Post by: PaintTouches on October 29, 2015, 09:00:07 AM
Marquette Madness has come and gone. The season is so close, we can taste it. Marquette fans know who we will battle but might not know anything about our future opponents. To remedy this, Paint Touches is taking an in depth look at each of Marquette’s opponents, both conference and non-conference, to see what we […]
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Post by: keefe on October 30, 2015, 02:02:33 PM
Nibbert has put together a roster that is severely lacking in size and outside shooting, rarely a winning combination.
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 30, 2015, 02:21:15 PM
Coach Nibbert is obviously a branch of the Tanned Tommy Coaching Tree...
Nibbert has put together a roster that is severely lacking in size and outside shooting, rarely a winning combination.
The size argument I get but Crean recruited Novak and Diener, two of the best three point shooters to ever wear a Marquette uniform.
Post by: keefe on October 30, 2015, 02:43:00 PM
The size argument I get but Crean recruited Novak and Diener, two of the best three point shooters to ever wear a Marquette uniform.
Two...in nine years...
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 30, 2015, 04:41:54 PM
Two...in nine years...
C'mon Keefe
Crean's 2005-2006 team scored the 2nd most 3pt field goals in Marquette history.
His 2007-2008 team scored the 3rd most 3pt field goals in Marquette history.
His 2003-2004 team shot the third best season 3pt% in Marquette history
His 2002-2003 team shot the fifth best season 3pt% in Marquette history
In nine years he recruited three of the top ten 3pt shooters in Marquette history, including the top two Steve Novak and Travis Diener (he also had number nine Dominic James).
In nine year he recruited three of the top ten 3pt% shooters in Marquette history, including number one Steve Novak, number four Maurice Acker, number six Travis Diener, and number eight Dan Fitzgerald.
Crean recruits account for six of Marquette's top ten 3pms made in a season list (three for Novak, two for Diener, one for McNeal)
Crean recruits account for six of Marquette's top ten 3P%s in a season list (three for Novak, one for Diener, one for Acker, one for Hayward)
Four of Marquette's top ten 3P shooting freshmen were recruited by Crean: number one Diener, number two Novak, number four David Cubillan, and number seven James
I know the popular thing is to joke about Crean but it doesn't make sense here. He was better than any other Marquette coach at recruiting shooters. The height thing, absolutely. But not shooting.
Really if you wanted to joke about a coach who didn't recruit height or shooting, it would be Buzz Williams. We all know his issues with getting bigs, but outside of his first two seasons, we had atrocious shooting teams. And what coach recruited the players that were leading the team in 3P shooting for the first two years of Buzz's career? Besides DJO (in Buzz's second year), they were all recruited by TC.
Post by: real chili 83 on October 30, 2015, 07:32:00 PM
The Blue Hose.
Can't make that sh1t up.
Chick, do you think they have blue hose waving contests on the Presbyterian board?
Post by: 79Warrior on October 31, 2015, 12:16:41 AM
C'mon Keefe
Crean's 2005-2006 team scored the 2nd most 3pt field goals in Marquette history.
His 2007-2008 team scored the 3rd most 3pt field goals in Marquette history.
His 2003-2004 team shot the third best season 3pt% in Marquette history
His 2002-2003 team shot the fifth best season 3pt% in Marquette history
In nine years he recruited three of the top ten 3pt shooters in Marquette history, including the top two Steve Novak and Travis Diener (he also had number nine Dominic James).
In nine year he recruited three of the top ten 3pt% shooters in Marquette history, including number one Steve Novak, number four Maurice Acker, number six Travis Diener, and number eight Dan Fitzgerald.
Crean recruits account for six of Marquette's top ten 3pms made in a season list (three for Novak, two for Diener, one for McNeal)
Crean recruits account for six of Marquette's top ten 3P%s in a season list (three for Novak, one for Diener, one for Acker, one for Hayward)
Four of Marquette's top ten 3P shooting freshmen were recruited by Crean: number one Diener, number two Novak, number four David Cubillan, and number seven James
I know the popular thing is to joke about Crean but it doesn't make sense here. He was better than any other Marquette coach at recruiting shooters. The height thing, absolutely. But not shooting.
Really if you wanted to joke about a coach who didn't recruit height or shooting, it would be Buzz Williams. We all know his issues with getting bigs, but outside of his first two seasons, we had atrocious shooting teams. And what coach recruited the players that were leading the team in 3P shooting for the first two years of Buzz's career? Besides DJO (in Buzz's second year), they were all recruited by TC.
Well said
Post by: keefe on October 31, 2015, 03:27:23 AM
C'mon Keefe
He was better than any other Marquette coach at recruiting shooters. The height thing, absolutely. But not shooting.
Uh...well, I will agree that Crean and KO were the two Marquette coaches who recruited some shooters after the 3-point rule was implemented in 1986. And Crean has a large number of people on a list that began in 1986 because he was there for half of that time during his tenure.
But Al and Hank recruited better shooters. Period.
Hell, if there was a game of HORSE between Al's best and Tanned Tommy's it wouldn't be close.
Look at the names on your list - Dom James, Mo Acker, Dan Fitz, McNeal, and Cubillan? The Dream wasn't even close to being among Al's best shooters and he would mop the floor with those five.
It's easy to write history when you eliminate a large part of the narrative. One could argue that since 1945 Germany has been among the most pacifist nations in the world. But that doesn't tell the whole story.
I agree that Novak is phenomenal and deserves a spot on the all-time list of MU greats but there are a lot of Al's guys I would take as shooters before Diener.
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 31, 2015, 09:35:36 AM