V publishes these articles until I post them here three days later (unlike ESPN.com where every link with the word "Marquette" gets posted here within 3 minutes of it hitting the site).  The JS organization cannot be saved (like all print media).  NO ONE READS THEM and my altering posts here will not change that.  They give it away for free so it will be treated as such.

When Matt relocates to a  paywall site, I will respect it and not post.

A) Might get you more clicks/comments if I didn't have to scroll through the text of an article I already read

B) Most, if not all, of Matt's articles are automatically populated within Scoop like Crackedsidewalks and Paint Touches....at least post the full article if you must within that thread so we don't have seven iterations of the same article.
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: Eldon on December 28, 2015, 11:37:33 AM
Quote from: mu03eng on December 28, 2015, 11:11:33 AM
A) Might get you more clicks/comments if I didn't have to scroll through the text of an article I already read

B) Most, if not all, of Matt's articles are automatically populated within Scoop like Crackedsidewalks and Paint Touches....at least post the full article if you must within that thread so we don't have seven iterations of the same article.

I didn't see this article or the other article (Wojo-is-upset-after-win) being autofed to Scoop.  I wonder why that is
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: keefe on December 28, 2015, 11:40:06 AM
Quote from: mu03eng on December 28, 2015, 11:11:33 AM

B) Most, if not all, of Matt's articles are automatically populated within Scoop like Crackedsidewalks and Paint Touches....at least post the full article if you must within that thread so we don't have seven iterations of the same article.

The links are autofed with a teaser. But the entire article is never posted.

Matt is evaluated on click count so if we want the JS to continue covering MU we need to go to the site and register a visit.
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 28, 2015, 11:56:24 AM
Quote from: keefe on December 28, 2015, 11:08:40 AM
All you are doing is hurting Matt. That doesn't seem right. The guy has done a great job covering our favorite team and deserves the credit.

Post the link but stop cutting and pasting the whole article.

How does this hurt Matt?  Is his employment contract has a stipulation for clicks on his stories?
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 28, 2015, 12:02:46 PM
Quote from: keefe on December 28, 2015, 11:08:40 AM
All you are doing is hurting Matt. That doesn't seem right. The guy has done a great job covering our favorite team and deserves the credit.

Post the link but stop cutting and pasting the whole article.

If I had not posted this story or the Wojo is not happy with the game yesterday, no one would have noticed them.  If I was Matt, I would be far more concerned that his JS articles about MU basketball are virtually invisible to the largest MU message board.  By contrast Myron Medcalf has some story buried in the labyrinth that is ESPN.com and mentions MU in about the 15th paragraph and within minutes after that hits ESPN.com.  Someone here find it and posts it.  That should worry Matt.

It is a damming indictment of the JS online strategy and if my copy and paste of some text is affecting his employer, they are doomed.
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: naginiF on December 28, 2015, 12:04:07 PM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 28, 2015, 11:56:24 AM
How does this hurt Matt?  Is his employment contract has a stipulation for clicks on his stories?
you don't see how a professional journalist benefits from a measurable showing of how popular his content is?
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 28, 2015, 12:11:01 PM
Quote from: naginiF on December 28, 2015, 12:04:07 PM
you don't see how a professional journalist benefits from a measurable showing of how popular his content is?

For his ego or his paycheck?  You know that hit counts on the JS site affect his paycheck?  Because if they do, I will repeat again, it appears that no one here but me reads him as I'm the only one that posts what he says. 

Also look at his automatic posts, looks at the hit count ... everyone here knows it's an auto-generated so they do not bother.  His post games notes have 271 hits.  Towers' post game notes have 1858 hits.  A fireman's post-game opinion is 9 times more popular than the MU beat writers post-game opinion.

RealChili's game day thread has 454 hits, Matt pre-game thread has 81 hits.

You may love him but no one posts his stuff here but me and his auto-generated posts attract relatively little to no interest here.

You guys have all voted with your action ... you don't bother with him.   So don't blame me for posting his text, start reading him yourself!
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 28, 2015, 12:16:14 PM
Berg....it shows people are going to the JS to read about MU.  That helps to justify resources toward MU by the JS which ultimately does impact his paycheck, etc.

In my view, I think putting a small excerpt is ok, but then link the rest of the story to the JS.  That way you get credit for finding the story, the link helps Matt and the JS.  Win win.
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: real chili 83 on December 28, 2015, 12:20:51 PM
Agreed.  Bergendomer, do a link.
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 28, 2015, 12:21:05 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 28, 2015, 12:16:14 PM
Berg....it shows people are going to the JS to read about MU.  That helps to justify resources toward MU by the JS which ultimately does impact his paycheck, etc.

In my view, I think putting a small excerpt is ok, but then link the rest of the story to the JS.  That way you get credit for finding the story, the link helps Matt and the JS.  Win win.

Quote from: real chili 83 on December 28, 2015, 12:20:51 PM
Agreed.  Bergendomer, do a link.

I understand completely what you are saying.  Fact is no one reads him (see my post above) and if I just post his link (which I will do alone in the coming days) watch how that thread dies and not one bothers.

The painful truth is it political correct to say we like him but no one actually backs it up with actions and reads him (I actually do which is why he is even here in the first place).   Why is he not read?  Because daily newspapers have been discredited and "everyone understands" if it is a story that goes into the paper, it probably says nothing and is not worth reading.  Unfair or not, that is why we don't read him.  It is his employers fault and he suffers from it.

Sorry to bust your bubble.
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: naginiF on December 28, 2015, 12:26:48 PM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 28, 2015, 12:11:01 PM


You guys have all voted with your action ... you don't bother with him.   So don't blame me for posting his text, start reading him yourself!
I'm not a big Twitter fan but I do follow Matt.  Why?  a) for the links to his content, b) to support for MU hoops (Chico's point), and c) to show support for Matt.  "C" follows the same logic as going to where he posts....more followers equates to a visible showing of support for his efforts.

Edit - he tweeted this story 19 hrs ago and 39min ago the BE honors of the week that MU got. 
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 28, 2015, 12:36:02 PM
Towers threads get more hits because people repeatedly go back to them to add to the discussion. Its the same 271 people, just multiplied. We usually dont discuss in the auto threads. I can tell you with 100% certainty that Matty V is evaluated by the amount of traffic his blog has (among other things).
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: mu03eng on December 28, 2015, 12:39:05 PM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 28, 2015, 12:21:05 PM
I understand completely what you are saying.  Fact is no one reads him (see my post above) and if I just post his link (which I will do alone in the coming days) watch how that thread dies and not one bothers.

The painful truth is it political correct to say we like him but no one actually backs it up with actions and reads him (I actually do which is why he is even here in the first place).   Why is he not read?  Because daily newspapers have been discredited and "everyone understands" if it is a story that goes into the paper, it probably says nothing and is not worth reading.  Unfair or not, that is why we don't read him.  It is his employers fault and he suffers from it.

Sorry to bust your bubble.

Careful you don't break your shoulder blade patting yourself on the back for your superior intellect.

First, just because people don't post his articles doesn't mean they don't read them.  I've seen plenty of people reference his work in threads without linking to the article. Second, not driving clicks to JS hurts Marquette as clicks is one way JS measures interest in content.  If we aren't click on his articles then JS doesn't know we are interested.  Lastly, posting entire articles is just dumb because it lengthens threads and makes them less desirable to read.

Links with a description but not the whole article should be the rule around here
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 28, 2015, 01:20:48 PM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 28, 2015, 12:21:05 PM
I understand completely what you are saying.  Fact is no one reads him (see my post above) and if I just post his link (which I will do alone in the coming days) watch how that thread dies and not one bothers.

Edited original again.

It is a copyright violation to post the entire articles here.  Technically I'm not liable for what you post here (refer to the click-through agreement on the registration page), but if the JS comes to me with a copyright violation suit, I'd be handing them your information.  So better to avoid it altogether.

p.s. - I have previously received emails from the JS about copyright violations, which have all be resolved in a friendly way,  but please don't make me a target for them.
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 28, 2015, 01:32:59 PM
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 28, 2015, 01:20:48 PM
Edited original again.

It is a copyright violation to post the entire articles here.  Technically I'm not liable for what you post here (refer to the click-through agreement on the registration page), but if the JS comes to me with a copyright violation suit, I'd be handing them your information.  So better to avoid it altogether.

p.s. - I have previously received emails from the JS about copyright violations, which have all be resolved in a friendly way,  but please don't make me a target for them.

Agreed all is too much but "most" may not be, if you can define"most."  Seems no one define "most. see the link below.

I will abide by the new rules because Rocky said so.

http://www.socialfresh.com/how-to-use-content-from-other-blogs-without-infringing-on-their-copyright/

Amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to entire original work
Did you copy ALL of the work?
Did you copy MOST of the work?
The more you use, the more likely you are in the wrong. What is the right length? Many will say a couple paragraphs is fine. The AP specifically asks bloggers to pay for quotations more than 4 words. That is the extreme. The best rule of thumb here, as with most of copyright, is if you are unsure, just ask the copyright holder for permission.
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on December 28, 2015, 01:44:10 PM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 28, 2015, 12:11:01 PM
For his ego or his paycheck?  You know that hit counts on the JS site affect his paycheck?  Because if they do, I will repeat again, it appears that no one here but me reads him as I'm the only one that posts what he says. 


You may love him but no one posts his stuff here but me and his auto-generated posts attract relatively little to no interest here.



I read JSonline daily but never post Matt's stories here because I know his auto feed will post the link if it hadn't already
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 28, 2015, 01:47:15 PM
Quote from: Waldo Jeffers on December 28, 2015, 01:44:10 PM
I read JSonline daily but never post Matt's stories here because I know his auto feed will post the link if it hadn't already

He only auto-feeds his JS blog posts, not stories for the paper.
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 28, 2015, 02:20:26 PM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 28, 2015, 01:47:15 PM
He only auto-feeds his JS blog posts, not stories for the paper.

I can add a feed for his stories.  The JS broke it a while ago, but looks like it's working again.
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: The Lens on December 28, 2015, 02:40:49 PM
I know a few writers for the JS.  They are very aware of their clicks, their editors are too.  Matt deserves as many clicks as possible.  It is one measuring tool of his performance
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on December 28, 2015, 03:04:45 PM
Quote from: brandx on December 28, 2015, 10:15:00 AM
This is meaningless.

We have played a schedule of cupcakes whose only chance was to fire up three's.

Conversely, they have had no defense other than fouling - for the most part - to stop our bigger guys inside.

All in favor of referring to UW as a cupcake from now on?
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: BM1090 on December 28, 2015, 03:06:57 PM
Quote from: brandx on December 28, 2015, 10:15:00 AM
This is meaningless.

We have played a schedule of cupcakes whose only chance was to fire up three's.

Conversely, they have had no defense other than fouling - for the most part - to stop our bigger guys inside.

I don't think it's meaningless. If we were merely good at keeping teams away from the line then I'd agree it's meaningless. But best in the country? Even with a soft schedule, that means something.
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: brandx on December 28, 2015, 03:29:22 PM
Quote from: keefe on December 28, 2015, 11:08:40 AM
All you are doing is hurting Matt. That doesn't seem right. The guy has done a great job covering our favorite team and deserves the credit.

Post the link but stop cutting and pasting the whole article.

Exactly. He should be getting the hits.
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: brandx on December 28, 2015, 03:32:45 PM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 28, 2015, 12:21:05 PM
I understand completely what you are saying.  Fact is no one reads him (see my post above) and if I just post his link (which I will do alone in the coming days) watch how that thread dies and not one bothers.



Show us proof of that - instead of just pulling every thought you have out of your a$$.
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: brandx on December 28, 2015, 03:36:26 PM
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on December 28, 2015, 03:06:57 PM
I don't think it's meaningless. If we were merely good at keeping teams away from the line then I'd agree it's meaningless. But best in the country? Even with a soft schedule, that means something.

Eagle, I should have been clearer in my response. When I said it is meaningless, I meant right now it is meaningless.

If the numbers look like this or even close when we are halfway through the BE schedule, it is going to mean a lot.
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: MU82 on December 28, 2015, 03:42:29 PM
Heisy, honestly ...

I understand why those who want Matt to get credit for the clicks say what they do. I don't understand why you are so against it. Makes no sense. I like to think you aren't acting purely out of stubbornness and/or selfishness, but it certainly appears you are.

Matt is not going to get fired if his articles don't generate the few hundred extra clicks that he might get from Scoopers. It almost surely will not make a material difference in his future salaries or promotions, either. But that's besides the point. It's the principle.

On the Politics Board, you often talk about doing something for the principle of it, or because it's the right thing to do. Do you really believe that, or is it just blah-blah-blah?

Matt does excellent work covering the Warriors. He deserves the clicks. Period.
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 28, 2015, 03:54:18 PM
Quote from: MU82 on December 28, 2015, 03:42:29 PM
Heisy, honestly ...

I understand why those who want Matt to get credit for the clicks say what they do. I don't understand why you are so against it. Makes no sense. I like to think you aren't acting purely out of stubbornness and/or selfishness, but it certainly appears you are.

Matt is not going to get fired if his articles don't generate the few hundred extra clicks that he might get from Scoopers. It almost surely will not make a material difference in his future salaries or promotions, either. But that's besides the point. It's the principle.

On the Politics Board, you often talk about doing something for the principle of it, or because it's the right thing to do. Do you really believe that, or is it just blah-blah-blah?

Matt does excellent work covering the Warriors. He deserves the clicks. Period.

I agreed to stop posting his text in its entirety, said so above.  Rocky even edited it already.

Again, for a guy that does great work, he hardly ever gets mentioned here, his auto-generated links have almost very few hits.   We say how good his stuff is yet act like no one reads him.  Or if they do, how come no one thought his free throw story was not important enough to post until I did three days later?  Yet every fart from Katz and Medcalf that is even remotely related to MU and/or the Big East gets linked, discussed and dissected to death?

Matt is a talented guy in a dying industry and his dying industry is holding him back.   He's be better off as a blogger or even working with Paint Touches instead of the fish-wrap known and the Journal-sentinel.
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: PaintTouches on December 28, 2015, 03:59:32 PM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 28, 2015, 03:54:18 PM
Matt is a talented guy in a dying industry and his dying industry is holding him back.   He's be better off as a blogger or even working with Paint Touches instead of the fish-wrap known and the Journal-sentinel.

Dude, if Matt wants to join PT and share in the $10 a month we make, he's more than welcome. For now, just let it go man. Matt does great work that should be supported not preempted. Trust me, those couple hundred clicks may be insignificant for any one particular story, but Scoop sends a 10-20k page views to PT every year. Add it all up and it does make a difference.
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: BM1090 on December 28, 2015, 04:00:30 PM
Quote from: brandx on December 28, 2015, 03:36:26 PM
Eagle, I should have been clearer in my response. When I said it is meaningless, I meant right now it is meaningless.

If the numbers look like this or even close when we are halfway through the BE schedule, it is going to mean a lot.

This is fair.

Also, regarding the Matt V. discussion....I read every single one of his articles regardless if they are posted here. He's been fantastic covering Marquette. We've had a few terrible reporters since Rosiak, whether it was effort (Hunt) or everything (Enlund), we've all had to deal with little to no attention being paid to Marquette from the JS.

We finally have a great reporter. If there's even a slight chance that clicking his links means that Matt gets to continue to cover Marquette, we should do it. There's no downside, and he deserves it.
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: brandx on December 28, 2015, 04:06:23 PM
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on December 28, 2015, 04:00:30 PM
This is fair.

Also, regarding the Matt V. discussion....I read every single one of his articles regardless if they are posted here. He's been fantastic covering Marquette. We've had a few terrible reporters since Rosiak, whether it was effort (Hunt) or everything (Enlund), we've all had to deal with little to no attention being paid to Marquette from the JS.

We finally have a great reporter. If there's even a slight chance that clicking his links means that Matt gets to continue to cover Marquette, we should do it. There's no downside, and he deserves it.

Bravo. I agree with everything you said about the job that Matt does (and what the last couple didn't do).

We should support Matt by going to JSonline to read his articles.
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: MU82 on December 28, 2015, 09:54:04 PM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 28, 2015, 03:54:18 PM

Matt is a talented guy in a dying industry and his dying industry is holding him back.   He's be better off as a blogger or even working with Paint Touches instead of the fish-wrap known and the Journal-sentinel.

This shows a total lack of understanding of the media landscape.

It is almost impossible to make a living writing for the interwebs. There are a few exceptions: ESPN.com, Yahoo.com, maybe a couple others. But for the most part, writers on Internet sites make diddly. Even the biggies like the ones I named have had huge rounds of layoffs recently.

Bloggers? The vast majority make zero. That's right: Zero. They do it for the love of the work and to hope against hope that they will be discovered. It's a very difficult way to try to make a mark.

Paint Touches? $10/month, as the guy a few posts before me said. I spent a few months writing for Chicago Now -- the Chicago Tribune's blog site -- just to stay in "the game." But by my fourth month, after my biggest paycheck was $18 -- for an entire month -- I realized it was idiocy on my part and said hasta la vista.

In contrast, reporters at major metro newspapers can make a living. Most aren't getting rich, but they can earn a real salary that can help support a real family. It is a dying industry, but it isn't dead yet, and won't be for some time.

The only way somebody like Matt has of getting a great job at a place like ESPN.com or at a bigger newspaper in a bigger market is to kick a$$ at the Journal-Sentinel and hope his resume can impress the powers-that-be. It's a tough road, because the competition is fierce.
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: MU86NC on December 28, 2015, 10:22:45 PM
So I think we have this settled...
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: slingkong on December 29, 2015, 08:15:22 AM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 28, 2015, 01:32:59 PM
Agreed all is too much but "most" may not be, if you can define"most."  Seems no one define "most. see the link below.

I will abide by the new rules because Rocky said so.

http://www.socialfresh.com/how-to-use-content-from-other-blogs-without-infringing-on-their-copyright/

Amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to entire original work
Did you copy ALL of the work?
Did you copy MOST of the work?
The more you use, the more likely you are in the wrong. What is the right length? Many will say a couple paragraphs is fine. The AP specifically asks bloggers to pay for quotations more than 4 words. That is the extreme. The best rule of thumb here, as with most of copyright, is if you are unsure, just ask the copyright holder for permission.


Fair use is a defense to infringement. So even posting a snippet is infringing Matt's work, which the JS owns copyright in, but you would be able to argue fair use if they were to sue (they won't).

Mods, any way you know of to signal thread creators in aggregators like Feedly so people don't waste time reading Heisenberg's BS and then his even worse legal ramblings?
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: slingkong on December 29, 2015, 08:16:33 AM
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on December 28, 2015, 04:00:30 PM
This is fair.

Also, regarding the Matt V. discussion....I read every single one of his articles regardless if they are posted here. He's been fantastic covering Marquette. We've had a few terrible reporters since Rosiak, whether it was effort (Hunt) or everything (Enlund), we've all had to deal with little to no attention being paid to Marquette from the JS.

We finally have a great reporter. If there's even a slight chance that clicking his links means that Matt gets to continue to cover Marquette, we should do it. There's no downside, and he deserves it.

Like you and at least one other on this thread, I read all of his articles from jsonline. But I get those links via Twitter rather than through the Scoop autolinks.
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 29, 2015, 09:26:55 AM
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on December 28, 2015, 04:00:30 PM
This is fair.

Also, regarding the Matt V. discussion....I read every single one of his articles regardless if they are posted here. He's been fantastic covering Marquette. We've had a few terrible reporters since Rosiak, whether it was effort (Hunt) or everything (Enlund), we've all had to deal with little to no attention being paid to Marquette from the JS.

We finally have a great reporter. If there's even a slight chance that clicking his links means that Matt gets to continue to cover Marquette, we should do it. There's no downside, and he deserves it.

The quote is right in line with all the other Wisconsin inferiority complex that dominates this place. 

Example, see how everyone here acts like insecure teenage girls because of one line in this article.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=49833.0

Fact is the failing JS need MU more than MU needs the JS.  JS should be thanking MU to give their customers another reason to buy their product.

Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: Windyplayer on December 29, 2015, 10:39:30 AM
After thorough review of both sides of the argument: I clicked on the link.
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: warriorchick on December 29, 2015, 10:51:26 AM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 29, 2015, 09:26:55 AM
The quote is right in line with all the other Wisconsin inferiority complex that dominates this place. 

Example, see how everyone here acts like insecure teenage girls because of one line in this article.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=49833.0

Fact is the failing JS need MU more than MU needs the JS.  JS should be thanking MU to give their customers another reason to buy their product.

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Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: real chili 83 on December 29, 2015, 11:04:33 AM
Quote from: Windyplayer on December 29, 2015, 10:39:30 AM
After thorough review of both sides of the argument: I clicked on the link.

Both sides:  Heisendomer v. THE REST OF SCOOP

Hdomer, are you channeling your inner Ners into this argument.  Did Ners steal your PW?   ;)
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: brandx on December 29, 2015, 12:44:45 PM
Quote from: real chili 83 on December 29, 2015, 11:04:33 AM
Both sides:  Heisendomer v. THE REST OF SCOOP

Hdomer, are you channeling your inner Ners into this argument.  Did Ners steal your PW?   ;)

Can't we just change Heisy's moniker to Ners? Like, Ners, he is never wrong.

Over and over and over and over and over............
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: brewcity77 on December 29, 2015, 01:04:15 PM
So...Marquette defending without fouling...any thoughts? No? Just checking.
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: Windyplayer on December 29, 2015, 01:06:19 PM
A tangential takeaway for me is Luke staying out of foul trouble. Absolutely critical to our success in the BEast.
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: brewcity77 on December 29, 2015, 01:22:14 PM
In our 12 games this season, we have had three guys foul out a total of four times.

Fischer fouled out against Iowa and Arizona State, while Ellenson and Cohen both fouled out against LSU. The good news is no one has fouled out since the ASU game, but we also haven't really played any good teams since the ASU game either.

We need to keep this up because in clutch time, Ellenson and Fischer both have to be on the floor, while Sandy is our best defender.
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 29, 2015, 01:23:35 PM
Quote from: warriorchick on December 29, 2015, 10:51:26 AM
Sharing copyrighted material without permission is both immoral and illegal. Just admit that you are wrong.  Is this really the hill you want to die on?

If I were the mods, I would automatically delete any posts that contained copyrighted material, especially if I had been previously contacted by the owners.

I did admit it and said I would stop.  Rocky edited the post. 

You on the last hill.
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: MU82 on December 29, 2015, 01:26:55 PM
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 29, 2015, 01:22:14 PM
In our 12 games this season, we have had three guys foul out a total of four times.

Fischer fouled out against Iowa and Arizona State, while Ellenson and Cohen both fouled out against LSU. The good news is no one has fouled out since the ASU game, but we also haven't really played any good teams since the ASU game either.

We need to keep this up because in clutch time, Ellenson and Fischer both have to be on the floor, while Sandy is our best defender.

I agree with all of this, including the part about us not playing enough good teams yet to know if this is a real trend.

I also agree with the previous commenter about us needing Luke on the floor as much as possible. We're not a great defensive team, especially not a very good m-t-m team, and we'll need that rim protector in the BE.
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 29, 2015, 01:41:26 PM
Quote from: MU82 on December 29, 2015, 01:26:55 PM
I agree with all of this, including the part about us not playing enough good teams yet to know if this is a real trend.

I also agree with the previous commenter about us needing Luke on the floor as much as possible. We're not a great defensive team, especially not a very good m-t-m team, and we'll need that rim protector in the BE.

Everyone is playing weak schedules right now, doesn't that all even out?.  And I though the weak schedule only means we haven't had to foul at the end of games because we have a comfortable lead (or are way behind like Iowa and their is no point).  So when we start playing games when we are slightly behind in the last two minutes, we are going to pile up fouls.

So we cannot assume we are going to foul at a greater rate the first 38 minutes of a BE game that is much more competitive.  Agree?
Title: Re: Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line
Post by: mu03eng on December 29, 2015, 01:55:08 PM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 29, 2015, 01:41:26 PM
Everyone is playing weak schedules right now, doesn't that all even out?.  And I though the weak schedule only means we haven't had to foul at the end of games because we have a comfortable lead (or are way behind like Iowa and their is no point).  So when we start playing games when we are slightly behind in the last two minutes, we are going to pile up fouls.

So we cannot assume we are going to fouls at a greater rate the first 38 minutes of a BE game that is much more competitive.  Agree?

Not sure what you are trying to say here.  But our schedule is weaker than the average bear (340 out of 351 according to KenPom), the next closest in the Big East is Creighton at 288 with at least half the BE better than 200. So yes, I think we will foul more in the Big East and/or give up more buckets than we have in the BE (high opponent eFG%)
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