Kentucky's Andrew Harrison on Frank Kaminsky after Kentucky's loss to Wisconsin: 'F*** that n****'
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 04, 2015, 11:49:18 PM
Kentucky's Andrew Harrison on Frank Kaminsky after Kentucky's loss to Wisconsin: 'F*** that n****'
He might need to get his eyes checked, I don't think Frank fits that description.
I keep forgetting, he's allowed to say that, however. The rulebook, I really need to get an updated rulebook.
The couches are burning....
http://nypost.com/2014/04/08/kentucky-fans-bemoan-loss-by-lighting-17-couches-on-fire/
If a white Badgers player had said that after losing vs Kentucky last year, he's probably kicked out of school.
Nothing will happen to Harrison.
Quote from: Warriorfish on April 05, 2015, 01:16:17 AM
If a white Badgers player had said that after losing vs Kentucky last year, he's probably kicked out of school.
Nothing will happen to Harrison.
Kicked out of school.....hell, there would be 24/7 coverage on MSNBC for the next 3 weeks.
I predict that this thread is headed in a positive direction.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 05, 2015, 01:17:33 AM
Kicked out of school.....hell, there would be 24/7 coverage on MSNBC for the next 3 weeks.
where's the Caucasian al sharpton/jesse jackson when ya need one? why is it when people celebrate or get pissed, they burn things? usually their own things(indirectly) too. take some ownership man and be cool! more antidepressants for my friends ;D
Quote from: Warriorfish on April 05, 2015, 01:16:17 AM
If a white Badgers player had said that after losing vs Kentucky last year, he's probably kicked out of school.
Nothing will happen to Harrison.
And that's the essence of what's wrong with race relations in this country. Thanks BO
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/kentucky-andrew-harrison-mutters-f-n-article-1.2174101
This is absolutely, motherfookin' outrageous and inexcusable. Let's see if Kentucky/Calipari/Harrison has the stones to owe up to this indiscretion?
And the Twitter apology follows
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2015/04/05/kentuckys-andrew-harrison-apologizes-for-expletive-racial-slur-toward-frank-kaminsky/
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 05, 2015, 07:53:49 AM
And that's the essence of what's wrong with race relations in this country. Thanks BO
Kind of hard to take you seriously with a Willie Wampum avatar. Embracing Warriors is one thing, but criticizing race relations with a blatantly racist image every time you post smacks just a touch of hypocrisy.
Wow. Just learned about this. 100% unacceptable. I hope the NCAA comes down hard on Mr. Harrison and Kentucky if it doesn't 'self police' this. I do think that Harrison did the right thing by immediately telephoning Frank.
I thought the version that ended in "gga" was ok depending on who stated it. Obviously, I can't say it, but that's what I was told....in fact here on MU Scoop.
They really should give out rule books to everyone now, might clear some things up.
It's so unfair that black people can say that word and white people can't. It's almost as if context matters.
Just another example of how tough it is for the white man in America today.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 05, 2015, 09:28:40 AM
It's so unfair that black people can say that word and white people can't. It's almost as if context matters.
Just another example of how tough it is for the white man in America today.
I love a world of double standards.....it makes for really good PROGRESS, policies, and general good will among people.
Young man you can do this, but you sir can't do that same thing the young man over here can
You maam are not allowed to say this, but you sir you can
She can say and do this because she's a she, if sir if you want to do that you need to add an "s" to your "he"....see Bruce Jenner
Non-issue.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 05, 2015, 09:34:14 AM
I love a world of double standards.....it makes for really good PROGRESS, policies, and general good will among people.
Young man you can do this, but you sir can't do that same thing the young man over here can
You maam are not allowed to say this, but you sir you can
She can say and do this because she's a she, if sir if you want to do that you need to add an "s" to your "he"....see Bruce Jenner
Honestly, why does this bother you so much? How is your life changed because you can not say the "N" word but black people can say the "N" word? I have never understood this issue, actually I think I do, but I would like to hear your thoughts.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 05, 2015, 09:34:14 AM
I love a world of double standards.....it makes for really good PROGRESS, policies, and general good will among people.
Young man you can do this, but you sir can't do that same thing the young man over here can
You maam are not allowed to say this, but you sir you can
She can say and do this because she's a she, if sir if you want to do that you need to add an "s" to your "he"....see Bruce Jenner
If you don't understand why and how there's a huge difference in meaning and context when a white person uses that word, you're truly beyond help.
But keep playing the victim ....
Bruce Jenner?
Quote from: Black Swan on April 05, 2015, 09:46:44 AM
Honestly, why does this bother you so much? How is your life changed because you can not say the "N" word but black people can say the "N" word? I have never understood this issue, actually I think I do, but I would like to hear your thoughts.
trees-forest, forest-trees ?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 05, 2015, 07:53:49 AM
And that's the essence of what's wrong with race relations in this country. Thanks BO
Finally, we get down to what this is really about.
You're still pissed that as black man is president.
But you are the winner in a big upset. When I saw Harrison's comment, I was sure it would be either Chicos or Surgeon that brought up Obama. Surgeon does get the runner-up award for making sure he got a Sharpton/Jackson comment in on the matter.
But, you keep denigrating Native Americans as you bemoan race relations in the country. It's rich.
Quote from: Black Swan on April 05, 2015, 09:46:44 AM
Honestly, why does this bother you so much? How is your life changed because you can not say the "N" word but black people can say the "N" word? I have never understood this issue, actually I think I do, but I would like to hear your thoughts.
Personally, it doesn't bother me, I'm just enjoying fauxrage. I have no desire to say the word or refer to people in that matter. I find it disgusting. I just don't like double standards or hypocrisy. I'm guilty of it at times (double standards), just ilke everyone else.
In a world so hypersensitive to PC BS, I find these things entertaining to put it mildly. I enjoy watching one side scramble to defend usage like this and then justify it. Say he said "F* Cracka.....the same amount of defending would go on. It's the world we live in.
Do you recall some of the nonsense you threw my way and a few others last year when Cuonzo Martin was up for the gig. You accused some of us of not wanting him because he was black.....yet the same guys you accused of this thinking wanted Shaka Smart....who is a black man. That's an example of the nonsense I see all the time. It's so reactionary, so focused on one statement, one thing that when it happens in reverse it makes me laugh. Just telling you like it is.
Let me ask you a question....should this young man be disciplined? If he had said "cracka" should he have been disciplined? If we're trying to get racial harmony across the board shouldn't we be equally communicating to people regardless of race what is acceptable and what isn't? If double standards are perpetuated, be it in policies, communications, hiring standards, etc, then in my view very little continued progress will be made. People desire fairness, they desire meritocracy, they desire being treated equally. My two cents, feel free to disagree.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 05, 2015, 09:47:23 AM
If you don't understand why and how there's a huge difference in meaning and context when a white person uses that word, you're truly beyond help.
But keep playing the victim ....
Bruce Jenner?
Yup, I understand the difference....I also understand that by allowing such language to continue without condemnation also does no one any good. We're supposed to be judged by the content of our character. Were those words a good example of that? Would society in general be better off if those words were removed from the daily vocabulary of all people? I say yes. What say you?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 05, 2015, 07:53:49 AM
And that's the essence of what's wrong with race relations in this country. Thanks BO
Right because before bo it was ok for you to call any black man a n*gga Jeeze what type of small minded hillbilly town are you from? There's actual race issues going on in this world and you're grumpy because you can't use a word without sounding racist because it was used as a derogatory term by your parents, their parents, and pending on how old you are you as a child to.
What's wrong with race relations is people getting defensive over not being able to say a word when they should be wondering about discrepancies in percentage of a race employed, educated, in prison, etc.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 05, 2015, 10:08:22 AM
Yup, I understand the difference....I also understand that by allowing such language to continue without condemnation also does no one any good. We're supposed to be judged by the content of our character. Were those words a good example of that? Would society in general be better off if those words were removed from the daily vocabulary of all people? I say yes. What say you?
No, it's completely obvious you don't understand the difference. If you understood the difference, you wouldn't be crying here about double standards about the reaction to a black person saying that word and a white person saying that word. There is no double standard because the two things
are not the same.
I say he said something regrettable and stupid, and immediately apologized for it, both publicly and personally to the person the comment was directed toward.
I also think society would be better off if people didn't try to turn this into a major race issue - which it isn't - by injecting Al Sharpton, Barack Obama and complaining how it's so unfair that they can't drop the 'N' word, too.
Rather, it should be treated it for what it was, a college kid saying something dumb in the heat of the moment.
Apparerently, there was more going on with Kentucky Nation than just slurs and couch fires, a'nia?
(http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/rawfile/2012/04/051-660x528.jpg)
It was stupid of Harrison to say. If he stays in school, he should face some kind of discipline.
I do like to think, however, that Scoopers of all political leanings recognize the difference between Harrison saying that about Kaminsky vs. a white athlete saying it about a black athlete. If some Scoopers don't recognize that and their outrage is real, there's no hope.
Love,
Registered Independent (leans left on social issues, centrist on fiscal issues)
Take a listen and read of Stephen A. Smith's comments about Harrison's comments.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12622577
I will say I agree with him on EVERY point he is making about why it was said, but there in comes the rub. He "condemns" it, says it shouldn't be said, inappropriate to say it, etc. Great, seems all of us here can agree to that.....people here saying it was stupid, inappropriate, etc. We agree?
The problem I have with it is the "boys will be boys", or in his (Smith's) words "young juvenile blacks will be young juvenile blacks" and "that's just the way it is". So he "condemns" it, then gives a free pass. Again, if society says this is wrong (he does, many people here do), then why isn't the condemnation much stronger? Why is a simple "it's just the way it is" allowed as an answer? If it's wrong, it's wrong. If it isn't condemned strongly, then it will continue...yes? Of course it will.
So as a society we should be deciding what is wrong and what is right. Not, "well, it's wrong, but it's ok, too because...well because". That's part of the problem. That's why things don't change. My two cents.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 05, 2015, 10:21:41 AM
No, it's completely obvious you don't understand the difference. If you understood the difference, you wouldn't be crying here about double standards about the reaction to a black person saying that word and a white person saying that word. There is no double standard because the two things are not the same.
I say he said something regrettable and stupid, and immediately apologized for it, both publicly and personally to the person the comment was directed toward.
I also think society would be better off if people didn't try to turn this into a major race issue - which it isn't - by injecting Al Sharpton, Barack Obama and complaining how it's so unfair that they can't drop the 'N' word, too.
Rather, it should be treated it for what it was, a college kid saying something dumb in the heat of the moment.
Sorry Pakuni, it is a double standard. You said it was regrettable and stupid, so did MU82, so did Stephen A. Smith, so if its wrong its wrong. Yet there's always a defense with it....it's wrong, but it's ok because its different. Which is it? Is it wrong, or is it not wrong?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 05, 2015, 11:12:00 AM
Sorry Pakuni, it is a double standard. You said it was regrettable and stupid, so did MU82, so did Stephen A. Smith, so if its wrong its wrong. Yet there's always a defense with it....it's wrong, but it's ok because its different. Which is it? Is it wrong, or is it not wrong?
NUANCE!!
GRAY, NOT BLACK AND WHITE!!!
Everything can't be boiled down to "right" and "wrong," as much as you and others might wish that were so.
Now go back to arguing. It seems to be what you do best and enjoy most.
Quote from: MU82 on April 05, 2015, 11:16:04 AM
NUANCE!!
GRAY, NOT BLACK AND WHITE!!!
Everything can't be boiled down to "right" and "wrong," as much as you and others might wish that were so.
Now go back to arguing. It seems to be what you do best and enjoy most.
Excuses, nuance, but but, depends what is is, zero accountability or personal responsibility, it takes a village to understand, you aren't a female or black or a minority so you can't weigh in as you don't understand, etc, etc
;D
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 05, 2015, 11:12:00 AM
Sorry Pakuni, it is a double standard. You said it was regrettable and stupid, so did MU82, so did Stephen A. Smith, so if its wrong its wrong. Yet there's always a defense with it....it's wrong, but it's ok because its different. Which is it? Is it wrong, or is it not wrong?
When did I say "it's OK because it's different?"
Stop making stuff up.
Look, if you want to pretend it's the same thing deserving of the same reaction, you're free to do so. I'd prefer to understand context and historical meaning.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 05, 2015, 11:20:13 AM
Excuses, nuance, but but, depends what is is, zero accountability or personal responsibility, it takes a village to understand, you aren't a female or black or a minority so you can't weigh in as you don't understand, etc, etc
;D
Well said. Because you
don't understand!
Quote from: Pakuni on April 05, 2015, 11:21:13 AM
When did I say "it's OK because it's different?"
Stop making stuff up.
Look, if you want to pretend it's the same thing deserving of the same reaction, you're free to do so. I'd prefer to understand context and historical meaning.
Should it be condemned and punished? Simple question?
Quote from: MU82 on April 05, 2015, 11:35:12 AM
Well said. Because you don't understand!
Of course not, I'm someone that takes personal responsibility for things. I don't understand people that don't.
It's pure and simply outrageous. Where is Rev. Jackson and Al Sharpton? Civil rights are civil rights, hey? As for our president, he has the opportunity to unify race relations in this country like no one has been able in the past. This remains a missed mark on his legacy.
So, is "ni**a" allowed to be said by anyone? There are a lot of whites that love to sound black and use that word.
Would it be a bigger deal if Harrison had said the "ni**er" pronunciation?
The spinning and twisting in knots to excuse this is amazing.
Quote from: Warriorfish on April 05, 2015, 11:58:14 AM
So, is "ni**a" allowed to be said by anyone? There are a lot of whites that love to sound black and use that word.
Would it be a bigger deal if Harrison had said the "ni**er" pronunciation?
The spinning and twisting in knots to excuse this is amazing.
What do black people sound like?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 05, 2015, 11:47:30 AM
Should it be condemned and punished? Simple question?
What do you mean by condemned?
Is saying it was stupid, inappropriate and deserving of an apology condemnation enough? It is for me.
Punished? How so? Run some extra laps after practice? 50 pushups? OK, sure.
What more do you want? Expelled from school? A public flogging?
Let's keep this in perspective. When Riley Cooper did the same thing in a much more egregious manner - for reasons which I hope are obvious - he wasn't suspended from a single game or practice by either the Eagles or the NFL. Was that fair?
Where was your call for condemnation and outrage then?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 05, 2015, 11:56:42 AM
It's pure and simply outrageous. Where is Rev. Jackson and Al Sharpton? Civil rights are civil rights, hey? As for our president, he has the opportunity to unify race relations in this country like no one has been able in the past. This remains a missed mark on his legacy.
Whose civil rights were violated here?
And, as many already have pointed out, the guy who proudly displays an insulting racial caricature probably ought not be the one giving lectures on race relations.
Ai'na?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 05, 2015, 11:56:42 AM
It's pure and simply outrageous. Where is Rev. Jackson and Al Sharpton? Civil rights are civil rights, hey? As for our president, he has the opportunity to unify race relations in this country like no one has been able in the past. This remains a missed mark on his legacy.
Keep beating that drum... ::)
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 05, 2015, 11:56:42 AM
It's pure and simply outrageous. Where is Rev. Jackson and Al Sharpton? Civil rights are civil rights, hey? As for our president, he has the opportunity to unify race relations in this country like no one has been able in the past. This remains a missed mark on his legacy.
You simply don't understand.....don't try and rationalize it. You aren't black, your opinion on the matter isn't needed.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 05, 2015, 12:14:26 PM
What do you mean by condemned?
Is saying it was stupid, inappropriate and deserving of an apology condemnation enough? It is for me.
Punished? How so? Run some extra laps after practice? 50 pushups? OK, sure.
What more do you want? Expelled from school? A public flogging?
Let's keep this in perspective. When Riley Cooper did the same thing in a much more egregious manner - for reasons which I hope are obvious - he wasn't suspended from a single game or practice by either the Eagles or the NFL. Was that fair?
Where was your call for condemnation and outrage then?
I love the "you didn't say anything about X,Y,Z" defense. Cool, will use that one moving forward with all of your comments on the political board. I'll even source this thread so you know where it's coming from.
If people are saying it is stupid, unnecessary, a slur, wrong, etc do you not also find it odd that in the very next sentence there is a huge BUT with an excuse coming words later? That's not a condemnation.
4ever is right....here's a chance for people to stand up together and truly say ALL of it is wrong, needs to stop. Tell you what, I'll get on the ban Redskins bandwagon immediately when it happens. But as long as there is a huge BUT and endless excuses and mild "it's wrong, BUT..." then this crap will continue on and on and on.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 05, 2015, 12:40:20 PM
I love the "you didn't say anything about X,Y,Z" defense. Cool, will use that one moving forward with all of your comments on the political board. I'll even source this thread so you know where it's coming from.
If people are saying it is stupid, unnecessary, a slur, wrong, etc do you not also find it odd that in the very next sentence there is a huge BUT with an excuse coming words later? That's not a condemnation.
4ever is right....here's a chance for people to stand up together and truly say ALL of it is wrong, needs to stop. Tell you what, I'll get on the ban Redskins bandwagon immediately when it happens. But as long as there is a huge BUT and endless excuses and mild "it's wrong, BUT..." then this crap will continue on and on and on.
This is what's so frustrating about you, Chico's. You out-and-out make stuff up. Constantly. You're disingenuous.
Not one person here has argued that what Harrison said is OK. Not one.
In the meantime, you continue to demand condemnation and punishment, without saying what you consider appropriate condemnation and punishment is.
But thanks for bringing up Washington. Reminds us all that you'll vehemently defend the right of a billion dollar corporation to use and profit off a racial slur, while demanding condemnation and punishment for a college kid who mutters a slur under his breath.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 05, 2015, 12:48:37 PM
This is what's so frustrating about you, Chico's. You out-and-out make stuff up. Constantly. You're disingenuous.
Not one person here has argued that what Harrison said is OK. Not one.
In the meantime, you continue to demand condemnation and punishment, without saying what you consider appropriate condemnation and punishment is.
But thanks for bringing up Washington. Reminds us all that you'll vehemently defend the right of a billion dollar corporation to use and profit off a racial slur, while demanding condemnation and punishment for a college kid who mutters a slur under his breath.
Of course he should be punished. He's a black guy who said something.
Wow - some people just don't get it.
Quote from: reinko on April 05, 2015, 12:13:34 PM
What do black people sound like?
Harry Reid answered that question in 2008....and then a little over 2 years later apologized for it. That's the only reference point I have for your question.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 05, 2015, 12:48:37 PM
This is what's so frustrating about you, Chico's. You out-and-out make stuff up. Constantly. You're disingenuous.
Not one person here has argued that what Harrison said is OK. Not one.
In the meantime, you continue to demand condemnation and punishment, without saying what you consider appropriate condemnation and punishment is.
But thanks for bringing up Washington. Reminds us all that you'll vehemently defend the right of a billion dollar corporation to use and profit off a racial slur, while demanding condemnation and punishment for a college kid who mutters a slur under his breath.
FWIW, I personally don't think it's a big deal. At worst, it's unprofessional. The kid was frustrated because he just lost the game, cut him some slack.
Quote from: Eldon on April 05, 2015, 01:05:32 PM
FWIW, I personally don't think it's a big deal. At worst, it's unprofessional. The kid was frustrated because he just lost the game, cut him some slack.
It was a stupid thing to say that deserved (and got) an apology, agreed?
Not OK, but also not outrageous.
But some here are demanding public condemnation, punishment and the involvement of Al Sharpton. Because only then can we hope to improve race relations, or something.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 05, 2015, 12:48:37 PM
This is what's so frustrating about you, Chico's. You out-and-out make stuff up. Constantly. You're disingenuous.
Not one person here has argued that what Harrison said is OK. Not one.
In the meantime, you continue to demand condemnation and punishment, without saying what you consider appropriate condemnation and punishment is.
But thanks for bringing up Washington. Reminds us all that you'll vehemently defend the right of a billion dollar corporation to use and profit off a racial slur, while demanding condemnation and punishment for a college kid who mutters a slur under his breath.
I beg to differ. You're trying to have it both ways, just like Stephen A. Smith. Condemnation....BUT. What he said was stupid....BUT. What he did was wrong....BUT.
Seems to be a lot of BUTS, a lot of excuses. So while you claim to say that no one is saying what Harrison did was ok, you come around like others to justify why he did it. And others flat out say you just don't understand the "differences". Those are excuses, you're trying to have it both ways.
So I beg to differ, I'm not making anything up. You condemn, then excuse. You rationalize. Others say it isn't black and white, you just wouldn't understand. Always an excuse, always a justification. Therefore, sorry, it's not a condemnation as much as you want it to be.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 05, 2015, 01:14:11 PM
I beg to differ. You're trying to have it both ways, just like Stephen A. Smith. Condemnation....BUT. What he said was stupid....BUT. What he did was wrong....BUT.
Seems to be a lot of BUTS, a lot of excuses. So while you claim to say that no one is saying what Harrison did was ok, you come around like others to justify why he did it. And others flat out say you just don't understand the "differences". Those are excuses, you're trying to have it both ways.
So I beg to differ, I'm not making anything up. You condemn, then excuse. You rationalize. Others say it isn't black and white, you just wouldn't understand. Always an excuse, always a justification. Therefore, sorry, it's not a condemnation as much as you want it to be.
Knock it off, Pakuni!!
You're trying to have it both ways like that other black guy. Like black people always do.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 05, 2015, 01:14:11 PM
I beg to differ. You're trying to have it both ways, just like Stephen A. Smith. Condemnation....BUT. What he said was stupid....BUT. What he did was wrong....BUT.
Seems to be a lot of BUTS, a lot of excuses. So while you claim to say that no one is saying what Harrison did was ok, you come around like others to justify why he did it. And others flat out say you just don't understand the "differences". Those are excuses, you're trying to have it both ways.
So I beg to differ, I'm not making anything up. You condemn, then excuse. You rationalize. Others say it isn't black and white, you just wouldn't understand. Always an excuse, always a justification. Therefore, sorry, it's not a condemnation as much as you want it to be.
Not one time have I said "what he said was stupid, but." Not once have I justified why he did it.
It's all here in the thread. You lie.
Still waiting to hear your ideas for proper condemnation and punishment.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 05, 2015, 01:11:13 PM
It was a stupid thing to say that deserved (and got) an apology, agreed?
Not OK, but also not outrageous.
But some here are demanding public condemnation, punishment and the involvement of Al Sharpton. Because only then can we hope to improve race relations, or something.
People are asking for true condemnation and EQUAL treatment. It's about equality, right? Or wait....is there a BUT coming again?
It's rarely what is said, it's WHO SAYS THE WHAT! The double standards from you guys seems to pop up all too often.
Harry Reid says Obama is light skinned and doesn't speak with a Negro dialect.....crickets. Takes 2 years to apologize. Nuance. Progress. You wouldn't understand...Harry is
black after all.
Joe Biden makes racial remarks about Dunkin Donuts owners....crickets. Joe being Joe. Excuses. Nuance.
Shaq..."Tell [NBA center] Yao Ming, 'Ching-chong-yang-wah-ah-so."....crickets.
I can give you 100's of other examples...always an excuse....UNLESS....the wrong person says it and then there is hell to pay and we'll be damn sure the extract that pound of flesh every single damn day.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 05, 2015, 01:22:15 PM
Not one time have I said "what he said was stupid, but." Not once have I justified why he did it.
It's all here in the thread. You lie.
Still waiting to hear your ideas for proper condemnation and punishment.
BS.... you did in your very first statement
"It's so unfair that black people can say that word and white people can't.
It's almost as if context matters. Just another example of how tough it is for the white man in America today.That's your BUT....that's your excuse....context matters. There's always a but, always a reason why.
Your second statement...."If you don't understand why and
how there's a huge difference in meaning and context when a white person uses that word, you're truly beyond help."
There's your BUT, your excuse....don't you understand WHY it can be used and the meaning is different and context and nuance and progress.....
I could go on, but yes....you did EXACTLY what I said you did. Condemn, BUT....it was stupid, BUT...it was wrong, BUT
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 05, 2015, 01:38:04 PM
BS.... you did in your very first statement
"It's so unfair that black people can say that word and white people can't. It's almost as if context matters. Just another example of how tough it is for the white man in America today.
That's your BUT....that's your excuse....context matters. There's always a but, always a reason why.
Your second statement...."If you don't understand why and how there's a huge difference in meaning and context when a white person uses that word, you're truly beyond help."
There's your BUT, your excuse....don't you understand WHY it can be used and the meaning is different and context and nuance and progress.....
I could go on, but yes....you did EXACTLY what I said you did. Condemn, BUT....it was stupid, BUT...it was wrong, BUT
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I just love it when rich old white dudes find a Cause to get behind. Public flogging, just like old times hey? Chicos will bring the bedsheets and hangin' rope.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 05, 2015, 01:34:34 PM
People are asking for true condemnation and EQUAL treatment. It's about equality, right? Or wait....is there a BUT coming again?
It's rarely what is said, it's WHO SAYS THE WHAT! The double standards from you guys seems to pop up all too often.
Harry Reid says Obama is light skinned and doesn't speak with a Negro dialect.....crickets. Takes 2 years to apologize. Nuance. Progress. You wouldn't understand...Harry is black after all.
Joe Biden makes racial remarks about Dunkin Donuts owners....crickets. Joe being Joe. Excuses. Nuance.
Shaq..."Tell [NBA center] Yao Ming, 'Ching-chong-yang-wah-ah-so."....crickets.
I can give you 100's of other examples...always an excuse....UNLESS....the wrong person says it and then there is hell to pay and we'll be damn sure the extract that pound of flesh every single damn day.
Chico's if you told your boss in front of the whole office to pull his head out of his A$$, what would happen.
Now if you told your secretary the same thing after making a mistake, it would be fine. Context does matter. Context defines possible connotations and affects perception. To ignore these aspects is ignorant.
Was Harrison's statements appropriate? No! But it is not as much of a story as if it was flipped and rightly so, because of context.
Superbar
Edit: Just kidding, it's already here.
Doyel nails it.
Context matters, you know? The same word doesn't mean the same thing in every context. Example: Wisconsin's Sam Dekker drains a 3-pointer over the 6-11 Towns and I'm thinking, "Dekker is a bad, bad man." What do I mean by "bad?" You know what I mean. And it's a compliment, not an insult.
Andrew Harrison was not complimenting Frank Kaminsky, make no mistake about that, but he was not slurring him, either. Context. It matters. So does perspective, and that's what any conversation about race — any conversation worth having — demands. Bring context and perspective to it, or sit it out. This topic is way too complicated, too dangerous, to be dictated by the unsophisticated.
Sadly, the unsophisticated are the emcees of today's social discourse. They are on Twitter and Facebook and the radio, and they are contributing their unsophisticated takes to a conversation that is the poorer for it.
http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2015/04/05/doyel-harrisons-word-choice-continues-conversation/25331669/
Quote from: Pakuni on April 05, 2015, 12:48:37 PM
This is what's so frustrating about you, Chico's. You out-and-out make stuff up. Constantly. You're disingenuous.
Not one person here has argued that what Harrison said is OK. Not one.
In the meantime, you continue to demand condemnation and punishment, without saying what you consider appropriate condemnation and punishment is.
But thanks for bringing up Washington. Reminds us all that you'll vehemently defend the right of a billion dollar corporation to use and profit off a racial slur, while demanding condemnation and punishment for a college kid who mutters a slur under his breath.
Not only that, Pakuni, but did you notice how Chicos completely ignored your very apt comparison to the Riley Cooper situation? That's a popular Chicos trick when he can't make a legit counter -- because far be it from him to actually acknowledge that somebody who makes a point that tarnishes his narrative might be correct.
Unlike Reid or Shaq or Chicos' other strawmen, the Cooper-Harrison comparison is valid and outstanding.
Harrison is a well-known black athlete who used the N-word in a public setting and sounded idiotic and immature doing it. (He also almost immediately issued a public apology and called Kaminsky to apologize privately.) Cooper is a well-known white athlete who used the n-word in a public setting -- and beyond that, threatened loudly to fight every n----- in the room. (A day later, Cooper apologized through a statement that was sent to the media.) Not only wasn't Cooper suspended, but he went on to get a huge contract less than a year later. Is that the kind of "punishment" some here want for Harrison, too? If so, I don't think he'd mind.
Riley was, in fact, condemned by a lot of people, including me. But I didn't think he should be suspended or cut, and he wasn't.
Nor do I think Harrison should be punished severely.
Maybe make him sit through some sensitivity training -- that's often the pretend punishment these kinds of things result in. In the unlikely event he returns for his junior year, maybe make him sit out one half of one game as an example.
Either of which is more punishment than Riley Cooper got for a far more inflammatory comment in a far more dangerous situation.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 05, 2015, 03:58:58 PM
Doyel nails it.
Context matters, you know? The same word doesn't mean the same thing in every context. Example: Wisconsin's Sam Dekker drains a 3-pointer over the 6-11 Towns and I'm thinking, "Dekker is a bad, bad man." What do I mean by "bad?" You know what I mean. And it's a compliment, not an insult.
Andrew Harrison was not complimenting Frank Kaminsky, make no mistake about that, but he was not slurring him, either. Context. It matters. So does perspective, and that's what any conversation about race — any conversation worth having — demands. Bring context and perspective to it, or sit it out. This topic is way too complicated, too dangerous, to be dictated by the unsophisticated.
Sadly, the unsophisticated are the emcees of today's social discourse. They are on Twitter and Facebook and the radio, and they are contributing their unsophisticated takes to a conversation that is the poorer for it.
http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2015/04/05/doyel-harrisons-word-choice-continues-conversation/25331669/
This is well put. Though Booker T also elaborates on this issue
https://www.youtube.com/v/iQm33xvEfnU
Robert Downey Jr. breaks it down.
https://www.youtube.com/v/Jnw6ZpHGjNQ
Quote from: MU82 on April 05, 2015, 04:12:30 PM
Not only that, Pakuni, but did you notice how Chicos completely ignored your very apt comparison to the Riley Cooper situation? That's a popular Chicos trick when he can't make a legit counter -- because far be it from him to actually acknowledge that somebody who makes a point that tarnishes his narrative might be correct.
If Chicos can't respond with a talking point, he's clueless. Those expecting him to respond in a reasonable, intelligent manner are usually disappointed.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 05, 2015, 01:43:10 PM
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Expected an answer like that. You were providing buts and excuses the entire time, and can't even recognize it. Reminds me a lot of liberal press, it's so engrained in them they can't take a step back and even recognize it.
but but but but...a reason, a rational situation, a justification that explains the nuance....so much fun.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 05, 2015, 01:43:10 PM
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Yes, Tyson, it does sound like a broken record.
from bomani Jones through Doyel:
https://twitter.com/GreggDoyelStar/status/584816105438457856?s=09
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on April 05, 2015, 02:14:26 PM
I just love it when rich old white dudes find a Cause to get behind. Public flogging, just like old times hey? Chicos will bring the bedsheets and hangin' rope.
Awesome....very well said. Yes, a liberal throwing the racism charges out....always a winner.
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Quote from: forgetful on April 05, 2015, 02:30:11 PM
Chico's if you told your boss in front of the whole office to pull his head out of his A$$, what would happen.
Now if you told your secretary the same thing after making a mistake, it would be fine. Context does matter. Context defines possible connotations and affects perception. To ignore these aspects is ignorant.
Was Harrison's statements appropriate? No! But it is not as much of a story as if it was flipped and rightly so, because of context.
Extremely poor analogy. First, in our setting in a private conversation we're allowed to tell our bosses they have their heads up their asses. Ironically, we are not allowed to tell our subordinates. Regardless, just not a good example when you're talking about racially charged words.
Now, I actually agree with you that I think this whole thing is much ado about nothing, but I also have absolutely zero doubt that if the shoe was on the other foot, this would be a HUGE deal for a long time. <insert liberal shrieks and protests that of course it is different, minorities can't be racists, you don't live in their shoes, it's "different", history......"
Which is why I've asked the question .....if it's wrong it's wrong...yes? If it's a slur its a slur? But what I keep getting back from people are excuses.
Yes, it's wrong and he shouldn't have done it.....but.....but.....but.....context.....past history....1865.....
If it is wrong, it's wrong. Stop the excuses. Stop the but but but. Stop giving people a free pass. You all agree it shouldn't be said, but you also know that a blind eye is turned on it, glorified in all sorts of ways from music, the culture, to whatever. So which is it...is it wrong or isn't? You're trying to have it both ways, and the excuses only prove that out.
Quote from: jesmu84 on April 05, 2015, 05:43:31 PM
from bomani Jones through Doyel:
https://twitter.com/GreggDoyelStar/status/584816105438457856?s=09
I love that defense....Daniel Snyder doesn't intend Redskins to be a slur.
Cool
End of the day, I'm all about getting rid of the word entirely....by everyone!
I guess some of you are not....cuz culture...history...excuses....nuance....
Rather ironic.
His family, friends, school may want to say, "hey Andrew.. that's inappropriate. Don't represent your school like that."
That's about it.
If he had said, "F that white devil cracker" then we have an issue. He didn't.
Hey Chicos ... how about that Harrison-Cooper comparison? You know, the one in which the white athlete who shouted in public that he would "fight every n-----" and then was punished with a $22.5 million contract.
Haven't heard your take on that yet because, well, it doesn't support your narrative that any white athlete who said what Harrison said would have gotten the death sentence.
Keep ignoring the actual apples-to-apples comparison because it gets in the way of your strawmen.
Complete non issue. After hanging around my dad's basketball team and hearing the word said by both black and white players without a second thought from either party it's really not a big deal. It's never been an issue for team chemistry so my dad and the guy he coaches with just let it go.
I think the double-standard about what is classy and what isn't is delightful.
Badger player gives answer at press conference about "suckoffs" and everyone laughs.
I didn't personally find it offensive or anything, but classy, not the least.
just wondering how this would have played out if indiana pizza restaurant owner, when asked if she would cater a gay wedding responded with what mr. harrison said-of course this is after a 20 hour work day, business a little slow, unruly customers, that's just crystal being crystal, but she's learned from it and apologized-all good ::)
Dumb thing to say, and he apologized. Not sure what there is to be upset about at this point. Kaminsky and Bo both said they were over it and it was a non-issue.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on April 07, 2015, 05:23:37 AM
just wondering how this would have played out if indiana pizza restaurant owner, when asked if she would cater a gay wedding responded with what mr. harrison said-of course this is after a 20 hour work day, business a little slow, unruly customers, that's just crystal being crystal, but she's learned from it and apologized-all good ::)
Mercy me.... those awful gays are almost as bad as them uppity black folk. They just always pick on those poor, put-upon white folks just tryin' to make an honest living.
Not to defend Kentucky, but I'm pretty sure that wasn't intended to be a racial statement... sort of the same as saying, "Man, screw that guy"
However Brenna Ryan's tweet about white basketball was absolutely intended to reference race. Consider me not sympathetic to Badgers
Quote from: Grayson Allen on April 07, 2015, 02:42:03 PM
Not to defend Kentucky, but I'm pretty sure that wasn't intended to be a racial statement... sort of the same as saying, "Man, screw that guy"
However Brenna Ryan's tweet about white basketball was absolutely intended to reference race. Consider me not sympathetic to Badgers
I don't think it was "racial" either, but then again there are many statements made that aren't racial which people say is racial...that was part of the point.
If we truly want to remove some of these words from the lexicon of our vocabularies as people, then there should be universal condemnation of the words being used by ANYONE. You can't parse it and say "well, you can use it....you can't....you can, but only in songs...blah blah". Is the word a problem or isn't? Is the word only a problem for some?
If we want the elimination of some of these words, it should be universal.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 07, 2015, 03:29:53 PM
I don't think it was "racial" either, but then again there are many statements made that aren't racial which people say is racial...that was part of the point.
If we truly want to remove some of these words from the lexicon of our vocabularies as people, then there should be universal condemnation of the words being used by ANYONE. You can't parse it and say "well, you can use it....you can't....you can, but only in songs...blah blah". Is the word a problem or isn't? Is the word only a problem for some?
If we want the elimination of some of these words, it should be universal.
Is this really something you lose sleep about?
Why is this polluting the SuperBar?
Why is it not in the cesspool of the Politics board?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 07, 2015, 03:29:53 PM
I don't think it was "racial" either, but then again there are many statements made that aren't racial which people say is racial...that was part of the point.
If we truly want to remove some of these words from the lexicon of our vocabularies as people, then there should be universal condemnation of the words being used by ANYONE. You can't parse it and say "well, you can use it....you can't....you can, but only in songs...blah blah". Is the word a problem or isn't? Is the word only a problem for some?
If we want the elimination of some of these words, it should be universal.
Yea I think you're hijacking this. It's a basketball forum, not a place where everyone wants to delve into the cesspool of semantics surrounding the n-word.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on April 07, 2015, 03:40:15 PM
Is this really something you lose sleep about?
Am I losing sleep over it?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 08, 2015, 08:37:15 AM
Am I losing sleep over it?
You're certainly not losing sleep over your avoidance of the Cooper Riley-Andrew Harrison, apples-to-apples comparison.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 07, 2015, 03:29:53 PM
I don't think it was "racial" either, but then again there are many statements made that aren't racial which people say is racial...that was part of the point.
If we truly want to remove some of these words from the lexicon of our vocabularies as people, then there should be universal condemnation of the words being used by ANYONE. You can't parse it and say "well, you can use it....you can't....you can, but only in songs...blah blah". Is the word a problem or isn't? Is the word only a problem for some?
If we want the elimination of some of these words, it should be universal.
Am I missing something? Wasn't Harrison condemned by most for his use of the word? Sure some people are going to disagree, but that's the way it is with everything.
Why do you gin up controversies where none exist? Why are you ignoring the Riley Cooper situation where a white guy used the same exact word, but in a much different context, yet pretty much faced little consequence?
It wasn't classy, it was wrong, it should not be repeated....tired of the BS exceptions, excuses that continue to allow this crap to go on.
http://www.elkharttruth.com/sports/2015/04/06/Twine-Line-Thanks-Kentucky-for-revealing-yourself.html
Quote from: jsglow on April 05, 2015, 09:18:02 AM
Wow. Just learned about this. 100% unacceptable. I hope the NCAA comes down hard on Mr. Harrison and Kentucky if it doesn't 'self police' this. I do think that Harrison did the right thing by immediately telephoning Frank.
What could the Ncaa or Kentucky possibily do to him? He's never going to play another game in college.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 08, 2015, 10:24:10 PM
It wasn't classy, it was wrong, it should not be repeated....tired of the BS exceptions, excuses that continue to allow this crap to go on.
http://www.elkharttruth.com/sports/2015/04/06/Twine-Line-Thanks-Kentucky-for-revealing-yourself.html
Did you address Riley Cooper yet?
Quote from: jesmu84 on April 09, 2015, 06:31:33 AM
Did you address Riley Cooper yet?
No. He hasn't.
I was debating this with a friend of mine yesterday, and he was getting very upset over many of the same things that Chicos was getting upset about and he finally said to me "why aren't you getting upset over the double-standard?"
And I finally replied "Look, I am a middle-class, white male who lives in the USA. My life is better than probably 98% of the people on this earth. I am not going to get upset over blacks getting more of a pass to use the n-word than whites get."
And this is really what frustrates me about people like Chicos. In the grand scheme of things, this is so minor. There is hypocrisy all around us. Double standards all around us. Many that I frankly benefit from. I just can't get all upset about a double standard that doesn't allow me to use the n-word.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on April 09, 2015, 08:43:05 AM
No. He hasn't.
I was debating this with a friend of mine yesterday, and he was getting very upset over many of the same things that Chicos was getting upset about and he finally said to me "why aren't you getting upset over the double-standard?"
And I finally replied "Look, I am a middle-class, white male who lives in the USA. My life is better than probably 98% of the people on this earth. I am not going to get upset over blacks getting more of a pass to use the n-word than whites get."
And this is really what frustrates me about people like Chicos. In the grand scheme of things, this is so minor. There is hypocrisy all around us. Double standards all around us. Many that I frankly benefit from. I just can't get all upset about a double standard that doesn't allow me to use the n-word.
Extremely well said, as usual, Sultan. I have very little to be angry about in my life. If you are on Scoop, you were probably born on 3rd base, compared to most of the world. Not being able to use the n word while some people do is not something I am particularly distressed about.
Thank you.
I just get so frustrated by people on both sides of the political spectrum that seemingly spend all their time pointing out all ways society is persecuting them. I just can't get all wrapped up in that.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on April 09, 2015, 09:00:40 AM
Extremely well said, as usual, Sultan. I have very little to be angry about in my life. If you are on Scoop, you were probably born on 3rd base, compared to most of the world. Not being able to use the n word while some people do is not something I am particularly distressed about.
not to mention, I'm pretty sure most white people are severely overestimating how cool they'd sound saying the n-word, should it all of a sudden become accessible to them.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on April 09, 2015, 08:43:05 AM
No. He hasn't.
I was debating this with a friend of mine yesterday, and he was getting very upset over many of the same things that Chicos was getting upset about and he finally said to me "why aren't you getting upset over the double-standard?"
And I finally replied "Look, I am a middle-class, white male who lives in the USA. My life is better than probably 98% of the people on this earth. I am not going to get upset over blacks getting more of a pass to use the n-word than whites get."
And this is really what frustrates me about people like Chicos. In the grand scheme of things, this is so minor. There is hypocrisy all around us. Double standards all around us. Many that I frankly benefit from. I just can't get all upset about a double standard that doesn't allow me to use the n-word.
Sultan, you are 100% correct. Look around the world, your country or even your city. Chico, you and I won the lottery at birth and have been living the dream ever since. We should be head over heels with gratitude and maybe even a little sheepish about our good fortune. We should be generous in our outreach to those born to less fortunate circumstances. Be grateful, be happy. Very simple.
Not for Chico and his ilk. They can't graciously acknowledge their good fortune. They think they earned that lottery ticket. In their bizarro world, they're the underdogs, the victims - and that validates them. It also makes them defensive, suspicious, angry, combative and ultimately unhappy. Chico would never admit this but it comes through loud and clear in his constant battles here.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 09, 2015, 09:37:36 AM
Sultan, you are 100% correct. Look around the world, your country or even your city. Chico, you and I won the lottery at birth and have been living the dream ever since. We should be head over heels with gratitude and maybe even a little sheepish about our good fortune. We should be generous in our outreach to those born to less fortunate circumstances. Be grateful, be happy. Very simple.
Not for Chico and his ilk. They can't graciously acknowledge their good fortune. They think they earned that lottery ticket. In their bizarro world, they're the underdogs, the victims - and that validates them. It also makes them defensive, suspicious, angry, combative and ultimately unhappy. Chico would never admit this but it comes through loud and clear in his constant battles here.
Yep, nothing tougher than being a white Christian male who grew up in a loving family.
Agree with all this here. 60 years old and have yet to be a victim of discrimination even once in my life.
Quote from: MU82 on April 05, 2015, 04:12:30 PM
Not only that, Pakuni, but did you notice how Chicos completely ignored your very apt comparison to the Riley Cooper situation? That's a popular Chicos trick when he can't make a legit counter -- because far be it from him to actually acknowledge that somebody who makes a point that tarnishes his narrative might be correct.
Unlike Reid or Shaq or Chicos' other strawmen, the Cooper-Harrison comparison is valid and outstanding.
Harrison is a well-known black athlete who used the N-word in a public setting and sounded idiotic and immature doing it. (He also almost immediately issued a public apology and called Kaminsky to apologize privately.) Cooper is a well-known white athlete who used the n-word in a public setting -- and beyond that, threatened loudly to fight every n----- in the room. (A day later, Cooper apologized through a statement that was sent to the media.) Not only wasn't Cooper suspended, but he went on to get a huge contract less than a year later. Is that the kind of "punishment" some here want for Harrison, too? If so, I don't think he'd mind.
Riley was, in fact, condemned by a lot of people, including me. But I didn't think he should be suspended or cut, and he wasn't.
Nor do I think Harrison should be punished severely.
Maybe make him sit through some sensitivity training -- that's often the pretend punishment these kinds of things result in. In the unlikely event he returns for his junior year, maybe make him sit out one half of one game as an example.
Either of which is more punishment than Riley Cooper got for a far more inflammatory comment in a far more dangerous situation.
MU82, is this the post you want me to comment on that you mentioned today? What exactly are you looking for? Cooper should have been suspended, period. This isn't hard....how would I be ducking this question, it's beyond silly. He should have been punished.
What I told Pakuni was his stupidity of saying "I don't remember you getting all upset when Riley Cooper did this 2 years ago" argument was beyond lame. Was that topic even discussed here? Was I even here when it happened? So on and so forth. If you want, we can go back and vet every single situation in human history and make sure we're all on record. :o
OH, but just for giggles....I did weigh in on Riley Cooper in a different thread long ago....apparently Pakuni didn't see it either....from two years ago. OUCH! http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=39179.msg508758#msg508758
Quote from: Pakuni on April 05, 2015, 12:14:26 PM
Let's keep this in perspective. When Riley Cooper did the same thing in a much more egregious manner - for reasons which I hope are obvious - he wasn't suspended from a single game or practice by either the Eagles or the NFL. Was that fair?
Where was your call for condemnation and outrage then?
I said it was wrong then....racism is racism.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=39179.msg508758#msg508758
I've been consistent for years. Doesn't matter who says it, racist comments are racist comments and need to stop.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 05, 2015, 09:19:10 AM
I thought the version that ended in "gga" was ok depending on who stated it. Obviously, I can't say it, but that's what I was told....in fact here on MU Scoop.
They really should give out rule books to everyone now, might clear some things up.
Are you a four year old? Do you really need to be told why you can't say the n-word? Why is this something you want to be able to say? Why are you wasting a single ounce of brain power on this? You can't say it. And that does NOT make you a victim.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 11, 2015, 01:15:32 PM
MU82, is this the post you want me to comment on that you mentioned today? What exactly are you looking for? Cooper should have been suspended, period. This isn't hard....how would I be ducking this question, it's beyond silly. He should have been punished.
What I told Pakuni was his stupidity of saying "I don't remember you getting all upset when Riley Cooper did this 2 years ago" argument was beyond lame. Was that topic even discussed here? Was I even here when it happened? So on and so forth. If you want, we can go back and vet every single situation in human history and make sure we're all on record. :o
OH, but just for giggles....I did weigh in on Riley Cooper in a different thread long ago....apparently Pakuni didn't see it either....from two years ago. OUCH! http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=39179.msg508758#msg508758
All right, Chicos ...
After the Harrison n-word incident, some bozo posted, "If a white Badgers player had said that after losing vs Kentucky last year, he's probably kicked out of school." And you responded, "Kicked out of school.....hell, there would be 24/7 coverage on MSNBC for the next 3 weeks."
You went on to talk about double-standards in succeeding posts, veered to Harry Reid and Joe Biden (of course) and finally said: "I can give you 100's of other examples...always an excuse....UNLESS....the wrong person says it and then there is hell to pay and we'll be damn sure the extract that pound of flesh every single damn day."
But when the fact was brought up that Riley Cooper -- who is white and therefore I assume fits your definition of "the wrong person" -- indeed used the n-word in an even more inflammatory way and wasn't suspended (and actually later received an eight-figure contract), you chose to ignore that.
We weren't asking you to condemn Cooper; we know you did so in the past. We were asking you if you wanted to keep claiming that a white jock automatically would be punished severely for saying the n-word -- when clearly, Riley Cooper's situation offered proof that your narrative there was bogus.
Look, I tend to see things in shades of gray and I often admit when I mess up. You see almost everything in black and white, and you are always right, at least on this board. In fact, you usually double-down or triple-down, even when you are caught stretching the truth or making strawman arguments.
You and I obviously will never agree on anything and, unlike you, I don't enjoy arguing for the sense of arguing. It's exhausting, and I'd rather do something more productive with my time, like pick lint out of my belly-button, or something less painful, like hit my thumb with a hammer.
Besides, it's not as if there aren't plenty of others who will challenge the silly things you say. So I'm done with you, at least for awhile.
Have a good spring and summer. Go Marquette!
I did comment on Riley Cooper, in the past, despite Pakuni's protestations that he doesn't recall me ever commenting on it. My point, which you brought up, was that the media woudl go on and on about it depending on WHO said the what. In Riley Cooper example, the media did just that....the media spent an entire week + examining it because of WHO said the what, which was exactly my point and exactly what happened. As predicted, in this situation, it would die down within hours....which of course...it did.
I admit I'm wrong all the time. I'm happy to go to the search function and list a few 100 posts where I have. It's lazy for you to say I'm always right....intellectually lazy....it really is. Always, never....intellectually lazy.
I double down or triple down on things I believe in....nuance. Many things aren't black and white, some are. See, we agree on something. The things that I find black and white, folks like you make excuses and scream nuance, grey areas..yes, I go after that because I don't find them nuanced at all. Then things that I find that have grey areas and nuanced, well you guys want a black and white answer. LOL. We're guilty of it on both sides. See, just admitted that I'm guilty of it....we have so much in common. Difference is, what you see as black and white, I don't. What I see as black and white, you don't. You call it silly. OK, I find a lot of what you're saying silly. As any of these threads show, plenty of people that call you guys silly, plenty of people that call me and others silly. That's the deal.
I think we would agree on many things, so to say we would not agree on anything ever....again, intellectually lazy. You give up to fast. I'll bet we have a ton of common ground.
Have a great Summer. I think you feel these jousts are somehow meanspirited or anger laced, but they aren't. I chuckle almost always when writing or reading them....that is unless someone is hurling racial nonsense. Other than that, water of the back.
Peace....enjoy....maybe that beer sometime to talk about moderate views. ;)