Let's start this party. I am going to kick off the buzz-kill part of the predictions. I think the Kohl hole wins. First true road game for this team will be in a hellhole. I think the young guys are going to go in there, get in foul trouble, fall behind and struggle to not get rolled, a la Iowa II. Bucky 67- MU 52.
With :25 on the clock and down 1, we go inside to Fishy who gets fouled and makes both. Wis has a chance to win and misses the shot and gets not one, but two offensive rebounds and misses both of those shots. It will be the most maddening possession of the season but MU steals a W.
69-68.
I like yours much better.
Up 8 with 3:00 to go we show our young side and wind up down 2 with :20. JJJ drives the lane and kicks to HE for the "NOOOO not a 3!!!!!......YES!" one point victory. 71-70
#noredforOwen
8-10 point loss.
74-70 Rodents
Bucky 75 MU 71. Scoop melts down after Bucky makes 90% of their FTs and Marquette makes 65%. Debates break out on the importance of hitting FTs. Jay Bee laughs at everybody involved.
Don't like the prediction but its what my guy is telling me. I will say that my prediction preseason would have been a much bigger loss so I think we are trending in the right direction. The game is winnable. We just need some luck....and Nigel Hayes to pick up three fouls in the first half.
Would be very surprised if we lost by 10+ but would also be surprised if we win.
I'll go 68-62 Wisconsin
1. Wojo rolls out a starting lineup made up of all Wisconsin kids just so the PA announcer in the Kohl hole has to publicly recognize all our in-state commitments (followed by at least 14,000 of those in attendance whispering to each other that Bo cooled on all of them and none of them could get into the Harvard of the Midwest).
2. Bo Ryan goes ballistic when he realizes the foul differential in the first half is ONLY 3-1 in favor of the Badgers.
3. Many in Vegas watch the final minute with intensity as they bet the over on UW flops at +/- 36.5 and the number is at 36 with Fishy backing in to the basket.
4. A fight breaks out in the stands when someone suggests Henry Ellenson has a higher upside than Frank Kaminski.
5. Unfortunately, in all seriousness, UW somehow finds its 3 point touch (which is the key to this game...if they hit them they win, if they are cold, they lose), the Kohl/Bo Ryan advantage is too much to overcome for a young team and although a valiant effort, we lose by 5 in the end....giving annoying UW-Stout graduates across the State bragging rights for another year...but, giving us a glimpse that our program is on the rise with Wojo and UW will decline under Bo/maybe Bo/maybe somebody else over the next 5 years and balance will be restored in the force.
First true road game for the young Warriors. Kohl is very though environment. Hopefully we can keep it close but Wisconsin wins this game.
77-71 UW. Some home cookin gets Luke in foul trouble early.
UW, 81-68.
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More of being hopeful of what I would love to see than a prediction, but:
Duane Wilson gets out of his shooting funk to go 7-10 from 3 and drop 30 pts and 5 steals on route to an easy 12 point MU victory.
For good measure HE adds 22 and 10.
Quote from: forgetful on December 09, 2015, 01:14:22 PM
More of being hopeful of what I would love to see than a prediction, but:
Duane Wilson gets out of his shooting funk to go 7-10 from 3 and drop 30 pts and 5 steals on route to an easy 12 point MU victory.
For good measure HE adds 22 and 10.
When's the last time somebody scored 30 or more points against the Badgers? Did Curry even do it in the NCAA Tournament?
Bo isn't going to let a "rental player" come in and outshine his star junior. Look for Hank to get early foul trouble and have the worst game of his career so far.
Listen... I think Duane and Luke will take this game personally. I think Duane will come off that bench like a man on a mission... and go 2-7 from 3 because his energy will be too high... HE, The engine and Haanif will be sweating freshman bullets as it's the most hostile crowd they have ever been at.
Unfortunately I think we lose by 8 unless we can get fischer and HE going early. I really hope WOJO has loud music and students at practices this week throwing eggs at the players to get them used to the intensity and the diversity they will experience.
Its been awhile since we have had a last second, heart-wrenching loss. So I guess I'll go with that.
Don't see this team challenging UW on their court yet. UW by 15.
Philly tough Carter shows how tough he really is, and in a brutally hostile environment, runs circles around the Wisconsin guards, who look like they're running in mud. He finishes the game with ten points and ten assists.
Bo Ryan's brilliant tactic of zone coverage, with quick doubles on the bigs, completely backfires as Sandy goes off for 24 points (6 of 10 three pointers).
Duane plays like a veteran, with smart plays, calming advice, and a clutch three down the stretch.
Henry and Luke own the boards, both with double doubles.
As the Marquette players walk off the court in victory, I hear a badger fan sigh, and say: "I wish Diamond Stone had the grades to come here. We could have used him."
Good God. Between the Nattering Nabobs of Negativism and the Rodent Trolls, I'd think I was on a Rodent Board, if I did not know better.
Let's be realistic. The rodent hasn't taken any steroids lately (we think) nor has he trolled the NBA for incremental talent. For the rodent, this is another game that's less important than the B1G season. The rodent has some series talent losses from last year and his reload was mediocre.
Admittedly, the rodent is at home, in his garbage pit over in the People's Republic.
For us, we're more talented. The Iowa game may have been the best thing that ever happened to us in that we learned what would happen if we did not stay in our game, play defense and handle the ball effectively. The rodent may be a bit better than Iowa but we're a lot better than we were that night. Our team is coming together -- we're playing within ourselves.
Yes, we filled up on cupcakes, but the cupcakes were things we needed to find our rhythm. Marquette needs this game for its tournament resume. Our guys have a chip on their shoulder and the cheeseheads (the Ellensons and the Fish especially) would like nothing better than to turn the rodent into road kill. This game means something for us (especially since Notre Dame won't play us).
We're going to have to play the best 40 minutes of basketball we've played in more than two years. But Wojo and the team are up to the task.
We win 77-73. Now, if Wojo flips off the Rodent crowd........ (like Al did to old man Hughes!)... my checkbook really comes out!!!!!!!
Quote from: wadesworld on December 09, 2015, 01:16:09 PM
When's the last time somebody scored 30 or more points against the Badgers? Did Curry even do it in the NCAA Tournament?
Bo isn't going to let a "rental player" come in and outshine his star junior. Look for Hank to get early foul trouble and have the worst game of his career so far.
That's what I actually think will happen. So I agree. I just really want to see D.Will (who has been maligned by the Badger posters), do something unbelievable.
Quote from: fjm on December 09, 2015, 01:32:32 PM
Listen... I think Duane and Luke get them used to the intensity and the diversity they will experience.
I think you mean adversity, not diversity, unless it's photoshopped, the badger way.
Probably a double digit loss.
Koenig, Hayes, Brown, Showalter been to two Final Fours and especially with Koenig. Going up against true MU freshman PG, gonna be tough for MU.
Hayes gets Henry/Luke in foul trouble and that would be extremely problematic.
Can never tell though, maybe some MU player goes off like Sandy did last game and changes everything.
If we can get Luke the ball in good spots he can dominate this game. And Haanif and Wilson could both go to town on Showalter if they stay within themselves. Those are 2 spots we'll have a very big advantage. But Koenig is very good, they're at home, and we'll be playing 8 on 5 all game.
Marquette wins if: They control the ball, they take advantage of Showalter being on the court, Luke breaks Vito Brown in half, and Hayes plays like the Serge Ibaka of college basketball and instead of dominating down low like he should/can, he roams around and shoots 3 pointers at a 30% clip. Here's a vocab word for Hayes, since the media got all infatuated with his lame post game pressers: "SOFT." As in, what his game turned into between his freshman and sophomore year.
Marquette loses if: They get in foul trouble, turn the ball over, Hayes finds the post, and Wisconsin hits their jumpers.
Quote from: moomoo on December 09, 2015, 01:44:40 PM
I think you mean adversity, not diversity, unless it's photoshopped, the badger way.
I sat here for atleast 4 minutes knowing that diversity wasn't what I wanted to say... but I couldn't find the word adversity in my stupid brain... thank you for correcting me! :)
Throw five different guys at Koenig and pressure the ball full court: Carter, Haan, Du, JJJ and Sandy. MU has a low opponent free throw rate and UW is a low eFG% team, as they don't have the versatility of a year ago in the Swing. Make them burn seconds with the shortened shot clock, and take the ball out of Koenig's hands. (Something Cuse didn't do in that 2-3 zone).
All the Marquette kids have been to the Kohl and know the players well. MU has nothing to lose, but there are also scores to settle. I don't think nerves will be in play, but bad blood will be.
MU by seven.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 09, 2015, 01:58:11 PM
MU has nothing to lose, but there are also scores to settle. I don't think nerves will be in play, but bad blood will be.
I'll be particularly interested to see if Duane can channel this the right way vs. Koenig.
MU plays its best game of the season. Henry picks up two offensive fouls in the first six minutes and Luke gets his second touch foul two minutes later. UW takes one-point MU lead and turns it into 10-point deficit while both are on the bench. MU rallies on threes from Cohen and Duane to be back within three in final minutes, but UW goes 8-for-8 in FTs down the stretch and wins 73-66. Final FT totals: UW 24-of-29, MU 5-of-11.
I think history will repeat itself.....
Last time we won in Madison, we had a hot shot freshman guard step up and lead us to victory.
That scenario repeats itself on Saturday.
HEY NERS, this one's for you!!!!! :o
MU is in deep foul trouble, But Sacar rides to the rescue. MU 81 to 79
and that's the name of that tune!
Happ and Brown are both foul prone, and I expect that to continue. They struggle dealing with Luke and Henry inside but it's Traci Carter that looks like the true star as he gets the passes in there to find our twin towers. Hayes and Koenig play heroically, but Wisconsin just doesn't have enough weapons or enough interior defense.
Marquette 66 - 57 Wisconsin
Marquette wins by 7. Fish and Henry dominate inside. Sandy, Haniff and Duane shoot lights out. Bucky plays slow and clumsy. Go Marquette!
Have not seen enough of the Badgers to make a prediction. That said, I do expect a very big effort from the Warriors. I like Luke and Henry a lot and think they will give teams fits moving forward. Also expect a big game from Wilson on Saturday. He looks like a different player since he was sat on the bench.
Quote from: naginiF on December 09, 2015, 12:03:52 PM
Up 8 with 3:00 to go we show our young side and wind up down 2 with :20. JJJ drives the lane and kicks to HE for the "NOOOO not a 3!!!!!......YES!" one point victory. 71-70
#noredforOwen
Love it!
Does anyone really expect Vito Brown to guard Luke or a freshman Happ to guard Henry? They could put Hayes in Henry but I don't know if Bo would risk the fouls. Nobody here has really looked at the matchup down low.
Run 2 guys at Bronson and play off Showalter. Look for a Henry Ellenson coming out party.
Just like we got rolled by Iowa, they lost to Western Illinois at home. This ain't the Madison teams of the last two years.
MU-76
That other team-70
Henry and Luke are benched at the 8 minute mark due to foul trouble.
Quote from: mubb3434 on December 09, 2015, 12:42:31 PM
77-71 UW. Some home cookin gets Luke in foul trouble early.
Nah, that never happens (http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/scores101/101356/101356342.htm) in Madison!
Quote from: wadesworld on December 09, 2015, 01:16:09 PM
When's the last time somebody scored 30 or more points against the Badgers? Did Curry even do it in the NCAA Tournament?
Joseph Young of Oregon in their second round NCAA game last year. Didn't get much help from his teammates. DJ Newbill scored 29 on them (twice!) last year, as did D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera. On the other hand, the high scorers for Northern Kentucky and Oklahoma had 8 and 10 points, respectively.
Quote from: nyg on December 09, 2015, 01:46:31 PM
Koenig, Hayes, Brown, Showalter been to two Final Fours
So I know Brown and Showalter went to two final fours, but do they really count? They combined for a grand total of 7 minutes over their three final four games...including a whooping 0 minutes in the national championship. Both of them were there but neither of them contributed anything other than an extra body on the bench.
Wisconsin goes as far as Koenig and Hayes can take them. Shut either of them down and we win the game. Of course, that is a TON to ask of a team as young as ours.
I would put Cohen on Hayes. Cohen won't shut him down but I think he will slow him down enough to keep him from killing us. Even though UW doesn't turn the ball over I would have a healthy dose of pressure defense. Make Koenig work to get the ball up the court. Give them as little time as possible to run their offense. Everyone on the floor besides Cohen should have one eye on their man and one eye on Koenig. I am perfectly willing to let Brown, Showalter, and Happ try to beat us all game. Keep constant pressure on Koenig and trust Cohen to manage Hayes. I think that's the defense that can beat Bucky. Biggest concern is foul trouble for Cohen. He has been very foul prone all season and Hayes will try to work him. If Cohen goes to the bench, I don't know who guards Hayes. Luke is too slow, the guards are too small, and Henry is too clumsy on defense. Wouldn't be surprised to see a dose of Sacar here. He seems like a guy who could really frustrate an athletic wing like Hayes.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 09, 2015, 12:08:24 PM
Bucky 75 MU 71. Scoop melts down after Bucky makes 90% of their FTs and Marquette makes 65%. Debates break out on the importance of hitting FTs. Jay Bee laughs at everybody involved.
Don't like the prediction but its what my guy is telling me. I will say that my prediction preseason would have been a much bigger loss so I think we are trending in the right direction. The game is winnable. We just need some luck....and Nigel Hayes to pick up three fouls in the first half.
Are you saying the game is being thrown?????
Think it will be a close game. As long as the stiff (brown) or the hack (showalter) don't go off for career days I will be content.
Remember that a lot of our guys have a history at the Kohl Hole. I know it was in high school, and the atmosphere was exactly the same, but it was still a championship atmosphere. Henry, Duane, and Luke each played in 3, 4, and 4 games respectively there.
Henry averaged 22.7
Duane averaged 22.8
Luke averaged 19.5
With a decently familiar setting, one or more of these guys gets nostalgic and puts up big numbers Saturday. Book it.
Quote from: mu03eng on December 09, 2015, 02:29:12 PM
Love it!
Also, listened to it in the basement. albeit quarantined from the family with the flu and not in Mom's, but still........
*the prophecy is coming true*
We need to work it into our bigs on offense and they need to stay out of foul trouble on defense. Henry should focus on short and mid range shots. I think he is much more effective when he does that. A big game from Duane is mandatory. Hopefully Sandy can stay hot from long range. Traci needs to keep doing what he is doing and hopefully JJJ will get a few transitions and nice drives in. Obviously Hayes and Koenig are very strong players but the rest of their time is nothing special. If we play tough nose defense we can stay in the game.
Have you morons learned nothing over MU's past 6 games?
MU is going to jump out to a 22-0 lead and can coast for the final 35 minutes.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on December 09, 2015, 07:20:28 PM
Have you morons learned nothing over MU's past 6 games?
MU is going to jump out to a 22-0 lead and can coast for the final 35 minutes.
You going to the game?
Quote from: real chili 83 on December 09, 2015, 07:21:39 PM
You going to the game?
No. Never been to a Badger game, never will.
cons: First road game, first game playing with whatever off brand basketball teams have to play with at the kohl center, they have 4 guys that can stretch the floor (defensively we struggle when ellenson or Fischer have to guard on the perimeter), whenever two clashing styles (uptempo vs no tempo) feel like the no tempo is where the game settles 90% of the time, no stats to back that up, experience pgs vs freshman pgs scare me
Pros: Won't have to worry about zone defense, don't think happ or brown are good enough defensively to stop the twin towers, badgers have nonexistent depth, I'm pretty sure that practice gear will be given back if they win this game and those white tshirts have to be odorfying
Final score Marquette 67- Bucky 63
Duane is either going to be locked in, go nuts, and carry us to a statement W, or he is going to press too hard, shoot 2 for 13, and we lose by 15-20. There will be no in-between.
Marquette wins its 7th straight
Warriors kick their mother fookin' asses, ai na?
I don't see why the focus is on Duane - I guess because he's NOT a freshman.
IMHO, Fisher needs to have a strong game and draw about 10 fouls.
Hannif and JJJ need to attack the basket
Sandy needs to guard an outstanding player in Hayes, give up about 3-4 inches and 30 pounds, not foul, and hold him to 10 and 8 while getting 2 steals. Wally needs to fill in for Sandy for 3 minutes in each half.
Carter needs to feed the post by penetrating and dishing.
Henry needs to finish against big strong guys. No offensive fouls. I guarantee you Bo has spent the last 2 weeks teaching guys how to step in front of henry to draw O-Fouls.
Duane needs to relax and fit in.
This game is won/lost inside, and probably based on fouls not points given the way officiating has been so far this year. I like our chances.
The fact that UWM is tied with Becky at 62 with south of 2 minutes to play makes me think we should be able to win handily, but that's never the case. If UWM beats 'em, they will be a little more motivated out of embarrassment.
If Fish and HE-man stay out of foul trouble, I think we will be ok.
Either way, I have to think UW may be doubting themselves a little bit after this one. I wouldn't mind it if they had their confidence shaken a bit. Granted, we aren't coming off a very good performance.
If Hayes and Koenig are off, their offense is pretty tough to watch.
Prediction? Pain!
I pity the tools!!
I'll be bummed if Milwaukee beat Bucky and we fall short. That being said, 85-72 Warriors
I think this team is trending in the right direct, and has more talent then the Badgers. We have fewer match up issues than Bucky does on the defensive end so if we can avoid foul trouble we should be good to go.
I say 78-67 Marquette and #noredforowen
Is their bench really that shallow? 18 TOTAL bench minutes last night? Might we be able to run these guys down the court, wear them out, and pull away in the end?
I agree with others that staying out of foul trouble for both HE and Luke will be key. I guess I'll predict a 67-62 win. What I'd really like to see here is a solid scouting report. I've not followed Bucky that closely this year. Does Sandy cover Hayes? Strengths/weaknesses of their big men? Stuff like that.
03eng, get on it. You've got a lot riding on it. #noredforowen
Quote from: mu03eng on December 10, 2015, 07:52:13 AM
I think this team is trending in the right direct, and has more talent then the Badgers. We have fewer match up issues than Bucky does on the defensive end so if we can avoid foul trouble we should be good to go.
I say 78-67 Marquette and #noredforowen
I think it's just the opposite.
I don't see anybody on our team who can even come close to guarding Koenig, and same with Hayes. Sandy is far too small for Hayes, and Hank will get blown by over and over. The only real matchup nightmare for them is Fischer. Hayes has the size and athleticism (plus will get the calls) to keep Hank in check.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 10, 2015, 09:02:06 AM
I think it's just the opposite.
I don't see anybody on our team who can even come close to guarding Koenig, and same with Hayes. Sandy is far too small for Hayes, and Hank will get blown by over and over. The only real matchup nightmare for them is Fischer. Hayes has the size and athleticism (plus will get the calls) to keep Hank in check.
Definitely right about Koenig. Not one of our guys can guard him well. I think Sandy can manage Hayes. Hayes will get his but as we saw last night, Hayes can go off but if Koenig is out of rhythm, the Badgers will still lose. We need to do whatever we can to disrupt Koenig. Send two guys. I don't really care if Brown or Showalter get open looks.
Hayes can guard Henry for sure but anytime if you have a 6"11 guy go against a 6"8 guy, it is very easy for the 6"8 guy to pick up fouls. Hayes is a smart defender, I think he'll avoid foul trouble but its something to watch.
Fischer should abuse Happ. He's not a three point shooter either (when's the last time the Badgers started a center that couldn't shoot the three?) so Luke won't have to wander out to the perimeter. If Happ has to spend any time on the bench Bo is going to have to use 6"8 forwards to guard two 6"11 bigs.
This will be an interesting game. I'm still expecting a loss, only because its at the Kohl hole. But a poor shooting team without size is the kind of team I think we can beat.
Bo focuses on stopping Marquette's local players (who he cooled on anyway). Everybody thinks that's the key to winning...but Traci and Haanif lead MU to a surprisingly comfortable 8-point win.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 10, 2015, 09:02:06 AM
I think it's just the opposite.
I don't see anybody on our team who can even come close to guarding Koenig, and same with Hayes. Sandy is far too small for Hayes, and Hank will get blown by over and over. The only real matchup nightmare for them is Fischer. Hayes has the size and athleticism (plus will get the calls) to keep Hank in check.
I think MU is playing zone for a good portion of this game.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on December 10, 2015, 09:33:34 AM
I think MU is playing zone for a good portion of this game.
I would certainly not be opposed to that. If we do go to the zone often we have to make sure we are rebounding the basketball. Second chance points will be a key in this game.
I do think going to a zone may make it even easier for Wisconsin to slow the pace down, and that's what Wisconsin should want to do. If the game is in the 50s or 60s I don't see MU winning.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on December 10, 2015, 09:33:34 AM
I think MU is playing zone for a good portion of this game.
I agree we play some zone, and I think we actually bust out a 1-3-1 with Duane/Haanif on top and Traci running the baseline.
When we go man, it will be interesting. Sandy is going to have to guard either Hayes or Koenig, the question is who. I think I'd put Sandy on Koenig and keep him from going off as Koenig's eFG% is almost 10 points higher.
If we man up at the start, I think our defensive match-ups look like this:
Haanif -> Hayes
Traci -> Showalter
Sandy -> Koenig
Henry -> Brown
Luke - > Happ
My prediction:
MU wins 64-62, as Bo Ryan blows his stack with 3 seconds left after MU makes a three point play on a foul to an MU player. Bo goes ballistic, gets a technical and ejected while escorted off the court by two beefy State Troopers. Bo's crying continues into the presser where he criticizes the refs with so much profanity and animosity that the NCAA suspends him for 4 games for his behavior--while secretly the suspension has ben issued for losing to UWM.
Bo decides then to unretire, while 4 of his players decide to transfer, but Bo will only allow them to transfer to Grambling.
Badger fans are attacking eachother now on their fan sites. I don't ask for much but if Christmas wants to come early this year with a win on Saturday, I really want to see this epic meltdown continue.
Quote from: mu03eng on December 10, 2015, 11:02:59 AM
I agree we play some zone, and I think we actually bust out a 1-3-1 with Duane/Haanif on top and Traci running the baseline.
When we go man, it will be interesting. Sandy is going to have to guard either Hayes or Koenig, the question is who. I think I'd put Sandy on Koenig and keep him from going off as Koenig's eFG% is almost 10 points higher.
If we man up at the start, I think our defensive match-ups look like this:
Haanif -> Hayes
Traci -> Showalter
Sandy -> Koenig
Henry -> Brown
Luke - > Happ
If Haanif guards Hayes, I think he will go off for forty. No offense to Haanif, he's just not a good fit to guard Hayes. I think Sandy is the only player with a prayer of guarding Hayes well. Maybe Sacar could do a halfway decent job, not as sure about that one.
Traci -> Koenig
Haanif -> Showalter*
Henry -> Brown*
Sandy -> Hayes
Luke -> Happ*
*One eye on their man, one eye on Koenig, ready to help when necessary.
Zone makes sense because Wisconsin is a poor shooting team but like Wades said, it plays into Bucky's hands. Syracuse uses the best zone in the nation and Bucky still beat them. I think a healthy dose of 3/4 court pressure man to man is warranted. Wisconsin can and will beat the press but it will take them out of rhythm and give them no time to run their offense. If Hayes and Koenig (or any other Badger for that matter) has to try to create their own shot with time running out on the shot clock, they are going to miss way more than they make. Just keep Happ and Hayes off the offensive glass. I think throwing at zone a couple of times to change it up makes sense but I think high pressure man to man will be more effective.
The only thing I'm fairly confident about is that MU will be called for at least 3 charges and most likely 2 of them will be on Henry.
I think you will see a lot less Haanif and a lot more JJJ this game with JJJ getting Koenig.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 10, 2015, 01:00:56 PM
I think you will see a lot less Haanif and a lot more JJJ this game with JJJ getting Koenig.
I agree with this . JJJ is long , quick and athletic, that is what is required to compete with Koenig. I think JJJ is doing a good job of sticking with Wojo's prescriptions and will step up if called upon.
Prediction? They are evil and must be destroyed!
The fact is we have enough data now to know they just aren't very good.
Our top 2 guys are equal to or better to Becky's. After that it isn't close. Duane Wilson or Thomas/Iverson? It's a joke how much better we are down the line. Last night was the first time I have watched them in anticipation for Saturday. Very unimpressive
The only way I can see losing is if we are very cold; they get super hot; or the refs just steal it
Quote from: Sylvester78 on December 10, 2015, 02:28:33 PM
Our top 2 guys are equal to or better to Becky's. After that it isn't close. Duane Wilson or Thomas/Iverson? It's a joke how much better we are down the line.
I disagree with the first part. Koenig and Hayes are better than anyone on our roster imho. But you're right, after that I would take our guys everyday of the week.
Should be a good game
Quote from: Sylvester78 on December 10, 2015, 02:28:33 PM
The fact is we have enough data now to know they just aren't very good.
Our top 2 guys are equal to or better to Becky's. After that it isn't close. Duane Wilson or Thomas/Iverson? It's a joke how much better we are down the line. Last night was the first time I have watched them in anticipation for Saturday. Very unimpressive
The only way I can see losing is if we are very cold; they get super hot; or the refs just steal it
1) The refs will give Wisconsin a huge factor, there is no "if" about that.
2) Marquette is young. They could play extremely well, or they could play extremely poorly. What we saw Tuesday will look nothing like the team we see tomorrow. Did we look much better when Iowa beat us by 30 or IUPUI pushed us to overtime on our home court than UW did against UWM last night?
3) Wisconsin is young. They could play extremely well, or they could play extremely poorly. What you saw last night will look nothing like the team you see tomorrow.
4) First true road game for Marquette this season, and first true college road game for a lot of contributors on Marquette.
5) Their starting point guard, the most important position in basketball, has started in a National Title game and been a contributor on another Final Four team. Our entire team has a combined 0 NCAA Tournament games. Our stars are still learning the college game. Their stars are seasoned veterans.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 10, 2015, 02:54:42 PM1) The refs will give Wisconsin a huge factor, there is no "if" about that.
For the first time in awhile, I'm not so sure about this one. We have been much, much, much better than Wisconsin at not fouling. Even when we played on neutral courts at MSG we won the foul battles. Thus far, Bucky is much more foul prone than we have been, and I think Happ and Brown (both foul prone) will have a lot of trouble with our frontcourt.
When you look at foul tendencies and our bench, I think we would fare a lot better in a battle of attrition, and I'm just not convinced Wisconsin has the players that will get the benefit of the doubt like they did in the past, as only Hayes and Koenig are really recognizable to any of the refs that are accustomed to them.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 10, 2015, 02:53:47 PM
I disagree with the first part. Koenig and Hayes are better than anyone on our roster imho. But you're right, after that I would take our guys everyday of the week.
Should be a good game
This may be true in an individual sense, but Koenig and Hayes seem to be having a hard time adapting to their roles as team leaders for an otherwise young and inexperienced team. Both of them looked much better playing alongside Kaminsky and Dekker than they do this season, and that's clearly a result of the (lack of a good) supporting cast. On the other hand, our veterans Luke and Duane are playing with, for the most part, a much better cast of characters than they had last year. That said, I agree that either team could get hot or cold, and with the UWM loss the Badgers will be playing with some desperation. I'm thinking it's going to be a pick'em. One team, or the other, will win by a couple points.
Hayes isn't going to guard Luke while Happ is in the game. Happ is strong and is a decent shot blocker. He is their best option against Luke in the post.
UW is not a dynamic offensive team by any means but they have 2 guys that can get hot in a hurry......and they do a great job at running down their own misses. If MU can keep the rebounding battle close I like their chances. Need to play smart and not turn it over. Can they do that in the first road game of the season and the first ever for a few?
Game will in all likelihood be played at a slow pace. Can our important guys stay out of foul trouble?
Quote from: wadesworld on December 10, 2015, 09:02:06 AM
I think it's just the opposite.
I don't see anybody on our team who can even come close to guarding Koenig, and same with Hayes. Sandy is far too small for Hayes, and Hank will get blown by over and over. The only real matchup nightmare for them is Fischer. Hayes has the size and athleticism (plus will get the calls) to keep Hank in check.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 10, 2015, 03:54:32 PM
For the first time in awhile, I'm not so sure about this one. We have been much, much, much better than Wisconsin at not fouling. Even when we played on neutral courts at MSG we won the foul battles. Thus far, Bucky is much more foul prone than we have been, and I think Happ and Brown (both foul prone) will have a lot of trouble with our frontcourt.
When you look at foul tendencies and our bench, I think we would fare a lot better in a battle of attrition, and I'm just not convinced Wisconsin has the players that will get the benefit of the doubt like they did in the past, as only Hayes and Koenig are really recognizable to any of the refs that are accustomed to them.
Agree.....but Henry's left arm, and the extension there of while dribbling, is at the heart of my concern.
Becky 63, MU 61
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 11, 2015, 08:44:13 AM
Becky 63, MU 61
Anybody seen where Vegas has opened up on this game?
I would guess the O/U would be in the mid 130's, and if so, I'm not sure if I'd take that under. I think this will be a higher scoring game than Wisky's pace of play would suggest. Then again, MU usually shoots like caca at the Kohl.
Badgers open as a 9 point favorite
Quote from: MuMark on December 11, 2015, 12:03:18 PM
Badgers open as a 9 point favorite
That seems really high to me. I'd be surprised if Marquette lost by double digits.
Iowa debacle might still be in the public's head, along with Wisconsin at home.
Here is one websites opinion
http://www.rantsports.com/ncaa-basketball/2015/12/11/marquette-vs-wisconsin-college-basketball-game-preview-prediction-tv-schedule/
Our team this year is better than last year's - on paper though defense probably not as good. And Wiscy is worse. We lost by 11 last year. So I'm hopeful we can make this a game.
Go Marquette!
I am seeing the line has moved to -7 for the Badgers.
Quote from: mubb3434 on December 11, 2015, 04:29:25 PM
I am seeing the line has moved to -7 for the Badgers.
This movement does not surprise me. -6 seems about right. Badgers favored by 2-3 on a neutral court
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on December 10, 2015, 09:33:34 AM
I think MU is playing zone for a good portion of this game.
Not 1 possession of zone. Unless we get into foul trouble or have trouble staying in front of sole quick guards I think man to man is what we are going to see going forward.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 09, 2015, 12:08:24 PM
Bucky 75 MU 71. Scoop melts down after Bucky makes 90% of their FTs and Marquette makes 65%. Debates break out on the importance of hitting FTs. Jay Bee laughs at everybody involved.
Don't like the prediction but its what my guy is telling me. I will say that my prediction preseason would have been a much bigger loss so I think we are trending in the right direction. The game is winnable. We just need some luck....and Nigel Hayes to pick up three fouls in the first half.
Always glad to be wrong when it means a Marquette victory.
Quote from: MuMark on December 12, 2015, 03:11:53 PM
Not 1 possession of zone. Unless we get into foul trouble or have trouble staying in front of sole quick guards I think man to man is what we are going to see going forward.
Think of where the man defense is now compared to the beginning of the season.
Quote from: brandx on December 12, 2015, 03:51:35 PM
Think of where the man defense is now compared to the beginning of the season.
Think of it now compared to the beginning of last season.
Glad I was wrong on this one. Didn't think we had a win in our first road game of the season at the Kohl Hole. Don't trip up against the rest of the cupcakes and a 2 loss non-conference is just fine.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 12, 2015, 05:57:46 PM
Glad I was wrong on this one. Didn't think we had a win in our first road game of the season at the Kohl Hole. Don't trip up against the rest of the cupcakes and a 2 loss non-conference is just fine.
Glad I was right. If MU made a few more free throws, I would have nailed the score too.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 12, 2015, 03:52:56 PM
Think of it now compared to the beginning of last season.
How about in March vs now?
it won't be as exponentially better, but it'll be better.
Quote from: warriorchick on December 09, 2015, 12:56:23 PM
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I believe since everyone else predicted too many points for the Badgers, this projection of a 547-17 win for Marquette actually wins doesn't it :-)
Way to have faith!
Quote from: bamamarquettefan on December 13, 2015, 02:46:27 AM
I believe since everyone else predicted too many points for the Badgers, this projection of a 547-17 win for Marquette actually wins doesn't it :-)
Way to have faith!
Well, my friend, dere is a certain guy from Madison dat hates da Badgers:
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