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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Pakuni on October 20, 2015, 06:03:46 PM
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Evan Daniels @EvanDaniels
Source: Four-star wing Brendan Bailey commits to Marquette
http://www.scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/story/1601520-source-brendan-bailey-commits-marquette
Brendan Bailey, a 6-foot-7 wing out of Utah, committed to Marquette on Tuesday.
2016 small forward Brendan Bailey verbally committed to Steve Wojciechowski and Marquette, according to a source.
Bailey, a standout at American Fork (Utah) High, picked Marquette over Michigan, Utah, San Diego State and Gonzaga. Bailey took visits to all five of his finalisits.
In late November of 2014, Bailey committed to Herb Sendek and Arizona State. When Sendek moved on from the Sun Devils, Bailey backed off his verbal pledge. Current Marquette assistant coach Stan Johnson was the lead recruit for Bailey at ASU at the time. Johnson picked up his recruitment of Bailey when he landed at Marquette.
As a junior, Bailey averaged 14.2 points and 5.6 rebounds a game. Scout analyst Josh Gershon is impressed with Bailey's versatility and scoring ability.
"Brendan Bailey projects as a good high major wing," Gershon said. "Offensively he can either play the two or three on offense and potentially even four in a smaller lineup. Defensively he can guard threes and possibly bigger twos and smaller fours. Being able to score off the dribble is an important attribute for a wing and that's something Bailey has ability to do; he can create his own shot and score at a respectable efficiency."
"Bailey needs to continue to add to his handle and get stronger, but he has a nice feel for the game and is a prospect with both a high floor and high ceiling," Gershon added. "He's a very good pickup for Marquette."
With Bailey on board, Marquette has a pair of commitments in the 2016 recruiting class. Bailey joins No. 73 Sam Hauser to make up Wojciechowski's current recruiting class.
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Per Evan Daniels
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Ah suck it
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Stan is apparently the Man!
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2 top 100 2016 recruits following the 2015 class. Oops?
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Probably should be counted as a 2018 recruit....
@jeffborzello: ESPN 100 forward Brendan Bailey has committed to Marquette, source tells ESPN.
Plan is to take 2-year mission, enroll as freshman in 2018.
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Ah suck it
Only a mere 16 seconds late. Merged.
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Does anybody wish to lay odds on whether he (A) classifies as a '16 or an '18 recruit, and if '18, whether he honors this commitment in just less than 3 years.
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Does anybody wish to lay odds on whether he (A) classifies as a '16 or an '18 recruit, and if '18, whether he honors this commitment in just less than 3 years.
He will sign his NLI so both parties will be tied to one another. I think it is highly likely that he ends up coming here in '18. I doubt he changes his mind about his mission.
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I'm ok with him being an '18. However, I can easily foresee a scenario where Henry is a 1-and-done and BBailey rethinks it.
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I'm gonna guess that he only takes a 1 year mission instead of 2 and reclassifies to 2017.
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Welcome to the Marquette family. For the moment I have classified him as an '18 on the future scholly thread.
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Maybe he could just go see The Book of Mormon and call it even, hey?
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How do these kids keep their bball skills polished while on a mission?
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How do these kids keep their bball skills polished while on a mission?
Let's think about it another way. Instead of an 18 year old boy we'll get a 20 year old man.
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Love the pickup. Solid addition for the 2018 class. Always nice to have a player who is two years more mature, both physically and mentally, than everyone else in his class
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLlbjgnm6vw
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Makes me wonder if Louisville recruits Mormon kids...
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How do these kids keep their bball skills polished while on a mission?
Good question. I don't have the answer.
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Good question. I don't have the answer.
Hope he does not lose weight, he is skinny right now and needs to get into the weight room. But he will be 20 year old freshman so that will help. Have to like that
Thurl was 6'10" so he might still grow. Looks like he has a nice shot, with Carter at the point, wings of Hauser, Bailey, Sacar and Cheatham, the backcourt looks
strong in the future. Heldt is the only big in 2018 left so it will time to recruit some bigs the next few years. Give credit to Stan Johnson, looks like a nice addition on
the recruiting scene. Xaiver Tillman is the next big catch for sure.
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So, the net of this thread is that we are luke warm on a 4 star, top 100 recruit???
If he is half as good as the Ox, sign me up.
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His father is Thurl Bailey.
Former Utah Jazz All Star
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I'm gonna guess that he only takes a 1 year mission instead of 2 and reclassifies to 2017.
He's a 2016. He's just not showing up for two years, not reclassifying to 2018. (or 2017)
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So we still have 1 scholarship for next year, correct?
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I like that he is doing the mission. Brendan is a very good pickup for us. He is going to create match up problems.
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Of all his quotes to Matt V, none mention a mission. Yet Matt does.
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Of all his quotes to Matt V, none mention a mission. Yet Matt does.
http://www.scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/story/1574501-brendan-bailey-down-to-five
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As a 5 year old
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/460030429/Thurl-Baileys-wonderful-life.html?pg=all
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Makes me wonder if Louisville recruits Mormon kids...
They use sister hookers for those guys.
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So we still have 1 scholarship for next year, correct?
Correct, unless Bailey elects not to take his mission.
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Correct, unless Bailey elects not to take his mission.
Thanks TAMU.
This may be a silly question, but Scout, I think, just updated MU's 2016 class ranking after the Bailey commit. Once he actually goes on his mission, will they reconfigure our 2016 class rank and put Bailey into the MU 2018 class rank, with his individual 2016 ranking?
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Thanks TAMU.
This may be a silly question, but Scout, I think, just updated MU's 2016 class ranking after the Bailey commit. Once he actually goes on his mission, will they reconfigure our 2016 class rank and put Bailey into the MU 2018 class rank, with his individual 2016 ranking?
Generally speaking, kids get ranked with the year they graduate from high school, and that's that. Can't really rank a 2016 guy against 2018 guys when they're not even going to the same AAU events and camps and so forth.
There will just be a lot of "Wojo is bringing in three top 100 guys, plus 2016 top 100 SF Brendan Bailey arrives after his mission."
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Hope he does not lose weight, he is skinny right now and needs to get into the weight room. But he will be 20 year old freshman so that will help. Have to like that
Thurl was 6'10" so he might still grow. Looks like he has a nice shot, with Carter at the point, wings of Hauser, Bailey, Sacar and Cheatham, the backcourt looks
strong in the future. Heldt is the only big in 2018 left so it will time to recruit some bigs the next few years. Give credit to Stan Johnson, looks like a nice addition on
the recruiting scene. Xaiver Tillman is the next big catch for sure.
Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves. Way too early to determine what a 2018 roster/lineup might look like. Let's finish out this class with one more quality player first. I'd take Willis after this weekend's official and call it a day for now. Then onto the '17s.
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I did see The Book of Mormon over the weekend.
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What are some of the rules that can come into play here if he joins us in 2018? I know Wojo cannot discuss recruits until they have signed their NLI, but how much contact can occur between coaches and players after they sign their NLI but before they enroll?
Can Todd Smith give him some workout plans for him to add muscle over the two years while he is on his mission? Obviously he wouldn't be able to work directly with him, but just wondering what the coaching staff can do over the next two years.
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Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves. Way too early to determine what a 2018 roster/lineup might look like. Let's finish out this class with one more quality player first. I'd take Willis after this weekend's official and call it a day for now. Then onto the '17s.
Yes, MU has 4 scholarships to give out, 1 in 2016, 3 in 2017. The 2017 year is very critical as they will lose both bigs, Ellenson and Fisher. I believe Ellenson will stay
2 years. I am sure he is not ready for the pros yet, physically or mentally. Does not mean he will not go pro after one year, but time will tell. Bailey gives him the ability to recruit bigs in the next 2 years as they will have guards and forwards coming back. If he does not get Willis, time for a grad transfer in spring or if MU does really well
maybe he can get one of those one and done type players if Ellenson leaves, lots of options on the last scholy, might be even 2, then for sure he can offer starting time to a PF.
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Wasn't there a top 25 class of 2017 point guard who had originally committed to ASU as well and then made a visit to MU when we hired Stan Johnson? Are we still in on him?
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http://www.scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/story/1574501-brendan-bailey-down-to-five
I did not mean to imply Matt V was the only reporter mentioning the mission. Everyone of them have, it is just interesting that Brendan hasn't talked about it all.
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Makes me wonder if Louisville recruits Mormon kids...
If they don't, they should.
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Always nice to have a legacy addition. The kid looks to have smooth skills for a lanky wing. Going on Mission will be great for him personally. Still a long road from anything happening in the relationship since no one has a clue what will happen in 30 days much less 30 months.
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Wasn't there a top 25 class of 2017 point guard who had originally committed to ASU as well and then made a visit to MU when we hired Stan Johnson? Are we still in on him?
Markus Howard (top 30 I believe) and last I heard we are still on him
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So we still have 1 scholarship for next year, correct?
Wrong.
MU doesn't give 4-year scholarships, so technically we have 13 total to give out for next year.
I would expect that many of those scholarships will go to returning players, but none are guaranteed.
I know many don't like to think about it that way--but that's the reality of the situation in this age of transfers. Wojo (or any other D1 coach) simply isn't under some artificial "only 1 scholarship left" restriction on his recruiting--so its incorrect to try an tally the numbers and pretend that he is. If he finds two more players he wants to bring in, he'll sign them--even if we have "only 1 scholarship for next year".
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Wrong.
MU doesn't give 4-year scholarships, so technically we have 13 total to give out for next year.
::)
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What are some of the rules that can come into play here if he joins us in 2018? I know Wojo cannot discuss recruits until they have signed their NLI, but how much contact can occur between coaches and players after they sign their NLI but before they enroll?
Can Todd Smith give him some workout plans for him to add muscle over the two years while he is on his mission? Obviously he wouldn't be able to work directly with him, but just wondering what the coaching staff can do over the next two years.
I suppose that could be a concern with some kids on a mission. However, since his dad played in the NBA, I assume he'll have plenty of familiarity with the level of training needed to play at a high level.
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From previous experience living in Utah, where the football team has recruited tons of players who take missions.
No communication with staff for the length of mission. Basically isolated from rest of world. A very unique and profound experience for those involved.
Unsure if that has changed recently, hopefully someone can give a more recent update.
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https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1816428
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Wrong.
MU doesn't give 4-year scholarships, so technically we have 13 total to give out for next year.
I would expect that many of those scholarships will go to returning players, but none are guaranteed.
I know many don't like to think about it that way--but that's the reality of the situation in this age of transfers. Wojo (or any other D1 coach) simply isn't under some artificial "only 1 scholarship left" restriction on his recruiting--so its incorrect to try an tally the numbers and pretend that he is. If he finds two more players he wants to bring in, he'll sign them--even if we have "only 1 scholarship for next year".
So far it appears that Wojo has not given out scholarships to shot in the dark players. I thought maybe Anim was one, but he looks like a very good player. They all appear to be high character people, so I do not see MU not renewing someone's scholarship. That of course does not mean that someone does not decide to transfer.
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From previous experience living in Utah, where the football team has recruited tons of players who take missions.
No communication with staff for the length of mission. Basically isolated from rest of world. A very unique and profound experience for those involved.
Unsure if that has changed recently, hopefully someone can give a more recent update.
That is exactly the case. Only allowed to call home twice a year and have no access to the internet.
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I did see The Book of Mormon over the weekend.
Did you like it? I thought it was good, but I was a little disappointed, based on the amount of hype it gets. I saw "A Gentleman's Guide to Love and Murder" shortly after seeing "Book of Mormon" and liked it better. Probably because no expectations going in.
Anyway, I love the idea of a 20 year old freshman from NBA stock. Thurl was a great college player. Great pick-up for Wojo. Hopefully he turns out to be a great coach, because he's got the rest of job nailed down.
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From previous experience living in Utah, where the football team has recruited tons of players who take missions.
No communication with staff for the length of mission. Basically isolated from rest of world. A very unique and profound experience for those involved.
Unsure if that has changed recently, hopefully someone can give a more recent update.
You can take a side-job acting in pornography if provided the use of a stunt cock.
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Did you like it? I thought it was good, but I was a little disappointed, based on the amount of hype it gets. I saw "A Gentleman's Guide to Love and Murder" shortly after seeing "Book of Mormon" and liked it better. Probably because no expectations going in.
It was the traveling version of show at The Shubert in New Haven. I liked it. The second act was much funnier. You can definitely see the South Park humor in it. Based on audience reactions for some parts, there were plenty of people not aware of the co-creators sense of humor.
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That is exactly the case. Only allowed to call home twice a year and have no access to the internet.
Thanks Sultan for the update +1
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Wrong.
MU doesn't give 4-year scholarships, so technically we have 13 total to give out for next year.
I would expect that many of those scholarships will go to returning players, but none are guaranteed.
I know many don't like to think about it that way--but that's the reality of the situation in this age of transfers. Wojo (or any other D1 coach) simply isn't under some artificial "only 1 scholarship left" restriction on his recruiting--so its incorrect to try an tally the numbers and pretend that he is. If he finds two more players he wants to bring in, he'll sign them--even if we have "only 1 scholarship for next year".
Actually, you can only oversign by 1 player, so there is nothing artificial about the restriction on Wojo's recruiting. He doesn't have to keep it to just 13, but there is a very real number he has to stay at or under.
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Gonna suck having to wait til 2018 to see the kid play in a MU uniform but should be totally worth it. Great snag by Wojo.
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Wow - the story in the Deseret News is pretty remarkable. Whatever year the kid gets here, he should be a high-quality addition to the program and the University.
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Great get, overjoyed to land Bailey. Only looks good on paper the next couple years, but I fully expect him to end up here in 2018. Hopefully just the first of many for Stan.
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Great get. Nice to see Wojo still has the recruiting mojo!
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The potentially very positive piece of this is that he will have two more years for his body to mature and then MU gets him. So long as he hits the weights wherever he is, once he shakes the rust off he will be a ready to roll 20 year old.
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This is so far away I wonder if Wojo will be around much less a top quality assistant coach like Stan Johnson, I would hold my breath on this one.
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This is so far away I wonder if Wojo will be around much less a top quality assistant coach like Stan Johnson, I would hold my breath on this one.
Good thing he signs his NLI next month.
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Good thing he signs his NLI next month.
Which they would promptly let him out of with a coaching change.
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This is so far away I wonder if Wojo will be around much less a top quality assistant coach like Stan Johnson, I would hold my breath on this one.
Wojo must of told him he would be here.
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This is so far away I wonder if Wojo will be around much less a top quality assistant coach like Stan Johnson, I would hold my breath on this one.
I mean, if we can't keep a coach in the program fro 4 years should we even bother having a program? Time to close up shop, boys.
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I mean, if we can't keep a coach in the program fro 4 years should we even bother having a program? Time to close up shop, boys.
Let's not get dramatic.
Boeheim is being pushed, Roy Boy is getting disciplined, Rick is a pimp, K is energized but near 70, etc. crap is going to happen in the 30 months until Bailey walks through those doors so you can't blame any MU fan for having a nonchalant interest(oxy) in this commitment.
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This is so far away I wonder if Wojo will be around much less a top quality assistant coach like Stan Johnson, I would hold my breath on this one.
If wojo is gone within two years we probably have a national title added to our collection.
I'll take that.
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I mean, if we can't keep a coach in the program fro 4 years should we even bother having a program? Time to close up shop, boys.
Not about holding a coach, Marquette is a second tier program. If Duke calls Wojo, he'd be foolish not to listen. Just like Indiana when Crean was called.
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Not about holding a coach, Marquette is a second tier program. If Duke calls Wojo, he'd be foolish not to listen. Just like Indiana when Crean was called.
You got that last one the wrong way around.
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Not about holding a coach, Marquette is a second tier program. If Duke calls Wojo, he'd be foolish not to listen. Just like Indiana when Crean was called.
Duke won't be calling Wojo before 2018.
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Pretty sure the NLI won't be binding when he returns from his mission and is largely symbolic.
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Pretty sure the NLI won't be binding when he returns from his mission and is largely symbolic.
Well it *should* keep other coaches from bugging him for the rest of this year, and then they shouldn't be a problem the next couple years.
Though...I'm actually betting he forgoes his mission. Just a hunch (no details or facts).
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Well it *should* keep other coaches from bugging him for the rest of this year, and then they shouldn't be a problem the next couple years.
Though...I'm actually betting he forgoes his mission. Just a hunch (no details or facts).
Could use BD on this one
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I'd be very surprised if Bailey doesn't go on his mission.
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Why so sour today, eso and sultan?
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Couple comments:
- no other coaches will be recruiting Bailey; no contact with outside world.
- i agree Bailey will be more mentally focused as a 20 year old; but I can't picture him "hitting the weights" too aggressively. I could be wrong though.
- the LOI is more of a good will gesture. I believe the Vadgers had a RB commit under their previous coach & when he left the RB didn't find out for awhile since they can't communicate outside of parents
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With how involved his father is with the LDS church, I would be very surprised if Brendan didn't go on his mission
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/460030429/Thurl-Baileys-wonderful-life.html?pg=all
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Well it *should* keep other coaches from bugging him for the rest of this year, and then they shouldn't be a problem the next couple years.
Though...I'm actually betting he forgoes his mission. Just a hunch (no details or facts).
You must not have many Mormons in your area. Going on a mission is a very big deal within the LDS community. If the kid said he's going on a mission he is going on a mission.
I think Legs posted something about Bailey working out during his time as a missionary. That would be strictly forbidden as a major distraction from his spiritual duties. Being a missionary means subsuming all other interests and activities to faith-based responsibilities.
These kids get a couple hours off one day a week during which they can do laundry and tend to housekeeping. Otherwise it is all about the mission which is spiritual development and proselytizing.
There is a reason they pair up missionaries - it is to keep each other motivated and on the straight and narrow. If an elder sees that his wingman is losing faith he calls the district mission elder who swoops in with a team to get the kid's mind right.
Most educated people have heard of Mormons but I think that the LDS community is very misunderstood. There is a veneer of public image that masks a secretive, xenophobic society.
In my community the Mormons vote as a block and almost always take over the local school boards. One outcome is that the Bellevue School District is one of the very best in the nation. A downside, however, is that there is always an insidious side that manifests itself in sometimes silly yet always pernicious ways...
dress code...bans on 'dirty dancing'...'behavior codes'...
The more troubling are changes in curriculum and text books.
Mormons are good neighbors with tidy yards who are active in the community. But there is always a Mormon Underground from which an Anglican, Jewish, Roman Catholic, or Methodist heathen will always be excluded.
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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/2592667-155/lds-recruiting-with-riley-nelson-rule (http://www.sltrib.com/sports/2592667-155/lds-recruiting-with-riley-nelson-rule)
This article gives a pretty good rundown on the current rules for LDS missionaries. If I read it correctly, it looks like Bailey would need to enroll in Marquette prior to leaving on his mission in order for the team to have exclusive rights to him.
However, it seems like he comes from upstanding parents. I imagine Thurl would be disappointed if he made a commitment and then didn't follow through.
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The missionary thin' is ok. But hopefully, there will be many more excitin' and fulfillin' positions available, ai na?
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You must not have many Mormons in your area. Going on a mission is a very big deal within the LDS community. If the kid said he's going on a mission he is going on a mission.
I work (directly) with a TON of Mormons.
With how involved his father is with the LDS church, I would be very surprised if Brendan didn't go on his mission
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/460030429/Thurl-Baileys-wonderful-life.html?pg=all
Ah...but his father grew up Baptist, and is understanding of changing life priorities.
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Keefe, thanks for the update. That is very much along the lines i remember. Not much has changed over the years.
BB will be solid addition in 2018
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You must not have many Mormons in your area. Going on a mission is a very big deal within the LDS community. If the kid said he's going on a mission he is going on a mission.
I think Legs posted something about Bailey working out during his time as a missionary. That would be strictly forbidden as a major distraction from his spiritual duties. Being a missionary means subsuming all other interests and activities to faith-based responsibilities.
These kids get a couple hours off one day a week during which they can do laundry and tend to housekeeping. Otherwise it is all about the mission which is spiritual development and proselytizing.
There is a reason they pair up missionaries - it is to keep each other motivated and on the straight and narrow. If an elder sees that his wingman is losing faith he calls the district mission elder who swoops in with a team to get the kid's mind right.
Most educated people have heard of Mormons but I think that the LDS community is very misunderstood. There is a veneer of public image that masks a secretive, xenophobic society.
In my community the Mormons vote as a block and almost always take over the local school boards. One outcome is that the Bellevue School District is one of the very best in the nation. A downside, however, is that there is always an insidious side that manifests itself in sometimes silly yet always pernicious ways...
dress code...bans on 'dirty dancing'...'behavior codes'...
The more troubling are changes in curriculum and text books.
Mormons are good neighbors with tidy yards who are active in the community. But there is always a Mormon Underground from which an Anglican, Jewish, Roman Catholic, or Methodist heathen will always be excluded.
I do think Bailey goes on his mission. But I also think you are describing the baby boomer generation of Mormons (though all generations of Mormons produce babies at a boomer rate). Like any other faith, it changes with the generations. Catholics aren't the only ones seeing the young ones moving to change the culture and the traditions of their faith. I worked for the University of Utah for a year and got to meet a lot of LDS college students. They didn't describe their missions nearly as rigorous as this. Regular phone calls home, access to internet, limited r and r (emphasis on the limited). Some did but most of them said they had options to be less rigorous but they chose (or their parents chose) the more traditional route. I think they are more adverse to the idea of the "Mormon Underground" as you put it.
Of course I was at the University of Utah, which is described by the university a few hours down the road as a school for heathens. I could have met more of the "liberal" Mormon crowd.
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Below is the daily schedule for all missionaries, straight from the LDS Church's official missionary handbook:
6:30 am - Arise, pray, exercise (30 minutes), and prepare for the day.
7:30 am - Breakfast.
8:00 am - Personal study: the Book of Mormon, other scriptures, missionary library, and Preach My Gospel (the missionary teaching manual).
9:00 am - Companion study: share what you have learned during personal study, prepare to teach, practice teaching, study chapters from Preach My Gospel, and confirm plans for the day.
10:00 am - Begin proselyting. You may take an hour for lunch and additional study, and an hour for dinner at times during the day that fit best with your proselyting time. Normally, dinner should be finished no later than 6:00 pm.
9:00 pm - Return to living quarters and plan the next day's activities (30 minutes). Write in your journal, prepare for bed, pray.
10:30 pm - Retire to bed.
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Also:
"So you have 30 minutes a day to stretch and maybe jog a little, another 1-2 hours per week to maybe get some shots up, depending on where you are sent, and riding your bike around town. That's the extent of physical training an athlete-missionary gets."
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plus washing and ironing you white short-sleeved shirt
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Let's not get dramatic.
Boeheim is being pushed, Roy Boy is getting disciplined, Rick is a pimp, K is energized but near 70, etc. crap is going to happen in the 30 months until Bailey walks through those doors so you can't blame any MU fan for having a nonchalant interest(oxy) in this commitment.
Maybe teal would have helped?
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one thing I really like is the age advantage. After serving a mission, he'll be potentially graduating at age 24. The added age, personal maturity, and physical maturity can help. I always note how Utah St, Utah, BYU, Weber St, and other teams with lots of Mormons tend to show a lot of poise in the NCAA tournament. It's not likely a viable connection, but theoretically he could always reach out to a prominent Mormon athlete like Jabari Parker or Bryce Harper once arriving in Milwaukee.
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Also:
"So you have 30 minutes a day to stretch and maybe jog a little, another 1-2 hours per week to maybe get some shots up, depending on where you are sent, and riding your bike around town. That's the extent of physical training an athlete-missionary gets."
The other consideration is that if you have not lived overseas you cannot really comprehend the every day reality of life in a foreign place. I am sure when you imagine a kid's mission you see him walking around a Chicago suburb.
Fact is, most of these kids are sent to foreign places. There isn't a local gym where they can hit the weights then shoot some hoops.
I have lived in four Asian and two European countries. As an expat one enjoys a pretty privileged lifestyle. These kids aren't expats. There is no staff to cook and clean. There isn't a washer/dryer in their rented place; they are walking somewhere to do laundry - eating up a lot of their allotted free time. They don't have memberships in the American Club or the Mercantile Club.
The only change I have read to the daily grind of a mission is that the kids are allowed to email their family once a week. before, they could call home twice - on Christmas Day and Mother's Day.
A colleague of mine at PepsiCo did his mission in the US. But it was in rural South Dakota living on Sioux reservations. Dave is 6' 10" and played hoops at Arizona (pre-Lute.) He didn't touch a basketball for two years. And while he didn't add height he lost 40 pounds due to a sh1tty diet.
People need to be realistic about Bailey going off on a mission. He will not bulk up nor will he refine his post moves. Let the kid do his Church duty, come to Marquette, and give him time to shake off the rust.
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Below is the daily schedule for all missionaries, straight from the LDS Church's official missionary handbook:
6:30 am - Arise, pray, exercise (30 minutes), and prepare for the day.
7:30 am - Breakfast.
8:00 am - Personal study: the Book of Mormon, other scriptures, missionary library, and Preach My Gospel (the missionary teaching manual).
9:00 am - Companion study: share what you have learned during personal study, prepare to teach, practice teaching, study chapters from Preach My Gospel, and confirm plans for the day.
10:00 am - Begin proselyting. You may take an hour for lunch and additional study, and an hour for dinner at times during the day that fit best with your proselyting time. Normally, dinner should be finished no later than 6:00 pm.
9:00 pm - Return to living quarters and plan the next day's activities (30 minutes). Write in your journal, prepare for bed, pray.
10:30 pm - Retire to bed.
This is similar to my 89-year-old father-in-law's schedule.
Except he doesn't "arise" until about 10:30 a.m. And sub out "watch Game Show Network" for proselyting and studying.
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This is similar to my 89-year-old father-in-law's schedule.
Except he doesn't "arise" until about 10:30 a.m. And sub out "watch Game Show Network" for proselyting and studying.
First thread of the morning, but I'm going to go ahead and give this one Benny's daily award for Outstanding Performance in the Field of Excellence.
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This is similar to my 89-year-old father-in-law's schedule.
Except he doesn't "arise" until about 10:30 a.m. And sub out "watch Game Show Network" for proselyting and studying.
Outstanding!
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Below is the daily schedule for all missionaries, straight from the LDS Church's official missionary handbook:
6:30 am - Arise, pray, exercise (30 minutes), and prepare for the day.
7:30 am - Breakfast.
8:00 am - Personal study: the Book of Mormon, other scriptures, missionary library, and Preach My Gospel (the missionary teaching manual).
9:00 am - Companion study: share what you have learned during personal study, prepare to teach, practice teaching, study chapters from Preach My Gospel, and confirm plans for the day.
10:00 am - Begin proselyting. You may take an hour for lunch and additional study, and an hour for dinner at times during the day that fit best with your proselyting time. Normally, dinner should be finished no later than 6:00 pm.
9:00 pm - Return to living quarters and plan the next day's activities (30 minutes). Write in your journal, prepare for bed, pray.
10:30 pm - Retire to bed.
Sounds absolutely miserable.
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Below is the daily schedule for all missionaries, straight from the LDS Church's official missionary handbook:
6:30 am - Arise, pray, exercise (30 minutes), and prepare for the day.
7:30 am - Breakfast.
8:00 am - Personal study: the Book of Mormon, other scriptures, missionary library, and Preach My Gospel (the missionary teaching manual).
9:00 am - Companion study: share what you have learned during personal study, prepare to teach, practice teaching, study chapters from Preach My Gospel, and confirm plans for the day.
10:00 am - Begin proselyting. You may take an hour for lunch and additional study, and an hour for dinner at times during the day that fit best with your proselyting time. Normally, dinner should be finished no later than 6:00 pm.
9:00 pm - Return to living quarters and plan the next day's activities (30 minutes). Write in your journal, prepare for bed, pray.
10:30 pm - Retire to bed.
Anyone else find it strange that they use this specific word so non-chalantly? I'm so used to hearing it in a negative way. Even despite any negative connotations of the word, I would think they would use some euphemism. I mean 'proselytize' sounds so cold.
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Anyone else find it strange that they use this specific word so non-chalantly? I'm so used to hearing it in a negative way. Even despite any negative connotations of the word, I would think they would use some euphemism. I mean 'proselytize' sounds so cold.
It is the word they use. Very openly.
Perhaps some insight into their insular world: my son's high school football team had many Mormons on the squad. One of them worked at a furniture store that is owned by an LDS family. He recommended our son for a job and when he went in for the interview he noticed that there was a large "LDS" in red letters stamped on the form. They mistakenly assumed he was Mormon because of the teammate's recommendation.
Months later the staff had a gathering that was LDS-centric and my son mentioned then that he was not LDS. Turns out he was the only employee who was not Mormon. The owners were somewhat taken aback and actually mumbled something about being surprised because he was so well-mannered.
On the positive side the Mormon community does take care of its own but they are very, very suspicious of non-believers. Our son was raised Roman Catholic but that effectively made him an infidel in their eyes. They are an extremely odd group.
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Pretty sure the NLI won't be binding when he returns from his mission and is largely symbolic.
The NLI is an agreement that a player will attend the institution for one academic year on the condition that the institution will provide a scholarship for one academic year. The term of an NLI is indefinite and binds the student to the institution until one of the following occurs:
1) The student-athlete completes one full academic year at the institution;
2) The student graduates from a two-year college (if the NLI was signed in HS); or
3) The student is released from the NLI by the institution
In other words, there is nothing symbolic about it. As soon as the NLI is signed, Bailey is committed to MU whether he enrolls next year, 2018 or 2028, and MU is committed to him.
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Where did you get this?
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Where did you get this?
Indianapolis.
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Sultan is correct. NLIs are good for one year. Going on a church mission after signing an NLI but before enrolling in school essentially makes the signee a free agent after completing his mission. The LDS has reduced the age for missions for men to 18 so guys can go on missions right out of high school. Was not a problem in the past since the higher age requirement led to guys enrolling and playing a year or two prior to going on their missions. There is an NCAA rule against tampering if the student goes on a mission during his school time. No such rule if the guy goes on a mission out of high school prior to enrolling.
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Sultan is correct. NLIs are good for one year. Going on a church mission after signing an NLI but before enrolling in school essentially makes the signee a free agent after completing his mission.
Based on the FAQ here...I think this is false (highlighting is mine)
http://www.nationalletter.org/frequentlyAskedQuestions/bindingAgreement.html
When I sign an NLI what do I agree to do?
When you sign an NLI, you agree to attend the institution listed on the NLI for one academic year in exchange for that institution awarding athletics financial aid for one academic year.
There is no stated limitation that the NLI is only valid for a calendar year.
Edit: Also...http://www.nationalletter.org/nliProvisions/nullAndVoid.html
If I am eligible for admission, but the institution named in this document defers my admission to a subsequent term, the NLI will be declared null and void; however, this NLI remains binding if I defer my admission.
Edit 2: And finally...http://www.nationalletter.org/nliProvisions/statuteLimitations.html
I am subject to the NLI penalty if I do not fulfill the agreement; however, if I do not attend an NLI member institution to fulfill the agreement or penalty and four years has elapsed since my signing date, the NLI is no longer binding. Therefore, this NLI is in full force and effect for a period of four years, commencing with the date I sign this NLI, if I do not attend an NLI member institution during the period of four years.
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www.athleticscholarships.net/what-is-the-national-letter-of-intent.htm (http://www.athleticscholarships.net/what-is-the-national-letter-of-intent.htm)
See Provision # 7, Items 3 and 4, re decalring an NLI null and void.
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I'm not an expert on NLI's, but my source is pretty reliant when it comes to these things. Take that for what you will, but I do want to point out that Rocky is citing the NLI's website while Nukem2 is citing a third-party "recruiting services" site. One other nugget:
This NLI shall be declared null and void if I have not attended any institution (two-year or four-year) for at least one academic year, provided my request for athletics financial aid for a subsequent fall term is denied by the signing institution.
Maybe I was a bit off in my hyperbole of 2028, but the rest appears to be true.
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I'm not an expert on NLI's, but my source is pretty reliant when it comes to these things. Take that for what you will, but I do want to point out that Rocky is citing the NLI's website while Nukem2 is citing a third-party "recruiting services" site. One other nugget:
Maybe I was a bit off in my hyperbole of 2028, but the rest appears to be true.
www.nationalletter.org (http://www.nationalletter.org)
Look at under NLI Provisions re making an NLI null and void.
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www.nationalletter.org (http://www.nationalletter.org)
Look at under NLI Provisions re making an NLI null and void.
It appears (if it were clear I doubt we'd be debating this), that it's up to Bailey if he wants to invoke the One Year Rule.
One-Year Absence. This NLI shall be declared null and void if I have not attended any institution (two-year or four-year) for at least one academic year, provided my request for athletics financial aid for a subsequent fall term is denied by the signing institution. Service in active duty with the U.S. armed forces or an official church mission for at least 12 months can use the One-Year Absence to null and void the NLI. I may still apply this provision if I initially enrolled in an NLI member institution but have been absent for at least one academic year. To apply this provision, I must file with the appropriate conference office a statement from the director of athletics that such athletics financial aid will not be available for the requested fall term.
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The first sentence of that paragraph is quite clear that the one year absence rule is only available if the institution doesn't honor the scholarship in a subsequent year.
It's up to MU, not Bailey.