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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: HoopsterBC on November 21, 2015, 12:03:22 AM

Title: Recruiting
Post by: HoopsterBC on November 21, 2015, 12:03:22 AM
After watching the Iowa game, I am curious what type of player Wojo needs to get with the last scholarship available in spring.  I have come to the conclusion it does
not matter as there are weaknesses everywhere.  I would say MU needs to become quicker, so it has to be a scoring point guard.  Hanif can play wing with Hauser
since he looks like he can shoot the ball.  Secondly, for sure Rowsey needs to play.  But a tough point guard who can defend is key.  Sort of has to be a junior college
kid with some experience or grad student.  It will be a long year with the points they have now.  I happened to turn on the last 8 minutes of that game last night, and
saw 2 fast breaks, JJJ had an open pass to a teammate as did Carter, both did not give up the ball.  Until they get out of me first scoring and become unselfish this might
be a long season, longer then you thought.  Finally, the talk of Henry going pro is ridiculous.  He barely can play D, physically not tough, trouble scoring against players
his own height and is not close to be an offensive treat low, and 3's so far, not there.  They draft kids with potential, but a GM would have to have his head examined taking him as a lottery pick, he will be in the D league pretty quickly, much like Sam.  Who is better, Hayes, Uthoff, or Henry, I think Henry's game is not even close to
those guys.
Title: Re: Recruiting
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 21, 2015, 01:27:24 AM
We will have very few, if any weaknesses next year if Wojo manages to keep this team together. If Henry stays, which is a big if, we will lose nobody. Add Rowsey, Hauser, potentially another player, and a year of seasoning for everyone else, thats a top 20 team there.
Title: Re: Recruiting
Post by: HoopsterBC on November 21, 2015, 08:38:23 AM
After watching the Iowa game there better be more chemistry with the team, if not, I do not see it.  Henry is slightly overated, he will have to become a much better
offensive player than I have seen so far.  He can get all the shots he wants, but he has to put it the basket.  The team so far as shown no ability to defend.  I watched
most of the Big East teams so far, and there are no easy wins except maybe St. Johns.  The better teams will eat this team up.  As much as I was never in love with the last few teams, they played some D and were much more physical.  Luke and Henry will have to become tougher inside.
Title: Re: Recruiting
Post by: brewcity77 on November 21, 2015, 12:25:44 PM
This past offseason, I felt we had two glaring needs. A veteran PG and some grit inside. I feel we have the same two needs now. For next year, the question becomes if Duane, Rowsey, or Traci can play that PG role and if Fischer (and HE, if he stays) will develop the grit inside.

In theory, we should have enough shooters (adding Rowsey and Hauser) and we have plenty of wings, but a steady hand to run the point and toughness inside is needed just as much for next year as it is on this team right now.
Title: Re: Recruiting
Post by: bilsu on November 21, 2015, 12:34:42 PM
Although I think Haanif might be better now, the future at point guard is Carter over Haanif.
Title: Re: Recruiting
Post by: forgetful on November 21, 2015, 03:39:30 PM
Quote from: HoopsterBC on November 21, 2015, 12:03:22 AM
After watching the Iowa game, I am curious what type of player Wojo needs to get with the last scholarship available in spring.  I have come to the conclusion it does
not matter as there are weaknesses everywhere.  I would say MU needs to become quicker, so it has to be a scoring point guard.  Hanif can play wing with Hauser
since he looks like he can shoot the ball.  Secondly, for sure Rowsey needs to play.  But a tough point guard who can defend is key.  Sort of has to be a junior college
kid with some experience or grad student.  It will be a long year with the points they have now.  I happened to turn on the last 8 minutes of that game last night, and
saw 2 fast breaks, JJJ had an open pass to a teammate as did Carter, both did not give up the ball.  Until they get out of me first scoring and become unselfish this might
be a long season, longer then you thought. 
Finally, the talk of Henry going pro is ridiculous.  He barely can play D, physically not tough, trouble scoring against players
his own height and is not close to be an offensive treat low, and 3's so far, not there.  They draft kids with potential, but a GM would have to have his head examined taking him as a lottery pick, he will be in the D league pretty quickly, much like Sam.  Who is better, Hayes, Uthoff, or Henry, I think Henry's game is not even close to
those guys.

In regards to the bolded, it may not be a selfishness issue, but rather a coaching issue.  Not saying Wojo is coaching them wrong, rather in one of the games the announcers emphasized that there was a rule change that favors the ball handler on such drives.

They commented that we will see players take the initiative more to take advantage of the rule.  Not saying that is the issue and I really didn't understand what the rule change was, but the announcer certainly mentioned it (I believe on a fast break with Cohen).
Title: Re: Recruiting
Post by: Herman Cain on November 21, 2015, 04:04:23 PM
Quote from: HoopsterBC on November 21, 2015, 12:03:22 AM
After watching the Iowa game, I am curious what type of player Wojo needs to get with the last scholarship available in spring.  I have come to the conclusion it does
not matter as there are weaknesses everywhere.  I would say MU needs to become quicker, so it has to be a scoring point guard.  Hanif can play wing with Hauser
since he looks like he can shoot the ball.  Secondly, for sure Rowsey needs to play.  But a tough point guard who can defend is key.  Sort of has to be a junior college
kid with some experience or grad student.  It will be a long year with the points they have now.  I happened to turn on the last 8 minutes of that game last night, and
saw 2 fast breaks, JJJ had an open pass to a teammate as did Carter, both did not give up the ball.  Until they get out of me first scoring and become unselfish this might
be a long season, longer then you thought.  Finally, the talk of Henry going pro is ridiculous.  He barely can play D, physically not tough, trouble scoring against players
his own height and is not close to be an offensive treat low, and 3's so far, not there.  They draft kids with potential, but a GM would have to have his head examined taking him as a lottery pick, he will be in the D league pretty quickly, much like Sam.  Who is better, Hayes, Uthoff, or Henry, I think Henry's game is not even close to
those guys.

I disagree with the analysis with respect to JJJ and fast breaks. He has been excellent on fast breaks, gets to the hole and when ever some one else is open he makes the pass. Frequently, while in the air. We want him driving the ball and we don't want him shooting 3s. I think that is what Wojo has encouraged.

On the other hand yes, Carter does nothing but shoot first. He needs to be taught to look for the open man. As does Henry. 
Title: Re: Recruiting
Post by: jesmu84 on November 21, 2015, 04:09:07 PM
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on November 21, 2015, 04:04:23 PM
I disagree with the analysis with respect to JJJ and fast breaks. He has been excellent on fast breaks, gets to the hole and when ever some one else is open he makes the pass. Frequently, while in the air. We want him driving the ball and we don't want him shooting 3s. I think that is what Wojo has encouraged.

On the other hand yes, Carter does nothing but shoot first. He needs to be taught to look for the open man. As does Henry.

Unwavering support for JJJ? Must be Ners
Title: Re: Recruiting
Post by: Herman Cain on November 21, 2015, 04:29:22 PM
Quote from: jesmu84 on November 21, 2015, 04:09:07 PM
Unwavering support for JJJ? Must be Ners
JJJ had a good game. Give the kid some credit. He peformed poorly in the IUPUI and sat on the bench.  I think Wojo and JJJ are finding common ground.
Title: Re: Recruiting
Post by: Dawson Rental on November 22, 2015, 09:52:15 PM
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 21, 2015, 12:25:44 PM
This past offseason, I felt we had two glaring needs. A veteran PG and some grit inside. I feel we have the same two needs now. For next year, the question becomes if Duane, Rowsey, or Traci can play that PG role and if Fischer (and HE, if he stays) will develop the grit inside.

In theory, we should have enough shooters (adding Rowsey and Hauser) and we have plenty of wings, but a steady hand to run the point and toughness inside is needed just as much for next year as it is on this team right now.

The Duane at PG train left the station some time ago.....
Title: Re: Recruiting
Post by: brewcity77 on November 23, 2015, 07:36:21 AM
Quote from: HoopsterBC on November 21, 2015, 12:03:22 AMAfter watching the Iowa game, I am curious what type of player Wojo needs to get with the last scholarship available in spring. I have come to the conclusion it does not matter as there are weaknesses everywhere.  I would say MU needs to become quicker, so it has to be a scoring point guard.  Hanif can play wing with Hauser since he looks like he can shoot the ball.  Secondly, for sure Rowsey needs to play.  But a tough point guard who can defend is key.  Sort of has to be a junior college kid with some experience or grad student.

Two thoughts...first, totally missed this complete contradiction. It doesn't matter, but it has to be a scoring point ;D

Quote from: Crean to Ann Arbor on November 22, 2015, 09:52:15 PMThe Duane at PG train left the station some time ago.....

And while the staff may not want to go that route, it seems like maybe the only option this year. I definitely think they ultimately want him off the ball, but if this year's team is going to be competitive, it sure doesn't look like Haanif (clearly a wing) or Traci (shows flashes but not ready) are the answer. And if Duane did happen to really take to the role, maybe keep him there until someone takes it from him.
Title: Re: Recruiting
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 23, 2015, 09:05:27 AM
Haanif needs work to become a pg but he seems to have the intangibles necessary. I am willing to give him some time. I really don't like Duane at point
Title: Re: Recruiting
Post by: HoopsterBC on November 23, 2015, 09:19:27 AM
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 23, 2015, 07:36:21 AM
Two thoughts...first, totally missed this complete contradiction. It doesn't matter, but it has to be a scoring point ;D

And while the staff may not want to go that route, it seems like maybe the only option this year. I definitely think they ultimately want him off the ball, but if this year's team is going to be competitive, it sure doesn't look like Haanif (clearly a wing) or Traci (shows flashes but not ready) are the answer. And if Duane did happen to really take to the role, maybe keep him there until someone takes it from him.

Brew, when it comes to understanding the english langauge, I might have fallen down a little in English class, a little.  Did not go to MU, so maybe that was my
downfall, sorry.
Title: Re: Recruiting
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 23, 2015, 09:35:55 AM
Save the lost schollie for a graduate transfer.  And expand your pool of players beyond the top 2 guys.

I am always for going to the top first, but this team really needed a grad transfer or JUCO. Plenty of useful guys out there. Man would Damion Lee look good...19 ppg so far.
Title: Re: Recruiting
Post by: HoopsterBC on November 23, 2015, 09:43:33 AM
I agree, they need somebody with a little experience, they are not getting a 5 star frosh this late in the game, so a 1 year grad would be the final puzzle piece.   If
not a point,  a strong 6' 8" forward who can play inside and out.
Title: Re: Recruiting
Post by: JakeBarnes on November 23, 2015, 09:50:02 AM
Short of recruiting Bird, Jordan and Magic in their primes, there is no hope for Marquette in the next 100 years. We should all just pack it in.
Title: Re: Recruiting
Post by: Litehouse on November 23, 2015, 10:05:52 AM
I still don't get the advantages of playing Duane off the ball.  He's not a catch-and-shoot 2 guard, which is what he seems to be doing this year, catching kick-out passes and jacking up 3s.  I'd rather have the ball in his hands attacking and breaking down the defense.  Then he can dish it off or take it to the hoop, which is what's he's better suited for.
Title: Re: Recruiting
Post by: brewcity77 on November 23, 2015, 10:34:21 AM
Quote from: HoopsterBC on November 23, 2015, 09:19:27 AM
Brew, when it comes to understanding the english langauge, I might have fallen down a little in English class, a little.  Did not go to MU, so maybe that was my
downfall, sorry.

No worries at all, just re-read it today and it made me chuckle :D

I agree with your assessment of needing a true PG or a bit of a grinder forward. I truly hope that Traci can become that PG, and maybe as sophomores him and Haanif will be able to handle 40 minutes at the point. But even if Henry stays, we still need someone who is a bit more of a dirty-work guy up front. The staff definitely tried to find a transfer who would be eligible in 2016 to take that role, both Kyle Washington and Austin Nichols would have fit that role, but they missed out. Not sure there's anyone here now (or coming) that will be able to really do the dirty work. This team needs some grit and toughness down low.
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