http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/14417035/marquette-golden-eagles-freshman-henry-ellenson-joins-brother-rebuilding-program
this dana person? she/he is a SENIOR writer? hmmmmm. first off, MU has a helluva a lot more basketball history than he/she is giving us credit for. plus, we are sending quite a few head-turners to the big show
all in all, not the best written article, well maybe for a school newspaper
When reporters are talking about rebuilding, it's because their subjects, sources are talking about rebuilding. I doubt Wojo or any of his staff said:
"You know when we took over, it was a program a year removed from the Elite 8 and a Big East Title and had been to 8 straight NCAAs so that type of brand name and success helps in recruiting"
Quote from: rocket surgeon on December 22, 2015, 10:04:15 AM
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/14417035/marquette-golden-eagles-freshman-henry-ellenson-joins-brother-rebuilding-program
this dana person? she/he is a SENIOR writer? hmmmmm. first off, MU has a helluva a lot more basketball history than he/she is giving us credit for. plus, we are sending quite a few head-turners to the big show
all in all, not the best written article, well maybe for a school newspaper
I agree that it isn't the most flattering towards MU, but Dana O'Neil has been one of (if not the) best national media voices for the Big East. She's right to note that Henry could've received infinitely more attention had he chosen a blue blood program. Might be difficult to swallow as a Marquette fan, but I'd find it equally difficult to say the article is anything but fair...
I thought the article was fine. This is the worst thing they say. Is it inaccurate?
"Ellenson is a freshman at Marquette, which frankly has more basketball history than LSU but isn't a big sexy hoops brand-named school. The Golden Eagles are in the still-trying-to-redefine-itself Big East as well as recreating their own program under Steve Wojciechowski."
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on December 22, 2015, 10:22:27 AM
I thought the article was fine. This is the worst thing they say. Is it inaccurate?
"Ellenson is a freshman at Marquette, which frankly has more basketball history than LSU but isn't a big sexy hoops brand-named school. The Golden Eagles are in the still-trying-to-redefine-itself Big East as well as recreating their own program under Steve Wojciechowski."
No, it describes where MU is at. In this flavor of the month sports world, MU is not a sexy brand name at the moment.
Rocket, put a band-aid on your butt and get over it.
What that writer needs to do is forward that article to Goodman, along with the video clip where he says that Wally "never plays".
Dana is a very good writer, who has done some really good work. Reading this piece, however, it looks like such a formulaic bio piece, she could have whipped it out, and thrown it in a drawer (old times reference), for later use.
How could that work,.... today?
"Mom there's an alert here that ESPN emailed and said they want their weekly story, before they will release the auto deposit of your pay and Xmas bonus"
" OK fine, attach that "Ellenson Puff Piece" file in the return email to them and come down and help me with the tree"
Work has become a a necessary momentary interruption in our busy lives.
Merry Christmas.
Are we the only fan base that looks at an article that is 95% positive and obsesses over the 5%??
Jeez we come across as a bunch of oversensitive wussies.
When Wally came in 3 times last night--each time I leaned over to my daughter and said "he never plays." She said yes he does I've seen him play. I said he never plays.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on December 22, 2015, 11:02:54 AM
Are we the only fan base that looks at an article that is 95% positive and obsesses over the 5%??
Jeez we come across as a bunch of oversensitive wussies.
Nailed it!
I dont see the big deal. Who cares what the articles say? Why are we supposed to expect a sports article that is always pro-MU 100% of the time?
That flying rebound dunk last night was pretty freakin' cool.
Quote from: We R Final Four on December 22, 2015, 11:04:33 AM
When Wally came in 3 times last night--each time I leaned over to my daughter and said "he never plays." She said yes he does I've seen him play. I said he never plays.
Wally played 12-minutes in a loss to Iowa, and then a combined 11 minutes against LSU, ASU, and UW. Over/Under on playing 60 minutes in conference play? I would classify 3 MPG in conference play "never playing" for a junior.
Quote from: jsglow on December 22, 2015, 11:25:59 AM
That flying rebound dunk last night was pretty freakin' cool.
Yes, it was: http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/story/marquette-golden-eagles-wally-ellenson-putback-dunk-against-chicago-state-cougars-122215
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on December 22, 2015, 11:29:32 AM
Wally played 12-minutes in a loss to Iowa, and then a combined 11 minutes against LSU, ASU, and UW. Over/Under on playing 60 minutes in conference play? I would classify 3 MPG in conference play "never playing" for a junior.
Oh, I stand corrected. Here I thought he never plays meant he never plays. Is 60 minutes in conference play your arbitrary definition of he never plays?
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on December 22, 2015, 11:29:32 AM
Wally played 12-minutes in a loss to Iowa, and then a combined 11 minutes against LSU, ASU, and UW. Over/Under on playing 60 minutes in conference play? I would classify 3 MPG in conference play "never playing" for a junior.
We're simply not surviving with a 7 man rotation through 18 conference games. Wally plays. Under 8 a game but he plays.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on December 22, 2015, 11:02:54 AM
Are we the only fan base that looks at an article that is 95% positive and obsesses over the 5%??
Jeez we come across as a bunch of oversensitive wussies.
Exactly.
ESPN likes star players, big names and big markets. Marquette basketball is none of those things. Quite frankly, the Big East isn't either. We can argue about the 3 teams currently in the top 10 or 6 teams making the NCAAT last season or conference RPI but at the end of the day, the Big East lacks national star power. Marquette doesn't move the needle nationally and, honestly, Marquette doesn't necessarily move the needle a significant amount in the state of Wisconsin (or in Michigan where many people think MU is located).
On a national level, many pundits simply can't understand why a top 5-10 recruit would go to a school like Marquette over the likes of Michigan State, Kentucky, Duke, Kansas, or even UCLA and Indiana. To us, it would be like Ellenson choosing UWGB over Marquette and Wisconsin.
Lighten up and enjoy the press. MU has a good one. Let's not overreact to the national media downplaying MU basketball when they're talking him up.
Dana is pretty good, been around the block for many years.
Quote from: GoldenZebra on December 22, 2015, 11:16:32 AM
I dont see the big deal. Who cares what the articles say? Why are we supposed to expect a sports article that is always pro-MU 100% of the time?
I dont see the big deal.... Its Henry, Its Henry...the highest rated MU recruit in decades, and likely, its first one and done. Its a front page MU article on ESPN, the No 1 Sports TV/Web portal in the world. Some guy in Turkey is reading this article now. lol
Who cares what the articles say? Everyone on this board, to one extent or another. Everyone is an MU BB Fan (abbrev. for "fanatic"), so we have an extreme, ephemeral, sometimes irrational tendency to support and even defend our team.
Why are we supposed to expect a sports article that is always pro-MU 100% of the time? Likely few if any ...'expect" it. As Fanatics, however, we tend to hope for that. And thats OK. Being a sports fan is a great outlet; it brings pleasure.
Its also fine that there is always someone to scold fan talk and try to apply logic and restraint. Every party crowd needs that designated driver. lol
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on December 22, 2015, 11:02:54 AM
Are we the only fan base that looks at an article that is 95% positive and obsesses over the 5%??
Jeez we come across as a bunch of oversensitive wussies.
Post of the day!
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on December 22, 2015, 11:02:54 AM
Are we the only fan base that looks at an article that is 95% positive and obsesses over the 5%??
Jeez we come across as a bunch of oversensitive wussies.
I think all fan bases are probably overly sensitive.
It is funny though - there was just a thread with people whining that ESPN totally ignored the BE. So, what happens when they put up an article about MU?
Yup, you see the results. And some of the same people doing the whining.
I like Dana - she was good when it was the old big east - the article could have mentioned the following though - that father ellenson played at MU - that MU has pretty much locked up the top player(s0 in Wisco for the last decade
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on December 22, 2015, 11:38:44 AM
Exactly.
ESPN likes star players, big names and big markets. Marquette basketball is none of those things. Quite frankly, the Big East isn't either. We can argue about the 3 teams currently in the top 10 or 6 teams making the NCAAT last season or conference RPI but at the end of the day, the Big East lacks national star power. Marquette doesn't move the needle nationally and, honestly, Marquette doesn't necessarily move the needle a significant amount in the state of Wisconsin (or in Michigan where many people think MU is located).
On a national level, many pundits simply can't understand why a top 5-10 recruit would go to a school like Marquette over the likes of Michigan State, Kentucky, Duke, Kansas, or even UCLA and Indiana. To us, it would be like Ellenson choosing UWGB over Marquette and Wisconsin.
Lighten up and enjoy the press. MU has a good one. Let's not overreact to the national media downplaying MU basketball when they're talking him up.
Agree
I love anything positive about Marquette and BIG BAD HANK!
The article was great -- of course it is a story that MU has a top 5/10 recruit -- we haven't had one in like 3 decades. I am glad HE wanted to play with his brother and stay in WI -- at least it wasn't painted as something nefarious as some would try to do.
CBS Sports CBB @CBSSportsCBB 5m5 minutes ago
The latest Nat'l Freshman of the Year Watch:
1. Simmons
2. Ellenson
3. Ingram
4. Lawson
5. Beasley
This has me thinking about what kind of articles were being written about Wade and MU the year he exploded on the scene. And that was when we were still in Conference USA.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on December 22, 2015, 11:38:44 AM
Exactly.
ESPN likes star players, big names and big markets. Marquette basketball is none of those things. Quite frankly, the Big East isn't either. We can argue about the 3 teams currently in the top 10 or 6 teams making the NCAAT last season or conference RPI but at the end of the day, the Big East lacks national star power. Marquette doesn't move the needle nationally and, honestly, Marquette doesn't necessarily move the needle a significant amount in the state of Wisconsin (or in Michigan where many people think MU is located).
On a national level, many pundits simply can't understand why a top 5-10 recruit would go to a school like Marquette over the likes of Michigan State, Kentucky, Duke, Kansas, or even UCLA and Indiana. To us, it would be like Ellenson choosing UWGB over Marquette and Wisconsin.
Lighten up and enjoy the press. MU has a good one. Let's not overreact to the national media downplaying MU basketball when they're talking him up.
I read Scoop every day, and this might be the most accurate, self-aware post I read in 2015.
Quote from: We R Final Four on December 22, 2015, 11:33:03 AM
Oh, I stand corrected. Here I thought he never plays meant he never plays. Is 60 minutes in conference play your arbitrary definition of he never plays?
Do you have the clip? I would like to see the tone he said it in. If he said something like "he will never see the court during a MU game" or something like that please ignore the rest of this rant. If he said "he'll never play" than I only assume he meant he will hardly ever play and never play meaningful minutes. He's a redshirt junior and only got 11 minutes in our last 3 competitive games. But three check-ins in what should be a exhibition Chicago State game is enough to hold Goodman's comment against him?
Quote from: VegasWarrior77 on December 22, 2015, 01:52:14 PM
CBS Sports CBB @CBSSportsCBB 5m5 minutes ago
The latest Nat'l Freshman of the Year Watch:
1. Simmons
2. Ellenson
3. Ingram
4. Lawson
5. Beasley
Stone????
MAKE MARQUETTE SEXY AGAIN!
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 22, 2015, 03:59:21 PM
Stone????
If Stone was at a school where he was a starter instead of on a veteran team, he would be a 15/8 guy at least.
His game is strong and pretty advanced for a freshman. He is a good shooter, rebounder, and passer. Sees the court very well whether he is high or low. He would be in the top 5 on the list.
Stone is getting close to a 11/5 in 18.3 MPG and is shooting a solid 54%. A little underwhelming now but give him a few months and I could see him taking over as one of the main options on a top 5 team in the nation.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on December 22, 2015, 03:57:03 PM
Do you have the clip? I would like to see the tone he said it in. If he said something like "he will never see the court during a MU game" or something like that please ignore the rest of this rant. If he said "he'll never play" than I only assume he meant he will hardly ever play and never play meaningful minutes. He's a redshirt junior and only got 11 minutes in our last 3 competitive games. But three check-ins in what should be a exhibition Chicago State game is enough to hold Goodman's comment against him?
I believe it is on my DVR right now as part of my recording of the Wisconsin Game. I will see what I can do about creating a clip out of it. Maybe I can get something out of the six-figure Digital Media degree we gave Glow jr.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on December 22, 2015, 04:30:48 PM
Stone is getting close to a 11/5 in 18.3 MPG and is shooting a solid 54%. A little underwhelming now but give him a few months and I could see him taking over as one of the main options on a top 5 team in the nation.
Thanks for the stats. Put that to 28 - 30 minutes and the numbers would be about 17/8 per game. Pretty close to the 15/8 that I guessed at.
Wally I think will get more minutes. I knew he could jump, but he is also quick. When we face more bruising teams he may be essential. As long as he plays within his element I could see him as an asset on the court.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on December 22, 2015, 03:57:03 PM
Do you have the clip? I would like to see the tone he said it in. If he said something like "he will never see the court during a MU game" or something like that please ignore the rest of this rant. If he said "he'll never play" than I only assume he meant he will hardly ever play and never play meaningful minutes. He's a redshirt junior and only got 11 minutes in our last 3 competitive games. But three check-ins in what should be a exhibition Chicago State game is enough to hold Goodman's comment against him?
They were talking about Henry picking MU instead of Wiscy. Goodman, with his best imbecile-like sh!t-eating grin, said something to the effect of "Wojo did a really a smart thing... he recruited his brother Henry (actually meaning to say Wally), who never plays, to transfer in from Minnesota to convince him to commit..."
Goodman's a hack. He has literally been the undisputed king of hyperbole for his entire career.
Quote from: warriorchick on December 22, 2015, 10:42:21 AM
Rocket, put a band-aid on your butt and get over it.
What that writer needs to do is forward that article to Goodman, along with the video clip where he says that Wally "never plays".
no injuries here chick, just sticking up for the warriors. my first thoughts after reading it were that it was slapped together like we all used to write our papers, the night before and then hope it flies. the best i could give something like this to a "senior" reporter is a "C" on a good day. it didn't seem like dana put much effort into this. 2nd thoughts were that it was a back-up story to some other story that didn't pan out
overall, i guess i can be happy to get any notice at all
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on December 22, 2015, 11:38:44 AM
Exactly.
ESPN likes star players, big names and big markets. Marquette basketball is none of those things. Quite frankly, the Big East isn't either. We can argue about the 3 teams currently in the top 10 or 6 teams making the NCAAT last season or conference RPI but at the end of the day, the Big East lacks national star power. Marquette doesn't move the needle nationally and, honestly, Marquette doesn't necessarily move the needle a significant amount in the state of Wisconsin (or in Michigan where many people think MU is located).
On a national level, many pundits simply can't understand why a top 5-10 recruit would go to a school like Marquette over the likes of Michigan State, Kentucky, Duke, Kansas, or even UCLA and Indiana. To us, it would be like Ellenson choosing UWGB over Marquette and Wisconsin.
Lighten up and enjoy the press. MU has a good one. Let's not overreact to the national media downplaying MU basketball when they're talking him up.
Sorry, disagree. MU is big time college bb, even when it is not.
Quote from: willie warrior on December 22, 2015, 08:07:05 PM
Sorry, disagree. MU is big time college bb, even when it is not.
How do you define "big time college bb?"
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on December 22, 2015, 08:08:56 PM
How do you define "big time college bb?"
It's defined by the color teal.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on December 22, 2015, 03:57:03 PM
Do you have the clip? I would like to see the tone he said it in. If he said something like "he will never see the court during a MU game" or something like that please ignore the rest of this rant. If he said "he'll never play" than I only assume he meant he will hardly ever play and never play meaningful minutes. He's a redshirt junior and only got 11 minutes in our last 3 competitive games. But three check-ins in what should be a exhibition Chicago State game is enough to hold Goodman's comment against him?
No clip. Goodman said it as a slight to MU and Wojo. It was clear and it was intentional. My feelings aren't hurt, but like Chick I was not happy with Mr Goodmans agenda.
Nice story, all in all.
Let's face it. There are several realities that we have to acknowledge:
1) Al hasn't been coach here in almost 40 years. It's been that long since we won it. If you were born the night we won the national title, you children may well be at Marquette. If you were on campus ripping out parking meters and destroying airports the night we won it all, your grandchildren may be out of Marquette!
2) We have only been to the final four once since that day. We've had enough coaches to well, embarrass most anyone in college basketball.
3) The Hillbilly left a very empty cupboard and we're still recovering from it.
4) The marquee names in our conference, UConn, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Notre Dame and Loserville split. We have a solid conference with good potential but we pale in comparison to what we once were.
5) Wojo is still learning. Personally I think he's going to be a great one but Rome wasn't built in a day and Al didn't win his first national title in 1966.
Amid all this, Ms. O'Neill wrote an incredibly fair article. I hope she is wrong and Henry is around for a little while.
Quote from: We R Final Four on December 22, 2015, 09:38:28 PM
No clip. Goodman said it as a slight to MU and Wojo. It was clear and it was intentional. My feelings aren't hurt, but like Chick I was not happy with Mr Goodmans agenda.
In contrast, Foxsports posted a highlight of Wally's dunk today, with a title that disses Chicago State to boot:
http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/story/marquette-golden-eagles-wally-ellenson-putback-dunk-against-chicago-state-cougars-122215
Quote from: dgies9156 on December 22, 2015, 10:00:51 PM
Nice story, all in all.
If you were born the night we won the national title, you children may well be at Marquette. If you were on campus ripping out parking meters and destroying airports the night we won it all, your grandchildren may be out of Marquette!
I smiled at this..as my friend still has the parking meter someone had broken off that spring night in '77.
It led me to compare your timing..You made a great point, no doubt, but....Its a little off.
I have a 42 yr old stepdaughter. If she birthed her first child on her 21st birthday (she has no kids) her oldest could be an MU senior. My calendar lines up so far, but...
If I was her birth father, however, it means I would have gotten some girl pregnant while I was a HS freshman. I was irresponsible back then, but few of we MU parking meter thieves, were already dads in '77. lol
Youth today and college grads in my day, tended to have kids in their mid to late twenties. As a result, my oldest grandchild just turned 5 and she is getting her first MU cheerleader outfit for Christmas.
I tell her Al McGuire stories at every bedtime. She doesn't believe in Al McGuire (my stories are too unbelievable), But she believes in Santa. lol Go Figure
Quote from: houwarrior on December 23, 2015, 07:31:07 PM
I smiled at this..as my friend still has the parking meter someone had broken off that spring night in '77.
It led me to compare your timing..You made a great point, no doubt, but....Its a little off.
I have a 42 yr old stepdaughter. If she birthed her first child on her 21st birthday (she has no kids) her oldest could be an MU senior. My calendar lines up so far, but...
If I was her birth father, however, it means I would have gotten some girl pregnant while I was a HS freshman. I was irresponsible back then, but few of we MU parking meter thieves, were already dads in '77. lol
Youth today and college grads in my day, tended to have kids in their mid to late twenties. As a result, my oldest grandchild just turned 5 and she is getting her first MU cheerleader outfit for Christmas.
I tell her Al McGuire stories at every bedtime. She doesn't believe in Al McGuire (my stories are too unbelievable), But she believes in Santa. lol Go Figure
Thanks HouWarrior. You made my day!
You do realize that if she does not believe in Al McGuire, she will be condemned to being a Badger. Or worse, an Aggie. We don't want that to happen now, do we?
Glad to hear those parking meters went to good use.
IMO Dana is one of the better college basketball writers and has written some some very good articles over the years. This article was not her best writing but I don't think she wrote an unfair article, seems like someone else said a little too much of a template profile article. We don't need to get riled up over this, sit back and enjoy the drama to the west.
Quote from: dgies9156 on December 23, 2015, 07:57:45 PM
You do realize that if she does not believe in Al McGuire, she will be condemned to being a Badger. Or worse, an Aggie. We don't want that to happen now, do we?
Ahem!
In what way is a badger better than an aggie? Better dead than red!
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on December 22, 2015, 08:08:56 PM
How do you define "big time college bb?"
don't know if this means anything, but...
tradition; MU is a good story and we are usually in the top 10-15 in overall national attendance, turn out more than our fair share of nba players
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on December 22, 2015, 11:02:54 AM
Are we the only fan base that looks at an article that is 95% positive and obsesses over the 5%??
Jeez we come across as a bunch of oversensitive wussies.
No to sentence one. Most fans react the same way to "outsider" views.
Nonetheless, yes to sentence two.
Quote from: warriorchick on December 22, 2015, 10:01:03 PM
In contrast, Foxsports posted a highlight of Wally's dunk today, with a title that disses Chicago State to boot:
http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/story/marquette-golden-eagles-wally-ellenson-putback-dunk-against-chicago-state-cougars-122215
What a great call by Homer as Wally slams the put-back...."he doesn't jump, he flies!"
Quote from: LloydsLegs on December 24, 2015, 06:55:07 AM
No to sentence one. Most fans react the same way to "outsider" views.
Nonetheless, yes to sentence two.
well said Legs.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on December 22, 2015, 11:02:54 AM
Are we the only fan base that looks at an article that is 95% positive and obsesses over the 5%??
Jeez we come across as a bunch of oversensitive wussies.
i'm going to go with passionate/protective nothing wrong with sticking up for your own