What are the chances that Bo will retire if he wins tonight? Al did it after winning the big one. Also with them losing Gasser, Frank, Dukan, TJ, and possibly Sam and maybe even Hayes they will not have much coming back.
I think people that are high-level coaches are similar to people that want to be president. There's just something wrong with them.
If he was an ordinary 67-year-old that had just reached the apex of his career, I'd say 99% he retires. But, since he's a coach, I'd say no way. He'll stay until he's 70.
Al announced his retirement long before the championship game. Bo will never have another team this good. He likely won't recruit another McDonald's All American level player like Dekker, won't find a three star NPOY like Frank, and won't have many more NBA players like Hayes. Certainly not at the same time.
But who knows? Maybe he likes coaching and wants to prove he can rebuild after those guys leave. I'd say 50/50 win or lose.
No idea. But if I have to suffer through a Badger championship, I hope he does. Then we can watch Dekker and Hayes both declare for the draft, half his incoming recruiting class decommit, see one or two players transfer, and see Wisconsin stumble out of the tournament for the first time in years. It would bring me some solace.
Probably wishful thinking. I'm not sure the reaction of an epic blowhard to being in the national spotlight is going to be, "Yep, I'm done with this."
Not happenin'. He's livin' da dream.
yep, he's gone. No way he can come close to this ever again, and certainly not in the next 2-3 years.
Greg Gard.... anyone, anyone?
Quote from: WarriorFan on April 06, 2015, 08:26:01 AM
yep, he's gone. No way he can come close to this ever again, and certainly not in the next 2-3 years.
I know that sports fans like the romanticism of the "going out on top" idea, but we don't know what's going on in Bo's head. If the guy likes coaching, and wants to continue doing it, he should keep doing it regardless if he is ever going to have a team better than this one.
Can you see if getting a TV gig job broadcasting college basketball? If so, I can see him taking that job and leaving. The point is he is not going to retire to Florida (Del Boca Vista!) and do nothing. But he might walk to do something less stressful but also "fun" for him.
Maybe FS1 hires him and he does MU games!!
Quote from: Heisenberg on April 06, 2015, 08:40:48 AM
Can you see if getting a TV gig job broadcasting college basketball? If so, I can see him taking that job and leaving. The point is he is not going to retire to Florida (Del Boca Vista!) and do nothing. But he might walk to do something less stressful but also "fun" for him.
Maybe FS1 hires him and he does MU games!!
Funny you say he's not going to retire to Florida. What I heard is he already has his place ready to go in Naples.
Still won't believe it until I see it, though.
Unfortunately he probably stays. He has a great job and looks like having fun. IMO he stays 3-5 years longer.
I think Bo still has 5 good years left in him. If he were 73, this would probably be it. But win or lose, we will have to suffer at least a few more years of him I suspect.
Wishful thinking
Quote from: muballbuster on April 06, 2015, 07:56:18 AM
What are the chances that Bo will retire if he wins tonight? Al did it after winning the big one. Also with them losing Gasser, Frank, Dukan, TJ, and possibly Sam and maybe even Hayes they will not have much coming back.
Really think Dekker is back after his tourney run?
He'll probably stay. Should go, as he really is starting to show his age in comparison to most of the coaches over age 65. As others say, this year is the ultimate combination of players. Whether or not Dekker goes, and he really should from a pro career standpoint, the Badgers are going to be nowhere near this year and last year without Kaminsky and Gasser and Jackson (and, even Dukan who gives length and 3 point shooting off the bench ).
Quote from: wadesworld on April 06, 2015, 09:00:09 AM
Funny you say he's not going to retire to Florida. What I heard is he already has his place ready to go in Naples.
Still won't believe it until I see it, though.
When does he get to go to Florida? Certainly not between October and March. And if you don't go then, why bother going to Florida at all?
Quote from: wrmrkt on April 06, 2015, 09:23:50 AM
Really think Dekker is back after his tourney run?
Dekker is definitely gone. No question about that. I'd put Hayes probably at about 50/50.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 06, 2015, 10:11:30 AM
Dekker is definitely gone. No question about that. I'd put Hayes probably at about 50/50.
Hayes is coming back
Ryan is not retiring. He enjoys teaching the game.
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on April 06, 2015, 09:11:20 AM
Wishful thinking
This and wild, unfounded speculation, that's what this thread is all about.
Quote from: whodem on April 06, 2015, 10:13:32 AM
Hayes is coming back
It's already been reported that Hayes is looking into his draft stock. He may come back, but that is a pretty good sign he doesn't really want to.
http://dairylandexpress.com/2015/03/05/report-wisconsin-badgers-nigel-hayes-exploring-draft-prospects/
My guess is if he gets a solid first-round grade, he's probably gone.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 06, 2015, 10:49:01 AM
It's already been reported that Hayes is looking into his draft stock. He may come back, but that is a pretty good sign he doesn't really want to.
http://dairylandexpress.com/2015/03/05/report-wisconsin-badgers-nigel-hayes-exploring-draft-prospects/
My guess is if he gets a solid first-round grade, he's probably gone.
he should if he does
If we're going to speculate on 67-year-old Bo, why not speculate on 68-year-old Coach K? Yes, we've heard the comments about him coaching another five years, but those comments never came after a national title. While Duke just reloads, he has three projected first round picks on the roster right now. Given Coach Brey's great year, I tend to think a Coach K retirement this year would be positive for MU fans.
Quote from: 21rooster on April 06, 2015, 11:35:39 AM
If we're going to speculate on 67-year-old Bo, why not speculate on 68-year-old Coach K? Yes, we've heard the comments about him coaching another five years, but those comments never came after a national title. While Duke just reloads, he has three projected first round picks on the roster right now. Given Coach Brey's great year, I tend to think a Coach K retirement this year would be positive for MU fans.
The difference is that K has coached teams as good as this year's Duke team on several occasions and will probably coach another team good enough to win another national championship at some point again if he stays on for the next five years.
Bo has neither coached a team this good before this year nor will he coach a team this good ever again.
Quote from: 21rooster on April 06, 2015, 11:35:39 AM
If we're going to speculate on 67-year-old Bo, why not speculate on 68-year-old Coach K? Yes, we've heard the comments about him coaching another five years, but those comments never came after a national title. While Duke just reloads, he has three projected first round picks on the roster right now. Given Coach Brey's great year, I tend to think a Coach K retirement this year would be positive for MU fans.
Because K reloads every year and competes for the national championship every year.
After tonight, with all the seniors playing their last game, the bottom drops out for Wisconsin and they are a mid-pack B1G team next year. Worse if Dekker leaves, NIT if Hayes leaves.
Quote from: 21rooster on April 06, 2015, 11:35:39 AM
If we're going to speculate on 67-year-old Bo, why not speculate on 68-year-old Coach K? Yes, we've heard the comments about him coaching another five years, but those comments never came after a national title. While Duke just reloads, he has three projected first round picks on the roster right now. Given Coach Brey's great year, I tend to think a Coach K retirement this year would be positive for MU fans.
I honestly think that when Coach K does retire, Duke stays away from the K coaching tree. Unless of course they take Wojo after his back to back national titles with MU.
Quote from: Heisenberg on April 06, 2015, 11:53:58 AM
Because K reloads every year and competes for the national championship every year.
After tonight, with all the seniors playing their last game, the bottom drops out for Wisconsin and they are a mid-pack B1G team next year. Worse if Dekker leaves, NIT if Hayes leaves.
Did you ever think that he may just want to coach a little longer because he likes doing it? I don't think most coaches only find occupational satisfaction from a championship.
And my guess is that if Bo is back next year, they will be top four in the B10 even if Dekker leaves.
Quote from: ChitownJuan on April 06, 2015, 11:56:26 AM
I honestly think that when Coach K does retire, Duke stays away from the K coaching tree. Unless of course they take Wojo after his back to back national titles with MU.
And risk isolating Coach K, and all his friends that have written checks to support the program?
Not a chance. I can't think of one legendary coach who retired without being replaced with a disciple from the coaching tree.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on April 06, 2015, 11:57:24 AM
Did you ever think that he may just want to coach a little longer because he likes doing it? I don't think most coaches only find occupational satisfaction from a championship.
And my guess is that if Bo is back next year, they will be top four in the B10 even if Dekker leaves.
We'll have this conservation in the fall but right now I'm looking at Marland in 2000 and Illinois in 2003, and Michigan in the last few years, as the model. Great teams, bottom dropped out, NIT.
Wisconsin could be the next in this line. But let's see who stays/goes grad transfers, juco first.
Noodling this some more -- I can see why I would leave after accomplishing the best thing I can in my chosen field ... but I can also see the high of having done that making me want to do it again.
My vote is solidly "No". He doesn't retire after this year. Unless it's "yes".
A lot of people are under the assumption that this Wisconsin team is Bo catching lightning in a bottle rather than the culmination of what he's done to build the program. I think it's wishful thinking to assume that it's the former when in reality given the recent success it's more than likely the latter.
Quote from: Heisenberg on April 06, 2015, 12:03:42 PM
We'll have this conservation in the fall but right now I'm looking at Marland in 2000 and Illinois in 2003, and Michigan in the last few years, as the model. Great teams, bottom dropped out, NIT.
Wisconsin could be the next in this line. But let's see who stays/goes grad transfers, juco first.
The model is the 2012-13 Wisconsin Badger team, that after losing to Ole Miss in the first round of the NCAAs, graduated 3/5 of its starting line up in Berggeren, Brusewitz and Evans.
They were relying on this 10 mpg player named Frank Kaminsky and a couple returning players to step up. And they went to a Final Four.
Now that's not going to happen, but Bo has never finished lower than fourth and has never not made the NCAA. I am positive that streak will continue if he only loses Dekker as an underclassman.
Quote from: mattyv1908 on April 06, 2015, 12:13:59 PM
A lot of people are under the assumption that this Wisconsin team is Bo catching lightning in a bottle rather than the culmination of what he's done to build the program. I think it's wishful thinking to assume that it's the former when in reality given the recent success it's more than likely the latter.
Combination of both.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on April 06, 2015, 11:58:16 AM
I can't think of one legendary coach who retired without being replaced with a disciple from the coaching tree.
Even the legend Stew Morrill was replaced by one of his assistants.
http://www.sltrib.com/sports/2344889-155/utah-state-assistant-duryea-will-replace
Do people actually want Bo to retire? What happens after that? One of the best programs in the Big 10 over the last decade coming off a national championship is going have their pick of the litter. Most other coaches can and would pull AAs to Wisconsin and would set back the inroads Wojo has made on in-state talent coming to Marquette. Let's not assume that Bo retiring would benefit Marquette.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on April 06, 2015, 11:58:16 AM
And risk isolating Coach K, and all his friends that have written checks to support the program?
Not a chance. I can't think of one legendary coach who retired without being replaced with a disciple from the coaching tree.
John Wooden was replaced by Gene Bartow...who did considerably better than many "disciples" end up doing.
Quote from: Babybluejeans on April 06, 2015, 12:29:52 PM
Do people actually want Bo to retire? What happens after that? One of the best programs in the Big 10 over the last decade coming off a national championship is going have their pick of the litter. Most other coaches can and would pull AAs to Wisconsin and would set back the inroads Wojo has made on in-state talent coming to Marquette. Let's not assume that Bo retiring would benefit Marquette.
They will hire Greg Gard. They aren't going outside the program.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on April 06, 2015, 12:31:50 PM
They will hire Greg Gard. They aren't going outside the program.
Yep. Most of the pre-game and post-game quotes in Potrykus's articles this season have been from Gard. Tell-tale sign of what will happen when Bo actually retires.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on April 06, 2015, 12:31:42 PM
John Wooden was replaced by Gene Bartow...who did considerably better than many "disciples" end up doing.
That's right. Thank you.
But that might serve as a cautionary tale. Bartow was a real hot name at the time. And after two years he was basically run out of the program and replaced by Gary Cunningham, Wooden's top assistant.
Quote from: Heisenberg on April 06, 2015, 11:53:58 AM
Because K reloads every year and competes for the national championship every year.
After tonight, with all the seniors playing their last game, the bottom drops out for Wisconsin and they are a mid-pack B1G team next year. Worse if Dekker leaves, NIT if Hayes leaves.
When is the last time the Badgers were a mid-pack B1G team? They're not going to be this good next year, but Bo in the NCAA tournament is about as certain as it gets.
Quote from: Babybluejeans on April 06, 2015, 12:29:52 PM
Do people actually want Bo to retire? What happens after that? One of the best programs in the Big 10 over the last decade coming off a national championship is going have their pick of the litter. Most other coaches can and would pull AAs to Wisconsin and would set back the inroads Wojo has made on in-state talent coming to Marquette. Let's not assume that Bo retiring would benefit Marquette.
Not sure about this. While UW is in great shape under Bo, it's despite the poor recruiting. If Bo did leave after this season, who would you have coming in to replace him?
Not only would recruiting be an uphill battle, but you'd have to completely change the style of play. Think Rich Rod at Michigan. If you're holding out for a B1G job, Indiana certainly has a better national brand and recruiting base.
Quote from: Lazars Headband on April 06, 2015, 12:15:51 PM
Combination of both.
I agree somewhat, but it's ironic considering the amount of cliches regarding 'respecting the process' with what MU and Wojo are doing when we've seen Bo's process play out successfully and it's dismissed as all the stars aligning.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on April 06, 2015, 12:35:12 PM
That's right. Thank you.
But that might serve as a cautionary tale. Bartow was a real hot name at the time. And after two years he was basically run out of the program and replaced by Gary Cunningham, Wooden's top assistant.
Bartow was 52-9 in two seasons at UCLA, with a Sweet Sixteen and a Final Four.
Cunningham was 50-8 in two seasons at UCLA, with a Sweet Sixteen and an Elite Eight.
I think the "cautionary" part was in getting rid of Bartow so quickly to bring in a disciple.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on April 06, 2015, 12:45:26 PM
Bartow was 52-9 in two seasons at UCLA, with a Sweet Sixteen and a Final Four.
Cunningham was 50-8 in two seasons at UCLA, with a Sweet Sixteen and an Elite Eight.
I think the "cautionary" part was in getting rid of Bartow so quickly to bring in a disciple.
I don't disagree with you. I think UCLA would have been much better off keeping Bartow.
My point is that its very, very difficult for a guy to come in from the outside even if they keep winning. The boosters don't like them...the AD hears about it...the President hears about it...
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on April 06, 2015, 12:48:46 PM
I don't disagree with you. I think UCLA would have been much better off keeping Bartow.
My point is that its very, very difficult for a guy to come in from the outside even if they keep winning. The boosters don't like them...the AD hears about it...the President hears about it...
True.
Quote from: mattyv1908 on April 06, 2015, 12:40:02 PM
I agree somewhat, but it's ironic considering the amount of cliches regarding 'respecting the process' with what MU and Wojo are doing when we've seen Bo's process play out successfully and it's dismissed as all the stars aligning.
This is not Bo's "norm." Bo's norm is competing for a B1G title and top 4 seed and then losing typically in the 2nd round or S16. The last 2 years they are better than their norm, which is typically pretty dang good as it is. But he will never coach another team this good.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on April 06, 2015, 12:31:50 PM
They will hire Greg Gard. They aren't going outside the program.
I agree this is most likely. Will it work?
Quote from: ChitownJuan on April 06, 2015, 11:56:26 AM
I honestly think that when Coach K does retire, Duke stays away from the K coaching tree. Unless of course they take Wojo after his back to back national titles with MU.
Coach K will starting now will coach longer than Wojo.
Quote from: mu-rara on April 06, 2015, 01:25:29 PM
I agree this is most likely. Will it work?
That's a good question. I have my doubts. But if he sticks to his fundamentals based approach, he might do well.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on April 06, 2015, 01:32:42 PM
That's a good question. I have my doubts. But if he sticks to his fundamentals based approach and recruits traditionals, he might do well.
FIFY.
In seriousness though, how many minority head coaches are there at UW-Madison? At some point UW has to show some street cred in the circles of progressive academia, so the regents are going to have to hire a minority head coach eventually (whether their donor base will support it or not). What better time to do it than on the heels of a national championship?
Even though he probably has no business coaching in Madison (not yet, anyway), I wouldn't put it past UW to move Jeter 60 miles west.
Quote from: bilsu on April 06, 2015, 01:30:02 PM
Coach K will starting now will coach longer than Wojo.
Huh?
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on April 06, 2015, 11:58:16 AM
And risk isolating Coach K, and all his friends that have written checks to support the program?
Not a chance. I can't think of one legendary coach who retired without being replaced with a disciple from the coaching tree.
Lute Olson --> Sean Miller
Zero reason to believe Bo will retire. Zero.
Quote from: Utile et Dulce on April 06, 2015, 08:03:07 AM
I think people that are high-level coaches are similar to people that want to be president. There's just something wrong with them.
If he was an ordinary 67-year-old that had just reached the apex of his career, I'd say 99% he retires. But, since he's a coach, I'd say no way. He'll stay until he's 70.
I agree with your assessment of Bo. What it really is is a manifestation of a certain type of job. Scientists, politicians, high-level coaches spend their lives at their job. Their job is completely about them, they are their own boss, they make their own decisions etc. Their job becomes their identity. Because of that, they often don't know how to let go of it. They end up not knowing what to do with their life.
That is why coaches and scientists (really talking about the academic researcher) often practically die on the job. They fell lost without what has defined them their entire life.
Bo stays, probably 5 more years.
Quote from: Michael Kenyon on April 06, 2015, 02:03:53 PM
Lute Olson --> Sean Miller
After two years of interims and chaos.
Quote from: Benny B on April 06, 2015, 01:54:38 PM
FIFY.
In seriousness though, how many minority head coaches are there at UW-Madison? At some point UW has to show some street cred in the circles of progressive academia, so the regents are going to have to hire a minority head coach eventually (whether their donor base will support it or not). What better time to do it than on the heels of a national championship?
Even though he probably has no business coaching in Madison (not yet, anyway), I wouldn't put it past UW to move Jeter 60 miles west.
Absolutely zero chance of that happening.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on April 06, 2015, 01:32:42 PM
That's a good question. I have my doubts. But if he sticks to his fundamentals based approach, he might do well.
What do you know about the coach who brought in Nigel Hayes?
Quote from: mu-rara on April 06, 2015, 04:12:35 PM
What do you know about the coach who brought in Nigel Hayes?
Lamont Paris? Career assistant. Joined the staff when Jeter left I think. Gard played for Bo at Platteville and has been his assistant at every stop.