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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on April 11, 2015, 01:01:37 PM
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AS THE ROSTER CURRENTLY STANDS, some things I think going forward.
Strengths: Athleticism, switchability at the 1-2-3, size.
Weaknesses: Depth up front, youth, known 3 pt shooting, rebounding.
I am looking forward to seeing Wally, as well as another year of growth from Duane, Sandy, and JJJ. With only 10 scholarship players, the freshmen are going to have to be ready from day 1. All of the freshmen, not just Henry. How fast will Heldt be ready? When Henry needs a rest at the stretch 4, who will come in? Can Heldt and Fischer play next to each other for a few minutes a game? Will Wally and/or Sandy be able to play a few minutes at the 4? Will this team be able to play the extended pressure man-to-man that Wojo envisions, or will he be forced again to mix and match zones?
I think MU will spend a fair amount of time in a 3 guard set. (I consider Wally and Sandy 3's by virtue of height) I think that Wally and Sandy will get minutes as a stretch 4 when Henry is on the bench. If Haanif/Amin are ready instantly, I can see some small-ish ball, Duane-JJJ-Haanif/Sacar-Wally-Luke, for example. I can also see Henry getting minutes at the 5 defensively when Wojo wants to press. In that case, offensively, it would probably be some 5-out motion.
Everybody coming back from last year needs to get in the weight room. Everybody needs to be on board the Italy trip, as the newcomers are going to have to rapidly get up to speed. I anticipate additional players and more conversations a year from now about transfers. And when the additional players are announced, I will disavow all of these thoughts.
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Next years team is the most difficult to predict in memory.
You could have an interesting conversation just about point guard.
What are we getting in Traci Carter? Does he start with Duane at the 2 or does Duane start?
I wonder if Wojo even knows at this point.
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I'm not sure Wojo even knows what to hope for at the point. Do we want Carter to take over from day 1? If he does, what does that do the rotation at the 2-3? How many MPG can he actually play? You said what I was trying to get at. The 15-16 team is one giant question mark.
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Next years team is the most difficult to predict in memory.
You could have an interesting conversation just about point guard.
What are we getting in Traci Carter? Does he start with Duane at the 2 or does Duane start?
I wonder if Wojo even knows at this point.
Considering expectations in the past seemed to have been to high, really difficult to say. We always go into the season hopeful. For this season to be interesting, we will need a few players to surprise to the upside.
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Too early to think about it. Let's enjoy the spring and summer, guys.
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Too early to think about it. Let's enjoy the spring and summer, guys.
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Too early to think about it. Let's enjoy the spring and summer, guys.
Got tired of politics. Thought I would try basketball.
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If Wally is our back up 4 we are screwed.
Thankful. There is like no chance that ends up the case.
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I think it's too early to tell and depends so much on guys that aren't on the roster yet. We need some beef and another point wouldn't hurt.
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If Wally is our back up 4 we are screwed.
Thankful. There is like no chance that ends up the case.
Careful, Sandy was the backup 4 for some of the year. I believe he even started a few games there.
I'm not saying Wally should be the primary backup but I bet he'll get some time there.
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Some generic thoughts: I think the team will be really fun to watch. I think Duane will be one of the best players in the Big East. I will try to get to more than one game this year. I think Wally is going to make SportsCenter (eww, ESPN) top ten at some point. We are going to lose more than we'd like but we will improve throughout the year and compete like hell. I think this team has some guys who can give the team the kind of personality I want to see: playing nasty and with a bit of swagger. I think Henry will be back for a second year.
We'll see.
I also think MU basketball is on its way back. Ring out.
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Careful, Sandy was the backup 4 for some of the year. I believe he even started a few games there.
I'm not saying Wally should be the primary backup but I bet he'll get some time there.
we were 13-19 so that's not really a ringing endorsement lol.
But we will add a 4 of some kind im almost certain.
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we were 13-19 so that's not really a ringing endorsement lol.
But we will add a 4 of some kind im almost certain.
No idea what the roster will end up as but you're underselling Wally. If he improved his jump shot in the year off (and reports have said he has) he can contribute on a good team.
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No idea what the roster will end up as but you're underselling Wally. If he improved his jump shot in the year off (and reports have said he has) he can contribute on a good team.
I've stated on here many times that I think people are overselling him unless he gas improved DRAMATICALLY.
And either way he is not a 4 even if he turns out to be solid and improved.
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I've stated on here many times that I think people are overselling him unless he gas improved DRAMATICALLY.
And either way he is not a 4 even if he turns out to be solid and improved.
I'll give you that. Definitely more of a wing than a 4.
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Wally is gonna be a fun guy to watch this year. He will be a fan favorite very early.
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If Wally is our back up 4 we are screwed.
Thankful. There is like no chance that ends up the case.
You continue to sell Wally short. Prepared to be pleasantly surprised!
I've stated on here many times that I think people are overselling him unless he gas improved DRAMATICALLY.
And either way he is not a 4 even if he turns out to be solid and improved.
You need to stop looking at the stats from Minnesota. They are useless. Think of him as a brand new player. And no, Wally is not a 4. But he is the biggest player on our roster after Henry, Luke, and Matt. So as the roster stands, he is our backup 4. But I agree, we should be able to land another player who could play the 4.
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Wally barely played as a freshman because he was a new player on a very good, experienced team. His sophomore year he was never given a chance by the new coach.
As a high school player he was a high flyer with a solid jumper. He'll have had a year and a half to refine his game and settle in with a coach that wants him here. I don't expect him to be a star, but do think he can be a reliable contributor to this team.
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You continue to sell Wally short. Prepared to be pleasantly surprised!
You need to stop looking at the stats from Minnesota. They are useless. Think of him as a brand new player. And no, Wally is not a 4. But he is the biggest player on our roster after Henry, Luke, and Matt. So as the roster stands, he is our backup 4. But I agree, we should be able to land another player who could play the 4.
I'm not looking at his stats. I haven't missed a gopher game in years(unless it's on the same time as MU, then the gophers get only during commercial treatment).
I have watched the kid play far more than you have. He's biggest issue was he couldn't guard me. We're going to play him at the 4? Literally zero chance.
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Wally barely played as a freshman because he was a new player on a very good, experienced team. His sophomore year he was never given a chance by the new coach.
As a high school player he was a high flyer with a solid jumper. He'll have had a year and a half to refine his game and settle in with a coach that wants him here. I don't expect him to be a star, but do think he can be a reliable contributor to this team.
Very good for gopher standards maybe. They were an 11 seed. Granted they did actually win a game.
Then his sophomore year it was an NIT team.
Wally is going to be the hustle guy. He will do some of the little things to help us win at times but that is probably what it's gonna max out at.
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Very good for gopher standards maybe. They were an 11 seed. Granted they did actually win a game.
Then his sophomore year it was an NIT team.
Wally is going to be the hustle guy. He will do some of the little things to help us win at times but that is probably what it's gonna max out at.
Very good in terms of depth ahead of him. And he was out of Pitino's plans before conference play started. Thinking Wally won't be able to contribute here because of his sophomore year with a coach that didn't want him would be like saying Deonte Burton won't play for ISU because he didn't feature for Wojo.
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Very good in terms of depth ahead of him. And he was out of Pitino's plans before conference play started. Thinking Wally won't be able to contribute here because of his sophomore year with a coach that didn't want him would be like saying Deonte Burton won't play for ISU because he didn't feature for Wojo.
No it's not lol. Not even close.
You are really trying to compare what deonte did and Wally?
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No it's not lol. Not even close.
You are really trying to compare what deonte did and Wally?
Yes. Neither did anything as sophomores because they didn't fit into the new coach's system.
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Yes. Neither did anything as sophomores because they didn't fit into the new coach's system.
Wally hasn't done anything as a D1 basketball player. Deonte has shown plenty of talent on the court and been able to at least play.
They are not comparable even in the slightest.
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Wally hasn't done anything as a D1 basketball player. Deonte has shown plenty of talent on the court and been able to at least play.
They are not comparable even in the slightest.
They are comparable in that not playing for a new coach probably should be taken with a grain of salt. I know that Wally isn't as good as Deonte, but between one injury year and one year with a new coach, I wouldn't doubt that he is better than you are giving him credit for. He is pretty much an unknown.
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They are comparable in that not playing for a new coach probably should be taken with a grain of salt. I know that Wally isn't as good as Deonte, but between one injury year and one year with a new coach, I wouldn't doubt that he is better than you are giving him credit for. He is pretty much an unknown.
While of course I'd love to be wrong about Wally because if he turns out to be good then we could have a really nice year. Since I am already more optimistic than most about next year even if I'm pessimistic about Wally.
That said I don't think I am selling him short, I just think most are too high on a guy whose proven nothing. I like him being on our team, I just think he's a role guy Juan style pre senior year just hopefully not nearly as frustrating.
But I keep seeing people picking him to be the starter at the 3(as of now) and 4 back up(as of now). But truth is he is not better than JJJ or even Sandy and would be abused guarding a 4.
All I'm saying. People shouldn't expect more than 5-6 PPG.
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Wally looked good in the madness scrimmage, but maybe that was a good indication of how bad last year's team was going to be. Wally could over all be better than Burton. He probably cannot score like Burton can, but Burton could not play defense. My prediction is that Wojo thinks it is a good idea to start Wally and Henry gets mad and transfers at mid-season.
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I'm not looking at his stats. I haven't missed a gopher game in years(unless it's on the same time as MU, then the gophers get only during commercial treatment).
I have watched the kid play far more than you have. He's biggest issue was he couldn't guard me.
Watched him play what? He was injured his first year and written off by his coach the second year. He hasn't been given an opportunity yet. I don't think he's going to be a starter, but I think he will be a solid part of the rotation. I have heard very good things have been happening in the Al this season.
We're going to play him at the 4? Literally zero chance.
Wally is our fourth largest player. When Luke, Matt, and Henry are all worn out or in foul trouble, who are you going to put in the game? You can't expect three players to hold down two positions for an entire season. Our only options are Sandy and Wally and I would rather have Wally there than Sandy. Hell, I'd rather have Wally at the 4 than Matt at this point. Now I do think we will recruit some sort of big forward who will play the four over Wally. But as the roster stands now, he's the backup 4.
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Watched him play what? He was injured his first year and written off by his coach the second year. He hasn't been given an opportunity yet. I don't think he's going to be a starter, but I think he will be a solid part of the rotation. I have heard very good things have been happening in the Al this season.
Wally is our fourth largest player. When Luke, Matt, and Henry are all worn out or in foul trouble, who are you going to put in the game? You can't expect three players to hold down two positions for an entire season. Our only options are Sandy and Wally and I would rather have Wally there than Sandy. Hell, I'd rather have Wally at the 4 than Matt at this point. Now I do think we will recruit some sort of big forward who will play the four over Wally. But as the roster stands now, he's the backup 4.
Dude I don't know how much more simply I can tell you this. He would get eaten alive guarding 4s. The reason TWO coaches wouldn't let him on the floor is because he wouldn't defend. You try to say how little he actually played as if it means I didn't watch him enough. Actually it supports my point. I say him play, he wasn't good. It was only limited however because he wasn't good.
Thank lord we will have a fuller roster next year with plenty of options so Wallys PT will more than likely be earned. Because as of right now it appears Wally will be this years version of defend him at all costs.
Nobody has seen this kid play in any games unless it's with the gophers. It's far more outrageous to say he's going to be a good player and pick up minutes at the 4 than to say no at this point.
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Dude I don't know how much more simply I can tell you this. He would get eaten alive guarding 4s. The reason TWO coaches wouldn't let him on the floor is because he wouldn't defend. You try to say how little he actually played as if it means I didn't watch him enough. Actually it supports my point. I say him play, he wasn't good. It was only limited however because he wasn't good.
Did you read TAMU and other's posts? Who else on the current roster would play the 4 to spell Henry? I know I sure wouldn't want Sandy there.
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Did you read TAMU and other's posts? Who else on the current roster would play the 4 to spell Henry? I know I sure wouldn't want Sandy there.
O dear lord.
I REALIZE that. Did you not read mine? I'm saying we are screwed if Wally plays the 4 because he simply CANNOT guard a 4. So, wojo will absolutely find someone who can back it up because we will be quite literally screwed rolling with Wally/Sandy as 4
Back ups if Henry ever gets in foul trouble.
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O dear lord.
I REALIZE that. Did you not read mine? I'm saying we are screwed if Wally plays the 4 because he simply CANNOT guard a 4. So, wojo will absolutely find someone who can back it up because we will be quite literally screwed rolling with Wally/Sandy as 4
Back ups if Henry ever gets in foul trouble.
You can play Heldt and Fisher together if Henry gets in foul trouble.
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O dear lord.
I REALIZE that. Did you not read mine? I'm saying we are screwed if Wally plays the 4 because he simply CANNOT guard a 4. So, wojo will absolutely find someone who can back it up because we will be quite literally screwed rolling with Wally/Sandy as 4
Back ups if Henry ever gets in foul trouble.
You're exact quote was We're going to play him at the 4? Literally zero chance.
But unless we get a stud forward, there is a 100% chance that he will be played at the 4. I'm optimistic, but I am also tracking every grad transfer for PT. There is only about 20 graduate transfers that I would consider worthy of a Marquette scholarship. Of those 20, only 8 are post players.
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Nobody has seen this kid play in any games unless it's with the gophers. It's far more outrageous to say he's going to be a good player and pick up minutes at the 4 than to say no at this point.
Since you have seen him play and some of us have not what are your thoughts on:
1) Do you feel there is room for Wally to improve his defense with Wojo or has his ceiling been reached?
2) Do you feel as strongly about his offense and rebounding or does he have a substantial room for improvement?
If its been a while that you have seen him play maybe it should be considered in your answers.
Anyways thanks for your input!
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Since you have seen him play and some of us have not what are your thoughts on:
1) Do you feel there is room for Wally to improve his defense with Wojo or has his ceiling been reached?
2) Do you feel as strongly about his offense and rebounding or does he have a substantial room for improvement?
If its been a while that you have seen him play maybe it should be considered in your answers.
Anyways thanks for your input!
1. Well considering Wojo hasn't really proven himself as a defensive coach it's hard to say yes or no on that part. Maybe in a zone?
But with time off and getting stronger I definitely think his D could be improved with his athleticism but that would be against 2s/3s. I'm just saying people get all over JJJs D and based off what I've seen from Wally and how I've heard he was in gopher practices. JJJ is no worse if not better Because of his steals ability.
2. He couldn't shoot a lick but obviously again that could improve. He natural athleticism and jumping ability that will help him in transition and getting rebounds though so definitely an asset there.
Basically all I'm sayig is people are too hyped about a junior who hasn't proven anything. He's literally JJJ but with better jumping and worse defensive instincts. And JJJ is the more gifted scorer/more proven.
The kid should and will play. But expectations should be minimal.
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Guy hasn't even played 1 minute for Marquette yet and we're already throwing dudes under the bus. Just chill.
Also, the overuse of the word "literally" here is figuratively nauseating.
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1. Well considering Wojo hasn't really proven himself as a defensive coach it's hard to say yes or no on that part. Maybe in a zone?
But with time off and getting stronger I definitely think his D could be improved with his athleticism but that would be against 2s/3s. I'm just saying people get all over JJJs D and based off what I've seen from Wally and how I've heard he was in gopher practices. JJJ is no worse if not better Because of his steals ability.
2. He couldn't shoot a lick but obviously again that could improve. He natural athleticism and jumping ability that will help him in transition and getting rebounds though so definitely an asset there.
Basically all I'm sayig is people are too hyped about a junior who hasn't proven anything. He's literally JJJ but with better jumping and worse defensive instincts. And JJJ is the more gifted scorer/more proven.
The kid should and will play. But expectations should be minimal.
Thanks
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Guy hasn't even played 1 minute for Marquette yet and we're already throwing dudes under the bus. Just chill.
Also, the overuse of the word "literally" here is figuratively nauseating.
And that's my point. Try and keep up. Not asking a lot.
Guy hasn't played a single minute and some are penciling him in as a starter. When he couldn't play for a far worse program.
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And that's my point. Try and keep up. Not asking a lot.
Guy hasn't played a single minute and some are penciling him in as a starter. When he couldn't play for a far worse program.
Who? Who has him penciled in as a starter? The most I have heard is "could compete for starters minutes"
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O dear lord.
I REALIZE that. Did you not read mine? I'm saying we are screwed if Wally plays the 4 because he simply CANNOT guard a 4. So, wojo will absolutely find someone who can back it up because we will be quite literally screwed rolling with Wally/Sandy as 4
Back ups if Henry ever gets in foul trouble.
At this point we do not even know, if Henry can guard a 4.
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At this point we do not even know, if Henry can guard a 4.
Uhhh, yes we do.
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15-16 thoughts
As long as that's not our final record.
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And that's my point. Try and keep up. Not asking a lot.
Guy hasn't played a single minute and some are penciling him in as a starter. When he couldn't play for a far worse program.
No one in this thread has called him a starter. The only person who has mentioned him starting is you. Try and keep up.
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No one in this thread has called him a starter. The only person who has mentioned him starting is you. Try and keep up.
I have kept up. You and your 15 posts are just jumping in when convenient.
For the last few months on here and scout people have been talking about JJJ and Sandy with how badly they need to improve but then talk about Wally as someone who is going to come right in an contribute.
It's simply wrong. I know your brain probably doesn't function at full capacity to know why it's wrong, but at least try.
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Uhhh, yes we do.
+1
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I have kept up. You and your 15 posts are just jumping in when convenient.
For the last few months on here and scout people have been talking about JJJ and Sandy with how badly they need to improve but then talk about Wally as someone who is going to come right in an contribute.
It's simply wrong. I know your brain probably doesn't function at full capacity to know why it's wrong, but at least try.
Saying Wally coming in and contributing is not the same thing as saying Wally is going to start. Wally is going to contribute. He will be in the rotation and maybe even compete for the starter's spot unless we find someone who is immediately available.
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I have kept up. You and your 15 posts are just jumping in when convenient.
For the last few months on here and scout people have been talking about JJJ and Sandy with how badly they need to improve but then talk about Wally as someone who is going to come right in an contribute.
It's simply wrong. I know your brain probably doesn't function at full capacity to know why it's wrong, but at least try.
I don't necessarily disagree, but maybe find those posts and people and unleash your rage on them?
In this thread, expectations seem to be pretty realistic.
I think he could be Juan Anderson. I don't think that's setting the bar super high, but certainly a player like that has value, especially if it can be in limited doses.
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Wally will surprise many people next year, for the good too. Ive had the opportunity to watch the team practice a few times and Wally looks REALLY good.
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I don't necessarily disagree, but maybe find those posts and people and unleash your rage on them?
In this thread, expectations seem to be pretty realistic.
I think he could be Juan Anderson. I don't think that's setting the bar super high, but certainly a player like that has value, especially if it can be in limited doses.
And yeah that is what I've been saying. Expect Wally as a Juan Anderson of junior year variety.
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And yeah that is what I've been saying. Expect Wally as a Juan Anderson of junior year variety.
If Wally turns out to be Juan Anderson 2.0, and Wojo can use him sporadically and somewhat strategically, then that is a pretty useful player for 2 seasons... especially if Wally can be versatile and play a couple different positions.
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And yeah that is what I've been saying. Expect Wally as a Juan Anderson of junior year variety.
Ya but you were saying it like a jerk so nobody wanted to take you seriously
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Ya but you were saying it like a jerk so nobody wanted to take you seriously
Giving my informed opinion on actually seeing him play is being a jerk?
Saying I would love to be wrong is being a jerk?
Saying he deserves PT is being a jerk?
Saying I'm glad he's on the team is being a jerk?
Saying I don't feel he has proven anything to be counted on is being a jerk?
How did you get this far in life? I'm truly curious now.
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Giving my informed opinion on actually seeing him play is being a jerk?
Saying I would love to be wrong is being a jerk?
Saying he deserves PT is being a jerk?
Saying I'm glad he's on the team is being a jerk?
Saying I don't feel he has proven anything to be counted on is being a jerk?
How did you get this far in life? I'm truly curious now.
If this is all you were doing, no one would be saying you are acting like a jerk.
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If this is all you were doing, no one would be saying you are acting like a jerk.
It is all I've done though. Like its a fact. Not open to interpretation.
All I've done is give my opinion on my I don't think Wally can guard a 4 or will be counted on beyond around 5-6 PPG.
No name calling. No personal attacks. MY OPINION.
That's isn't being a jerk.
It's really a simple concept to be honest.
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It is all I've done though. Like its a fact. Not open to interpretation.
All I've done is give my opinion on my I don't think Wally can guard a 4 or will be counted on beyond around 5-6 PPG.
No name calling. No personal attacks. MY OPINION.
That's isn't being a jerk.
It's really a simple concept to be honest.
No, you are wrong. And since you want to press the issue, let's review...
I have watched the kid play far more than you have. He's biggest issue was he couldn't guard me. We're going to play him at the 4? Literally zero chance.
You can argue otherwise, but no one here was born yesterday. In the above, you are being condescending. You assume that you know more and are smarter than the posters you are responding to. And the tone you take frames how you are perceived.
No it's not lol. Not even close.
You are really trying to compare what deonte did and Wally?
Condescension, again.
Dude I don't know how much more simply I can tell you this.
No matter what the rest of the post says, opening with this is being condescending and more than a bit asinine.
And that's my point. Try and keep up. Not asking a lot.
Other people state their opinion, and this is how you respond. You act superior, you act condescending, quite simply, you are acting like a jerk. None of us are new to the Internet. You can try to spin whatever you want about being misunderstood or sarcasm not being conveyed well in this environment, but the reality is you are being a jerk. Repeatedly. To pretty much everyone else in the thread.
I have kept up. You and your 15 posts are just jumping in when convenient.
For the last few months on here and scout people have been talking about JJJ and Sandy with how badly they need to improve but then talk about Wally as someone who is going to come right in an contribute.
It's simply wrong. I know your brain probably doesn't function at full capacity to know why it's wrong, but at least try.
So, you aren't name calling, you say? This is an outright attack on another poster's intellect. There's no two ways about it. You ask why someone says you are being a jerk? Uhh...pretty simple, it's because you are being a jerk.
So...back to your most recent post...
It is all I've done though. Like its a fact. Not open to interpretation.
The only thing not open to interpretation is what an utter asshat you have been in this thread. You condescend to anyone who dares try to open discourse and have an opinion that differs from your own.
All I've done is give my opinion on my I don't think Wally can guard a 4 or will be counted on beyond around 5-6 PPG.
Clearly not true. You've berated everyone with your "opinion" as though it were fact. You aren't making opinion statements, you are making fact statements, going after anyone who disagrees, and later backtracking by saying it was just your opinion. Further, you have made blanket statements and used that horribly often-misused term "literally" as though it is a fact when anyone with an iota of intellect can tell that your interpretation of "literally" is literally incorrect.
No name calling. No personal attacks. MY OPINION.
Blatant lies. You attacked mreezybreezy because of his post count and derided his intellect because he disagreed with you. And throughout the thread, your constant condescension did the work of name-calling and personal attacks for you.
That's isn't being a jerk.
Yeah, it is.
It's really a simple concept to be honest.
And this only emphasizes it. This right here is you, once again, being a jerk. Being condescending. Acting superior. Doing everything in that one phrase that you claim you haven't done at all in this thread.
I'll happily admit that I'm being condescending right back here. I'll even admit that by shoving all of your horsecrap and lies back in your face, I'm being a bit of a jerk. But I'm happy to own it. And the only reason I do so is because you spent the entire thread being a prick and then got all uppity when someone called you on it.
If you don't want to be called a jerk, don't be a jerk. It's really a simple concept, to be honest.
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Good lord you have taken ridiculous to a whole new level. First find a damn hobby holy sh it.
Second. Ask if a brain fucntions at full capacity isn't name calling. You CALLING me a Jerk, is however. Hypocrite. There a name for you. That poster came after me first.
I didn't berate anyones opinion. I gave my first hand opinion having actually WATCHED Wally. You know, I can objectively state it.
TAMU even tried to imply that I was just reading stats. And I stated that wasn't the case.
You tired to compare Wally to Deonte and clearly it hurt your feelings. Seriously, do you have a social life of any sort if this sets you off?
You are an ignorant and hypocritical JERK. There, I joined your world.
Good lord. If anyone disagrees with the almighty Brewcity.
No wonder Ners stirred the pot so much. So people like yourself just can't handle a differing opinion.
Also, if you are going to name call make sure you know the English definition of the word jerk. Condescending doesn't fit the bill.
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You called the Gophers a great team to back up Wally not playing
I am a jerk for telling you how incorrect that is as I watch EVERY game.
Talk about condescending.
Therapy may not save you.
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FWIW, I thought you were a little blunt in your comments and opinions about Wally. That doesn't make you a jerk however.
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FWIW, I thought you were a little blunt in your comments and opinions about Wally. That doesn't make you a jerk however.
I agree the way I worded things about Wally were a little blunt and that's why I tried to at least make it clear that I don't hate Wally like certain people have hated more recent players. Didn't mean for it to even blow up like this but people kept reply to my initial opinion.
I've seen him play albeit brief due to PT and I just don't see Wojo allowing it to get to a point where he guards a 4 because i don't see him capable. Just like I don't see Sandy or JJJ capable.
Should just leave it at this though. Assuming the name calling is left as is.
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Good lord you have taken ridiculous to a whole new level. First find a damn hobby holy sh it.
Second. Ask if a brain fucntions at full capacity isn't name calling. You CALLING me a Jerk, is however. Hypocrite. There a name for you. That poster came after me first.
I didn't berate anyones opinion. I gave my first hand opinion having actually WATCHED Wally. You know, I can objectively state it.
TAMU even tried to imply that I was just reading stats. And I stated that wasn't the case.
You tired to compare Wally to Deonte and clearly it hurt your feelings. Seriously, do you have a social life of any sort if this sets you off?
You are an ignorant and hypocritical JERK. There, I joined your world.
Good lord. If anyone disagrees with the almighty Brewcity.
No wonder Ners stirred the pot so much. So people like yourself just can't handle a differing opinion.
Also, if you are going to name call make sure you know the English definition of the word jerk. Condescending doesn't fit the bill.
No, I didn't really care one way or the other. I didn't get bent out of shape. When you were condescending to me, I let it roll off my back because taking time to get bothered by the opinions of people on the internet usually isn't really worth it.
Boxer said you were acting like a jerk. You got bent out of shape. I tried to be gentle, you got bent out of shape, I explained. About as simple as that. I'm not upset. I'm not set off. Sorry if you are, but it was your own tone and response to Boxer that brought that about.
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Back to thoughts on 15-16, I think we'll be better simply by being taller. Last year, we were the #193 team for height. This year, we should be somewhere in the range of 50-75.
There's a correlation between height and overall Pomeroy improvement, overall defensive ranking, offensive eFG%, and offensive OR%. All of these should be obvious, because height is really important in basketball.
I could see MU with a jump of roughly 30-40 spots for eFG% and 30-35 spots for OR% just by being taller.
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No, I didn't really care one way or the other. I didn't get bent out of shape. When you were condescending to me, I let it roll off my back because taking time to get bothered by the opinions of people on the internet usually isn't really worth it.
Boxer said you were acting like a jerk. You got bent out of shape. I tried to be gentle, you got bent out of shape, I explained. About as simple as that. I'm not upset. I'm not set off. Sorry if you are, but it was your own tone and response to Boxer that brought that about.
You got some super ability to identify tone over the Internet?
How does me list all the things I said and saying they don't qualify as bein a "jerk" mean I am bent out of shape or had a tone?
You dissected every post and twisted them how you saw fit. Clearly you were a little bent, maybe not broken but there was a bend.
Anyways. That's it. Over it.
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Giving my informed opinion on actually seeing him play is being a jerk?
Saying I would love to be wrong is being a jerk?
Saying he deserves PT is being a jerk?
Saying I'm glad he's on the team is being a jerk?
Saying I don't feel he has proven anything to be counted on is being a jerk?
How did you get this far in life? I'm truly curious now.
No an added comment like "how did you get this far in life? I'm truly curious now" that's being a jerk
Saying "It's simply wrong. I know your brain probably doesn't function at full capacity to know why it's wrong, but at least try." that's being a jerk
I disagree with Brewcity about the condescending stuff it was blunt but not jerkish. I saw your brain comment and called it like I saw it.
Your defense to your comment about the brain capacity was that you were asking and that isn't insulting but A) you didn't ask anything, you said word for word "I know your brain probably doesn't function at full capacity..." so that's just lying. B) That's an insult man even asking because of the implication that you are so baffled that a person could have a differing opinion than yours so they must function at a lower level. If you can't see that then you aren't a jerk you're just a loud mouth.
If you'd like to meet for coffee, beer, boxing ring to say those things to my face in person I'd be happy to but until then I call them like I see them and I saw it as you trying to be an online tough guy which came off as being a jerk. Nothing wrong with it we all do it I'm a jerk to Chicos and Willie, lots of people were jerks to Ners and Texas Western, the list goes on I was just pointing it out that you were doing it :)
Anyhow I expect wally to be an energy guy who plays his butt off for minutes. Not a standout, but someone who can help keep momentum when our stars need a rest. Doubt he can guard the 4 but hope he can step in and do it for a couple minutes because he'll probably get called to do it at some point.
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Second. Ask if a brain fucntions at full capacity isn't name calling.
I don't have a dog in this fight, but I love this defense. "I'm not calling you a motherf*cker. I'm just asking if you f*ck your own mother every night?"
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Back to thoughts on 15-16, I think we'll be better simply by being taller. Last year, we were the #193 team for height. This year, we should be somewhere in the range of 50-75.
There's a correlation between height and overall Pomeroy improvement, overall defensive ranking, offensive eFG%, and offensive OR%. All of these should be obvious, because height is really important in basketball.
I could see MU with a jump of roughly 30-40 spots for eFG% and 30-35 spots for OR% just by being taller.
Is there anyway that can be correlated into an estimate of expected wins?
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I don't have a dog in this fight, but I love this defense. "I'm not calling you a motherf*cker. I'm just asking if you f*ck your own mother every night?"
I think we need Heisenberg to start a poll about whether HaywardsHeroes32 was being a jerk or not. I would do it but my title would probably be too boring :).
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Is there anyway that can be correlated into an estimate of expected wins?
Short answer - the extra height is worth 1-3 more wins.
Long answer - this is really fuzzy math. Height is only loosely correlated with an improvement (R^2 of .25), even if it is statistically significant. The improvement in the team can be anywhere from a 30-40 pt jump in eFG/OR% to a 60 ranking jump in adj D to a 70 ranking jump in overall Pomeroy ranking. I don't much buy the overall jumps in Defense or overall Pomeroy ranking. Just the eFG%/OR% is worth around 1 win. The Defensive improvement is worth about 3 wins.
Complicating matters is that MU underperformed their Pomeroy numbers last year. Given their offensive and defensive rankings (101.5 / 97.6), MU should have finished with a record of roughly 18-19 wins and 13-14 losses. Of course, MU also lost a bunch of games because six BE teams were top 50 Pomeroy teams. Regardless, even if I put a similar improvement into the rankings for last year, it still ends up with 1-3 more wins. Last, the talent (and depth) will also clearly impact.
Having said all that, I think 1-3 more wins based on simply being taller passes the reasonable test.
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Short answer - the extra height is worth 1-3 more wins.
Long answer - this is really fuzzy math. Height is only loosely correlated with an improvement (R^2 of .25), even if it is statistically significant. The improvement in the team can be anywhere from a 30-40 pt jump in eFG/OR% to a 60 ranking jump in adj D to a 70 ranking jump in overall Pomeroy ranking. I don't much buy the overall jumps in Defense or overall Pomeroy ranking. Just the eFG%/OR% is worth around 1 win. The Defensive improvement is worth about 3 wins.
Complicating matters is that MU underperformed their Pomeroy numbers last year. Given their offensive and defensive rankings (101.5 / 97.6), MU should have finished with a record of roughly 18-19 wins and 13-14 losses. Of course, MU also lost a bunch of games because six BE teams were top 50 Pomeroy teams. Regardless, even if I put a similar improvement into the rankings for last year, it still ends up with 1-3 more wins. Last, the talent (and depth) will also clearly impact.
Having said all that, I think 1-3 more wins based on simply being taller passes the reasonable test.
Thanks. One more question, does this look at the overall height on the roster, or are the playing time minutes factored in? For instance, I don't think Heldt will be playing more than back up minutes.
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Thanks. One more question, does this look at the overall height on the roster, or are the playing time minutes factored in? For instance, I don't think Heldt will be playing more than back up minutes.
Playing time minutes are factored in. Height is calculated as the sumproduct of min/player * height of that player, then divided by five (for players on the court), then divided by 40 (for minutes per game). MPG is a huge part of the team height calculation.
I used the responses from this thread for the minutes predictions.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=46908.msg709474#msg709474
Of course, this also assumes Steve Taylor getting ~20 mpg. Using Taylor, we predict to #58 for height, which is why I used a range from 50-75 in the previous post. The three biggest contributors on minutes were Luke Fischer (height of 83), Henry Ellenson (height of 82), and Duane Wilson (height of 74). Last year we were at a team height of 76.56, and the current view is a team height of 77.54.
Specifically, the MUScoop prediction for Heldt was 8 mpg, out of 200 available. He's not a huge contributor to the overall height prediction.
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I think we need Heisenberg to start a poll about whether HaywardsHeroes32 was being a jerk or not. I would do it but my title would probably be too boring :).
"Are MU fans jerks?"
"Do all MU fans hate each other?"
"Why are MU fans jerks?"
"Why doesn't anybody know that Pac12 fans are jerks?"
"Do MU fans have brains that function?"
"Does Wojo know about MU fans brains?
"Did Bert leave MU because of the fans brainpower?"
"Is Wally the reason for strife at MU?"
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Also, FWIW, both Lee (height of 78) and Miller (height of 79) would positively improve the height ranking.
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You got some super ability to identify tone over the Internet?
How does me list all the things I said and saying they don't qualify as bein a "jerk" mean I am bent out of shape or had a tone?
You dissected every post and twisted them how you saw fit. Clearly you were a little bent, maybe not broken but there was a bend.
Anyways. That's it. Over it.
Everybody cut the crap.
Haywards, everybody in this specific thread was pretty realistic about Wally's abilities.
I suspect you were carrying some baggage from previous glowing reviews you had read about Wally, and you were a little blunt with people in this specific thread.
Doesn't mean you're wrong (we agree), or you're a bad guy (I have never seen you kick a puppy), but you came in running a little hot for this specific conversation and people noticed.
Not a big deal, bros.
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Wally is the typical super athlete that was good in high school, because of his superior athleticism. The same athleticism allowed him to get by without developing his skill level. Wojo came in saying how he was going to improve player skills. He has had a year to work with Wally, so the two might be a perfect match. This will be the year I decide whether he can actually coach. MU will be a pretty good team if Wilson, JJJ, Fischer and Cohen's games take significant leaps. However, so far I have not been impressed with Wojo's ability to improve players.
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Wally is the typical super athlete that was good in high school, because of his superior athleticism. The same athleticism allowed him to get by without developing his skill level.
Nonsense.
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Short answer - the extra height is worth 1-3 more wins.
Long answer - this is really fuzzy math. Height is only loosely correlated with an improvement (R^2 of .25), even if it is statistically significant. The improvement in the team can be anywhere from a 30-40 pt jump in eFG/OR% to a 60 ranking jump in adj D to a 70 ranking jump in overall Pomeroy ranking. I don't much buy the overall jumps in Defense or overall Pomeroy ranking. Just the eFG%/OR% is worth around 1 win. The Defensive improvement is worth about 3 wins.
Complicating matters is that MU underperformed their Pomeroy numbers last year. Given their offensive and defensive rankings (101.5 / 97.6), MU should have finished with a record of roughly 18-19 wins and 13-14 losses. Of course, MU also lost a bunch of games because six BE teams were top 50 Pomeroy teams. Regardless, even if I put a similar improvement into the rankings for last year, it still ends up with 1-3 more wins. Last, the talent (and depth) will also clearly impact.
Having said all that, I think 1-3 more wins based on simply being taller passes the reasonable test.
I tend to believe that the positive impact from height (on average, across the spectrum of all teams) comes mostly from the tallest players on the team, as opposed to the weighted average height (on a minutes played basis) of 5 positions.. and that it's seen more on the defensive side of the ball (block%, the related 2FG% defense.
Offense things get tricky -- breakdown of 3FGA/FGA becomes important.
Overall, I don't see there being enough correlation to get too wild over it when modeling.
But, as to MU in 2015-16 vs. 2014-15... I think the additional height will help a lot, especially in the "4" / "PF" / "60% to 80% of tallest minutes" spot. We were -.6 off the average last season - very small for a conference such as ours. We were second only to St. John's.. as another example, the Big Ten had only one school lower than -.3.. Michigan State, but they had a 6'6" senior forward who can rebound like no other in BJ Dawson. As for St. John's, the negative impact from a lack of size after the tallest 20% of minutes was partly offset by having Obekpa - an absolutely elite shot block and very good rebounder. Our 6'11" center had an injured wing who put up poor rebounding numbers.
All depends on specifics... and the details of MU's height this coming year and the details of the 2014-15 season... together would seem to reasonable project positive things for the team on a year-over-year basis
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I feel like this team is a mystery right now, and the potential of graduate transfers is where things really hinge. Looking at the roster as currently constructed...
C: Fischer, Heldt
PF: Henry, Wally?
SF: Jajuan, Sandy, Cheatham
SG: Duane, Anim
PG: Traci
To me, that's not a NCAA roster unless Henry can put us on his back and carry us all the way there. Now if you add another stud scorer, maybe. If you put Miller, Lee, and an experienced point willing to split time, you could be talking about a team that could compete for the league crown. Just a lot up in the air.
Our current roster doesn't have enough shooters, and we're one or two injuries or transfers away from being in a similar boat to this past year. I like Fischer and Duane, and I like the promise of Henry and Traci, but I feel like everyone else is a question mark.
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How about this as an NCAA starting lineup?
PG - Duane
2/3's - JjJ, Haanif, Wally compete
4 - Henry
5 - Fischer
One of the 2/3's off the bench along with Sandy & Sacar.. Traci backing up the point.. Heldt the 4 & 5... would like Steve still here.. ugh. But still, crown us.
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C: Fischer, Heldt
PF: Henry, Wally?
SF: Jajuan, Sandy, Cheatham
SG: Duane, Anim
PG: Traci
That lineup looks really weak rebounding the ball to me. Fischer is a below average rebounder for a center. The '3' position does not have much in terms of rebounding. Falls a lot on the '4' position to rebound then.
We need to add a rebounder, whether it be the '3' or '4' position (assuming we are not adding another '5' to the roster). If we add a rebounder who can defend I will feel much better about next season.
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How about this as an NCAA starting lineup?
PG - Duane
2/3's - JjJ, Haanif, Wally compete
4 - Henry
5 - Fischer
One of the 2/3's off the bench along with Sandy & Sacar.. Traci backing up the point.. Heldt the 4 & 5... would like Steve still here.. ugh. But still, crown us.
If things break right, maybe. If Duane takes a step forward and became a legit scoring point, if one of those 2/3 guys could be an additional scorer and we got solid defense from the position, if Henry was the real deal from day one, if Fischer improved his strength and rebounding, and if the bench provided reliable minutes, maybe that's a NCAA roster. But certainly no lock. That looks like a 10-13 seed for me, and 13 seeds don't get at-large bids.
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How about this as an NCAA starting lineup?
PG - Duane
2/3's - JjJ, Haanif, Wally compete
4 - Henry
5 - Fischer
One of the 2/3's off the bench along with Sandy & Sacar.. Traci backing up the point.. Heldt the 4 & 5... would like Steve still here.. ugh. But still, crown us.
Good upside, but a lot of unknowns and I hate to go all Brent Williams, but I'm not sure how tough that team would be. They just haven't won a lot of tough/contested college games yet. They need some seasoning.