Sandy Cohen.
Yeah, I went there before the first half under 12 timeout. ;D
I'm already with you.
Damn. Told chick to post!
Jinx!
I'm IN.....but reserve the right to come to my senses later.....
Fischer.
His defense has been nothing short of outstanding, especially when he has to cover for the lack of defense from everyone else on the team.
Sitting during crunch time with foul trouble. Big Fischy coming up on the outside. Double doubles matter.
While Chief took us to an early lead, Big Fishy was huge as a defensive presence, as well as coming up big on the offensive boards.
1. Luke
1a. Chief.
3. HE
4. Du. Good to see him knock down some shots.
Bring on the stinkin' Vadgers. Go Warriors!
--Sandy for setting a career high inside of 7 minutes
--Luke for double-double not even being the most impressive part of his game tonight
--Henry for rescuing the offense when it was floundering
Still going with Sandy slightly before Luke. Duane and Henry with good games too.
Goin' Fisch-in.
I'm with Bardo...Luke, thanks to his efforts on both ends.
Fischer. 11 points, 13 rebounds, 3 blocks.
Second Cohen with 24 points, 17 in first seven minutes.
Fischer.
But hard to disagree with Sandy.
The Chief!
LUUUUUKE
Fishy
Flipping a coin...and it comes up Sandy.
Sandy had an awesome start. Luke was a force Defensively and without him I think this game would have been a nail biter. I would go with Luke.
Going by the we-wouldn't-have-won-without-this-guy eye test, I would go with fish. Gotta go with the full impact on the game.
Cohen played really really well for maybe 10 minutes. Fischer played well every minute he was in.
Gotta go with Luke.
Luke. He was a force.
Sandy had the best stat line easy. But its hard to give it to him when it was all the first seven minutes and he was a ghost the rest of the way. Big Fisch was dominate for the last 33 minutes on both sides of the court. Also loved what I saw from Duane. Stepped up when we needed it. Henry was solid as always but he still gets too ansty on offense and too out of position on defense. If Wojo can reign that in, Henry could be a BE player of the year.
1. Big Fisch
2. Chief Cohen
3. Swaggy Du
Sticking with Sandy, because even when he was feeling it he still was willing to play within the system.
Yes the force was strong tonight
Luke
Luke seemed as fresh at the end of the game as at tip-off, very few mistakes. His positioning is spot-on and
you gotta love the way he plays.
Sandy first half......Henry the second....can it be split? Oh crap then there is Luke's 13 rebounds.....this isn't an easy one....
I am good with ONE FOR THE TEAM
Expanding on my Sandy love, he gave us the huge lead they could never overcome. Chief all day.
I won't kvetch if it is Sandy, I just think Luke played a more consistent, complete game.
Sandy. It's not his fault that we jinxed him by calling him SOTG 7 minutes into the game.
Quote from: warriorchick on December 08, 2015, 09:36:31 PM
Sandy. It's not his fault that we jinxed him by call him SOTG 7 minutes into the game.
I think we're fortunate we didn't blow it after Brew posted so early....
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on December 08, 2015, 09:38:48 PM
I think we're fortunate we didn't blow it after Brew posted so early....
Isn't it nice to be able to feel this way after an 18 point win that never got closer than 7 (I believe)?
Whatever happens this season, at least we're better than last year's team.
I'd probably go Sandy, with Fischer a close second.
Obligatory post game note that Henry had 20 and 8 and isn't being considered. Don't take him for granted.
Amazing how 20-8 can go unnoticed and seem pedestrian.
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on December 08, 2015, 09:46:13 PM
I'd probably go Sandy, with Fischer a close second.
Obligatory post game note that Henry had 20 and 8 and isn't being considered. Don't take him for granted.
Good point, nice "problem" to have this team has a huge upside!
Sandy!
Luke, Solid all game as some of our players started to falter.
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on December 08, 2015, 09:46:13 PM
I'd probably go Sandy, with Fischer a close second.
Obligatory post game note that Henry had 20 and 8 and isn't being considered. Don't take him for granted.
It is amazing how easy Henry can make 20 and 8 look....
Hard to believe I'm not going with a guy who scored approximately 804 points in the first 2 minutes, but ...
Luke was the best player on the floor tonight, from the first minute to the last and on both ends of the court. I mean, the guy had 7 offensive boards, leading to a lot of second-chance points for the team.
Aside from the first 6 or 7 minutes, I thought the best Warrior not named Luke was Wilson, with Ellenson right up there.
Give it to Fish.
Luke its gotta be.
I honestly don't see how this isn't Sandy.
As for Luke. He played well, but he has severe limitations defensively. He is ok at the rim against smaller players (where he picks up his blocks), but he gives up a lot with anyone that can take the ball of the bounce or shoot from outside.
The other teams target him on offense.
On the other hand. Cohen is assigned the other teams best player and still:
Scored 24 points, shot over 50% from the floor, 60% from 3, grabbed 5 rebounds, had 3 assists, 3 steals and got a block to round things out. No way that isn't SOTG.
KPom had Sandy with the MVP. Much higher usage rate than Luke.
I would have said Henry for keeping us afloat in that second half before we pulled away late again. Don't mind him shooting the 3 but they have to be better looks then tonight.
Chief, hands down
Sandy owned the game until Wojo froze him by sitting him on the beach. Sandy!
Sandy
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on December 09, 2015, 06:50:47 AM
Sandy owned the game until Wojo froze him by sitting him on the beach. Sandy!
Wojo didn't sit him on the bench because he wanted to. Sandy got in foul trouble.
Hail to the Chief!
Quote from: forgetful on December 08, 2015, 11:42:46 PM
As for Luke. He played well, but he has severe limitations defensively. He is ok at the rim against smaller players (where he picks up his blocks), but he gives up a lot with anyone that can take the ball of the bounce or shoot from outside.
So you're saying he's a center?
Seriously, all true centers will struggle against guys that shoot outside or can take guys off the bounce. That's why they guard other centers and stay close to bucket and guard the rim. Luke is much better than ok at the rim. He rotates well, has good instincts, and great discipline. There was a play in the second half where the opponent went at him hard, Luke walled up and didn't move Ann inch. There was lots of contract but it was a good no call because of how Luke walled up. He even managed to swat the shot in the process. He also had very active hands, think he led the team in deflections last night including one that prevented an alley oop.
Any center will struggle a little on defense when the opponent uses a wing or stretch four in the 5 spot. That doesn't bother me because we have a huge advantage on offense and on the glass. If Luke stokes against legitimate centers, that's what will worry me.
Good point about Sandys defense though. Forced Princeton Onwas into 8 turnovers last night iirc.
I would go with Sandy over Fischer, because his game was much more above his normal game than Fischer's was.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 08, 2015, 09:17:07 PM
Sandy had the best stat line easy. But its hard to give it to him when it was all the first seven minutes and he was a ghost the rest of the way. Big Fisch was dominate for the last 33 minutes on both sides of the court. Also loved what I saw from Duane. Stepped up when we needed it. Henry was solid as always but he still gets too ansty on offense and too out of position on defense. If Wojo can reign that in, Henry could be a BE player of the year.
1. Big Fisch
2. Chief Cohen
3. Swaggy Du
Swaggy Du shot 5-13, constantly looking for his points first.
Since SOTG seems to suggest something spectacular, I have to go with Sandy. Putting in your first 5 3's is pretty spectacular, and it set the stage for the win.
That being said, it's easy to see why NBA scouts are salivating over Henry now and probably Luke, pretty soon. They aren't necessarily flashy players, but they are solid most of the game, they're where they need to be and their stat lines really sneak up on you. In the end, they will be the studs of the season.
Quote from: ATWizJr on December 09, 2015, 09:33:53 AM
Swaggy Du shot 5-13, constantly looking for his points first.
I think he took one bad shot. I had no problem with his shot selection.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on December 09, 2015, 10:02:27 AM
I think he took one bad shot. I had no problem with his shot selection.
Yep. I posted this in another thread but the past two games Duane has been rebounding well and making the extra pass. I think he's played very unselfishly.
Quote from: ATWizJr on December 09, 2015, 09:33:53 AM
Swaggy Du shot 5-13, constantly looking for his points first.
When you go 4-9 from three 5-13 is pretty good. Like Sultan said, I only noticed only one bad shot and it wasn't a terrible one. Just ill-advised. He also had seven boards and three assists with only one turnover. Also watched him pass up a couple of drives to the lane in favor of dump off passes to Luke and Henry. Honestly didn't see anything last night that indicated he was looking for his points first. In fact, I think Henry was the only one guilty of that last night.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 09, 2015, 10:31:28 AM
When you go 4-9 from three 5-13 is pretty good. Like Sultan said, I only noticed only one bad shot and it wasn't a terrible one. Just ill-advised. He also had seven boards and three assists with only one turnover. Also watched him pass up a couple of drives to the lane in favor of dump off passes to Luke and Henry. Honestly didn't see anything last night that indicated he was looking for his points first. In fact, I think Henry was the only one guilty of that last night.
Duane did a very good job last night. We will need him against the Badgers.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 09, 2015, 08:26:06 AM
So you're saying he's a center?
Seriously, all true centers will struggle against guys that shoot outside or can take guys off the bounce. That's why they guard other centers and stay close to bucket and guard the rim. Luke is much better than ok at the rim. He rotates well, has good instincts, and great discipline. There was a play in the second half where the opponent went at him hard, Luke walled up and didn't move Ann inch. There was lots of contract but it was a good no call because of how Luke walled up. He even managed to swat the shot in the process. He also had very active hands, think he led the team in deflections last night including one that prevented an alley oop.
Any center will struggle a little on defense when the opponent uses a wing or stretch four in the 5 spot. That doesn't bother me because we have a huge advantage on offense and on the glass. If Luke stokes against legitimate centers, that's what will worry me.
Good point about Sandys defense though. Forced Princeton Onwas into 8 turnovers last night iirc.
A bit of a caveat. I have a bit of an irrational reaction to bigs who do not play good defense on the perimeter (against other centers nonetheless). So you are welcome to just say, you are being irrational here and I'll tuck tail and run.
It is my opinion that Luke is far below average in guarding stretch 4's or even stretch 5's and I think it is going to be a problem. It killed us against Belmont.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on December 09, 2015, 11:08:20 AM
Duane did a very good job last night. We will need him against the Badgers.
Yes, we will need him against the Badgers. However, I felt he was the reason we lost a big amount of our lead in the first half, which coincided with him being on the floor.
The Sandy Man can, and will win SOTG.
Quote from: forgetful on December 08, 2015, 11:42:46 PM
I honestly don't see how this isn't Sandy.
As for Luke. He played well, but he has severe limitations defensively. He is ok at the rim against smaller players (where he picks up his blocks), but he gives up a lot with anyone that can take the ball of the bounce or shoot from outside.
The other teams target him on offense.
On the other hand. Cohen is assigned the other teams best player and still:
Scored 24 points, shot over 50% from the floor, 60% from 3, grabbed 5 rebounds, had 3 assists, 3 steals and got a block to round things out. No way that isn't SOTG.
Don't know who you're watching on defense, but Luke is on another planet from anybody else defensively. We give up a layup every single time down the court if Luke isn't on the floor, every game.
He's a center. His job isn't to run around the perimeter and lock someone down out there. It's to shut down the interior, which he does better than any big we've had in...well, as long as I can remember. Sandy may be our best perimeter defender, but it doesn't take much to take that title on this team.
Edit: Just read your more recent post. So, I think you're being a bit irrational here.
Quote from: bilsu on December 09, 2015, 11:35:33 AM
Yes, we will need him against the Badgers. However, I felt he was the reason we lost a big amount of our lead in the first half, which coincided with him being on the floor.
We lost the momentum when SJSU switched to zone, not because Duane was on the floor. Even when Carter came back in we struggled.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 09, 2015, 11:51:04 AM
Don't know who you're watching on defense, but Luke is on another planet from anybody else defensively. We give up a layup every single time down the court if Luke isn't on the floor, every game.
He's a center. His job isn't to run around the perimeter and lock someone down out there. It's to shut down the interior, which he does better than any big we've had in...well, as long as I can remember. Sandy may be our best perimeter defender, but it doesn't take much to take that title on this team.
Edit: Just read your more recent post. So, I think you're being a bit irrational here.
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Quote from: forgetful on December 09, 2015, 11:32:01 AM
A bit of a caveat. I have a bit of an irrational reaction to bigs who do not play good defense on the perimeter (against other centers nonetheless). So you are welcome to just say, you are being irrational here and I'll tuck tail and run.
It is my opinion that Luke is far below average in guarding stretch 4's or even stretch 5's and I think it is going to be a problem. It killed us against Belmont.
A. Our defense sucks when Luke's not on the floor.
2. I actually thought Luke did a nice job the few times he wandered out to the perimeter. I remember at least one block of a 3-pointer and one really nice close-out challenge without fouling. I don't want him on the perimeter much.
As for me choosing Luke over Sandy, I still go that way. But I certainly have no problem with Sandy winning it. I'm sure everybody who backs Sandy is relieved to hear that!
When the game started, it was *obviously* Sandy. When the game ended, I was leaning towards Luke.
Had to go back and look at the box score to decide, and while we would not have won without both of their performances, Sandy's numbers (lots more points, more assists and steals) clinched it for him.
Time on the bench was a negative for Sandy, but he still had 32 min, vs 37 for Luke.