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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: jesmu84 on October 11, 2015, 06:40:13 PM
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Lots of stuff coming out lately. "Not sober" during Arizona State game - assistants pulled him out of player huddle. "Not sober" during special teams meeting this morning.
How does Pat Haden not get fired?
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Lots of stuff coming out lately. "Not sober" during Arizona State game - assistants pulled him out of player huddle. "Not sober" during special teams meeting this morning.
How does Pat Haden not get fired?
Pat may be gone, but is generally well regarded by most on the human being \ intelligence side. He is worlds better than Mike Garrett who was turning a blind eye to a number of recruiting NCAA penalties.
That being said, it would not surprise me if Pat steps aside. He was a reluctant AD to begin with, asked by the school to clean up the mess Garrett, Pete Carroll, etc left.
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A lot of U Dub folks here are cheering at the demise of Sarkisian. And people in the PNW are very cordial lot so the depth of their disdain is telling.
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They were thrilled when he was hired away and they upgraded to Peterson.
Hope the guy gets help. I detest USC football as a UCLAN my entire life, but I do hope he can get help.
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They were thrilled when he was hired away and they upgraded to Peterson.
Hope the guy gets help. I detest USC football as a UCLAN my entire life, but I do hope he can get help.
Reminds me of Gary Moeller. But my favorite is Mike Price's meltdown in Pensacola with strippers and hookers. Priceless.
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Just another great leader of men, in the ridiculous world of big time college athletics. Being wired wrong is a prerequisite for the job to begin with, and half of them are alcoholics. This guy just took it to a higher level.
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Yeah I'm not gonna rip on the guy for having a disease. And he's not a terrible coach by any means. He took UW from dumpster fire status to respectable - just couldn't take the next jump.
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They were thrilled when he was hired away and they upgraded to Peterson.
Hope the guy gets help. I detest USC football as a UCLAN my entire life, but I do hope he can get help.
You're a UCLAN, too? I thought you were an Indianan, Kansasan and Marquettean. Any other "ans" in your life?
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You're a UCLAN, too? I thought you were an Indianan, Kansasan and Marquettean. Any other "ans" in your life?
Remember John Wooden? UCLA was the biggest overdog in the history of sports when Chico was a kid. You're surprised he's a fanboy of the Bruins?
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Remember John Wooden? UCLA was the biggest overdog in the history of sports when Chico was a kid. You're surprised he's a fanboy of the Bruins?
Now, now ... it's perfectly natural for kids to gravitate to winners. I was a big fan of the early-70s Dolphins and I didn't even live anywhere near Miami. I liked their uniforms ... and the fact that they never lost.
I wasn't accusing Chicos of anything (although every Scooper knows he loves Overdogs). I just was interested in knowing how many college teams he loves. Must be difficult when they play each other.
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http://deadspin.com/report-steve-sarkisians-issues-with-alcohol-go-back-to-1736037554?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
Man Pat Haden should have done a little more background work on him.
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Now, now ... it's perfectly natural for kids to gravitate to winners. I was a big fan of the early-70s Dolphins and I didn't even live anywhere near Miami. I liked their uniforms ... and the fact that they never lost.
I wasn't accusing Chicos of anything (although every Scooper knows he loves Overdogs). I just was interested in knowing how many college teams he loves. Must be difficult when they play each other.
As for UCLA...
http://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2015/10/11/report-former-ucla-adviser-alleges-academic-wrongdoing/
I for one am SHOCKED....just SHOCKED...that a Steve Alford staff is facing these types of accusations.
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http://deadspin.com/report-steve-sarkisians-issues-with-alcohol-go-back-to-1736037554?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
Man Pat Haden should have done a little more background work on him.
One of my colleagues who is a prof at UW mentioned today that Sarkisian was famous for submitting 4 figure bar bills. In an era of budget constraints that did not sit well with professors.
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Fired.
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Fired.
Should have been fired/never hired but I do wonder if there will be blow back to USC for firing a clearly troubled guy and basically saying good luck hope you can figure everything out on your own even though we've clearly known about this for at least 6 months if not a year.
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Should have been fired/never hired but I do wonder if there will be blow back to USC for firing a clearly troubled guy and basically saying good luck hope you can figure everything out on your own even though we've clearly known about this for at least 6 months if not a year.
I wonder how it would have played out if USC was 5-0.
Nevermind. We all know exactly how it would have played out.
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Should have been fired/never hired but I do wonder if there will be blow back to USC for firing a clearly troubled guy and basically saying good luck hope you can figure everything out on your own even though we've clearly known about this for at least 6 months if not a year.
Huh? What backlash could there possibly be? You're coaching 18-22 year old men while you're drunk. Goodbye and best of luck is exactly what you tell that guy. Much better off, for both sides.
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One of my colleagues who is a prof at UW mentioned today that Sarkisian was famous for submitting 4 figure bar bills. In an era of budget constraints that did not sit well with professors.
I hate to kick a guy while he's down, but Sark's "It's USC, it's USC" moment was the Fuskies biggest football win since the 2001 Rose Bowl.
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Huh? What backlash could there possibly be? You're coaching 18-22 year old men while you're drunk. Goodbye and best of luck is exactly what you tell that guy. Much better off, for both sides.
I'm not saying there should be backlash, just predicting there will be. Pat Haden is going to either be fired or resign/retire within the next couple of weeks as well(prediction).
There is no denying he has an issue and can't be around student atheletes but there will be backlash because USC has known about this for months and only did anything once the media found out and instead of suspending him and getting him help, they jettisoned him and ran from his as fast as they could.
There media will rally the "this is a disease" meme and there will be backlash, watch.
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I'm not saying there should be backlash, just predicting there will be. Pat Haden is going to either be fired or resign/retire within the next couple of weeks as well(prediction).
There is no denying he has an issue and can't be around student atheletes but there will be backlash because USC has known about this for months and only did anything once the media found out and instead of suspending him and getting him help, they jettisoned him and ran from his as fast as they could.
There media will rally the "this is a disease" meme and there will be backlash, watch.
I agree. What other disease would he be fired for having? Would they fire a coach after a cancer diagnosis?
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I agree. What other disease would he be fired for having? Would they fire a coach after a cancer diagnosis?
Q: Why did they put him on leave first?
A: to provide the lawyers time to figure out if they could fire him, how much they had to pay him, and what the potential exposure would be.
He may get some sort of settlement, but this is not going to be a thing.
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As for UCLA...
http://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2015/10/11/report-former-ucla-adviser-alleges-academic-wrongdoing/
I for one am SHOCKED....just SHOCKED...that a Steve Alford staff is facing these types of accusations.
I wonder if this leads back to UNM.
I hope so and makes them forfeit their Win against us. ;)
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You're a UCLAN, too? I thought you were an Indianan, Kansasan and Marquettean. Any other "ans" in your life?
Oh we've spoken about this in the past, but happy to oblige again.
Alum of IU, KU, MU. So yes, I cheer for them all, but the priorities are way different. MU always comes first, so to answer your question who I cheer for, it is easy. I even have a few credits at Cal State Northridge for Summer school....so when the Matadors are playing, I'll pull for them. Not hard, it's not like I'm a rabid KU football fan or something.
UCLA, I'm actually a UCLA football fan, hardly the darling of college football. A good program, sometimes very good, sometimes pretty lousy. My family were friends with Terry Donahue growing up. Our family very good friends with the Mora family (Dick Mora....brother of Jim Mora sr.). So it's great to see Jim Jr. coaching UCLA now. UCLA basketball is very far down my list. I can't stand Alford, so him leading the program only makes it worse. Larry Brown was a douche, Jim Harrick the same, so on and so forth.
Always happy to clarify for you. It's not hard at all and when you earn multiple degrees, you have a little allegiance for your alma mater(s). Just as Keefe will pull for Michigan, but I'm sure MU is well ahead of Michigan in the heart category.
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I wonder how it would have played out if USC was 5-0.
Nevermind. We all know exactly how it would have played out.
I agree. It is predictable. 5-0 with a drinking problem? Find out what he drinks and send him a case
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Should have been fired/never hired but I do wonder if there will be blow back to USC for firing a clearly troubled guy and basically saying good luck hope you can figure everything out on your own even though we've clearly known about this for at least 6 months if not a year.
I don't agree, but we'll see how it plays out. Yes, there might be a few whacky media types that go down this direction, but living out here most of the media are in bed with USC anyway and they are glad he is gone. They want the man to get well, they're thrilled he isn't the coach anymore. I suppose the non sports media will play up the "disease" angle, but I'm sorry....if a pilot was in this situation, or a train conductor or a teacher, the public would want them fired. In essence, the man was a teacher.
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Should have been fired/never hired but I do wonder if there will be blow back to USC for firing a clearly troubled guy and basically saying good luck hope you can figure everything out on your own even though we've clearly known about this for at least 6 months if not a year.
If you strapped Rhino on your ass reeking of cheap vodka I think your Skipper would be wishing you well in your post-Naval career.
I know people talk about alcoholism being a disease but when you sign up for a job you give your employer your word that you will show up every day, perform, observe essential social norms, and get along. Showing up drunk means that you are breaking your word.
Guys like Sarkisian need to get well on their own dime - especially since he is in a leadership role.
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It's not hard at all and when you earn multiple degrees, you have a little allegiance for your alma mater(s).
Typical liberal academic elite.
I knew it!
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Typical liberal academic elite.
I knew it!
When I retire in a few years, I'm definitely going to become a lecturer or work at a college kick'n back. I worked at a university for 5 years, might as well end my career that way. Maybe I'll swing by North Carolina for a brew with you.
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If you strapped Rhino on your ass reeking of cheap vodka I think your Skipper would be wishing you well in your post-Naval career.
I know people talk about alcoholism being a disease but when you sign up for a job you give your employer your word that you will show up every day, perform, observe essential social norms, and get along. Showing up drunk means that you are breaking your word.
Guys like Sarkisian need to get well on their own dime - especially since he is in a leadership role.
Don't misconstrue my post, I'm not endorsing the idea that there should be blowback for firing him....I was just speculating that there might be. Sark should absolutely be fired and quite frankly USC should be looking at further repercussions for staff and athletic department because he couldn't have had a problem this big and not have it know for years. There should be fall out for the leadership team letting it even get to this point and I think he was only fired because they couldn't explain away his absence to the media at Sunday practice.
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Don't misconstrue my post, I'm not endorsing the idea that there should be blowback for firing him....I was just speculating that there might be. Sark should absolutely be fired and quite frankly USC should be looking at further repercussions for staff and athletic department because he couldn't have had a problem this big and not have it know for years. There should be fall out for the leadership team letting it even get to this point and I think he was only fired because they couldn't explain away his absence to the media at Sunday practice.
I think MerrittsMustache summed it up best:
The coach of an unbeaten team drinks!!! What's the problem??
I actually lifted a quote from Abe Lincoln who, when told that US Grant as Commander of the Army of the Potomac drank a bottle of whisky a day, replied, "Find out what brand he drinks and send a case to all my other commanders!"
Outrage in this country is highly contextualized.
Some say that alcoholism is a disease. I actually had to let someone go because of his drinking. Magnificently gifted person but when the sleeping under his desk became routine it was time to show him the door. Funnily enough, after he missed an important meeting on the morning of March 18th because he woke up passed out on a stranger's floor because of too much St Patty's fun, he could not see how it was a problem because, "Hey! It was St. Patrick's Day!"
It is never an employer's burden to subsidize stupid behavior.