1. Sure was nice to see one of our guys silly hot from 3.
2. MU looked awfully young for the middle 20 minutes.
3. The zone made MU passive for far too long. Eventually, they started attacking it.
4. Basically played 6 tonight. Wally? JJ? You guys need to step up.
5. MU is so much better when they work inside out. 'Paint touches'. There, I said it.
6. Henry is struggling to guard on the perimeter. Luke, however, played really good help defense tonight.
7. Must start making free throws.
8. SJS has a culture of losing. They had MU on the ropes and then folded. MU was fortunate.
9. Conversely, MU weathered the storm when they could have folded. A positive sign.
10. This is what cupcakes are for. To learn how to play different styles and learn how to win.
11. On to Bucky. Time to fire up the hate machine.
Glad to get some adversity tonight. Good to get that against teams you have more talent than so you can learn how to play under pressure for when you are playing someone with equal talent.
SJSU isn't very good, but they are certainly much better than the 2 win team they were a year ago.
I like that we rallied at the end and pulled away. SJSU has some talent so they were better than the recent cupcakes.
Cheatham, JJJ and to an extent Carter did not have good games and still won big.
Wally played few minutes, but you can see the rotation now.
MU missed four frontend one/ones. Need them all against Wisky......
Du with 14, 7 boards and 3 dimes. Good to see him have a good game. Hope he can continue against Bucky.
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on December 08, 2015, 09:11:07 PM
Du with 14, 7 boards and 3 dimes. Good to see him have a good game. Hope he can continue against Bucky.
I've only seen the final 7ish minutes so far but Duane made a lot of nice little plays in that span. Good to see some playmaker come out of him.
JJ continues to perplex me. So inconsistent. So prone to bad turnovers. I realize that his game is not a good match against a zone. Every time I think he has turned the corner, he plays a game like this. Perhaps this is what he is and will be going forward.
We are definitely more multi-dimensional this year, makes it harder to plan for us when we have multiple scoring threats. I see a team that can play at a high level, just so young...
Am I the only one who starts yelling 'No' at the TV when they start taking 3's out of rhythm? It seems clearer with this team than most that they shoot 3's better off of a ball reversal or pass out from the paint.
Quote from: tower912 on December 08, 2015, 09:42:13 PM
Am I the only one who starts yelling 'No' at the TV when they start taking 3's out of rhythm? It seems clearer with this team than most that they shoot 3's better off of a ball reversal or pass out from the paint.
You aren't the only one.
The positive: I just love the multi-pass 3s we've seen from this team. There have been a couple lately where all 5 guys touched the ball as it went around the circle to the open man. Things of beauty.
San Jose State played 9 players tonight. Only 1, Jayce Hillsman, was under 6'6. He's 6'3 and played the least minutes (10) on the team. Not going to play many teams with that size. Makes it tough on a team that relies on our inside guys to score the majority of our points.
Glad we were able to face some adversity and then pull away in the last ten minutes. It was frustrating to watch, but probably good for the team in the long run.
Quote from: tower912 on December 08, 2015, 09:42:13 PM
Am I the only one who starts yelling 'No' at the TV when they start taking 3's out of rhythm?
Am I the only one who starts yelling no when Henry takes 3s from anywhere. You don't have a good stroke from 3, you're several inches taller than anyone on the court. Go down inside. Take advantage of your height and moves. Get your 3s from "and ones". We don't need you shooting what is currently a low percentage shot and at the same time removing a potential offensive rebounder down low.
Quote from: warriorstrack on December 08, 2015, 09:37:43 PM
We are definitely more multi-dimensional this year, makes it harder to plan for us when we have multiple scoring threats. I see a team that can play at a high level, just so young...
Amen. How awesome is it to be able to see us bring in another wing that can hit some shots when the starter is in foul trouble.
Quote from: NotAnAlum on December 08, 2015, 10:16:57 PM
Am I the only one who starts yelling no when Henry takes 3s from anywhere. You don't have a good stroke from 3, you're several inches taller than anyone on the court. Go down inside. Take advantage of your height and moves. Get your 3s from "and ones". We don't need you shooting what is currently a low percentage shot and at the same time removing a potential offensive rebounder down low.
I'm a big Ellenson fan -- aren't we all -- but I do agree with Bardo, who said sometimes Ellenson gets antsy and decides he has to shoot if he's gone a few minutes without scoring.
SJS definitely is not a good team but their size made them formidable to score on for us at least.
Also while it doesnt mean much they did beat Montana(lost by 3 at zags) and San Diego(beat SDSU). So this def wasnt supposed to be a Grambling game.
Quote from: tower912 on December 08, 2015, 09:31:49 PM
JJ continues to perplex me. So inconsistent. So prone to bad turnovers. I realize that his game is not a good match against a zone. Every time I think he has turned the corner, he plays a game like this. Perhaps this is what he is and will be going forward.
I've thought a lot about this lately and this is where my mind is at.
JJ plays best with a very good ball control PG (actually does his best when paired with Carter). He seems to really respond to the pace/feeling of the game. When the PG controls the pace/tempo, he plays under control and is patient. He mostly accepts his role of spotting up in the corner or attacking the paint of side to side ball movement.
When he is paired up with a fast PG (think Duane) he feeds off the more frantic pace and seems to think he needs to press/the pressure is on him to do something. In these situations he shoots out of rhythm or tries to control the offense through himself. He is not good in this role at all at this moment.
Its tough, because he would actually probably play best if paired with Carter and Cheatham (in the role of Sandy), but we can't take Sandy out of that starting lineup. So instead he gets paired with Duane/Cheatham where he often presses.
Curious as to others take on this.
Quote from: forgetful on December 09, 2015, 12:24:07 AM
I've thought a lot about this lately and this is where my mind is at.
JJ plays best with a very good ball control PG (actually does his best when paired with Carter). He seems to really respond to the pace/feeling of the game. When the PG controls the pace/tempo, he plays under control and is patient. He mostly accepts his role of spotting up in the corner or attacking the paint of side to side ball movement.
When he is paired up with a fast PG (think Duane) he feeds off the more frantic pace and seems to think he needs to press/the pressure is on him to do something. In these situations he shoots out of rhythm or tries to control the offense through himself. He is not good in this role at all at this moment.
Its tough, because he would actually probably play best if paired with Carter and Cheatham (in the role of Sandy), but we can't take Sandy out of that starting lineup. So instead he gets paired with Duane/Cheatham where he often presses.
Curious as to others take on this.
You nailed it. It's just hard to justify Wojo changing the rotation after the last 6 games though. So far this current rotation looks ideal.
I was very pleased to see Cohen get hot. Noone deserves it more!
Was very disappointed how long it took to adjust the offense against the zone. The free throw line area was open but when Sandy was there it was tough to get the ball to him and only when Wojo moved Henry there did they get some decent movement and passes against the zone. It took about 8 minutes of game time for this adjustment. Haniif would have been another one to try on the line in the zone, but didn't see that at all.
SJS had a kid from Wisconsin who was a 4 star recruit according to ESPN.
Quote from: WarriorFan on December 09, 2015, 12:45:36 AM
I was very pleased to see Cohen get hot. Noone deserves it more!
Was very disappointed how long it took to adjust the offense against the zone. The free throw line area was open but when Sandy was there it was tough to get the ball to him and only when Wojo moved Henry there did they get some decent movement and passes against the zone. It took about 8 minutes of game time for this adjustment. Haniif would have been another one to try on the line in the zone, but didn't see that at all.
There were times that Luke was going to the foul line and Henry was going to the block. I was annoyed, as I have yet to see Luke turn and shoot that 12-15 ft jumper. Against a 2-3, IMO, it should be Henry at the foul line and Luke on the block. Haanif had a bad night, so I am not worried about how he did at the block. Again, IMO, that is where JJ would be most effective against the zone. If Henry insists on staying outside, have JJ flash to the foul line area and attack when he receives the pass.
Quote from: tower912 on December 08, 2015, 08:58:57 PM
1. Sure was nice to see one of our guys silly hot from 3.
2. MU looked awfully young for the middle 20 minutes.
3. The zone made MU passive for far too long. Eventually, they started attacking it.
4. Basically played 6 tonight. Wally? JJ? You guys need to step up.
5. MU is so much better when they work inside out. 'Paint touches'. There, I said it.
6. Henry is struggling to guard on the perimeter. Luke, however, played really good help defense tonight.
7. Must start making free throws.
8. SJS has a culture of losing. They had MU on the ropes and then folded. MU was fortunate.
9. Conversely, MU weathered the storm when they could have folded. A positive sign.
10. This is what cupcakes are for. To learn how to play different styles and learn how to win.
11. On to Bucky. Time to fire up the hate machine.
12. We settle for 3s too often and too early.
Agreed. The 3 is always going to be there. MU has a gift this year, two bigs who can work inside, score in a myriad of ways down low, and who can pass out when the defense collapses. I am enjoying watching Traci/Duane/Haanif/JJ/Sandy work the perimeter. But this team needs to start every half court set by getting the ball in the paint to a big. When MU passes the ball around the perimeter and jacks a 3 without letting Henry or Luke touch the ball, it is almost as bad as a turnover.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 09, 2015, 03:06:57 AM
SJS had a kid from Wisconsin who was a 4 star recruit according to ESPN.
Cody Schwartz from Weat DePere. He played against Sandy throughout HS and actually knocked Seymour out of the tourney. I don't think there is much love between the two. I was hoping they would called the charge on CS drive that Sandy stepped in but it was on sandy.
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on December 08, 2015, 09:11:07 PM
Du with 14, 7 boards and 3 dimes. Good to see him have a good game. Hope he can continue against Bucky.
really? shot 5-13, constantly looking for his shot first.
Quote from: ATWizJr on December 09, 2015, 09:23:39 AM
really? shot 5-13, constantly looking for his shot first.
Disagree. Yeah he was 5 of 13, but he also had 7 rebounds and 3 assists. Thought he did a good job of making the extra pass for a lot of the game. He did take one or two shots that I thought weren't the best look we could have gotten on the possession but overall I thought he played well. He's played unselfishly the last two games.
It was great to see and listen to Doc Rivers talk about his love for Marquette and how good Marquette treats their Alumni. Marquette is a very special place indeed.
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on December 09, 2015, 10:10:35 AM
Disagree. Yeah he was 5 of 13, but he also had 7 rebounds and 3 assists. Thought he did a good job of making the extra pass for a lot of the game. He did take one or two shots that I thought weren't the best look we could have gotten on the possession but overall I thought he played well. He's played unselfishly the last two games.
He hit some monster threes when things were getting hairy last night.
Quote from: ATWizJr on December 09, 2015, 09:23:39 AM
really? shot 5-13, constantly looking for his shot first.
5-13, when including 4-9 from three, is pretty good for a scoring guard. I'll take the 1-4 from two if it means 4-9 from three. And Duane had some really good dump off passes to Luke and Henry when he could have easily taken it up for a contested layup. I think its hard to say that Duane was looking for his shot first.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 09, 2015, 10:38:29 AM
5-13, when including 4-9 from three, is pretty good for a scoring guard. I'll take the 1-4 from two if it means 4-9 from three. And Duane had some really good dump off passes to Luke and Henry when he could have easily taken it up for a contested layup. I think its hard to say that Duane was looking for his shot first.
My favorite play was on one of those dump offs to Henry, he rotated into position behind the 3-pt line. Henry then made a move then dumped it back to him for a converted 3. Earlier in the year he would have shot first and it was frustrating. You can tell they are being coached well on those poor decisions - and are changing their behavior. Good to see.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 09, 2015, 10:38:29 AM
5-13, when including 4-9 from three, is pretty good for a scoring guard. I'll take the 1-4 from two if it means 4-9 from three. And Duane had some really good dump off passes to Luke and Henry when he could have easily taken it up for a contested layup. I think its hard to say that Duane was looking for his shot first.
It was pretty obvious to me that he had a significant impact on the game in a positive way. Especially since Carter was struggling. Duane does a lot of things well on the basketball court without really standing out at anything. I will take his performance yesterday anytime.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on December 09, 2015, 10:43:51 AM
It was pretty obvious to me that he had a significant impact on the game in a positive way. Especially since Carter was struggling. Duane does a lot of things well on the basketball court without really standing out at anything. I will take his performance yesterday anytime.
I agree with Sultan here. In the second half, DU, Henry and Luke all put on their big boy pants exactly when it was necessary. Personally, I thought both Haanif and Traci struggled when things stopped going our way and pressed just a bit. Not unexpected from Frosh. They'll grow from the experience.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on December 09, 2015, 10:43:51 AM
It was pretty obvious to me that he had a significant impact on the game in a positive way. Especially since Carter was struggling. Duane does a lot of things well on the basketball court without really standing out at anything. I will take his performance yesterday anytime.
Especially the rebounding. His positioning and timing and outlets have been much better this year in general.
We're going to need guard rebounding, particularly once we start BE play. Lots of experienced backcourts with 3pt shooters.
Quote from: tower912 on December 08, 2015, 09:31:49 PM
JJ continues to perplex me. So inconsistent. So prone to bad turnovers. I realize that his game is not a good match against a zone. Every time I think he has turned the corner, he plays a game like this. Perhaps this is what he is and will be going forward.
I don't think JJJ had a bad game per se. He didn't force any bad shots or make any truly bad passes. He also made some nice defensive plays. There was nothing really there for him with the zone and until he can consistently hit the longer shots Wojo has him on a short leash.
I think in games where there are opportunities for driving and transition he will do well. We are going to need him against the more athletic teams because of his length and quickness.
My guess is he will do well against the Badgers.
On Carter, he did have a rough game. Its hard to argue otherwise with 2-8 shooting and 4 turnovers. But I have to say how much I enjoy watching this kind of PG. When Derrick had the ball he would either pass around the perimeter or drive all the way to the hoop. There was no inbetween. Junior was the same way except he could hit a pull up jumper. I love watching Traci dribble in the half court offense. He has the ability to drive at the hoop, pull back, dribble around defenders in the middle of the lane and then either attack again, dribble back to the perimeter, pass to the post, or kick out to a shooter. The ability to control the ball in the middle of the lane and make quick decisions like that is not something we have seen from the point since Dom James. Kid is gonna be real good.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 09, 2015, 11:46:29 AM
On Carter, he did have a rough game. Its hard to argue otherwise with 2-8 shooting and 4 turnovers. But I have to say how much I enjoy watching this kind of PG. When Derrick had the ball he would either pass around the perimeter or drive all the way to the hoop. There was no inbetween. Junior was the same way except he could hit a pull up jumper. I love watching Traci dribble in the half court offense. He has the ability to drive at the hoop, pull back, dribble around defenders in the middle of the lane and then either attack again, dribble back to the perimeter, pass to the post, or kick out to a shooter. The ability to control the ball in the middle of the lane and make quick decisions like that is not something we have seen from the point since Dom James. Kid is gonna be real good.
I agree with all these points. He is worth going through the growing pains with.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 09, 2015, 11:46:29 AM
On Carter, he did have a rough game. Its hard to argue otherwise with 2-8 shooting and 4 turnovers. But I have to say how much I enjoy watching this kind of PG. When Derrick had the ball he would either pass around the perimeter or drive all the way to the hoop. There was no inbetween. Junior was the same way except he could hit a pull up jumper. I love watching Traci dribble in the half court offense. He has the ability to drive at the hoop, pull back, dribble around defenders in the middle of the lane and then either attack again, dribble back to the perimeter, pass to the post, or kick out to a shooter. The ability to control the ball in the middle of the lane and make quick decisions like that is not something we have seen from the point since Dom James. Kid is gonna be real good.
And he's up to 30% on three point shots. If he can keep that number at or above 30% he is going to be really effective. Struggles to finish in the lane right now but if he can make that shot he should be able to get by defenders at will, resulting in an open mid range or kick out to a shooter.
Going to be REALLY fun offensively next year with Hauser and Rowsey.
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on December 09, 2015, 10:10:35 AM
Disagree. Yeah he was 5 of 13, but he also had 7 rebounds and 3 assists. Thought he did a good job of making the extra pass for a lot of the game. He did take one or two shots that I thought weren't the best look we could have gotten on the possession but overall I thought he played well. He's played unselfishly the last two games.
No, he played less selfishly but maybe Wojo can break him of that shoot first impulse. He clearly wants the recognition that being the man, especially in crunch time, would give him. And it is a good thing to not be afraid to take the big shot, so let's hope his development continues because I think he is/could be a very valuable asset properly used.