1. It's Grambling, it's Grambling. All thoughts have to include the context...'but it's against Grambling.'
2. Everyone had their moments. Some, more than others.
3. Please please please play like this against good teams, JJ. Please have turned the corner. Please let this be the new normal.
4. Hitting open 3's. What a concept.
5. Probably the highlight of the evening is when Haanif came back in the game and looked ok after rolling his ankle.
6. It is absolutely imperative to get Anim and Heldt as many minutes as possible in games like this. Due to fouls and injuries, at some point they are going to have to play when it matters.
7. At one point, 26 assists on 28 made baskets. Basketball nirvana.
8. Such a cupcake. I can feel my sugar spiking.
- Yes it's Grambling, but tempo free stats predicted a 28 point win, we won by 46. That's improvement.
- After seeing everyone get minutes, I have to agree with Wojo's substitution order (Wally, Heldt, Anim). Sacar will get there (and potentially be very good), but he's behind the other 2 at this point.
Somewhat disagree with #6. I don't think anim or heldt will be in the rotation in a few weeks anyway, so I think it's more important to get our rotation guys as many minutes as possible together. The starting lineup is very young and they need all the time they can get.
Normally I want to say "of course we drain the 3s when the other team is garbage"
But honestly it was just nice to see us make them.
JJJ, Duane and Sandy have gotten those looks all year. Making them even against grambling can only help.
#5.
If HC gets significantly injured there, tonight is a bad, bad night.
At some point, Luke and Henry will be in foul trouble early against a good team. Heldt will have to play. At some point, a good team is going to be playing 4 guards against us (Butler, 'nova) and we will need Sacar. And to assume no injuries is a stretch.
Quote from: tower912 on December 02, 2015, 09:06:28 PM
At some point, Luke and Henry will be in foul trouble early against a good team. Heldt will have to play. At some point, a good team is going to be playing 4 guards against us (Butler, 'nova) and we will need Sacar. And to assume no injuries is a stretch.
Yup and I think sacar can be a real asset. The things he can bring can really help swing a game for a little.
Main thought, don't know how I stayed until the end. Grambling is just terrible. Will be tough finding the motivation for teams like Maine, Chicago State, Presbyterian, and Stetson. I'd like to take positives away, but all I can think is until Seton Hall gets here, these home games are all terrible and meaningless.
I hope, I really hope, these games help this team learn to win big time. Because if we miss the Dance with 10-11 Big East winds and Henry goes, this will be a huge waste of a massive talent. Grambling may be the worst of the worst, but these types of games are mind numbing, soul sucking, attendance destroying, RPI killing plummets to Hell.
1 nice to see JuJauns shot looking smooth- congrats to him and wojo and staff for changing that thing
2 too bad the depth is so good at Sacars position- he looks too good to get no minutes
3 Duane heating up- don't fall in love though
4 lotta of different options can step up night to night
5 ball movement on offense still impressing
6 defense and TOs still need constant attention
5 wins, 5 different STOGs. Nice to have numerous weapons and to have different guys step up.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 02, 2015, 09:13:47 PM
Main thought, don't know how I stayed until the end. Grambling is just terrible. Will be tough finding the motivation for teams like Maine, Chicago State, Presbyterian, and Stetson. I'd like to take positives away, but all I can think is until Seton Hall gets here, these home games are all terrible and meaningless.
I hope, I really hope, these games help this team learn to win big time. Because if we miss the Dance with 10-11 Big East winds and Henry goes, this will be a huge waste of a massive talent. Grambling may be the worst of the worst, but these types of games are mind numbing, soul sucking, attendance destroying, RPI killing plummets to Hell.
What a ridiculous attitude. We played well and seem to be improving. Good enough for me with such a young team.
Quote from: murara1994 on December 02, 2015, 09:50:37 PM
What a ridiculous attitude. We played well and seem to be improving. Good enough for me with such a young team.
Hate to break it to you but these games ain't helping our tournament resume.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 02, 2015, 09:53:51 PM
Hate to break it to you but these games ain't helping our tournament resume.
But if they build confidence so we can compete in the Big East, they did accomplish something. And I can deal with that. We'll know whether a purpose was served in a few months.
Quote from: murara1994 on December 02, 2015, 09:50:37 PM
What a ridiculous attitude. We played well and seem to be improving. Good enough for me with such a young team.
I may not be a huge spender, but I spend a decent chunk on season tickets. Yes, we played well, but we played well against a team that would struggle against Little Sisters of the Poor, and it's one of about 6 such games we'll play in the next few weeks.
Is it a terrible attitude to want some actual value for my entertainment dollar? Is it a terrible attitude to want to offer some actual decent games when I call friends and family to see if they want to go to a game?
RPI, resume, all that aside, these are terrible opponents. It's hard to find people that want to go to these types of games, and it's harder to sell the tickets and come close to recouping your money. The BC was maybe at best 25% full tonight. Fans don't want to go to these games. I'm fine with having 2-3 of these games per season. You have to get some easy wins. But playing 7 straight of roughly this caliber at home with another coming in late January? That's just brutal.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 02, 2015, 10:10:30 PM
I may not be a huge spender, but I spend a decent chunk on season tickets. Yes, we played well, but we played well against a team that would struggle against Little Sisters of the Poor, and it's one of about 6 such games we'll play in the next few weeks.
Is it a terrible attitude to want some actual value for my entertainment dollar? Is it a terrible attitude to want to offer some actual decent games when I call friends and family to see if they want to go to a game?
RPI, resume, all that aside, these are terrible opponents. It's hard to find people that want to go to these types of games, and it's harder to sell the tickets and come close to recouping your money. The BC was maybe at best 25% full tonight. Fans don't want to go to these games. I'm fine with having 2-3 of these games per season. You have to get some easy wins. But playing 7 straight of roughly this caliber at home with another coming in late January? That's just brutal.
You are paying the same amount to see Grambling as you are to see Villanova. I guess it all averages out, but it makes you wonder if the season tickets are a good investment or not when 8 of the 17(?) games are like this.
Work & family commitments prevent me from going tonight, Saturday and next Tuesday. I cannot give the tix away. No one will take them. It's bad.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 02, 2015, 10:10:30 PM
I may not be a huge spender, but I spend a decent chunk on season tickets. Yes, we played well, but we played well against a team that would struggle against Little Sisters of the Poor, and it's one of about 6 such games we'll play in the next few weeks.
Is it a terrible attitude to want some actual value for my entertainment dollar? Is it a terrible attitude to want to offer some actual decent games when I call friends and family to see if they want to go to a game?
RPI, resume, all that aside, these are terrible opponents. It's hard to find people that want to go to these types of games, and it's harder to sell the tickets and come close to recouping your money. The BC was maybe at best 25% full tonight. Fans don't want to go to these games. I'm fine with having 2-3 of these games per season. You have to get some easy wins. But playing 7 straight of roughly this caliber at home with another coming in late January? That's just brutal.
I agree with your analysis. I understand the need for cupcakes, however I have consistently believed we can get bottom tier Mid American, Horizon , Missouri Valley,Summit League teams etc. We are spending a fortune on basketball and might as well pay up and get a better grade cupcake. I think we need a completely different approach. Why not play teams like Loyola Chicago. UWM, Northern Illinois, Detroit etc.
Quote from: The Lens on December 02, 2015, 10:56:09 PM
Work & family commitments prevent me from going tonight, Saturday and next Tuesday. I cannot give the tix away. No one will take them. It's bad.
I bet you could.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 02, 2015, 10:57:35 PM
I bet you could.
Yeah. I have friends/family that would be happy to go.
Quote from: The Lens on December 02, 2015, 10:56:09 PM
Work & family commitments prevent me from going tonight, Saturday and next Tuesday. I cannot give the tix away. No one will take them. It's bad.
Go to inner city schools where kids usually don't get the opportunity to see Marquette basketball games. I'm sure they could find a kid or 2 to give them to. Or go to Saint A, St. Charle's, Carmelite, etc. Boys and Girls clubs. Etc. If you want help finding someone to take them, I'd be happy to connect you with someone who would greatly appreciate them.
Quote from: The Lens on December 02, 2015, 10:56:09 PM
Work & family commitments prevent me from going tonight, Saturday and next Tuesday. I cannot give the tix away. No one will take them. It's bad.
If I lived within 50 miles of the BC, I'd be happy to take them off your hands.
I do wish we had a couple more good NC home games, but I understand why this season's schedule was made the way it was.
We are a young team that, a couple weeks ago some folks around here were saying would be lucky to win 15 games. It is nice to see some things come together, no matter the opponent. I'm glad the streak began with the wins in Brooklyn, but I'm not apologizing for Jax State and Grambling.
I am not the least bit concerned about NCAA tourney resume building. Wojo is trying to build a program.
As for those saying it would be a waste if we don't make the tourney and Ellenson leaves ... please.
I think because we are SO young and honestly not a finished product yet we won't see Anim and Heldt getting much time against the cupcakes. Wojo wants an 8 man rotation and those 8 men are still learning how to play together. To put it in the worst way possible Wojo doesn't want to waste time with playing Heldt and Anim when they aren't going to getting much playing time. Heldt will get minutes when Luke or Henry get in foul trouble and Anim might play against athletic guards when an opponent throws out a four guard lineup. Wojo wants to get the top 8 as much experience playing together as possible. I don't necessarily agree but that's why he gets paid the big bucks.
I think next season we will see more young players getting big minutes against cupcakes.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 02, 2015, 10:10:30 PM
I may not be a huge spender, but I spend a decent chunk on season tickets. Yes, we played well, but we played well against a team that would struggle against Little Sisters of the Poor, and it's one of about 6 such games we'll play in the next few weeks.
Is it a terrible attitude to want some actual value for my entertainment dollar? Is it a terrible attitude to want to offer some actual decent games when I call friends and family to see if they want to go to a game?
RPI, resume, all that aside, these are terrible opponents. It's hard to find people that want to go to these types of games, and it's harder to sell the tickets and come close to recouping your money. The BC was maybe at best 25% full tonight. Fans don't want to go to these games. I'm fine with having 2-3 of these games per season. You have to get some easy wins. But playing 7 straight of roughly this caliber at home with another coming in late January? That's just brutal.
I completely understand your frustration. If they release a similarly poor schedule next year then I'll probably consider taking a couple years off as a season ticket holder.
That said, it's just really nice to see some damn wins. It's been a tough two years and I'll enjoy each of our 8 (hopefully) non-conference home wins.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 02, 2015, 09:13:47 PM
Main thought, don't know how I stayed until the end. Grambling is just terrible. Will be tough finding the motivation for teams like Maine, Chicago State, Presbyterian, and Stetson. I'd like to take positives away, but all I can think is until Seton Hall gets here, these home games are all terrible and meaningless.
I hope, I really hope, these games help this team learn to win big time. Because if we miss the Dance with 10-11 Big East winds and Henry goes, this will be a huge waste of a massive talent. Grambling may be the worst of the worst, but these types of games are mind numbing, soul sucking, attendance destroying, RPI killing plummets to Hell.
Don't by the tickets... Your r an idiot!
You are nitpicking the difference between a 250
RPI team and a 350 RPI. Sorry it ruined your night but most fans don't know the difference. Must have been tough spending two hours watching your alma mater play basketball. You are a true martyr.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 02, 2015, 10:10:30 PM
I may not be a huge spender, but I spend a decent chunk on season tickets. Yes, we played well, but we played well against a team that would struggle against Little Sisters of the Poor, and it's one of about 6 such games we'll play in the next few weeks.
Is it a terrible attitude to want some actual value for my entertainment dollar? Is it a terrible attitude to want to offer some actual decent games when I call friends and family to see if they want to go to a game?
RPI, resume, all that aside, these are terrible opponents. It's hard to find people that want to go to these types of games, and it's harder to sell the tickets and come close to recouping your money. The BC was maybe at best 25% full tonight. Fans don't want to go to these games. I'm fine with having 2-3 of these games per season. You have to get some easy wins. But playing 7 straight of roughly this caliber at home with another coming in late January? That's just brutal.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 02, 2015, 09:13:47 PM
Main thought, don't know how I stayed until the end. Grambling is just terrible. Will be tough finding the motivation for teams like Maine, Chicago State, Presbyterian, and Stetson. I'd like to take positives away, but all I can think is until Seton Hall gets here, these home games are all terrible and meaningless.
I hope, I really hope, these games help this team learn to win big time. Because if we miss the Dance with 10-11 Big East winds and Henry goes, this will be a huge waste of a massive talent. Grambling may be the worst of the worst, but these types of games are mind numbing, soul sucking, attendance destroying, RPI killing plummets to Hell.
Totally agree. Bradley Center looked empty on TV. Horrible opponent.
Quote from: 79Warrior on December 03, 2015, 12:03:33 AM
Totally agree. Bradley Center looked empty on TV. Horrible opponent.
would the BC have been full if we had played RPI #248?
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on December 02, 2015, 10:56:58 PM
I agree with your analysis. I understand the need for cupcakes, however I have consistently believed we can get bottom tier Mid American, Horizon , Missouri Valley,Summit League teams etc. We are spending a fortune on basketball and might as well pay up and get a better grade cupcake. I think we need a completely different approach. Why not play teams like Loyola Chicago. UWM, Northern Illinois, Detroit etc.
Those teams want a return game, that's the reason. Budget requires certain amount of home games, but if you line up teams that demand a return game, then there aren't enough home games to play to bring in the money for the revenue needs of the budget.
There are only so many DI schools that are part of the BUY circuit, and they aren't typically found in the MAC, Horizon and definitely not in the Mo Valley.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 03, 2015, 12:30:08 AM
Those teams want a return game, that's the reason. Budget requires certain amount of home games, but if you line up teams that demand a return game, then there aren't enough home games to play to bring in the money for the revenue needs of the budget.
There are only so many DI schools that are part of the BUY circuit, and they aren't typically found in the MAC, Horizon and definitely not in the Mo Valley.
Maybe we'll get great pairings in the Gavitt games every year and that will help. Or we join another 'challenge' with a strong conference. I4 got to play Duke last night because of the ACC/Big Ten challenge last night, a'inal?
Despite the opponent, MU shared the ball within the flow of the offense as well as I have seen under Wojo, which created space and set guys up to hit shots in position to be successful. Also, the help defense is much improved. That said, GSU bad.
Quote from: MU86NC on December 02, 2015, 11:36:49 PM
Don't by the tickets... Your r an idiot!
Hard to take insults seriously with that level of grammar, but ticket purchases were made before the non-con schedule was announced. In order to get decent seats, you have to make the decision prior to knowing who they will play.
Quote from: murara1994 on December 02, 2015, 11:59:41 PMYou are nitpicking the difference between a 250 RPI team and a 350 RPI. Sorry it ruined your night but most fans don't know the difference. Must have been tough spending two hours watching your alma mater play basketball. You are a true martyr.
Most fans may not, but I'm willing to wager quite a few more that are willing to spend on tickets do. Last night had to be one of the worst attended games in the past 5 years.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 03, 2015, 12:30:08 AMThose teams want a return game, that's the reason. Budget requires certain amount of home games, but if you line up teams that demand a return game, then there aren't enough home games to play to bring in the money for the revenue needs of the budget.
There are only so many DI schools that are part of the BUY circuit, and they aren't typically found in the MAC, Horizon and definitely not in the Mo Valley.
Fair points. Does the budget demand 19 home dates? If so, we must be hurting because this year is the most we've had since I've been a STH.
Let's be honest, by any measure this is a terrible schedule and we can't pretend that it's impossible to do better because no one else in the Big East has this poor a schedule and we've had better schedules in the past. We are not a victim of restricted dates or any other nonsense, this is a deliberate choice.
Grambling is the worst team in college basketball. No way around that. Maine, Presbyterian, and Stetson have all been at the bottom of bad leagues. There's some hope Jackson State will do something this year, but as a rule I'd like to never see SWAC teams.
If you're going to bring in bad teams, I at least applaud the choices of San Jose State (Mountain West team) and Chicago State (fairly local). Bad teams in good leagues or bad teams that generate some nearby interest at least have some merit. I'd much rather see teams that are competing for the top end of the their mediocre conference, but in lieu of that, I can understand those two.
The idea we've heard is that the goal is to teach these guys how to win. If we actually challenged them with two or three cupcakes that weren't completely terrible, or started one more home-and-home (even on the road), or got involved with some of the two-for-one and three-for-one deals it might take to get a Horizon or MVC team in here, would that be the worst thing?
My sincere hope is that this schedule is a one-off. Of course, it really hasn't helped that the athletic department won't return calls on the matter. I've called three times and no one will return a call. The combination of terrible scheduling and terrible customer service from an alma mater I donate to annually is definitely getting on my nerves.
Quote from: tower912 on December 02, 2015, 09:06:28 PM
At some point, Luke and Henry will be in foul trouble early against a good team. Heldt will have to play. At some point, a good team is going to be playing 4 guards against us (Butler, 'nova) and we will need Sacar. And to assume no injuries is a stretch.
Heldt does not appear to be anywhere near ready to play at this level. We'd be better off going small if injuries or foul trouble cause HE or Fischer to sit for extended minutes, regardless of opponent.
Chick and I went to the game not to worry about the opponent but to see the continuing development of our young team. The ball moved crisply on offense and the shots fell. We were entertained and made it back to suburban Chicago before 11.
On Saturday against Maine, my guess is there will be lots of young kids in attendance. Well you know what? When I was 7-8 years old I wasn't particularly interested in the opponent. I just wanted a chance to see Thompson and Meminger play. So my dad would get Irv Stauber's tickets and we'd go. Brew, I hope that you can find a situation like that and support a young Warrior if you choose to skip a few.
Quote from: murara1994 on December 02, 2015, 11:59:41 PM
You are nitpicking the difference between a 250
RPI team and a 350 RPI. Sorry it ruined your night but most fans don't know the difference. Must have been tough spending two hours watching your alma mater play basketball. You are a true martyr.
Exactly- bitch bitch bitch - go find something else to bitch about
Quote from: CTWarrior on December 03, 2015, 07:06:30 AM
Heldt does not appear to be anywhere near ready to play at this level. We'd be better off going small if injuries or foul trouble cause HE or Fischer to sit for extended minutes, regardless of opponent.
While Matt doesn't appear overly ready, I think Wojo believes that he has to balance preparing his 8 man rotation while at the same time he continues to coach up all his players. We'll see Matt and Sacar get limited 'Frosh' minutes this year but against the cupcakes they'll both play. His comments last night applauded their attitude and suggested that their objectives for the season are somewhat different than guys like Henry, Haanif and Traci. I don't sense frustration in either young man. Perhaps this speaks more to an 'honest' recruiting process than might have been in the case in the past.
Wojo's here to win. He played hard ball with Dawson last year once he determined that he'd rather have the scholly back. We can differ on whether that was the correct approach. But he'll support both Matt and Sacar honorably giving each what they earn. We'll see where that leads over the next year or so.
Quote from: jsglow on December 03, 2015, 07:30:11 AM
While Matt doesn't appear overly ready, I think Wojo believes that he has to balance preparing his 8 man rotation while at the same time he continues to coach up all his players. We'll see Matt and Sacar get limited 'Frosh' minutes this year but against the cupcakes they'll both play...
I agree that he should play as much as Wojo wants against the non-con teams. By regardless of opponent, I should have been clearer, as I meant UW and Big East opponents whether or not those opponents have size.
Quote from: CTWarrior on December 03, 2015, 07:35:30 AM
I agree that he should play as much as Wojo wants against the non-con teams. By regardless of opponent, I should have been clearer, as I meant UW and Big East opponents whether or not those opponents have size.
Yep. I get your point. I'm expecting both Sacar and Matt to be DNP-CD in hotly contested BE games. It's a balancing act because even now I want the 8 man rotation honing their skills. Every rep now gives us a better chance come January and February.
Quote from: CAGASS24 on December 03, 2015, 07:09:47 AM
Exactly- bitch bitch bitch - go find something else to bitch about
What are you talking about? Don't you know there are several guys here on Scoop who can coach and recruit better than Wojo, run the athletic department better than Bill Scholl, and make better major university decisions than Mike Lovell? Those guys are fortunate that these Scooper "experts" are generous enough to let them keep their jobs. If they stepped up and offered to do it instead, Wojo, Scholl and Lovell would be forced to take boring jobs in Corporate America.
Quote from: jsglow on December 03, 2015, 08:07:29 AM
I'm expecting both Sacar and Matt to be DNP-CD in hotly contested BE games. It's a balancing act because even now I want the 8 man rotation honing their skills. Every rep now gives us a better chance come January and February.
I expect some improvement as the semester ends and the cap on practice time is eased. You never know when things will start to click for freshmen. For Haani, Henry, and Traci, it happened a little sooner.
It is important to Play Heldt and Sacar, because if they do not get some time they are likely to transfer. I left the game thinking we are getting experience by playing horrible teams, while Wisconsin, who is almost as young as us, is getting real experience playing at Oklahoma and Syracuse. The MU/UW game is not going to end well for us.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 02, 2015, 10:10:30 PM
I may not be a huge spender, but I spend a decent chunk on season tickets. Yes, we played well, but we played well against a team that would struggle against Little Sisters of the Poor, and it's one of about 6 such games we'll play in the next few weeks.
Is it a terrible attitude to want some actual value for my entertainment dollar? Is it a terrible attitude to want to offer some actual decent games when I call friends and family to see if they want to go to a game?
RPI, resume, all that aside, these are terrible opponents. It's hard to find people that want to go to these types of games, and it's harder to sell the tickets and come close to recouping your money. The BC was maybe at best 25% full tonight. Fans don't want to go to these games. I'm fine with having 2-3 of these games per season. You have to get some easy wins. But playing 7 straight of roughly this caliber at home with another coming in late January? That's just brutal.
Maybe it's yours, maybe it's not, but one frequently used way to dismiss criticism is to say, "The people that get paid to make these decisions know better than you." It applies as much here as it does to evaluations of players.
Quote from: bilsu on December 03, 2015, 08:36:10 AM
It is important to Play Heldt and Sacar, because if they do not get some time they are likely to transfer. I left the game thinking we are getting experience by playing horrible teams, while Wisconsin, who is almost as young as us, is getting real experience playing at Oklahoma and Syracuse. The MU/UW game is not going to end well for us.
Just because we've seen transfers in the past few years, I don't agree with your assumption that Heldt and Sacar will transfer if they don't get playing time. These are Wojo's guys, and as long as he is clear about their roles now and about his plans for the future, I think they'll buy in. They will be an important part of an experienced, exciting team in another year or so.
NM
Quote from: murara1994 on December 03, 2015, 12:18:07 AM
would the BC have been full if we had played RPI #248?
nope, but maybe a few more seats would be occupied rather than playing in front of a few thousand people.
Quote from: bilsu on December 03, 2015, 08:36:10 AM
It is important to Play Heldt and Sacar, because if they do not get some time they are likely to transfer. I left the game thinking we are getting experience by playing horrible teams, while Wisconsin, who is almost as young as us, is getting real experience playing at Oklahoma and Syracuse. The MU/UW game is not going to end well for us.
So what you're saying is that we should only play top 15 teams and we should make sure all (however many scholarship players we have) players get playing time so as to make everyone happy?
Banners for each player to hang in their dorm rooms, too, hey?
Quote from: bilsu on December 03, 2015, 08:36:10 AM
It is important to Play Heldt and Sacar, because if they do not get some time they are likely to transfer. I left the game thinking we are getting experience by playing horrible teams, while Wisconsin, who is almost as young as us, is getting real experience playing at Oklahoma and Syracuse. The MU/UW game is not going to end well for us.
If players want to play more then they should get better. If not, they're welcome to leave.
(For the record, this is NOT at all directed at Heldt or Anim, specifically. Just speaking in general terms)
Quote from: slingkong on December 03, 2015, 08:44:51 AM
Maybe it's yours, maybe it's not, but one frequently used way to dismiss criticism is to say, "The people that get paid to make these decisions know better than you." It applies as much here as it does to evaluations of players.
Definitely not mine. I'm a paying customer and am disappointed that I was given a poor product. I'm disappointed not only in the product but in the athletic department's continued refusal to return calls on the subject. If you buy a product, are disappointed when it is delivered, and the company that sold said product won't address your disappointment, I think that's a valid time to have a complaint.
And chick, I know you're being tongue in cheek, but I'm not calling for the heads of Broeker, Scholl, or Wojo, I'd just like it if they would address the poor scheduling. In the past, when I voiced concerns about numerous issues, I have received prompt replies and even had people at Marquette reach out to me about concerns that I voiced on boards like this. I don't think it's too much to ask that someone over there return a phone call rather than ignoring a loyal, paying customer and alum.
Maybe I will donate some tickets, but usually when I make a donation, it's normally with a check. When I buy season tickets, it's to use them myself. If we have 2-3 games like this, that's one thing and I fully understand, but looking at the schedule and seeing 5 more games like last night, especially when no other Big East team has more than 2 total, that's a bit disappointing.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 03, 2015, 09:42:11 AM
And chick, I know you're being tongue in cheek, but I'm not calling for the heads of Broeker, Scholl, or Wojo, I'd just like it if they would address the poor scheduling.
http://painttouches.com/2015/07/23/in-depth-qa-with-mike-broeker-on-scheduling/
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 03, 2015, 09:50:03 AM
http://painttouches.com/2015/07/23/in-depth-qa-with-mike-broeker-on-scheduling/
I read that at the time and had been in contact with Greska regarding the article and questions before he sat down with Broeker. I left one message prior to the article coming out and two since. None have been returned.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 03, 2015, 09:59:14 AM
I read that at the time and had been in contact with Greska regarding the article and questions before he sat down with Broeker. I left one message prior to the article coming out and two since. None have been returned.
What else would you like them to say that broeker didn't already?
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 03, 2015, 09:59:14 AM
I read that at the time and had been in contact with Greska regarding the article and questions before he sat down with Broeker. I left one message prior to the article coming out and two since. None have been returned.
Brewcity, I ask these questions sincerely: What further explanation or action do you expect? Did you feel that Greska posed questions that reflected your concerns? (Should his questions have done so?) Did Broeker not answer questions? Do you simply not like his answers? Do you want money back? Can you realistically hope for some assurances that such scheduling will not happen in the future?
I think your frustration and disappointment in having purchased a product that is proving to be less than satisfactory is reasonable, but I'm not sure your reaction and expectations for retribution, if indeed you have any, are reasonable. If you don't have any expectations for retribution, then it seems you've spoken your piece and it may be time to move on.
As others have mentioned, this season seems a good one to attend the crappy buy-in games viewing them as an opportunity to watch a young but very talented team grow and find its way.
Quote from: bilsu on December 03, 2015, 08:36:10 AM
It is important to Play Heldt and Sacar, because if they do not get some time they are likely to transfer.
Any coach that plays players simply because they may transfer otherwise won't be a very effective head coach. And players who transfer because they aren't seeing regular playing time in their freshman year are free to leave.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 03, 2015, 09:42:11 AM
And chick, I know you're being tongue in cheek, but I'm not calling for the heads of Broeker, Scholl, or Wojo, I'd just like it if they would address the poor scheduling. In the past, when I voiced concerns about numerous issues, I have received prompt replies and even had people at Marquette reach out to me about concerns that I voiced on boards like this. I don't think it's too much to ask that someone over there return a phone call rather than ignoring a loyal, paying customer and alum.
My comment wasn't pointing at you specifically. It just amuses me how so many people on this board are fond of pointing out the failings of MU (and more specifically the athletic department) as if the greatest problem of all is that no one asked them to do the job.
It's so easy to second guess other people's decisions, especially when you have the benefit of hindsight and you aren't aware of all the factors that had to go into the original decision.
Quote from: warriorchick on December 03, 2015, 10:25:05 AM
My comment wasn't pointing at you specifically. It just amuses me how so many people on this board are fond of pointing out the failings of MU (and more specifically the athletic department) as if the greatest problem of all is that no one asked them to do the job.
It's so easy to second guess other people's decisions, especially when you have the benefit of hindsight and you aren't aware of all the factors that had to go into the original decision.
There's a name for it!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect
For anyone complaining about the quality of the opponent:
In all likelihood, we have only 13 more home games of Henry Ellenson. Think about that when deciding whether it is worth going.
I don't believe we should force playing Matt or Sacar, but to say "they are free to leave" as though we shouldn't care is something I disagree with. Certainly they are free to do as they please, but the constant transfers are part of the reason we are young (this year) or thin (last year) - and those are not isolated instances. Some transfers are going to happen, but I'd much prefer the stability that comes with players growing in the system.
Quote from: Marquette_g on December 03, 2015, 10:53:43 AM
I don't believe we should force playing Matt or Sacar, but to say "they are free to leave" as though we shouldn't care is something I disagree with. Certainly they are free to do as they please, but the constant transfers are part of the reason we are young (this year) or thin (last year) - and those are not isolated instances. Some transfers are going to happen, but I'd much prefer the stability that comes with players growing in the system.
Oh I agree with that. I just think a player who thinks "they aren't playing me just a few games into my freshman year, therefore I am going to transfer," probably isn't cut out for D1 basketball to begin with.
Look at JJJ. We had people claiming "mind games," and predicting he would leave....and...well he didn't. He worked hard and made himself a valuable player who is quite deserving of the minutes he is getting. He didn't take the easy way out. I hope that Sacar and Matt are more like that.
Quote from: MuEagle1090 on December 02, 2015, 11:09:20 PM
I completely understand your frustration. If they release a similarly poor schedule next year then I'll probably consider taking a couple years off as a season ticket holder.
That said, it's just really nice to see some damn wins. It's been a tough two years and I'll enjoy each of our 8 (hopefully) non-conference home wins.
Don't you realize that would serve to hurt the program more than it would help?
If you aren't loyal to the program in thick or thin you aren't a good fan IMO.
Well this quickly broke into about 4 separate topics.
I don't think we can over emphasise that Grambling is not a good team. Still, I am glad that we played the way we did. I do think that with a young team you need to have some games like this. Any longer term playing time or performance evaluations have to understand that this game was essentially a uniformed practice.
And you can say what you want, but I don't want to pay in either money or time to watch a bunch of practices. I understand the scheduling dynamics, but am not going to criticize anyone that thinks they aren't getting their money's worth with this years' opponents.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on December 03, 2015, 10:21:33 AM
Any coach that plays players simply because they may transfer otherwise won't be a very effective head coach. And players who transfer because they aren't seeing regular playing time in their freshman year are free to leave.
Completely agree.
You don't want to earn it -- or wait your turn, if necessary -- there's the door.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 03, 2015, 09:26:30 AM
So what you're saying is that we should only play top 15 teams and we should make sure all (however many scholarship players we have) players get playing time so as to make everyone happy?
Banners for each player to hang in their dorm rooms, too, hey?
Not really. What I am feeling is that MUscoopers and maybe the team are going to go into the UW game with a false sense of accomplishment. I do think the schedule we have is good for the team (it could be somewhat tougher) to learn as long as we remember it does not mean we are a good team. Usually, the Kohl Center is a hard place to play. Even though the Badgers have lost there this year, it is going to be a tough game.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on December 03, 2015, 10:21:33 AM
Any coach that plays players simply because they may transfer otherwise won't be a very effective head coach. And players who transfer because they aren't seeing regular playing time in their freshman year are free to leave.
We are talking about a game that was a total blowout. I really am not worried about Heldt transferring. I think he knew he was not going to play a lot this year. I also think Wojo should of redshirted him. I do not know how Anim feels about not playing. I certainly would not play him in a close game, if I did not think he would help the team.
Quote from: gomuhilltoppers on December 03, 2015, 10:41:29 AM
For anyone complaining about the quality of the opponent:
In all likelihood, we have only 13 more home games of Henry Ellenson. Think about that when deciding whether it is worth going.
He looks just as good on TV. I think the games being on TV are what is hurting attendance the most.
Quote from: bilsu on December 03, 2015, 08:36:10 AM
I left the game thinking we are getting experience by playing horrible teams, while Wisconsin, who is almost as young as us, is getting real experience playing at Oklahoma and Syracuse. The MU/UW game is not going to end well for us.
A couple things you need to factor into this. Wis is coming 2 years of Back to Back Final Four appearances. Like it or not they are much more likely to get a return call on a scheduling request than a team with 2 tournament misses and a losing record. 2nd the players that Wisconsin returns have a ton of experience winning. There isn't a person on this MU team that has a winning season. Beyond that look what happened when both of these teams scheduled a "good" mid major. They got beat at home in both cases. I think Wojo and staff should be forgiven settling for a weak schedule this year. Next year is a different story but this year cut them some slack.
The problem is not that we played Grambling St. The problem is that we are playing 6 or 7 other teams almost as bad as Grambling St.
Quote from: mug644 on December 03, 2015, 10:17:22 AMBrewcity, I ask these questions sincerely: What further explanation or action do you expect? Did you feel that Greska posed questions that reflected your concerns? (Should his questions have done so?) Did Broeker not answer questions? Do you simply not like his answers? Do you want money back? Can you realistically hope for some assurances that such scheduling will not happen in the future?
In order...
I'd like the opportunity to express my concerns personally. On three occasions I was assured my call would be returned. I specifically told the people in the ticket office and athletic department secretaries that I knew they did not have control over the scheduling and that I desired to speak to someone who did so I could have my concerns directly heard and addressed. As a season ticket holder, booster, and alum, I do feel that Marquette should be willing to address me (and anyone else) about those concerns, especially as it is people like us that give them the funding to schedule these games in the first place.
I do feel Greska asked many of my questions. As I stated above, we were corresponding prior to the interview and Andrei knew my concerns going in. Some he asked, some he did not, but I do feel he did a nice job and asked what needed to be asked.
As far as Broeker's answers, I felt a lot of them were either stock answers or somewhat evasive. He commented on the difficulty of predicting teams years out, but these aren't teams that were just bad in 2015. Presbyterian has been sub-300 three straight years. Grambling has been sub-300 five straight years. Chicago State has been sub-300 four of the past five years. Stetson has been sub-250 four of the past five years. Maine, Jackson State, and San Jose State have been sub-250 four straight years. These aren't teams that are newly bad, they have a history of being bad. And yes, we share an arena, but Georgetown and St. John's share arenas as well, both of them managed 8 home dates with only 2 projected sub-300 teams. Further, saying that it's hard to predict teams that far out kind of flies in the face of the comment that it's also hard to schedule teams coming off a 13-win season. First, we have a long history of being good, but either you are scheduling in advance and can rely on our (as well as others') history, or you are scheduling short-term and you know what these teams did last year. It's contradictory.
I don't expect money back, but I would like some assurances that in the future I will get better value for my dollar. I love Marquette basketball, I love supporting it, but when they schedule 20 home dates and 40% of those are Marquette choosing to schedule bad opposition, it's disappointing. Again, this can be fixed by Marquette reaching back out to me when I attempt to contact them. Pick up the phone, send an email, whatever. Even if it's to tell me to stuff it, I'd prefer that than to feel like my concerns are simply going without acknowledgment.
Can I reasonably expect such assurances? I believe the answer is yes. If someone at Marquette was willing to take 5-10 minutes to call and say they understand my concerns, we did this for X, Y, and Z, and in the future we intend to do better, I would be willing to put my faith in that. I've had interactions with Mike Broeker, Joe True, and others associated with Marquette Athletics in the past and feel they have been fair and honest. If they are willing to say "hey, we know these opponents suck, but it's a one-off, we plan to do better in the future", it would go a long way toward assuaging my issues with this schedule.
Quote from: bilsu on December 03, 2015, 12:09:48 PM
The problem is not that we played Grambling St. The problem is that we are playing 6 or 7 other teams almost as bad as Grambling St.
I don't know that any team is "almost as bad as Grambling State" lol
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 03, 2015, 12:31:11 PM
I don't know that any team is "almost as bad as Grambling State" lol
They are a special breed of bad (which begs the question why they've been on the schedule three of the past seven years) but I definitely agree with bilsu that this is an excessively high number of very bad teams.
Brew, I hate to tell you, but I've worked with college athletics at four different universities, and I don't think a single one of them would return your call....and one of them competes at the D2 level. They might return it, but it wouldn't be a call from someone who actually has control or input to the scheduling. You have to be donating pretty big sums of money or be from the media to get that kind of access. And even then, you aren't going to get any more than what Broeker said in the PT article.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 03, 2015, 12:30:10 PM
In order...
I'd like the opportunity to express my concerns personally. On three occasions I was assured my call would be returned. I specifically told the people in the ticket office and athletic department secretaries that I knew they did not have control over the scheduling and that I desired to speak to someone who did so I could have my concerns directly heard and addressed. As a season ticket holder, booster, and alum, I do feel that Marquette should be willing to address me (and anyone else) about those concerns, especially as it is people like us that give them the funding to schedule these games in the first place.
I do feel Greska asked many of my questions. As I stated above, we were corresponding prior to the interview and Andrei knew my concerns going in. Some he asked, some he did not, but I do feel he did a nice job and asked what needed to be asked.
As far as Broeker's answers, I felt a lot of them were either stock answers or somewhat evasive. He commented on the difficulty of predicting teams years out, but these aren't teams that were just bad in 2015. Presbyterian has been sub-300 three straight years. Grambling has been sub-300 five straight years. Chicago State has been sub-300 four of the past five years. Stetson has been sub-250 four of the past five years. Maine, Jackson State, and San Jose State have been sub-250 four straight years. These aren't teams that are newly bad, they have a history of being bad. And yes, we share an arena, but Georgetown and St. John's share arenas as well, both of them managed 8 home dates with only 2 projected sub-300 teams. Further, saying that it's hard to predict teams that far out kind of flies in the face of the comment that it's also hard to schedule teams coming off a 13-win season. First, we have a long history of being good, but either you are scheduling in advance and can rely on our (as well as others') history, or you are scheduling short-term and you know what these teams did last year. It's contradictory.
I don't expect money back, but I would like some assurances that in the future I will get better value for my dollar. I love Marquette basketball, I love supporting it, but when they schedule 20 home dates and 40% of those are Marquette choosing to schedule bad opposition, it's disappointing. Again, this can be fixed by Marquette reaching back out to me when I attempt to contact them. Pick up the phone, send an email, whatever. Even if it's to tell me to stuff it, I'd prefer that than to feel like my concerns are simply going without acknowledgment.
Can I reasonably expect such assurances? I believe the answer is yes. If someone at Marquette was willing to take 5-10 minutes to call and say they understand my concerns, we did this for X, Y, and Z, and in the future we intend to do better, I would be willing to put my faith in that. I've had interactions with Mike Broeker, Joe True, and others associated with Marquette Athletics in the past and feel they have been fair and honest. If they are willing to say "hey, we know these opponents suck, but it's a one-off, we plan to do better in the future", it would go a long way toward assuaging my issues with this schedule.
Good, and comprehensive explanations. I can't disagree with your thoughts, but do feel that it is unrealistic to expect that the athletic department--no, someone who does have control over scheduling, which means it would need to be 1 of, maybe 2 or 3 people--to give you a personal call. I think that Broeker, by having the interview with Andrei realized that there were plenty of disapproving people, and was willing to reach out in a way that was efficient for the department. I think the issue is not that you haven't heard the reasons, it's that you don't accept them, and you feel justified in harping on it, because you think they could've done and should do better.
Which gets to the word I bolded and italicized above...
better: Doing better in the future can mean different things to different people. Indeed, there are plenty of people who feel that the weak schedule this year is better for the development of the team. There are people who think better could mean the 'draw' of the opponent should be stronger, though that could mean more losses for the team. I imagine, too, that someone is concerned about the potential impact on future season ticket sales, and so has yet another perspective. Better to one person may not be better to another.
Anyway, it's not a situation we can solve, and no doubt the athletic department is well aware of the many points of view. Time to let it go.
Regarding Heldt, I think the fact he isn't quite ready is the main reason we should see him more in these games. Our success this season will depend on Luke staying healthy, so Wojo should sit Luke once the game is in hand and let Heldt get some more PT. Luke sat the last 10 min. or so last night after we were already up about 30, but he played to the end of the Jackson State game, which made me nervous.
Quote from: mujivitz06 on December 03, 2015, 11:36:16 AM
Don't you realize that would serve to hurt the program more than it would help?
If you aren't loyal to the program in thick or thin you aren't a good fan IMO.
I've been a season ticket holder for 10 years since I was 16 years old. I haven't missed a home game in that time frame. I have been "loyal to the program". I just want to see a better product.
Also, all I said was that I would consider not renewing my tickets. I'm sure I will be a season ticket holder until the day that I no longer live in Wisconsin.
Quote from: mug644 on December 03, 2015, 12:50:45 PM
Good, and comprehensive explanations. I can't disagree with your thoughts, but do feel that it is unrealistic to expect that the athletic department--no, someone who does have control over scheduling, which means it would need to be 1 of, maybe 2 or 3 people--to give you a personal call. I think that Broeker, by having the interview with Andrei realized that there were plenty of disapproving people, and was willing to reach out in a way that was efficient for the department. I think the issue is not that you haven't heard the reasons, it's that you don't accept them, and you feel justified in harping on it, because you think they could've done and should do better.
Which gets to the word I bolded and italicized above...better: Doing better in the future can mean different things to different people. Indeed, there are plenty of people who feel that the weak schedule this year is better for the development of the team. There are people who think better could mean the 'draw' of the opponent should be stronger, though that could mean more losses for the team. I imagine, too, that someone is concerned about the potential impact on future season ticket salea, and so has yet another perspective. Better to one person may not be better to another.
Anyway, it's not a situation we can solve, and no doubt the athletic department is well aware of the many points of view. Time to let it go.
Much of this is based on my past interactions. I've received those calls in the past as well as emails regarding various topics, and did receive them from the people at or near the top. I sent another email today to both Broeker and Scholl and did receive a response. I had other questions that I spoke with Andrei about that I hoped to get answers to. As far as Greska's interview, he had that planned before the schedule was released (as I recall the interview was actually delayed, which gave Greska more time to prepare schedule-related questions).
Maybe it's rare that I've received responses in the past, but considering a portion of my STH fees go to schedule these games, I think it's fair to be able to have an open dialogue with the department. I've definitely made my thoughts clear here and don't plan to continue griping in this forum, but the title of the thread is "Grambling thoughts", and these were the bulk of my thoughts last night during and immediately after the game. When it was (I think) 26-2, my wife turned to me and said "I can't believe you actually wanted to come to this." At that point, all I could think was "I have five more games of this nature, how on earth will I get anyone to come to those?"
I truly apologize for venting a bit on here, but it bubbled up a bit last night. At the end of the day, I hope this does help the team and that the improved ability to block shots and hit threes in the past week translates when it comes to conference play.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 03, 2015, 12:41:40 PM
Brew, I hate to tell you, but I've worked with college athletics at four different universities, and I don't think a single one of them would return your call....and one of them competes at the D2 level. They might return it, but it wouldn't be a call from someone who actually has control or input to the scheduling. You have to be donating pretty big sums of money or be from the media to get that kind of access. And even then, you aren't going to get any more than what Broeker said in the PT article.
As I mentioned above, I've received those calls and emails before. Maybe Marquette operates differently, maybe those occurrences were anomalies, but I've never felt like I was banging my head against the wall looking for a response before like I have since the schedule was fully released.
Agree will Bilsu, it's the sheer number of sub 250 games.
If anyone wants my Maine tix, just PM me. I would love to get them to a good home.
Quote from: The Lens on December 03, 2015, 01:10:10 PM
Agree will Bilsu, it's the sheer number of sub 250 games.
If anyone wants my Maine tix, just PM me. I would love to get them to a good home.
PM Sent if still available
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 03, 2015, 01:05:30 PM
When it was (I think) 26-2, my wife turned to me and said "I can't believe you actually wanted to come to this." At that point, all I could think was "I have five more games of this nature, how on earth will I get anyone to come to those?"
Offer them to friends with grade schoolers. I typically take my twin first graders to these no-name games and they LOVE them. We have a blast and they think it's great that MU always wins.
They plan to play at MU together "like the Ellenson brothers" (not holding my breath on that one), they tell their Aunt Tracey all about her name-sake ;), and think it's SO cool that Duane Wilson went to HS a few blocks from our house. It also helps that parking is easy and I'm not overly focused on the blowout taking place on the floor...oh, and we typically leave night games early.
It also helps that we can go from our seats at the BC to our couch in under 20 minutes. If I was driving in from Waukesha or Racine or the glow/chick burbs, I'd probably be less excited about watching two-thirds of a blowout.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on December 03, 2015, 01:25:47 PM
It also helps that we can go from our seats at the BC to our couch in under 20 minutes. If I was driving in from Waukesha or Racine or the glow/chick burbs, I'd probably be less excited about watching two-thirds of a blowout.
Ha! MU basketball is about the only way I keep chick in the frozen north! Plus on most nights we get to see one or both of the kids, always a bonus once they moved away.
Quote from: jsglow on December 03, 2015, 01:35:42 PM
Ha! MU basketball is about the only way I keep chick in the frozen north! Plus on most nights we get to see one or both of the kids, always a bonus once they moved away.
The empty nester problem is real. Sister is going to be a freshman next year and I don't think mom and dad Chitown are looking forward to it.
I wouldn't be so sure. One big benefit for empty nesters: no more silent sex.
Quote from: MU86NC on December 02, 2015, 11:36:49 PM
Don't by the tickets... Your r an idiot!
I love the internet.
Quote from: djorling on December 03, 2015, 02:08:47 PM
I wouldn't be so sure. One big benefit for empty nesters: no more silent sex.
Which really only becomes a problem when said empty nesters feel the need to express that to their children. You kept it quiet for years, no need to tell us how things have changed since we left! >:(
Quote from: jsglow on December 03, 2015, 07:08:48 AM
Chick and I went to the game not to worry about the opponent but to see the continuing development of our young team. The ball moved crisply on offense and the shots fell. We were entertained and made it back to suburban Chicago before 11.
On Saturday against Maine, my guess is there will be lots of young kids in attendance. Well you know what? When I was 7-8 years old I wasn't particularly interested in the opponent. I just wanted a chance to see Thompson and Meminger play. So my dad would get Irv Stauber's tickets and we'd go. Brew, I hope that you can find a situation like that and support a young Warrior if you choose to skip a few.
I am of the belief that a sugar fix in the form of a cupcake is a good idea for any team, to get its bearings straight and to see what it has. I never have seen a year without a couple on the schedule.
Look, I'm on record in here as saying big teams play big teams and cupcakes play cupcakes for most of their schedule. Yes, I'd like to see home and home with North Carolina, Kentucky, Duke, Kansas etc. But this year, we would get our clocks cleaned and we'd be longing for a couple of Iowa games. We need most of these cupcakes to prepare for the Big East season, which is what we're really about.
In the end, JS Glow and Chick are right -- go or don't go, but don't let the tickets go to waste. Give them to a young person or young family. Or a co-worker who likes basketball and has worked hard for you. Acknowledge that this year we need cupcakes and hope next year we waste some really big, really good schools in the pre-conference schedule.
Quote from: Marquette_g on December 03, 2015, 10:53:43 AM
I don't believe we should force playing Matt or Sacar, but to say "they are free to leave" as though we shouldn't care is something I disagree with. Certainly they are free to do as they please, but the constant transfers are part of the reason we are young (this year) or thin (last year) - and those are not isolated instances. Some transfers are going to happen, but I'd much prefer the stability that comes with players growing in the system.
A lot of that transfer stink is on Bert
Quote from: keefe on December 04, 2015, 12:50:32 AM
A lot of that transfer stink is on Bert
Ners begs to differ
Quote from: keefe on December 04, 2015, 12:50:32 AM
A lot of that transfer stink is on Bert
There was a lot of transfer stink under Crean, too. Wojo in his first year also had 2 of Buzz's recruits leave, as well as one of his own. I can't find the it right now, but I seem to recall that around 40% of D-1 basketball players transfer. Just the way of it today.
Another thing to remember when it comes to scheduling is that, in the mind of the average MU fan, Grambling, Maine, Belmont, IUPUI, Jackson St, etc are all small, no-name programs that MU should roll. Presbyterian could be bringing everyone back from a top-20 RPI team and they'd still be viewed as a cupcake by most.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 03, 2015, 12:41:40 PM
Brew, I hate to tell you, but I've worked with college athletics at four different universities, and I don't think a single one of them would return your call....and one of them competes at the D2 level. They might return it, but it wouldn't be a call from someone who actually has control or input to the scheduling. You have to be donating pretty big sums of money or be from the media to get that kind of access. And even then, you aren't going to get any more than what Broeker said in the PT article.
Well, they certainly know how to pick up the phone when they want donations?
nm
Quote from: tower912 on December 04, 2015, 07:36:25 AM
There was a lot of transfer stink under Crean, too. Wojo in his first year also had 2 of Buzz's recruits leave, as well as one of his own. I can't find the it right now, but I seem to recall that around 40% of D-1 basketball players transfer. Just the way of it today.
The 3 transfers ( Burton, Dawson and Taylor ) were all Buzz's guys.
Quote from: Nukem2 on December 04, 2015, 10:15:56 AM
The 3 transfers ( Burton, Dawson and Taylor ) were all Buzz's guys.
He may have been referring to Gabe Levin.
Quote from: barfolomew on December 04, 2015, 10:38:05 AM
He may have been referring to Gabe Levin.
Ah yes. The transfer guy who got wind of Henry Ellenson and took the first stagecoach back to CA.
Quote from: 79Warrior on December 04, 2015, 09:56:49 AM
Well, they certainly know how to pick up the phone when they want donations?
Scholl, Broeker, and Wojo call you for donations? I just get phonathan students.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 04, 2015, 12:00:08 PM
Scholl, Broeker, and Wojo call you for donations? I just get phonathan students.
I actually got a call from Tom Crean. He said he was calling to raise money for the Marquette Soccer Stadium. He would throw in a pair of IU shorts if I gave at least $100
Quote from: Nukem2 on December 04, 2015, 10:15:56 AM
The 3 transfers ( Burton, Dawson and Taylor ) were all Buzz's guys.
Shoot. I forgot Taylor. Burton, Dawson, Levin, Taylor. The larger point is that transfers are becoming the norm and not the exception.
Quote from: keefe on December 04, 2015, 01:52:07 PM
I actually got a call from Tom Crean. He said he was calling to raise money for the Marquette Soccer Stadium. He would throw in a pair of IU shorts if I gave at least $100
I usually roll my eyes at TC jokes but this one made me chuckle
Quote from: keefe on December 04, 2015, 01:52:07 PM
I actually got a call from Tom Crean. He said he was calling to raise money for the Marquette Soccer Stadium. He would throw in a pair of IU shorts if I gave at least $100
If I were a basketball investor, I would short IU!
Deonte's transfer hurt and hurts my soul.