Just lost 90-58 do D-II St. Thomas Aquinas...
Did they cover?
This isn't even their only exhibition. They could end up 0-2 before the season even starts!
Jeez.
Are you sure this is Big East's St. Johns and not that school in Minnesota?
DePaul has something to look forward to this season.
Quote from: Eldon on November 04, 2015, 08:48:18 PM
Jeez.
Are you sure this is Big East's St. Johns and not that school in Minnesota?
http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2015/11/4/9672216/st-johns-beat-down-by-st-thomas-aquinas-90-58
January 9th - St.Johns @ MU
January 23rd - MU @ St.Johns
Tears will be shed if MU even splits with these Johnnies
On one hand, this was without Marcus LoVett and Kassoum Yakwe, both of whom haven't been cleared by the NCAA.
On the other hand, the season starts in 8 days and the NCAA hasn't cleared them yet, PLUS LoVett was on crutches last night.
I try not to put any stock in these preseason games, ever since Syracuse lost to DII Le Moyne and went on to dominate the Big East in 2009-10. But man...losing by 32? That's tough to ignore.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 05, 2015, 10:19:07 AM
I try not to put any stock in these preseason games, ever since Syracuse lost to DII Le Moyne and went on to dominate the Big East in 2009-10. But man...losing by 32? That's tough to ignore.
I think the really bad part is that they were down 16 at the half.
Either Mullin couldn't adjust, or couldn't kick them in the butt hard enough to avoid getting embarrassed.
Quote from: chapman on November 04, 2015, 09:56:25 PM
DePaul has something to look forward to this season.
Um...didn't we go 0-2 last year?
Quote from: humanlung on November 05, 2015, 11:52:37 AM
Um...didn't we go 0-2 last year?
No! MU beat DePaul on Senior Day!
EDIT: Or did you mean against St. John's? In that case, this is an entirely different StJ team this season.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on November 05, 2015, 12:07:08 PM
No! MU beat DePaul on Senior Day!
EDIT: Or did you mean against St. John's? In that case, this is an entirely different StJ team this season.
Almost completely literally different.
Exhibition games mean nada in terms of where the season ends up
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 07, 2015, 01:55:27 PM
Exhibition games mean nada in terms of where the season ends up
I'll say that if they lost by 2 like Iowa but they lost by 32...
Small sample, new coach, new season.
They might be bad, or even a disaster, but plenty of teams have lost exhibition games or early season games to perceived lesser talents and done just fine.
I just need more than one game, despite who the opponent is.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 07, 2015, 03:18:59 PM
Small sample, new coach, new season.
They might be bad, or even a disaster, but plenty of teams have lost exhibition games or early season games to perceived lesser talents and done just fine.
I just need more than one game, despite who the opponent is.
Bob Dukiet was fired 2 years before you would have drawn any conclusion on him - so your reticence when it comes to jumping to conclusions (except on matters you prejudge due to politics, religion or ethnicity) is firmly established. But unless you can come up with a list of teams who lost by more than 30 to a DII team and turned out fo be good, I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict St John will suck this year.
Look, I think St. John's is going to be bad this year based on who they lost, I'm simply saying one game anything can happen.
Syracuse lose to Lemoyne a few years ago in Exhibition and then went 24-1. Miami lost to St. Leo a few years ago, and won the ACC. Etc, etc.
No way do I think SJU is going to win the Big East. They should be pretty bad, but would it surprise anyone if they knocked off a Big East team during the year? Or two or three? It could happen and likely will happen.
Respectable tonight.
they played with a lot of heart and won
Was rooting for them to beat a BE deserter
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on November 19, 2015, 08:34:32 PM
they played with a lot of heart and won
Getting hammered in this Iowa game. Anyone want to go over to the Johnnies board and celebrate with those guys?
Maybe r boys should watch the replay....
Johnnies may be bad but they're 10-15 points better than us.
They were being beaten pretty good last night by Rutgers and then came back and won the game. Iowa also lost an exhibition game. Maybe losing an exhibition game to get your players attention is better than losing a regular season game.
Quote from: ecompt on November 19, 2015, 09:17:41 PM
Johnnies may be bad but they're 10-15 points better than us.
No they're not. No one seems to factor in that Rutgers is arguably the worst program in a major conference. It was all on Rutgers comically blowing a game then anything St. John's did to win. This game is why there should be draws in basketball.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on November 20, 2015, 12:38:07 PM
No they're not. No one seems to factor in that Rutgers is arguably the worst program in a major conference. It was all on Rutgers comically blowing a game then anything St. John's did to win. This game is why there should be draws in basketball.
Not too mention that on Rutgers second to last possession their PG was hit hard from behind with a shoulder roll and then egregiously tripped with no call on either. They should have been shooting FTs to take the lead with 15 seconds to go. That was as bad a two seconds of refereeing as you'll ever see. (Of course, the way they shoot FTs they probably still would have been behind). If Rutgers had any fans I'm sure they'd be furious.
St Johns is 10-15 points better than us IMO. They looked well coached, executed a game plan and played good defense. they also are super young. Guess what else? DePaul looks a hell of a lot better than us too for anyone who watched the Penn State game. They are playing really good defense. Granted they are more experienced but they also look like their middling talent has been coached up. Buzz always wanted to establish a defensive identity first before worrying about offense on the theory that players practice offense all the time whether in practice or not. The "boot camp" helped establish toughness and an identity. I hope Wojo knows what he is doing and this will be a blip like the Vandy game, the UWGB game and others. I just don't get a sense from following the team on this board and in the press that Wojo has a strategy to get this team to raise their play. Telling them to get the ball in the post is one thing during a timeout but is he stressing/counting paint touches in practice? Is he counting deflections? Can he actually effectively coach defense (like Leito is doing with DePaul and yes I know they lost but so what- they play tough D and they crush MU on the eye test)? He was right - he did not have them ready to compete. that is a little scary.