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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: Tugg Speedman on October 02, 2015, 02:15:08 PM
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This weekend (October 4)
October 2, 2015, 11:06 AM|Self-driving cars are already on the road in test drives with watchful researchers in them. How soon will the computerized cars become part of our lives? Bill Whitaker reports on Sunday, October 4 at 7 p.m. ET/PT.
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/preview-hands-off-the-wheel/
The video tease above is pretty interesting.
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https://www.youtube.com/v/0H5k--n7sFI
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https://www.youtube.com/v/sljrbjOhD6U
Boom.
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However soon will be too effen soon.
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However soon will be too effen soon.
I was talking to a student about this today. I completely disagree. However soon, will be too late. The roads will be substantially safer when we take the human out of the driving.
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I was talking to a student about this today. I completely disagree. However soon, will be too late. The roads will be substantially safer when we take the human out of the driving.
Perhaps, if the private enterprises and the government work together nearly perfectly to design the right cars and the right roadways.
In other words, I like the Rams' chances to win this year's Super Bowl better.
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Perhaps, if the private enterprises and the government work together nearly perfectly to design the right cars and the right roadways.
In other words, I like the Rams' chances to win this year's Super Bowl better.
This. For all the talk of what autonomous driving will do, the limiting factor in the next 25 years isn't the technology -- it's the infrastructure.
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I was talking to a student about this today. I completely disagree. However soon, will be too late. The roads will be substantially safer when we take the human out of the driving.
...and leave it the hackers.
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This. For all the talk of what autonomous driving will do, the limiting factor in the next 25 years isn't the technology -- it's the infrastructure.
Can you imagine today's Congress trying to come up with bipartisan ways to raise the money necessary to build our interstate system?
Jeepers creepers, we'd still be driving down dirt roads.
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...and leave it the hackers.
I trust hackers far more than the morons on the road now, or the drunks, drug addicts, phone using, make up applying, eating idiots we have to deal with right now.
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Can you imagine today's Congress trying to come up with bipartisan ways to raise the money necessary to build our interstate system?
Jeepers creepers, we'd still be driving down dirt roads.
Yep
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Got nailed in a speed trap in a small Texas town tonight. Assuming these cars know the speed limit its one more reason I'll rather let the car drive while I work on a laptop.
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It's funny how someone being killed by one computer controlled car is a catastrophe where as almost 1.3 million people die in the US every year with another 20-50 million injured and we don't think twice about driving ourselves anywhere. We average over 3200 traffic deaths a DAY in this country, shouldn't that be the bar we set for driverless cars, at least kill fewer people than humans are doing themselves?
What infrastructure do people think we need to build to support driveless technology?
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It's funny how someone being killed by one computer controlled car is a catastrophe where as almost 1.3 million people die in the US every year with another 20-50 million injured and we don't think twice about driving ourselves anywhere. We average over 3200 traffic deaths a DAY in this country, shouldn't that be the bar we set for driverless cars, at least kill fewer people than humans are doing themselves?
What infrastructure do people think we need to build to support driveless technology?
Uh, that stat is way off. In 2015 there were 38,300 traffic deaths or ~105 per day.
But point taken.
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It's funny how someone being killed by one computer controlled car is a catastrophe where as almost 1.3 million people die in the US every year with another 20-50 million injured and we don't think twice about driving ourselves anywhere. We average over 3200 traffic deaths a DAY in this country, shouldn't that be the bar we set for driverless cars, at least kill fewer people than humans are doing themselves?
What infrastructure do people think we need to build to support driveless technology?
That must be per month. Or worldwide?
Our country needs major infrastructure overhaul anyways so I'm down with this major improvement and capital investment.
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It's funny how someone being killed by one computer controlled car is a catastrophe where as almost 1.3 million people die in the US every year with another 20-50 million injured and we don't think twice about driving ourselves anywhere.
Well yeah, but there are all kinds of stats like this.
We freak out over terrorist attacks here, but more people are shot by toddlers. And not terrorist toddlers.
All kinds of examples of these kinds of things that feed into our human nature.
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Well yeah, but there are all kinds of stats like this.
We freak out over terrorist attacks here, but more people are shot by toddlers. And not terrorist toddlers.
All kinds of examples of these kinds of things that feed into our human nature.
How do you know the toddlers were not terrorists. Has this been investigated? Clearly our pre-schools and pre-pre-schools are being infiltrated by Les Assassins des Fauteuils Rollents.
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How do you know the toddlers were not terrorists. Has this been investigated? Clearly our pre-schools and pre-pre-schools are being infiltrated by Les Assassins des Fauteuils Rollents.
Quite frankly I thought toddler was French for terrorist
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That must be per month. Or worldwide?
Our country needs major infrastructure overhaul anyways so I'm down with this major improvement and capital investment.
The less as always, Google with caution...but the point remains, the bar isn't no deaths or accidents, it's fewer than we cause ourselves
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Quite frankly I thought toddler was French for terrorist
French or not, every toddler can terrorize you.
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I trust hackers far more than the morons on the road now, or the drunks, drug addicts, phone using, make up applying, eating idiots we have to deal with right now.
You forgot, shaving, make up placing, curling irons and those little portable "steely dans" thingys
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I'm happy that you old fogies will not be dangerously driving when you're senile. My grandma is still a driver in Wauwatosa, WI so watch out when you're there.
Jokes aside: This technology will do wonders for Senior independence.
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Those toddlers were simply exercising their 2nd amendment rights. God Bless America!
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I'd love nothing more than self-driving cars. I hate driving. If I ever move back to Chicago, I will live downtown so I don't have to own a car.
I'm just skeptical that government and/or private enterprise will be able to build the infrastructure necessary in my lifetime for self-driving cars to succeed on a wide scale.
I mean, the infrastructure that brings water to many of our major metro areas is crumbling and rotting, yet nobody can find the trillions necessary to rebuild them.
So I'm supposed to believe that trillions of dollars are going to be made available to redo our entire highway structure for driverless cars?
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I'd love nothing more than self-driving cars. I hate driving. If I ever move back to Chicago, I will live downtown so I don't have to own a car.
I'm just skeptical that government and/or private enterprise will be able to build the infrastructure necessary in my lifetime for self-driving cars to succeed on a wide scale.
I mean, the infrastructure that brings water to many of our major metro areas is crumbling and rotting, yet nobody can find the trillions necessary to rebuild them.
So I'm supposed to believe that trillions of dollars are going to be made available to redo our entire highway structure for driverless cars?
I think you're vastly overestimating what infrastructure is necessary. The industry recognized long ago that the ultimate success of self-driving vehicles rests on the ability of the cars' ability to operate independently, i.e. with minimal support from the "grid".
Consider this... look at the safety features the highways have in downtown Chicago: multiple lanes, center medians, barricades, lights, those little reflective things embedded in the ground... those don't exist in rural Colorado. But while any car that can drive on the Edens can drive in suburban Denver, not every car being driven from Naperville to the loop every morning is capable of driving to Vail in the snow... I suppose you could try, but you're going to fail. And if you don't think people are that dumb, fly to Denver after the first major snowfall of the season, rent a car, and a day or two later when the roads are clear and the sun is shining, drive west on I-70 and count how many Priuses and Jettas you still see stuck in the ditch.
In other words, the "self-drive" infrastructure in Chicago will be much more complex than the infrastructure in Peoria, but those differences will be driven by the interests of beefing up safety, not meeting the minimum requirements for self-driving cars. There will still be limitations on where self-driving cars can go, but - just like today - those limitations will be inherent to the vehicle's capabilities, not the infrastructure. The main difference will be that the self-driving Prius's limitations won't be overridden by the moron behind the wheel... if the weather is bad, the Prius ain't leaving SoDoSoPa.
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I'd love nothing more than self-driving cars. I hate driving. If I ever move back to Chicago, I will live downtown so I don't have to own a car.
I'm just skeptical that government and/or private enterprise will be able to build the infrastructure necessary in my lifetime for self-driving cars to succeed on a wide scale.
I mean, the infrastructure that brings water to many of our major metro areas is crumbling and rotting, yet nobody can find the trillions necessary to rebuild them.
So I'm supposed to believe that trillions of dollars are going to be made available to redo our entire highway structure for driverless cars?
The technology ports directly to the current infrastructure. We don't have to do anything to the highway structure to enable driverless cars, that's what's so revolutionary about it. If I deploy a driverless car today, the only thing I've changed is that the car is driving instead of me...nothing more has to be done. In fact, if we went to a universal driverless car society we could reduce our infrastructure footprint because humans are responsible the vast majority of traffic jams in the form of traffic accidents and/or gawker blocks. Plus a universal driverless car fleet would allow the cars to optimize themselves for best speed and efficiency based on destination (no more slow idiot riding in the left lane).
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The technology ports directly to the current infrastructure. We don't have to do anything to the highway structure to enable driverless cars, that's what's so revolutionary about it. If I deploy a driverless car today, the only thing I've changed is that the car is driving instead of me...nothing more has to be done. In fact, if we went to a universal driverless car society we could reduce our infrastructure footprint because humans are responsible the vast majority of traffic jams in the form of traffic accidents and/or gawker blocks. Plus a universal driverless car fleet would allow the cars to optimize themselves for best speed and efficiency based on destination (no more slow idiot riding in the left lane).
I assume the car is using a GPS. My new Honda, one year old Equinox and Cell phone GPS will not get me to my home; the map is about 3 blocks off. The GPS is spot on, but the map has my home address at different coordinates. Until they fix this self driving cars could take you to the wrong location. My home is 40 years old.
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I assume the car is using a GPS. My new Honda, one year old Equinox and Cell phone GPS will not get me to my home; the map is about 3 blocks off. The GPS is spot on, but the map has my home address at different coordinates. Until they fix this self driving cars could take you to the wrong location. My home is 40 years old.
Check out Google maps app....If you go to a location a couple of times it'll remember the coordinates regardless of them being in the database. Once driverless cars come to market the GPS database will be cloud enabled and the cars will "learn" locations that they don't have access to. Also keep in mind that driverless cars at least in the first 10 years will have a manual option so if you come up 100 ft short you can correct it.
Your point is a reasonable one but I think it's relatively easily overcome
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I want nothing of a car that has the ability to calculate that driving its passanger off a cliff might be the most minimized damage in an otherwise unavoidable accident.
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I wonder at which point in time, all you will be able to purchase is a self driving car. Would the government mandate that all have a manual control option. There will be folks who know how to drive, but I imagine there will be a lot who do not. Those folks would be at the mercy of technology if something were to go wrong.
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I have to imagine that defensive driving while in a self-driving car is hard and potentially dangerous. Tesla tells you to keep your hands on the wheel at all times and pay attention, but human psychology says most will do otherwise. Your car will always follow the rules of the road, but sometimes accident avoidance comes from violating those. How do you mesh those two things?
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I wonder at which point in time, all you will be able to purchase is a self driving car. Would the government mandate that all have a manual control option. There will be folks who know how to drive, but I imagine there will be a lot who do not. Those folks would be at the mercy of technology if something were to go wrong.
There may very well be roads that are restricted to self-driving cars only (especially in dense, urban areas) at some point, but will the "human-driven" vehicle ever be outright banned? Probably not. I think the reason you mentioned regarding being at the mercy of technology is relevant... even though the likelihood of failure may be a statistical impossibility, there needs to be some sort of fail-safe.
Keep in mind that one of the primary reasons our interstate highway system exists is for mass movement of people and supplies in the event of emergency, evacuation or invasion. For purposes of defense, health and/or safety in the event of a war, outbreak or other major disaster, I would think there would need to be some sort of protocol where people could move freely and independently in the event of of an emergency.
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Anybody posting in this thread that would out right never ride in a driverless car? Trying to determine if the resistance is around needing to understand the technology more or just not believing in it as feasible/good idea
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Anybody posting in this thread that would out right never ride in a driverless car? Trying to determine if the resistance is around needing to understand the technology more or just not believing in it as feasible/good idea
I consciously choose not to be an early adopter of new technology, and am also not a huge believer in the "Internet of things" movement. Consumer protection laws are woefully outdated to protect consumers from the new risks that not even the companies selling products know they're exposed to.
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I consciously choose not to be an early adopter of new technology, and am also not a huge believer in the "Internet of things" movement. Consumer protection laws are woefully outdated to protect consumers from the new risks that not even the companies selling products know they're exposed to.
Funny you bring up IoT, as that is pretty much what my whole career is right now. The amount of "old school" concepts and technology in IoT is startling....it's 50% marketing spin and 50% technology that's existed for years that we finally figured out how to tie together.
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Funny you bring up IoT, as that is pretty much what my whole career is right now. The amount of "old school" concepts and technology in IoT is startling....it's 50% marketing spin and 50% technology that's existed for years that we finally figured out how to tie together.
My problem with IoT is that it is a new metric to ensure sequestration of wealth in the hands of a few.
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That must be per month. Or worldwide?
Our country needs major infrastructure overhaul anyways so I'm down with this major improvement and capital investment.
Worldwide.
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My problem with IoT is that it is a new metric to ensure sequestration of wealth in the hands of a few.
Completely disagree. It certainly could be used to do that, but the primary benefit is enabling worldwide access to capabilities and services that individuals would not otherwise be able to have/partake in. If you want to argue the value prop is out of balance with the revenue collection that's one thing, but to say it is inherently a wealth concentrator is incorrect.
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Most car accidents are caused by human error. We are talking about about 4+ million accidents per year with about 2.5 million deaths and injuries.
This human error would be basically eliminated.
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Most car accidents are caused by human error. We are talking about about 4+ million accidents per year with about 2.5 million deaths and injuries.
This human error would be basically eliminated.
that would suck for those "1 call that's all" guys
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Most car accidents are caused by human error. We are talking about about 4+ million accidents per year with about 2.5 million deaths and injuries.
This human error would be basically eliminated.
Or at least reduced proportionally to those who allowed the car to do the driving. The human element in driving scenarios is actually the most difficult aspect of driverless cars because humans are largely unpredictable/inconsistent in driving scenarios
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that would suck for those "1 call that's all" guys
Don't underestimate the legal lobby looking to undercut driverless car technology for that very reason.
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I think one of the benefits of self driving cars would be for those individuals who were caught driving while intoxicated. In my state, NJ, and you are of average weight 3 beers would put you over the limit; first offense is 7 months suspension of ones driving privileges. One could atleast rent a self driving car to get to and from work.
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I think one of the benefits of self driving cars would be for those individuals who were caught driving while intoxicated. In my state, NJ, and you are of average weight 3 beers would put you over the limit; first offense is 7 months suspension of ones driving privileges. One could atleast rent a self driving car to get to and from work.
Or if they owned a self driving car they wouldn't even get a DUI in the first place
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Or if they owned a self driving car they wouldn't even get a DUI in the first place
Don't underestimate the legal lobby looking to undercut driverless car technology for that very reason.
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Funny you bring up IoT, as that is pretty much what my whole career is right now. The amount of "old school" concepts and technology in IoT is startling....it's 50% marketing spin and 50% technology that's existed for years that we finally figured out how to tie together.
It is, and that's why it's scary. It has huge opportunity and huge risks. What I'll say is this - companies should have the means and intelligence within their IT functions to be fully aware of the risks they're taking on and controlling/not controlling. Consumers do not and will not, which is precisely why it's so scary to watch the consumerism rate of adoption.
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Don't underestimate the legal lobby looking to undercut driverless car technology for that very reason.
Plus truckers (and all truck-associated things like towns that exist because of truckstops, etc), public transit workers/drivers, UPS/delivery drivers, etc, etc,.
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Plus truckers (and all truck-associated things like towns that exist because of truckstops, etc), public transit workers/drivers, UPS/delivery drivers, etc, etc,.
I want to meet a truck-stop lobbyist. I wonder if they smell like hash browns and peach cobbler.
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I want to meet a truck-stop lobbyist. I wonder if they smell like hash browns and peach cobbler.
not that exactly but slightly related to politics and corruption: http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2016/02/09/former-pilot-flying-j-president-indicted-federal-charges/80055878/
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I want to meet a truck-stop lobbyist. I wonder if they smell like hash browns and peach cobbler.
With just just a hint of baby powder and regret
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I want nothing of a car that has the ability to calculate that driving its passanger off a cliff might be the most minimized damage in an otherwise unavoidable accident.
You do realize the reason the car would calculate you driving off the cliff is probably because the other driving was drunk/texting causing it to make the decision in the first place? Seriously I don't get why a death by computer calculation is so much worst than thousands of deaths by human negligence.
I can see a point in twenty years when drivers are banned. You can't drive safely with traffic going 100+ but computers can on a highway. What to drive? Fine take the frontage roads and side roads but the majority of people want a safer ride that will cut transportation time by 30%
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So what will one these self driving cars cost.
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http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/09/20/technology/self-driving-cars-guidelines.html?action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=64336911&pgtype=Homepage&_r=1&referer=
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I have to imagine that widespread usage would improve traffic issues significantly. How many traffic jams occur when there are people looking at what's going on alongside the road rather than any actual lane reduction? Even lane reduction would likely be smoother with cars in sync for zipper patterns. I say bring on our new technological overlords.
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I have to imagine that widespread usage would improve traffic issues significantly. How many traffic jams occur when there are people looking at what's going on alongside the road rather than any actual lane reduction? Even lane reduction would likely be smoother with cars in sync for zipper patterns. I say bring on our new technological overlords.
Unfortunately, people like me will drive twice as much which will negate some of the benefits. (And by drive I mean send my car to a store to pick up a package instead of waiting fir tomorrow)
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https://youtu.be/iHzzSao6ypE
https://youtu.be/4oqfodY2Lz0
Combining those 2 videos... Human behavior sucks in general. And it isn't going to change anytime soon. Bring on the self driving cars.
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https://youtu.be/iHzzSao6ypE
https://youtu.be/4oqfodY2Lz0
Combining those 2 videos... Human behavior sucks in general. And it isn't going to change anytime soon. Bring on the self driving cars.
I've been trying to explain the premise of the first video for years to no avail. All it takes is one person riding his/her brakes to start a traffic jam and cause major accidents.
Frankly, the second best idea to self-driving cars is the law of 70... if you're over 70 years old or can't drive 70 mph, you're banned.
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I continue to be conflicted between my love of the act of propelling a vehicle and my loathing of other people and their inadequate skills and cellphone addiction.
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I continue to be conflicted between my love of the act of propelling a vehicle and my loathing of other people and their inadequate skills and cellphone addiction.
Will/should emergency vehicles also make the switch to self-driving? If all cars are self-driving it should be simple for those to make room for an emergency vehicle.
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Will/should emergency vehicles also make the switch to self-driving? If all cars are self-driving it should be simple for those to make room for an emergency vehicle.
Will and should
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Will/should emergency vehicles also make the switch to self-driving? If all cars are self-driving it should be simple for those to make room for an emergency vehicle.
I would be absolutely shocked if we didn't at some point. Vehicle accidents are the #2 cause of fatalities for fire and emergency medical personnel. Now granted, a high number of those are from volunteers that are responding in personal vehicles, but there's not a person on this job that hasn't seen emergency vehicles involved in or tangentially related to accidents that occur around them. I've been involved in an accident while driving (rear-ended while at a complete stop making a turn with lights and siren going) and know of scores of others.
In Milwaukee, there has been a push for ambulances to use lights and siren less frequently when responding to medical calls (for private ambulances like Bell & Paratech) and when transporting to the hospital (for all ambulances, including Advanced Life Support like Milwaukee Paramedic units). We're using less lights and siren in a hope to be safer, but also because drivers too often don't know how to respond when they see an emergency response vehicle behind them. I've seen people run red lights, stop dead in traffic, pull to the left, start speeding as fast as possible to avoid pulling over, and become involved in accidents themselves because they have no clue what to do when there's an emergency vehicle responding in their vicinity (the correct answer is calmly pull to the right and come to a complete stop).
When it comes to the fire service, what makes dollars makes sense. Bear in mind that while we may see this for passenger vehicles relatively soon, it may be more difficult to implement the technology in a 30-ton fire truck that needs to be programmed to respond in an emergency fashion. Most ambulances are far more like a passenger vehicle, so I could see that coming sooner (think of driving them similar to driving a U-Haul) but I'm not sure it will be as easy to convert the technology when you are talking about an engine or ladder.
Also, it's entirely possible that actual emergency response (lights and siren) will remain in the control of a human being. That said, if every vehicle out there is correctly pulling to the right, it will make the driver's job much easier. At the end of the day, it will be about safety. I always tell new drivers that their most important job is to follow the safety procedures (completely stopping at every red light/stop sign, checking blind spots, using spotters when backing up) and make sure that they and their co-workers go home safely in the morning. Whatever accomplishes that I will be 100% in favor of.