Fischer 3rd in Big East "Net Points:" Ellenson near All-American last 6 games after TERRIBLE 1st 4 gamesNC State's Cat Barber is averaging 20.6 points per game - but so far Luke Fischer is better. Barber is the only player in a major conference missing more than 11 shots per game (free throws and field goals) while Fischer misses only 4.3 shots per game (a 66.3% field goal percentage for Fischer to below 40% for Barber).
The explanation of "Net Points" (Points minus mistakes) and top 1000 players
can be found here, and the more advanced
Value Add Ratings are here.
Fischer has 7.5 net points per game (14.3 - 4.3 - 2.5) and Cat has 7.3 (20.6 - 11.1 - 2.2). Once Value Add factors in level of opponents faced, rebounds, steals, assists, defense etc., Fischer's overall Value Add 5.29 and Barber's is 5.08.
As for Henry Ellenson, the last six games he has scored 17.8 points per game with just 7.3 misses per game and 1.3 turnovers which adjusts to 2.0. That would put him in the top 1% of all players with 8.5 net points per game. However, his first four games Ellenson played like a freshman. He scored 14.5 per game, but that was missing 9.5 shots per game and turning the ball over 3.8 times a game (adjusted for 5.7 in the formula) so he actually had a net negative. So it basically took him just until his 5th game to look like an All-American sophomore after four games of looking like a freshman. The future is bright.
| Points | Misses | Adj TO | Net |
|---|
| Ellenson 1st 4 | 14.5 | 9.5 | 5.7 | (0.7) |
| Ellenson last 6 | 17.8 | 7.3 | 2.0 | 8.5 |
Yet for some reason some critics do not seem to grasp that players who make a lot of mistakes hurt their team - and I constantly get criticism for a player who turns the ball over a lot and hits less than 40% of his shots is not in my top 100 for putting up a lot of positive stats.
The best total in the country is Grayson Allen, Duke's point guard who is averaging 21.4 points per game, minus just 7.3 missed shots per game and 1.7 adjusted turnovers per game. He has totaled 124 "Points minus Mistakes: or 12.4 per game.
The following starts with the top 10 players nationally, then the top 20 Big East players, the top 10 players in the other seven best conferences and finally the 10 best of the rest from other conferences.
| Rnk | Name | Pos | Team | Pts | Misses | Adj TO | PPG-Mist | Pts-Mist | VA |
|---|
| NA | Average Player | All | All | 6.6 | 3.7 | 1.6 | 1.4 | 11.3 | 1.3 |
| Rnk | Top 10 National Players | Pos | Team | Pts | Misses | Adj TO | PPG-Mist | Pts-Mist | VA |
| 1 | Allen, Grayson 3 | PG | Duke | 21.4 | 7.3 | 1.7 | 12.4 | 124 | 10.5 |
| 2 | Walker, David 4 | SG | Northeastern | 23.1 | 7.1 | 3.3 | 12.7 | 114 | 9.6 |
| 3 | Bradds, Evan 35 | C | Belmont | 19.4 | 4.5 | 3.7 | 11.2 | 112 | 7.7 |
| 4 | Uthoff, Jarrod 20 | PF | Iowa | 19.6 | 7.4 | 1.5 | 10.7 | 107 | 9.2 |
| 5 | Robinson, Justin 12 | PG | Monmouth | 20.4 | 7.9 | 1.9 | 10.6 | 106 | 9.2 |
| 6 | Gibbs, Jack 12 | PG | Davidson | 27.8 | 8.7 | 2.0 | 17.2 | 103 | 8.1 |
| 7 | Moody, Stefan 42 | PG | Mississippi | 24.1 | 10.9 | 3.0 | 10.2 | 102 | 6.0 |
| 8 | Ware, Gavin 20 | PF | Mississippi St. | 19.0 | 4.4 | 2.0 | 12.7 | 101 | 8.8 |
| 9 | Poeltl, Jakob 42 | C | Utah | 20.1 | 6.0 | 3.2 | 10.9 | 98 | 9.9 |
| 10 | Emegano, Obi 15 | SG | Oral Roberts | 25.3 | 10.8 | 3.7 | 10.9 | 98 | 6.1 |
| Rnk | Big East Top 20 Players | Pos | Team | Pts | Misses | Adj TO | PPG-Mist | Pts-Mist | VA |
| 1 | Dunham, Kellen 24 | SF | Butler | 19.1 | 6.7 | 2.5 | 9.9 | 89 | 4.6 |
| 2 | Bentil, Ben 0 | C | Providence | 17.7 | 8.0 | 2.5 | 7.2 | 80 | 5.4 |
| 3 | Fischer, Luke 40 | C | Marquette | 14.3 | 4.3 | 2.5 | 7.5 | 75 | 5.3 |
| 4 | Smith-Rivera, D'Vauntes 4 | PG | Georgetown | 16.2 | 7.9 | 1.7 | 6.6 | 66 | 5.7 |
| 5 | Groselle, Geoffrey 41 | C | Creighton | 10.7 | 3.2 | 1.2 | 6.3 | 63 | 5.1 |
| 6 | Chrabascz, Andrew 45 | PF | Butler | 12.3 | 4.6 | 0.8 | 6.9 | 62 | 5.8 |
| 7 | Davis, Myles 15 | PG | Xavier | 11.7 | 4.6 | 1.0 | 6.1 | 61 | 4.7 |
| 8 | Zierden, Isaiah 21 | SG | Creighton | 12.0 | 5.0 | 0.9 | 6.1 | 61 | 5.8 |
| 9 | Arcidiacono, Ryan 15 | PG | Villanova | 12.3 | 4.6 | 1.0 | 6.7 | 61 | 7.5 |
| 10 | Hart, Josh 3 | C | Villanova | 15.0 | 6.7 | 1.8 | 6.5 | 59 | 7.8 |
| 11 | Martin, Kelan 30 | C | Butler | 14.8 | 5.2 | 3.2 | 6.4 | 57 | 4.3 |
| 12 | Henry, Myke 4 | C | DePaul | 13.2 | 3.7 | 3.8 | 5.7 | 57 | 4.1 |
| 13 | Garrett, Billy 5 | PG | DePaul | 14.2 | 6.5 | 2.1 | 5.6 | 56 | 2.8 |
| 14 | Dunn, Kris 3 | PG | Providence | 16.8 | 8.9 | 2.7 | 5.2 | 52 | 7.8 |
| 15 | Thomas, Khyri 2 | SG | Creighton | 10.8 | 3.5 | 2.2 | 5.1 | 51 | 3.3 |
| 16 | Farr, James 2 | C | Xavier | 10.0 | 4.0 | 1.1 | 4.9 | 49 | 5.9 |
| 17 | Ellenson, Henry 13 | C | Marquette | 16.5 | 8.2 | 3.4 | 4.9 | 49 | 3.4 |
| 18 | Bullock, Rodney 5 | C | Providence | 13.7 | 6.4 | 2.9 | 4.4 | 49 | 4.4 |
| 19 | Bluiett, Trevon 5 | PF | Xavier | 14.6 | 7.2 | 2.6 | 4.8 | 48 | 4.9 |
| 20 | Wideman, Tyler 4 | PF | Butler | 10.0 | 3.2 | 1.5 | 5.3 | 47 | 5.7 |
| Rnk | A10 Top 10 Players | Pos | Team | Pts | Misses | Adj TO | PPG-Mist | Pts-Mist | VA |
| 1 | Allen, Terry 15 | C | Richmond | 20.6 | 8.2 | 3.1 | 9.3 | 83 | 8.7 |
| 2 | Colter, Derrick 1 | PG | Duquesne | 19.0 | 8.2 | 2.0 | 8.8 | 79 | 3.4 |
| 3 | Johnson, Melvin 32 | SG | VCU | 19.6 | 9.4 | 1.4 | 8.7 | 79 | 6.5 |
| 4 | Thomas, Mandell 23 | SG | Fordham | 19.5 | 8.3 | 1.5 | 9.8 | 78 | 6.2 |
| 5 | Price, Jordan 21 | SF | La Salle | 25.4 | 10.1 | 4.9 | 10.4 | 73 | 5.6 |
| 6 | Mason, Micah 22 | PG | Duquesne | 16.3 | 6.7 | 1.7 | 8.0 | 72 | 4.6 |
| 7 | Cavanaugh, Tyler 34 | C | George Washington | 16.1 | 5.8 | 3.5 | 6.8 | 68 | 5.5 |
| 8 | Hinds, Jabarie 5 | PG | Massachusetts | 16.4 | 7.1 | 1.9 | 7.4 | 67 | 6.7 |
| 9 | Cline, TJ 10 | PG | Richmond | 15.0 | 6.2 | 1.5 | 7.2 | 65 | 4.6 |
| 10 | Rhoomes, Ryan 30 | PF | Fordham | 14.1 | 3.8 | 2.4 | 7.9 | 63 | 4.4 |
| Rnk | ACC Top 10 Players | Pos | Team | Pts | Misses | Adj TO | PPG-Mist | Pts-Mist | VA |
| 1 | McClellan, Sheldon 10 | SF | Miami FL | 16.8 | 4.3 | 1.8 | 10.7 | 96 | 7.6 |
| 2 | Gbinije, Michael 0 | PG | Syracuse | 19.8 | 7.6 | 2.6 | 9.6 | 96 | 10.2 |
| 3 | Blossomgame, Jaron 5 | C | Clemson | 16.3 | 5.9 | 1.7 | 8.7 | 87 | 6.4 |
| 4 | Jackson, Demetrius 11 | PG | Notre Dame | 17.8 | 6.3 | 1.9 | 9.5 | 86 | 7.6 |
| 5 | Lee, Damion 0 | SF | Louisville | 18.8 | 6.0 | 2.2 | 10.5 | 84 | 8.9 |
| 6 | Beasley, Malik 5 | SG | Florida St. | 18.3 | 6.1 | 2.2 | 9.9 | 80 | 6.2 |
| 7 | Artis, Jamel 1 | PG | Pittsburgh | 16.3 | 4.6 | 1.8 | 9.8 | 79 | 4.8 |
| 8 | Young, Michael 2 | SG | Pittsburgh | 17.6 | 4.6 | 3.4 | 9.6 | 77 | 7.0 |
| 9 | Brogdon, Malcolm 15 | PG | Virginia | 16.9 | 7.6 | 1.4 | 8.0 | 72 | 6.9 |
| 10 | Johnson, Brice 11 | C | North Carolina | 13.4 | 4.0 | 1.5 | 7.9 | 71 | 7.2 |
| Rnk | American Top 10 Players | Pos | Team | Pts | Misses | Adj TO | PPG-Mist | Pts-Mist | VA |
| 1 | Miller, Shonn 32 | PF | Connecticut | 12.0 | 3.8 | 0.9 | 7.3 | 66 | 6.3 |
| 2 | Woodard, James 10 | SG | Tulsa | 16.9 | 7.3 | 3.2 | 6.4 | 64 | 4.7 |
| 3 | Gray, Rob 2 | SG | Houston | 19.6 | 8.1 | 2.6 | 8.8 | 62 | 4.5 |
| 4 | Clark, Gary 11 | C | Cincinnati | 9.7 | 2.7 | 2.0 | 5.0 | 55 | 6.7 |
| 5 | Cobb, Farad 21 | SG | Cincinnati | 11.7 | 5.5 | 1.6 | 4.6 | 50 | 3.3 |
| 6 | Harrison, Shaquille 3 | SF | Tulsa | 18.8 | 10.6 | 3.2 | 5.0 | 50 | 4.8 |
| 7 | Pollard, Devonta 24 | C | Houston | 14.9 | 5.7 | 2.2 | 7.0 | 49 | 4.5 |
| 8 | Johnson, Ronnie 3 | PG | Houston | 12.7 | 4.4 | 1.4 | 6.9 | 48 | 4.4 |
| 9 | Tyson, BJ 21 | C | East Carolina | 14.2 | 6.6 | 3.0 | 4.6 | 46 | 3.0 |
| 10 | Enechionyia, Obi 0 | PF | Temple | 11.6 | 4.8 | 1.4 | 5.4 | 43 | 3.1 |
| Rnk | Big Ten Top 10 Players | Pos | Team | Pts | Misses | Adj TO | PPG-Mist | Pts-Mist | VA |
| 1 | Robinson, Duncan 22 | PF | Michigan | 13.6 | 3.1 | 1.0 | 9.5 | 95 | 7.0 |
| 2 | Ferrell, Yogi 11 | PG | Indiana | 16.8 | 6.5 | 2.0 | 8.3 | 92 | 8.5 |
| 3 | King, Joey 24 | PF | Minnesota | 14.8 | 4.6 | 1.5 | 8.7 | 87 | 5.4 |
| 4 | Haas, Isaac 44 | C | Purdue | 13.5 | 4.2 | 1.6 | 7.8 | 86 | 5.9 |
| 5 | Trimble, Melo 2 | PG | Maryland | 15.8 | 5.0 | 2.6 | 8.2 | 82 | 7.9 |
| 6 | LeVert, Caris 23 | PG | Michigan | 16.9 | 7.2 | 1.7 | 8.0 | 80 | 8.1 |
| 7 | White, Andrew 3 | PF | Nebraska | 16.7 | 6.4 | 3.4 | 7.0 | 76 | 5.0 |
| 8 | Valentine, Denzel 45 | SG | Michigan St. | 18.6 | 8.1 | 3.7 | 6.8 | 75 | 9.8 |
| 9 | Blackmon, James 1 | SF | Indiana | 16.0 | 6.2 | 3.2 | 6.6 | 73 | 5.4 |
| 10 | Forbes, Bryn 5 | SG | Michigan St. | 12.7 | 4.6 | 1.8 | 6.3 | 70 | 3.0 |
| Rnk | Big 12 Top 10 Players | Pos | Team | Pts | Misses | Adj TO | PPG-Mist | Pts-Mist | VA |
| 1 | Hield, Buddy 24 | SG | Oklahoma | 22.1 | 8.4 | 2.3 | 11.4 | 80 | 9.6 |
| 2 | Niang, Georges 31 | PF | Iowa St. | 17.4 | 6.3 | 2.7 | 8.4 | 75 | 6.0 |
| 3 | Brodziansky, Vladimir 10 | C | TCU | 14.4 | 4.0 | 2.5 | 7.9 | 71 | 5.3 |
| 4 | Selden, Wayne 1 | SG | Kansas | 16.4 | 5.4 | 2.4 | 8.6 | 69 | 5.9 |
| 5 | Morris, Monte 11 | PG | Iowa St. | 15.1 | 6.1 | 1.4 | 7.6 | 68 | 7.5 |
| 6 | Felix, Javan 3 | PG | Texas | 11.0 | 3.6 | 0.9 | 6.5 | 65 | 5.5 |
| 7 | Gathers, Rico 2 | C | Baylor | 15.1 | 5.4 | 1.8 | 7.9 | 64 | 7.8 |
| 8 | Williams, Devin 41 | C | West Virginia | 17.0 | 6.0 | 4.0 | 7.0 | 63 | 5.7 |
| 9 | McKay, Jameel 1 | C | Iowa St. | 15.0 | 5.9 | 2.6 | 6.5 | 59 | 5.6 |
| 10 | Ellis, Perry 34 | PF | Kansas | 14.8 | 6.1 | 1.5 | 7.1 | 57 | 4.7 |
| Rnk | Pac 12 Top 10 Players | Pos | Team | Pts | Misses | Adj TO | PPG-Mist | Pts-Mist | VA |
| 1 | Scott, Josh 40 | C | Colorado | 18.0 | 5.1 | 2.0 | 10.9 | 87 | 8.5 |
| 2 | Andrews, Andrew 12 | PG | Washington | 21.0 | 9.6 | 2.1 | 9.4 | 84 | 8.0 |
| 3 | Welsh, Thomas 40 | PF | UCLA | 12.8 | 4.1 | 1.2 | 7.5 | 75 | 5.0 |
| 4 | Alford, Bryce 20 | PG | UCLA | 16.9 | 8.1 | 2.5 | 6.4 | 70 | 4.3 |
| 5 | Rabb, Ivan 1 | PF | California | 12.7 | 3.5 | 2.6 | 6.6 | 66 | 6.2 |
| 6 | Loveridge, Jordan 21 | SF | Utah | 15.0 | 5.9 | 1.9 | 7.2 | 65 | 5.0 |
| 7 | Trier, Allonzo 11 | SG | Arizona | 13.2 | 4.4 | 2.6 | 6.2 | 62 | 2.8 |
| 8 | King, George 24 | SF | Colorado | 17.3 | 6.6 | 3.0 | 7.7 | 61 | 3.1 |
| 9 | Hawkinson, Josh 24 | C | Washington St. | 16.4 | 4.9 | 2.8 | 8.7 | 61 | 6.6 |
| 10 | Anderson, Ryan 12 | C | Arizona | 15.6 | 6.4 | 2.5 | 6.6 | 60 | 5.6 |
| Rnk | Pac 12 Top 10 Players | Pos | Team | Pts | Misses | Adj TO | PPG-Mist | Pts-Mist | VA |
| 1 | Punter, Kevin 0 | PG | Tennessee | 22.9 | 8.8 | 2.5 | 11.6 | 93 | 8.3 |
| 2 | Hannahs, Dusty 3 | SG | Arkansas | 18.6 | 6.3 | 2.0 | 10.3 | 92 | 3.9 |
| 3 | Bell, Anthlon 5 | SG | Arkansas | 16.9 | 7.6 | 1.2 | 8.2 | 74 | 2.7 |
| 4 | Baldwin, Wade 4 | PG | Vanderbilt | 15.3 | 5.1 | 2.5 | 7.7 | 69 | 6.2 |
| 5 | Kacinas, Mindaugas 25 | PF | South Carolina | 13.3 | 4.2 | 1.6 | 7.5 | 67 | 4.4 |
| 6 | Canty, Kareem 1 | PG | Auburn | 19.3 | 8.3 | 1.6 | 9.4 | 66 | 5.1 |
| 7 | Simmons, Ben 25 | SF | LSU | 19.0 | 7.5 | 3.3 | 8.2 | 65 | 11.3 |
| 8 | Chatkevicius, Laimonas 14 | C | South Carolina | 13.0 | 4.9 | 1.5 | 6.6 | 60 | 4.1 |
| 9 | Davis, Tyler 34 | C | Texas A&M | 11.4 | 2.8 | 2.7 | 5.9 | 59 | 6.1 |
| 10 | Kingsley, Moses 33 | C | Arkansas | 15.2 | 6.3 | 2.5 | 6.4 | 58 | 6.9 |
| Rnk | Top 10 Players All Other Conferences | Pos | Team | Pts | Misses | Adj TO | PPG-Mist | Pts-Mist | VA |
| 1 | Felder, Kahlil 20 | PG | Oakland | 24.6 | 10.4 | 3.4 | 10.7 | 96 | 7.7 |
| 2 | Daniel, James 11 | PG | Howard | 29.4 | 13.8 | 3.7 | 11.9 | 95 | 6.2 |
| 3 | Beane, Anthony 25 | SG | Southern Illinois | 20.5 | 8.3 | 3.4 | 8.9 | 98 | 3.4 |
| 4 | Timmer, Reed 12 | PG | Drake | 19.0 | 6.8 | 2.6 | 9.6 | 86 | 3.3 |
| 5 | Balentine, DJ 31 | PG | Evansville | 21.9 | 9.8 | 2.7 | 9.4 | 85 | 2.2 |
| 6 | Adams, Josh 14 | PG | Wyoming | 24.4 | 9.4 | 3.1 | 11.9 | 95 | 8.3 |
| 7 | Reischel, Jarelle 30 | C | Eastern Kentucky | 19.3 | 6.3 | 5.1 | 7.9 | 87 | 7.2 |
| 8 | Engesser, Nate 33 | SG | Denver | 15.9 | 4.1 | 2.1 | 9.7 | 97 | 4.8 |
| 9 | Evans, Mo 0 | PG | IPFW | 17.2 | 6.7 | 2.2 | 8.3 | 91 | 5.2 |
| 10 | White, Jake 43 | PF | Nebraska Omaha | 16.2 | 4.7 | 1.9 | 9.6 | 87 | 4.1 |
Source: Fischer 3rd in Big East "Net Points:" Ellenson near All-American last 6 games after TERRIBLE 1st 4 games (http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2015/12/fischer-3rd-in-big-east-net-points.html)
Interesting that two of our losses come against team with a player in the top 5 nationally.
Are they that good or did we "help" them with our poor play? :o
Good point - but with 10 games in even one poor early defensive on our part they would probably be up there anyway - but I will go ba ck and do the math
This is interesting stuff. I don't know how much value it has now with all the cupcakes that we played (and that other top teams played).
But once we are well into conference season where teams know each other and are well scouted, this should give some real insight.
Hopefully, you will give us more info once we are into the BE portion of the schedule.
You make a very good point - the Value Add equations calculate the opposing defense and offense faced in every game (thus MU players are held down just like the team RPI is held down). This is a simple equation that at least identifies ball hogs with high points per game and players like Ellenson who have made huge improvements even though the ppg is not that much higher.