Whatever happened here? Allegedly was offered by Memphis & ISU in summer. Who knows if they are commitable.
247 over reacted and have him a top 25ish ranking. And since dropped him to #48 nationally.
I get he is raw & is all upside. But shocks me how silent his recruitment has been. Anyone hearing anything?
Didn't start for Dominican...lackluster summer...questions about academics.
Definition of raw. I don't think Dominican is a good place for him; just seems like a lack of teaching/development. Watched him many times over last two years in AAU, HS, summer and fall leagues. Loves to try to drive around guys and if/when he is stopped or there is no progress, he chucks up a step/back 3. Any kid playing like that on a well-coached team would be yanked. Absolutely no sense of team ball. All that being said, he is an amazing athlete and certainly looks the part. Like his brother, he can eurostep from three point line and posterize guys. I just don't know if he will be a valuable until late in college, if ever.
It sounds like reality is finally settling in on Kostas. The smart thing, I think, would be a post grad year. All the hype may very well have been to his determent, if it convinced him that he was further along than he really was.
Hearing?... we have seen.
LOVE his length.
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 12, 2015, 10:42:18 PM
Hearing?... we have seen.
LOVE his length.
Don't get me wrong, seen him dozens of times on PGE & Dominican. I'm saying his recruitment. Anyone hearing anything? Seems to be quiet for a top 50 senior down the street
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on November 12, 2015, 11:04:24 PM
Don't get me wrong, seen him dozens of times on PGE & Dominican. I'm saying his recruitment. Anyone hearing anything? Seems to be quiet for a top 50 senior down the street
Wat?
Whatever method helped you conclude he's a top 50 guy is flawed.
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 12, 2015, 11:10:00 PM
Wat?
Whatever method helped you conclude he's a top 50 guy is flawed.
Your slippin tonight. 247 has had him top 25-50 all summer. Currently #48 (and overrated).
http://247sports.com/Player/Kostas-Antetokounmpo-81333
This thread was just seeing if any new recruiting news came about over the last couple months. Not about his skill set.
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on November 12, 2015, 11:15:56 PM
Your slippin tonight. 247 has had him top 25-50 all summer. Currently #48 (and overrated).
http://247sports.com/Player/Kostas-Antetokounmpo-81333
You're vs. your. But, no, I'm not slippin. I ax'd what method got You to that conclusion. Treating 247 as reasonable is your flaw.
Back the the original question, is any D-1 recruiting him now?
I agree his probably not a top 100 recruit but my gut feeling is we are going to look back and be like how did we miss on this guy. I heard he's up to 6'10" now and athletic guys that big don't grow on trees. Also look at how strong Giannis got this year (what would be his junior year in college) I'm ok with sitting on Kostas for two years and hoping he gets it together as beast junior and senior. I like the development approach versus getting too many guys who think they should play and end up transferring.
We really need to recruit to some height.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on November 13, 2015, 10:07:57 AM
I agree his probably not a top 100 recruit but my gut feeling is we are going to look back and be like how did we miss on this guy. I heard he's up to 6'10" now and athletic guys that big don't grow on trees. Also look at how strong Giannis got this year (what would be his junior year in college) I'm ok with sitting on Kostas for two years and hoping he gets it together as beast junior and senior. I like the development approach versus getting too many guys who think they should play and end up transferring.
Yeah he's tall and athletic. But he's not his brother.
Look he is a 2016 guy who isn't getting much buzz at all. I mean, he could sign an LOI right now if he wanted to, and there is nothing going on. My guess is that we will have another opportunity anyway cause my guess is that he goes to prep school next year.
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on November 12, 2015, 11:19:27 PM
This thread was just seeing if any new recruiting news came about over the last couple months. Not about his skill set.
Looks like coming here just got you condescended upon by JB.
Quote from: bilsu on November 13, 2015, 10:21:07 AM
We really need to recruit to some height.
I prefer basketball players. As Freeport said, he has no idea what to do on the court.
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 12, 2015, 11:42:10 PM
You're vs. your. But, no, I'm not slippin. I ax'd what method got You to that conclusion. Treating 247 as reasonable is your flaw.
R-e-l-a-x. Holy crap lol
Kostas seems like the type of player who will end up at a second tier program in a major conference (think DePaul, Az St, Auburn, even VTech) that is willing to take a chance on a 6'10" uber-athlete, give him early PT and hope that he becomes a superstar...or could watch him end up being just be a frustrating 6'10" uber-athlete.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on November 13, 2015, 10:33:44 AM
Yeah he's tall and athletic. But he's not his brother.
Look he is a 2016 guy who isn't getting much buzz at all. I mean, he could sign an LOI right now if he wanted to, and there is nothing going on. My guess is that we will have another opportunity anyway cause my guess is that he goes to prep school next year.
Prep school could very well be the best for all concerned, particularly if Kostas would like to stay close to Giannis in Milwaukee. An extra year to develop should illustrate his capacity to learn the game and give both Kostas and MU an opportunity to see which way Ellenson will go next year.
I'm not suggesting that Kostas will be ready to step in for HE in 2016-17, that would take tremendous growth, but it would open up a scholarship and create a need for additional height.
If Henry stays, sign Kostas and red-shirt him, betting that proper coaching can turn the uber-athlete into a player. If Henry is going, MU can't afford to not some ready-to-play size.
Never seen him. Don't know if he's any good or will ever be any good. But he's got a 20 or 21 year old brother playing in the NBA, he's legit 6'10"" and you guys say he's an "uber athlete". Sounds like a reasonabl gamble to me.
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 12, 2015, 10:42:18 PM
Hearing?... we have seen.
LOVE his length.
You would LOVE that, wouldn't you...
Quote from: Freeport Warrior on November 12, 2015, 06:43:05 PM
Definition of raw. I don't think Dominican is a good place for him; just seems like a lack of teaching/development. Watched him many times over last two years in AAU, HS, summer and fall leagues. Loves to try to drive around guys and if/when he is stopped or there is no progress, he chucks up a step/back 3. Any kid playing like that on a well-coached team would be yanked. Absolutely no sense of team ball. All that being said, he is an amazing athlete and certainly looks the part. Like his brother, he can eurostep from three point line and posterize guys. I just don't know if he will be a valuable until late in college, if ever.
Dominican had good coaching under Wollersheim. His replacement seems to just roll the ball out on the court. Duane Wilson and Diamond Stone developed nicely under Wollersheim.
Quote from: brandx on November 13, 2015, 10:56:43 AM
I prefer basketball players. As Freeport said, he has no idea what to do on the court.
That may very well be true, but he's still in high school. He doesn't have to be a refined player at this point.
Get him with MU's staff for a couple of years and see what happens. Seems like a reasonable risk.
Worst case, you get yourself a taller Trend Blackledge for a year or two and then hope he develops into something more as a junior and senior. If he doesn't, chances are he'll tire of riding the end of the bench and transfer somewhere more aligned with his skill level.
Quote from: Nukem2 on November 13, 2015, 12:33:18 PM
Dominican had good coaching under Wollersheim. His replacement seems to just roll the ball out on the court. Duane Wilson and Diamond Stone developed nicely under Wollersheim.
Spot on. And Wilson and Stone were on the circuit with good programs since grade school as well.
Not currently being recruited by MU, will most likely go to JC and will be an NBA player.
Quote from: bilsu on December 22, 2015, 04:03:03 PM
Not currently being recruited by MU, will most likely go to JC and will be an NBA player.
^^^^This guy gets it.
Seriously, though, I thought I heard he went to a SJU camp and that had interest in him while I was watching a Bucks game that Mullin attended. Maybe I heard it wrong or they inflated the interest. Is he thinking the JC route?
I was told JC most likely.
Quote from: bilsu on December 22, 2015, 06:54:39 PM
I was told JC most likely.
Why is that? Not ready for big-time ball or is it an eligibility issue? Just curious.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on December 23, 2015, 08:39:29 AM
Why is that? Not ready for big-time ball or is it an eligibility issue? Just curious.
He's not ready for high major basketball. But this is the first I had heard about going JUCO. Last I had heard, they were looking at prep schools.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on December 23, 2015, 08:39:29 AM
Why is that? Not ready for big-time ball or is it an eligibility issue? Just curious.
I did not ask, but my gut feeling it was he was not ready for big-time ball.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?sns=fb&v=G6HAR4UK_ek
19/10 and an ugly game winning fadeaway. I get that he is probably 3 years away from being big east talent but I really think he's going to be a guy we regret slipping away. Also has a younger brother. Gotta keep the tradition alive.
Also was at the game tonight.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on December 30, 2015, 09:54:17 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?sns=fb&v=G6HAR4UK_ek
19/10 and an ugly game winning fadeaway. I get that he is probably 3 years away from being big east talent but I really think he's going to be a guy we regret slipping away. Also has a younger brother. Gotta keep the tradition alive.
What tradition would that be?
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on December 30, 2015, 09:55:02 PM
What tradition would that be?
Being optimistic. Ellenson, hauser, antemoumpko...
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on December 30, 2015, 09:54:17 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?sns=fb&v=G6HAR4UK_ek
19/10 and an ugly game winning fadeaway. I get that he is probably 3 years away from being big east talent but I really think he's going to be a guy we regret slipping away. Also has a younger brother. Gotta keep the tradition alive.
Also was at the game tonight.
He's got a ton of potential, but you are right, 3 years away from being Big East ready. It would be great if we could stash him at St. John's for a year.
let's see-JC then transfer to a decent/good program under the radar, then...sounds familiar heyna?
may come down to work ethic and teachability and sibling rivalry
Zags: St. John's working on an official visit for Kostas Antetokounmpo, Greek Freak No. 3, per source.
14 points on 5/8 shooting last game. Not really tearing it up in the lower leagues.
http://www.scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/story/1632824-high-majors-track-kostas-antetokounmpo
(http://www.scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/story/1632824-high-majors-track-kostas-antetokounmpo)
Looks SJU is the leader as of today
Kostas would be very helpful to our program in the long term. I am sure we are holding the one scholarship we have for Markus Howard. But if that falls through, then we really need to take a serious look at Kostas.
@CycloneInsiders (not the most legit source I would presume?):
Sources are indicating that 4 star PF Kostas Antetokounmpo is "leaning on Iowa State" and is set to make his commitment in the near 3 days
Kostas is a 3 year project, right now Wojo can not afford to take him as he needs a big right now that can play right now, whomever it is probably will start and one
for Marcus Howard.
So he's good enough for the big 12 but not for big east. Makes sense.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on January 20, 2016, 05:39:06 PM
So he's good enough for the big 12 but not for big east.
So was Yous Mbao good enough for the Big East because he committed to MU?
Kostas has a ton of potential, but is a ways away from being a productive college player. If MU strikes out on Howard and has room for him, I'd take him and redshirt him. But the guys Wojo is looking at now are to help the team next season.
I just don't want a situation where we let him slip away and we end up giving a walk-on the available scholarship when someone inevitably leaves. I see why he's not on our priority list but 6'11" guys that can move don't grow on trees.
Wonder if Giannis/his agent pulled some strings with Nike on this one. Either way, it will be a great experience for him going against some big time competition.
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/2016-Nike-Hoop-Summit-International-Roster-Breakdown-5402
Kostas Antetokounmpo is the younger brother of Giannis and Thanasis, following them to the United States after Giannis was drafted by the Bucks, and currently residing in Milwaukee. Kostas will be Portland, though, barring an injury or late roster withdrawal, it is unclear at the moment if he will ultimately participate in the Hoop Summit game itself, as he is designated as the 13th player on the roster. A senior at Dominican in Whitefish Bay, Wisconsin, Antetokounmpo is considering a number of high major offers.
Not all that unlike Giannis at the same stage, he is a late bloomer physically who sprouted up a few inches late in his high school career, and whose defense is currently ahead of his defense. The 6'10 small forward will participate in the practice sessions, giving him a chance to test his length and budding skill set alongside a loaded roster, in a very competitive setting. Considering the amount of NBA teams who will be present in the practice sessions, Kostas can help himself tremendously with a strong showing in the practices.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on March 24, 2016, 03:35:20 PM
Wonder if Giannis/his agent pulled some strings with Nike on this one. Either way, it will be a great experience for him going against some big time competition.
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/2016-Nike-Hoop-Summit-International-Roster-Breakdown-5402
Kostas Antetokounmpo is the younger brother of Giannis and Thanasis, following them to the United States after Giannis was drafted by the Bucks, and currently residing in Milwaukee. Kostas will be Portland, though, barring an injury or late roster withdrawal, it is unclear at the moment if he will ultimately participate in the Hoop Summit game itself, as he is designated as the 13th player on the roster. A senior at Dominican in Whitefish Bay, Wisconsin, Antetokounmpo is considering a number of high major offers.
Not all that unlike Giannis at the same stage, he is a late bloomer physically who sprouted up a few inches late in his high school career, and whose defense is currently ahead of his defense. The 6'10 small forward will participate in the practice sessions, giving him a chance to test his length and budding skill set alongside a loaded roster, in a very competitive setting. Considering the amount of NBA teams who will be present in the practice sessions, Kostas can help himself tremendously with a strong showing in the practices.
It's good that his defense is ahead of his defense.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on March 24, 2016, 04:01:01 PM
It's good that his defense is ahead of his defense.
But in defense of his defense, his defense has been improving.
Aka no defense, ai na?
If his defense is ahead of his defense, does that mean his offense offends?
The best defense is a good defensive offense-ayn'a
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on March 24, 2016, 03:35:20 PM
Wonder if Giannis/his agent pulled some strings with Nike on this one. Either way, it will be a great experience for him going against some big time competition.
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/2016-Nike-Hoop-Summit-International-Roster-Breakdown-5402
Kostas Antetokounmpo is the younger brother of Giannis and Thanasis, following them to the United States after Giannis was drafted by the Bucks, and currently residing in Milwaukee. Kostas will be Portland, though, barring an injury or late roster withdrawal, it is unclear at the moment if he will ultimately participate in the Hoop Summit game itself, as he is designated as the 13th player on the roster. A senior at Dominican in Whitefish Bay, Wisconsin, Antetokounmpo is considering a number of high major offers.
Not all that unlike Giannis at the same stage, he is a late bloomer physically who sprouted up a few inches late in his high school career, and whose defense is currently ahead of his defense. The 6'10 small forward will participate in the practice sessions, giving him a chance to test his length and budding skill set alongside a loaded roster, in a very competitive setting. Considering the amount of NBA teams who will be present in the practice sessions, Kostas can help himself tremendously with a strong showing in the practices.
Even if he gets embarrassed?
I don't see how this happens without some strings being pulled and probably someone footing the bill for Nike. The fact that he's an extra on the roster speaks volumes. I believe that any positive move by Kostas for his future will involve patience rather than forcing himself into a move up in class. I hope that that is what ultimately happens. I do expect him to be a very good player someday, I just think that he will be more likely to get there and get there sooner, by allowing himself sufficient time to develop.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on March 24, 2016, 04:16:00 PM
But in defense of his defense, his defense has been improving.
I agree, in the past he couldn't even defend his defense, not it is clearly defensible.
Quote from: Crean to Ann Arbor on March 24, 2016, 07:18:31 PM
Even if he gets embarrassed?
I don't see how this happens without some strings being pulled and probably someone footing the bill for Nike. The fact that he's an extra on the roster speaks volumes. I believe that any positive move by Kostas for his future will involve patience rather than forcing himself into a move up in class. I hope that that is what ultimately happens. I do expect him to be a very good player someday, I just think that he will be more likely to get there and get there sooner, by allowing himself sufficient time to develop.
Embarrassed? How would he get embarrassed? He won't play much in the televised games and when he does it is a glorified pick up game where he probably will look better than he is due to athleticism. The rest of the time is spent doing drills and training with the best players his age and some of the best coaches around. Plus it would just be a cool experience for any 18 year old.
In my view we should be all over this prospect. Tall Athletic and Good family history in the sport. He has nothing but upside from here.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on March 24, 2016, 11:05:58 PM
In my view we should be all over this prospect. Tall Athletic and Good family history in the sport. He has nothing but upside from here.
I agree-I think this guy could grown to be a little special. Hard working dude who wants to emulate his brother. Just think of all the off season pick up games...going one on one with John Henson or Jabari Parker
If Wojo doesn't have that 13th spot filled by early May I'd take Kostas in a heartbeat. I think he and his family would truly love it if Marquette became a real option and you simply can't teach height. And really aren't any comparisons to Mbao foolish? This kid could someday be a pro.
It frustrates me a little when coaches ignore recruits they have an excellant chance of getting. Buzz was not interested in Lachance. Wojo does not seem to have much interest in Kostas. It almost seems like the coaches are so zeroed in on the type of player they want that they cannot see the value of a different type of player. Buzz was all into switchables and did not seem to be interested in shooters that could not fit that profile. Wojo is zeroed in on shooters and it seems does not see the value of a 6'10' small forward that cannot shoot from the outside.
I don't know - I am more in the win now camp rather than reloading with a LT project. I think the points to get this kid are very valid, but not sure yet that it worthy of hand-wringing.
Unless 2-3 years from now he's at St John's and absolutely abusing Heldt. THEN I'd be pissed.
Quote from: jsglow on March 25, 2016, 07:14:28 AM
Unless 2-3 years from now he's at St John's and absolutely abusing Heldt. THEN I'd be pissed.
You can only have so many projects....if that happens I would personally be more angry with Wojo in taking Heldt than missing Kostas.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 25, 2016, 07:21:40 AM
You can only have so many projects....if that happens I would personally be more angry with Wojo in taking Heldt than missing Kostas.
They're separated by 2 years. And Wojo absolutely NEEDS a #4 NOW. This second as a matter of fact assuming HE is 95% out the door. More than any position on the court including PG. Now there might be several recruits waiting on Henry's final decision but if they
all go elsewhere we are up crap creek next year almost guaranteed. What, Luke will stay out of foul trouble, Matt will play 20 quality minutes and JjJ will be at the #4 and some think we'll win? Yeah, I've got some swampland in Horicon for you to buy.
I'm not saying Wojo formally offers the kid this second. But he could probably have Kostas for the asking, even before Henry makes a decision. Wojo better be pretty damn sure he has a quality big in the pipeline because even a Frosh Kostas could give us everything that Matt gave this year and tons more than Sacar.
Look, I hope this all works out and I'm not saying for a moment that he's the solution to all our problems. But as was said above, if the 13th scholly goes to Cam Marotta next year at Christmas then Wojo will have failed to maximize this team's potential for '16-'17. And there's zero excuse for that.
Quote from: jsglow on March 25, 2016, 07:43:09 AM
They're separated by 2 years. And Wojo absolutely NEEDS a #4 NOW.
But as was said above, if the 13th scholly goes to Cam Marotta next year at Christmas then Wojo will have failed to maximize this team's potential for '16-'17. And there's zero excuse for that.
These two things we violently agree on. I just hope we get someone who can actually contribute real mins next year.
If it's Kostas fine. I just hope we can do better (for next year).
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 25, 2016, 07:55:52 AM
These two things we violently agree on. I just hope we get someone who can actually contribute real mins next year.
If it's Kostas fine. I just hope we can do better (for next year).
Total agreement. I'm off the Kostas bandwagon the instant a quality player commits for that slot. Now if Wojo were a true superstar, he'd get the kid to prep for a year and turn down Mullin.
If we miss on Fernando and Young, Kostas would be worth a flyer, but can't see pushing for him until then. We need a 4 that can play now in the Big East. Not sure he's ready for that.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 25, 2016, 08:12:27 AM
If we miss on Fernando and Young, Kostas would be worth a flyer, but can't see pushing for him until then. We need a 4 that can play now in the Big East. Not sure he's ready for that.
So I'll try to have a positive outlook and say that Wojo knows way more than we do. About Henry, about Fernando and Young, about some grad transfer. It'll work out. :)
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on March 24, 2016, 10:00:33 PM
Embarrassed? How would he get embarrassed? He won't play much in the televised games and when he does it is a glorified pick up game where he probably will look better than he is due to athleticism. The rest of the time is spent doing drills and training with the best players his age and some of the best coaches around. Plus it would just be a cool experience for any 18 year old.
The cameras don't have to be on for him to get embarrassed. You have a kid who as a junior was playing behind shorter less athletic guys in HS going up against the best in his age group. Think Roseboro playing in pickup games in Milwaukee prior to his freshman year that made him realize that he wasn't ready for the Big East.
As I said, I expect Kostas to develop into a very good player. I just believe that its magical thinking to expect that from him next year.
Quote from: bilsu on March 25, 2016, 07:06:14 AM
It frustrates me a little when coaches ignore recruits they have an excellant chance of getting. Buzz was not interested in Lachance. Wojo does not seem to have much interest in Kostas. It almost seems like the coaches are so zeroed in on the type of player they want that they cannot see the value of a different type of player. Buzz was all into switchables and did not seem to be interested in shooters that could not fit that profile. Wojo is zeroed in on shooters and it seems does not see the value of a 6'10' small forward that cannot shoot from the outside.
La Chance averaged 6.9 points and shot 35% from the floor. He isn't a good defender and can't create his own shot.
Buzz(and Bo) knew what they were doing in not offering him.
Duane is in the same class, plays the same position and is a better player.
Quote from: Crean to Ann Arbor on March 25, 2016, 01:15:28 PM
The cameras don't have to be on for him to get embarrassed. You have a kid who as a junior was playing behind shorter less athletic guys in HS going up against the best in his age group. Think Roseboro playing in pickup games in Milwaukee prior to his freshman year that made him realize that he wasn't ready for the Big East.
As I said, I expect Kostas to develop into a very good player. I just believe that its magical thinking to expect that from him next year.
I just don't have the understanding of why he would get embarrassed. It's a few weeks of drills and training. So what if he is the worst player among the best young players in the world. This isn't a situation where he is going in expecting to dominate and everyone wondering why he sucks. Everyone knows he is a project and no one is going to be watching him as intently as the other guys in the gym. I don't see the downside of going to this camp. Worst case scenario is he realizes he needs another year and will go prep. He's been around some great players (Stone, Giannis, and I'm sure some friends). I think he recognizes he isn't in their league.
Quote from: MuMark on March 25, 2016, 05:19:17 PM
La Chance averaged 6.9 points and shot 35% from the floor. He isn't a good defender and can't create his own shot.
What is the relevance of FG%?
None.
Remember, LaChance shot better from 3 than from 2.. and he shot MORE from 3 than from 2.
Nonetheless, a bad year for him.. as a frosh, though, he had an ORtg of 116 w/a 19% usage, 23% shots and an eFG% of 53.4%.. not to mention a turnover rate of just 13.6%.
I had zero issue with us passing on Riley... but his (or anyone's) FG% isn't relevant and the fact is he had a great freshman year.
.449 efg%......,Duane's was .515
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 25, 2016, 08:12:27 AM
If we miss on Fernando and Young, Kostas would be worth a flyer, but can't see pushing for him until then. We need a 4 that can play now in the Big East. Not sure he's ready for that.
Good points. All wojo has to do is wink at the dude and he would jump at the chance and I believe he would work his arse off and walk across hot coals with a gas can in each hand to play in Milwaukee. His family is everything to him and I mean that in a good way. He has lots of pretty good tutors at his disposal
Quote from: rocket surgeon on March 25, 2016, 07:38:41 PM
Good points. All wojo has to do is wink at the dude and he would jump at the chance and I believe he would work his arse off and walk across hot coals with a gas can in each hand to play in Milwaukee. His family is everything to him and I mean that in a good way. He has lots of pretty good tutors at his disposal
I'm all in on Kostas. I don't even think you need a traditional 4 and 5 to play together in the modern NCAA. Just look at the games tonight. Auguste is ND's only real big. Wisconsin has one true big in Happ and he's pretty soft and a freshmen. Kostas would probably have minimal impact his freshmen year but he is clearly developing a ton and has the size and athleticism to be a great player.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 25, 2016, 07:11:40 AM
I don't know - I am more in the win now camp rather than reloading with a LT project. I think the points to get this kid are very valid, but not sure yet that it worthy of hand-wringing.
He is not a project. We need a guy like this. He can be effective for us .
I know Kostas is too thin, not ready, but isn't he the exact type of player St John's keeps finding? Like Obekpa and Sima and Yakwe when they arrived? String beans that can jump out of the gym and alter shots. Maybe I haven't watched him enough.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on March 25, 2016, 11:03:16 PM
He is not a project. We need a guy like this. He can be effective for us .
How many times did you watch him play last summer? This HS season?
Upside on this kid is off the charts, plus it links the Bucks and MU closer together which can't hurt recruiting.
From everything I have read, what he has going for him is height and bloodline. IF MU had a balanced roster and could afford to take a flyer on a kid with the intent to redshirt him, I could see it. Bring him in, get him in the weight room and expect him to contribute in 2-3 years. That is the complete opposite of the situation Marquette is in right now. Ergo, only if everybody else says no.
I realize this is a pretty long (probably ridiculous) shot but just throwing it out there. If as others say, staying in Milwaukee is potentially important to Kostas, is there a chance if TJ Otzelberger gets the UWM job that Kostas goes there? 247 crystal ball has him going to Iowa St. which is obviously because of Otz's recruiting. Would be a good way for TJ to start out his stint there.
Quote from: GoldenEagle2002 on March 26, 2016, 08:01:08 AM
I realize this is a pretty long (probably ridiculous) shot but just throwing it out there. If as others say, staying in Milwaukee is potentially important to Kostas, is there a chance if TJ Otzelberger gets the UWM job that Kostas goes there? 247 crystal ball has him going to Iowa St. which is obviously because of Otz's recruiting. Would be a good way for TJ to start out his stint there.
I wouldn't mind that at all. But while TJO should be a no-brainer hire, I don't think he's what UW-Milwaukee is looking for.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 26, 2016, 08:06:07 AM
I wouldn't mind that at all. But while TJO should be a no-brainer hire, I don't think he's what UW-Milwaukee is looking for.
I hear you on that. Deserves to be hired, would be a great hire to keep some of the lower level Milwaukee guys here, but UWM stupidity that's happening right now will keep him from getting the job.
I would take the kid in a heartbeat. Would think based off a upside potential alone he is great pickup. Couple that with Bucks connection it makes perfect sense to me. Could redshirt the kid for a year and let him get stronger.
Quote from: Goose on March 26, 2016, 10:07:04 AM
I would take the kid in a heartbeat. Would think based off a upside potential alone he is great pickup. Couple that with Bucks connection it makes perfect sense to me. Could redshirt the kid for a year and let him get stronger.
Not quite yet goose. I want him if HE stays and some other player transfers (assuming we sign Markus) OR if all the other bigs say no. Kostas doesn't seem to be a prime candidate to successfully absorb those minutes next year. That would have to be a plan C doncha think?
Quote from: MuMark on March 25, 2016, 05:19:17 PM
La Chance averaged 6.9 points and shot 35% from the floor. He isn't a good defender and can't create his own shot.
Buzz(and Bo) knew what they were doing in not offering him.
Duane is in the same class, plays the same position and is a better player.
Duane and Riley are only in the same class because Duane redshirted due to injury. They weren't in the same high school class.
I would take LaChance every day of the week over Duane. Better defender (still not a good defender though), better shooter, smarter player. If LaChance played the role in Vandy's offense that Duane does in Marquette's, he'd put up the same kind of numbers but more efficiently. In fact, he did just that as a freshman last year but Baldwin improved his game more than Riley did in the offseason and as a result got more of Duane's shots. If Baldwin leaves this year LaChance will go back to being a featured backcourt player and will have very nice numbers again.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 26, 2016, 01:29:26 PM
Duane and Riley are only in the same class because Duane redshirted due to injury. They weren't in the same high school class.
I would take LaChance every day of the week over Duane. Better defender (still not a good defender though), better shooter, smarter player. If LaChance played the role in Vandy's offense that Duane does in Marquette's, he'd put up the same kind of numbers but more efficiently. In fact, he did just that as a freshman last year but Baldwin improved his game more than Riley did in the offseason and as a result got more of Duane's shots. If Baldwin leaves this year LaChance will go back to being a featured backcourt player and will have very nice numbers again.
I watched him play a lot this year. Duane is a better defender and isn't close.
We will agree to disagree. La Chance is a good shooter who didn't shoot it well this year and if he isn't shooting open 3s he isn't of value. He was so bad that Stallings subbed him out at end of games because of his D.
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I do not have high hopes for next year and would rather role the dice on the future. Also, he could be a preferred walk on due to family financial situation. I would take him and hope for the upside to materialize.
Quote from: MuMark on March 26, 2016, 02:28:08 PM
I watched him play a lot this year. Duane is a better defender and isn't close.
We will agree to disagree. La Chance is a good shooter who didn't shoot it well this year and if he isn't shooting open 3s he isn't of value. He was so bad that Stallings subbed him out at end of games because of his D.
I agree with this completely.
Quote from: GoldenEagle2002 on March 26, 2016, 08:21:57 AM
I hear you on that. Deserves to be hired, would be a great hire to keep some of the lower level Milwaukee guys here, but UWM stupidity that's happening right now will keep him from getting the job.
I'm not saying they won't find a good coach, they very well could. TJO just doesn't project the image UW-Milwaukee is looking for in their next head coach from what I've heard.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 26, 2016, 03:27:09 PM
I'm not saying they won't find a good coach, they very well could. TJO just doesn't project the image UW-Milwaukee is looking for in their next head coach from what I've heard.
How so? I don't know anything about TJ other than what I read online, but I get the impression he's more similar to Bruce Pearl than Rob Jeter.
Traci Webster should be the choice.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 26, 2016, 07:26:15 PM
Traci Webster should be the choice.
Stephens would be a hell of a hire, IMO. Also would be interesting seeing Chew back in town
@GoodmanESPN: Some names for the vacant Milwaukee gig, per sources: Dwayne Stephens, Isaac Chew, Pat Baldwin, Chris Lowery and Tracy Webster.
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on March 26, 2016, 07:38:55 PM
Stephens would be a hell of a hire, IMO. Also would be interesting seeing Chew back in town
@GoodmanESPN: Some names for the vacant Milwaukee gig, per sources: Dwayne Stephens, Isaac Chew, Pat Baldwin, Chris Lowery and Tracy Webster.
Geez...I wonder what all these candidates have in common????
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on March 26, 2016, 07:38:55 PM
Stephens would be a hell of a hire, IMO. Also would be interesting seeing Chew back in town
@GoodmanESPN: Some names for the vacant Milwaukee gig, per sources: Dwayne Stephens, Isaac Chew, Pat Baldwin, Chris Lowery and Tracy Webster.
Wasn't Dwayne Stephens on scoops wish list when buzz left?
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 26, 2016, 07:48:20 PM
Geez...I wonder what all these candidates have in common????
I think it's pretty obvious ::)
They all have vowels in their first name. That's why TJ isn't being considered for the job. Not enough vowels.
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on March 26, 2016, 07:38:55 PM
Stephens would be a hell of a hire, IMO. Also would be interesting seeing Chew back in town
@GoodmanESPN: Some names for the vacant Milwaukee gig, per sources: Dwayne Stephens, Isaac Chew, Pat Baldwin, Chris Lowery and Tracy Webster.
Oops thought it was spelled Traci. He's close with my dad. Great guy.
Do most of those guys have Milwaukee connections? Would there be mutual interest with all of these guys?
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 26, 2016, 07:50:42 PM
Oops thought it was spelled Traci. He's close with my dad. Great guy.
Do most of those guys have Milwaukee connections? Would there be mutual interest with all of these guys?
Everyone except Lowery seems to have in-state ties of some sort. Stephens and Chew are both former Marquette assistants. Baldwin was an assistant at Green Bay before eventually joining Chris Collins' staff. Webster played college ball at UW-Madison and has been an assistant all over. Lowery played for and coached SIU, first as an assistant then later as the head coach. Midwest guy who is currently at Kansas State.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 26, 2016, 07:48:20 PM
Geez...I wonder what all these candidates have in common????
They are all people that have never been in my kitchen????
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 26, 2016, 07:50:42 PM
Oops thought it was spelled Traci. He's close with my dad. Great guy.
nh?
So getting back to Kostas... watching Oregon this weekend with Chris Boucher made me think that might be a good hope for the type of player Kostas could develop into in 3-4 years.
Quote from: Litehouse on March 26, 2016, 03:39:43 PM
How so? I don't know anything about TJ other than what I read online, but I get the impression he's more similar to Bruce Pearl than Rob Jeter.
That's 100% true, especially when you group pictures of Pearl and TJO, then compare them to pictures of Jeter and the other candidates.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 27, 2016, 12:27:31 PM
That's 100% true, especially when you group pictures of Pearl and TJO, then compare them to pictures of Jeter and the other candidates.
Ah ok I gotcha. Hope they hire the best person for the job rather than choosing someone that matches the picture of Jeter more than the picture of Pearl. But sounds like they've made up their minds. TJ's Milwaukee connection would serve them well recruiting wise.