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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: muwarrior69 on April 20, 2015, 09:02:27 AM
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http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2015/04/20/pete-rose-hopes-to-be-hit-with-fox-but-gig-not-end-to-lifetime-ban/?intcmp=latestnews
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Sunday Night Baseball was talking about Rose during the Cards/Reds game last night. With the All-Star Game in Cincinnati this year, I'm sure we'll see more of Pete.
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Good. He has been punished long enough. Put him in the Hall.
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Good. He has been punished long enough. Put him in the Hall.
John Hinckley on Saturday, now Pete Rose......
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Good. He has been punished long enough. Put him in the Hall.
Completely disagree. Lifetime ban. Nothing compromises the integrity of the game the players betting on it, except for the manager betting on it. I say keep him out. It is very well understood what gambling on baseball gets you. He knew what he was doing, and did it anyways. Really, I don't understand the groundswell to get him in.
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Completely disagree. Lifetime ban. Nothing compromises the integrity of the game the players betting on it, except for the manager betting on it. I say keep him out. It is very well understood what gambling on baseball gets you. He knew what he was doing, and did it anyways. Really, I don't understand the groundswell to get him in.
Ummmmmm, because the HoF is simply a museum and Rose is the all-time hits leader?
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Rose should get in when the term of his ban is over. When he is dead.
He bet on baseball as a manager and then repeatedly lied about it. Don't feel sorry for him in the least.
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Mortal sin in sports....absolutely, positively, cannot...ever...ever...ever bet on your sport. Then when you lie about it, you're just doubling down. Sorry Pete. You were wrong, punishments are there for a reason.
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Let him in. Never bet against his own team. If you bet on your own team so what? Who does it hurt?
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Let him in. Never bet against his own team. If you bet on your own team so what? Who does it hurt?
The issue with gambling isn't that it impacts how a manager (or player) performs with respect to their team, but if they rack up losses, they might be indebted to someone to throw a game or shave points.
It is a complete no no in college or professional sports. Impacts the very integrity of the game.
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Rose should get in when the term of his ban is over. When he is dead.
He bet on baseball as a manager and then repeatedly lied about it. Don't feel sorry for him in the least.
Insert Barry Bonds, et al in here. The cheaters changed the betting dynamics and should be banned for life as well. No difference, in fact, one could argue this was worse in terms of the betting implications and compromising the good of the game. But, that is Bud's legacy.
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He agreed to a LIFETIME BAN. Not a semi-lifetime ban.
When do we put Shoeless Joe in the Hall....he's suffered enough...and he's dead.
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He agreed to a LIFETIME BAN. Not a semi-lifetime ban.
When do we put Shoeless Joe in the Hall....he's suffered enough...and he's dead.
I don't think either should get in. How do you know Rose didn't bet against his own team? And betting on your team when you are a manager is bad since you may alter the way you manage a game (using a tired reliever etc) to the detriment of your season.
That said, if Rose gets in eventually, it is not the worst thing in the world. Jackson, on the other hand, took money to lose World Series games on purpose. That is absolutely unforgivable.
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I heard on the radio this morning that he has secretly been meeting with new MLB President Manfred.
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It's the worst HOF in sports (admittance-wise), let him in.
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It's the worst HOF in sports (admittance-wise), let him in.
Folks been to other sports HOF? Been to all the big ones Football, Baseball, and basketball. Basketball by far was most depressing, followed by football then Cooperstown. The fact the C'Town, as a whole town is geeked for baseball I think adds to the nostalgia.
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Folks been to other sports HOF? Been to all the big ones Football, Baseball, and basketball. Basketball by far was most depressing, followed by football then Cooperstown. The fact the C'Town, as a whole town is geeked for baseball I think adds to the nostalgia.
I think the HOF itself is great, but it's a crapshow when it comes to the process of getting in and the controversy around it.
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Folks been to other sports HOF? Been to all the big ones Football, Baseball, and basketball. Basketball by far was most depressing, followed by football then Cooperstown. The fact the C'Town, as a whole town is geeked for baseball I think adds to the nostalgia.
Heard the hockey HOF in Toronto is the best of all of them and it's not even close. Never been, that's just what I've heard.
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Folks been to other sports HOF? Been to all the big ones Football, Baseball, and basketball. Basketball by far was most depressing, followed by football then Cooperstown. The fact the C'Town, as a whole town is geeked for baseball I think adds to the nostalgia.
I would agree, but I think they all kinda suck.
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I love baseball but the HOF is such a mess. The whole thing is about controversy of who gets in and who doesn't before it's about celebrating the players
Larry Walker can't get in because he played in Coors Field.
Tim Raines can't get in?? He went six years in a row getting over 180 hits. Good lord what a bunch of jerks they have running things.
Greg Maddux isn't a unanimous first balloter?
Just put the best players in and let people talk about the player's careers and not the stupid system.
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Heard the hockey HOF in Toronto is the best of all of them and it's not even close. Never been, that's just what I've heard.
I've been to the Basketball HOF in Springfield, MA, Cooperstown and the Hockey HOF. I liked them all, probably baseball & hockey more so than the basketball HOF. However, the Basketball HOF is way way better than it was since they opened the new building about a dozen years ago.
Does the Rock & Roll HOF count? I've been there too.
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I've been to the Basketball HOF in Springfield, MA, Cooperstown and the Hockey HOF. I liked them all, probably baseball & hockey more so than the basketball HOF. However, the Basketball HOF is way way better than it was since they opened the new building about a dozen years ago.
Does the Rock & Roll HOF count? I've been there too.
Nothing in Cleveland counts. Nothing good has ever come out of Cleveland.
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Nothing in Cleveland counts. Nothing good has ever come out of Cleveland.
Dortmunder Gold.
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Nothing in Cleveland counts. Nothing good has ever come out of Cleveland.
Tony Miller was OK.
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I've been to the Basketball HOF in Springfield, MA, Cooperstown and the Hockey HOF. I liked them all, probably baseball & hockey more so than the basketball HOF. However, the Basketball HOF is way way better than it was since they opened the new building about a dozen years ago.
Does the Rock & Roll HOF count? I've been there too.
How was that? I'm likely headed to Cleveland for a conference this summer. Is that worth my time?
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How was that? I'm likely headed to Cleveland for a conference this summer. Is that worth my time?
I've been there twice. The first time, like you, I was in town for work and I ran through in like 30-40 minutes because I had a plane to catch. The next visit I was with the family and we took our time. They have a lot of interactive stuff and unique items like pieces of plane from the Otis Redding plane crash and an East German Trabant car from the U2 Zooropa Tour. My kids enjoyed the stage costumes display and the special exhibit of Women in Rock that included Lady Gaga's Meat Dress and some Tina Turner items (which somehow they became fans of?). Plus it's an interesting building itself sitting on Lake Eire next to a pier, the Great Lakes Science Center and the Browns Stadium and a WW2 submarine with views of the Cleveland skyline.
As a music fan, I thought it was worth the visit.
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I've been there twice. The first time, like you, I was in town for work and I ran through in like 30-40 minutes because I had a plane to catch. The next visit I was with the family and we took our time. They have a lot of interactive stuff and unique items like pieces of plane from the Otis Redding plane crash and an East German Trabant car from the U2 Zooropa Tour. My kids enjoyed the stage costumes display and the special exhibit of Women in Rock that included Lady Gaga's Meat Dress and some Tina Turner items (which somehow they became fans of?). Plus it's an interesting building itself sitting on Lake Eire next to a pier, the Great Lakes Science Center and the Browns Stadium and a WW2 submarine with views of the Cleveland skyline.
As a music fan, I thought it was worth the visit.
Much appreciated.
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Let him in. Never bet against his own team. If you bet on your own team so what? Who does it hurt?
Your stud reliever has worked three straight games and really needs a day off. But you've got 50K on today's game and you're leading 5-3. Unlike most games that you simply want to win, you NEED to win this one because you've got 50K on it and you're already in debt 100K to your bookie. So you pitch your exhausted reliever, whose mechanics are messed up and he blows out his elbow and he's done for the year and his career might never be the same.
Substitute the stud starter for the above scenario. He has worked 8 tough innings and he's tired but your bullpen blows. It's just some June game so, if you didn't have money on it you would just go to the bullpen and take your chances. But you have 50K on it so you HAVE to win. So you roll the dice that your starter can give you one more inning.
Substitute an extra-innings scenario where a reliever has worked 6 innings and you have no pitchers left. If you didn't have 50K on the game, you might do what countless managers before you have done and throw a shortstop or outfielder on the mound. But you've got 50K on it so you make the pitcher work another inning.
Those are just three examples. I could give others. Betting on your team not an acceptable excuse.
Back in my writing days, my "solution" to the Rose situation was this:
He never was accused of better as a player, and so he should be eligible to go into the Hall as a player; let the BBWAA use its discretion to vote on him, just as its members have the discretion to vote on juicers. Meanwhile, because he was a steward of the game as a manager and he knowingly and brazenly broke the rules, he should be forever barred from having anything to do with baseball: he can't serve as a manager, GM, consultant, broadcaster, ambassador, etc.
What in fact has happened is that baseball has gone the other way: They've let him back into the game in some minor ambassador-type roles and apparently now as an announcer. Which means they've let a guy who broke Rule No. 1 as a steward of the game become a representative of the sport he disrespected. But they won't let him be considered to have a plaque in a museum.
Having said all that, if Rose is never let in the Hall, it wouldn't bother me one iota. He didn't make a "mistake," he knowingly violated baseball's oldest and most stringent rule and then lied about it for more than a decade.