This week professional tennis has a big Tournament in Indian Wells California (next to Palm Springs). It is often called the "fifth major."
In 2001 this tournament was won by a 19-year old Serena Williams, beating Kim Clijsters of Denmark. The crowd was upset that Serena was in the finals. It was believed to be racial. Tennis fans were not ready for a 19-year old girl from Compton with corn-rows and beads. They booed her the entire match. Her sister Venus and her father/coach Richard were booed in the stands were also subjected to racial abusive.
Here is a snippet of ESPN's coverage of the 2001 match showing the booing and abuse.
http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2015/03/serena_williams_indian_wells_boycott_serena_s_return_to_the_bnp_paribas.html
Immediately after Serena won that match, at the post game presser, she and her family received and vowed to never play Indian Wells again.
Last week, 14 years later, Serena returned to Indian Wells to a 1-minute standing ovation. She explained why she decided to return in a Time Magazine article last month:
http://time.com/3694659/serena-williams-indian-wells/
I'm fortunate to be at a point in my career where I have nothing to prove. I'm still as driven as ever, but the ride is a little easier. I play for the love of the game. And it is with that love in mind, and a new understanding of the true meaning of forgiveness, that I will proudly return to Indian Wells in 2015.
I was raised by my mom to love and forgive freely. "When you stand praying, forgive whatever you have against anyone, so that your Father who is in the heavens may also forgive you" (Mark 11:25). I have faith that fans at Indian Wells have grown with the game and know me better than they did in 2001.
Indian Wells was a pivotal moment of my story, and I am a part of the tournament's story as well. Together we have a chance to write a different ending.
In an era of racial tension in Ferguson and NYC, the shooting of police officers and nearly daily protest, here comes a African/American athlete forgiving and willing to move on.
We tend to think such racism is in the past and not representative of what is happening today. Serena was again subjected to hateful remarks just this last fall (October 2014):
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2798975/serena-williams-criticizes-russian-tennis-chief-s-sexist-racist-bullying-remarks-said-venus-scary-look-at.html
Shamil Tarpischev, of the Russian Tennis Federation, made the remarks during an appearance on a local TV talk show this month alongside former Olympic singles champion Elena Dementieva.
When Dementieva was asked what it was like playing against the Williams sisters, Tarpischev cut in and called them the 'Williams brothers', before adding: 'It's scary when you really look at them.'
The official was later handed a one-year suspension imposed by the Women's Tennis Association (WTA) for the comments. He was also ordered to pay a $25,000 fine.
But right now, as I write this post, you can turn on the Tennis Channel and watch Serena Williams do something, at a time that it is needed in this country, that is one par with Jackie Robinson and Jesse Owens.
So who is the most inspirational person in sports? That's easy, Serena Williams.
This is a great story, but sadly, I am officially done with holding up professional athletes as "inspirational". I have been let down too many times.
Michael Jordan
O.J. Simpson
Lance Armstrong
Tiger Woods
Oscar Pistorius
I hope that Serena is different, but I will still choose my inspirational role models from my real life.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 15, 2015, 10:00:08 AM
This is a great story, but sadly, I am officially done with holding up professional athletes as "inspirational". I have been let down too many times.
Michael Jordan
O.J. Simpson
Lance Armstrong
Tiger Woods
Oscar Pistorius
I hope that Serena is different, but I will still choose my inspirational role models from my real life.
Like MuDish, and what his family is going through right now!
Quote from: warriorchick on March 15, 2015, 10:00:08 AM
This is a great story, but sadly, I am officially done with holding up professional athletes as "inspirational". I have been let down too many times.
Michael Jordan
O.J. Simpson
Lance Armstrong
Tiger Woods
Oscar Pistorius
I hope that Serena is different, but I will still choose my inspirational role models from my real life.
Excellent point!
So let me re-write my last sentence.
So who is the most inspirational person in sports? I hope it's Serena Williams.
Quote from: Heisenberg on March 15, 2015, 10:57:17 AM
Excellent point!
So let me re-write my last sentence.
So who is the most inspirational person in sports? I hope it's Serena Williams.
You hope it's someone who violently threatened the life of a line judge at the US Open for the crime of calling Williams for a foot fault?
Bizarre.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 15, 2015, 10:52:49 AM
Like MuDish, and what his family is going through right now!
Exactly! Little Bradley is my hero, and I know he spends zero time worrying about his Brand.
Love her eyebrows. Looks like Groucho Marx.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 15, 2015, 10:00:08 AM
This is a great story, but sadly, I am officially done with holding up professional athletes as "inspirational". I have been let down too many times.
Michael Jordan
O.J. Simpson
Lance Armstrong
Tiger Woods
Oscar Pistorius
I hope that Serena is different, but I will still choose my inspirational role models from my real life.
If you're looking to pro jocks for a role model, it's time to look somewhere else.
Like maybe actors, actresses, rock stars, and politicians, ai na?
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on March 15, 2015, 11:05:35 AM
You hope it's someone who violently threatened the life of a line judge at the US Open for the crime of calling Williams for a foot fault?
Bizarre.
So you have a standard of perfection?
She lost any possible respect when she blamed a 16-year old girl for being raped by two football players (Steubenville Ohio case).
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on March 15, 2015, 11:05:35 AM
You hope it's someone who violently threatened the life of a line judge at the US Open for the crime of calling Williams for a foot fault?
Bizarre.
She has always been one of my least favorite athletes by far. Just a nasty person and very much all about her. The threatening of the line judge was just one of many incidences that formed my opinion of her. Her interviews after both winning and losing showed her true character. Never would say anything good about her opponents and always had an excuse.
Kim Clijsters was classy. Treated everyone (linespeople, tourney volunteers, opponents) super nicely.
Serena is 180 degrees the opposite.
Quote from: MU1980 on March 15, 2015, 04:35:28 PM
She has always been one of my least favorite athletes by far. Just a nasty person and very much all about her. The threatening of the line judge was just one of many incidences that formed my opinion of her. Her interviews after both winning and losing showed her true character. Never would say anything good about her opponents and always had an excuse.
This is a big part why I thought it bizarre the person finds Williams to be the most inspirational in sports. From the beginning, Williams has showed no respect for her opponents (almost a passive-aggressive condescension even when thoroughly outplayed) and been far from classy and far from inspirational in her downright disregard for sportsmanship regarding the competition.
She's not a good person and there are many, many people around tennis who know it.
She inspires what not to be. Richard Williams is a bigoted, uncouth gravy trainer
Quote from: warriorchick on March 15, 2015, 10:00:08 AM
This is a great story, but sadly, I am officially done with holding up professional athletes as "inspirational". I have been let down too many times.
Michael Jordan
O.J. Simpson
Lance Armstrong
Tiger Woods
Oscar Pistorius
I hope that Serena is different, but I will still choose my inspirational role models from my real life.
Wtf? How is Michael Jordan even remotely like two murderers, a cheater and a guy who was banging Perkins waitresses in church parking lots?
Because he's divorced? The guy was married for like 20 years!
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 16, 2015, 09:13:51 AM
Wtf? How is Michael Jordan even remotely like two murderers, a cheater and a guy who was banging Perkins waitresses in church parking lots?
Because he's divorced? The guy was married for like 20 years!
Because he was a notorious cheater and a compulsive gambler. It's pretty much been established that his first "retirement" was actually a suspension for gambling.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 16, 2015, 09:19:36 AM
It's pretty much been established that his first "retirement" was actually a suspension for gambling.
No.
I, also, would not place Jordan on any type of pedestal, but that allegation is not "pretty much established."
Quote from: WI_inferiority_complexes on March 16, 2015, 09:25:19 AM
No.
I, also, would not place Jordan on any type of pedestal, but that allegation is not "pretty much established."
Fine. It is a rumor that won't go away. He was still a notorious cheater and compulsive gambler.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 16, 2015, 09:29:52 AM
Fine. It is a rumor that won't go away. He was still a notorious cheater and compulsive gambler.
Did he cheat on the basketball court? Did he take outlawed PEDs or the like?
Comparing him to someone like OJ, Pistorious, or a proven in-sport cheater and liar like Armstrong, just cause he blows millions of dollars on the golf course or in Vegas is a bit ridiculous. Jordan is an overly competitive pretty boy who likes to gamble, but he was never arrested, never got DUIs, and his biggest strike in your mind is a persistent "rumor".
Quote from: JWags85 on March 16, 2015, 09:54:17 AM
Did he cheat on the basketball court? Did he take outlawed PEDs or the like?
Comparing him to someone like OJ, Pistorious, or a proven in-sport cheater and liar like Armstrong, just cause he blows millions of dollars on the golf course or in Vegas is a bit ridiculous. Jordan is an overly competitive pretty boy who likes to gamble, but he was never arrested, never got DUIs, and his biggest strike in your mind is a persistent "rumor".
If you read my original post, all I said was I once held him up as an inspirational idol, and he disappointed me. You don't have to agree with my reasons.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 16, 2015, 09:19:36 AM
Because he was a notorious cheater and a compulsive gambler. It's pretty much been established that his first "retirement" was actually a suspension for gambling.
I can't believe any sane person believes that. His father had just been murdered! He was obviously going through a very rough spot, which is what led to his retirement.
There is no such thing as the classiest not most inspirational person in sports, or life. Just as there is no such thing as being the greatest player or team ever. Etc...
With regard to Serena Williams, as I find is often the case, a combination of things have led to her return to Indian Wells. In no particular order:
She has been getting and taking better advice on how to deal with the media in recent years. This includes a new coach for the past three years. She has gotten a little older now, having moved into her 30's. She has made a few close friends on the tour which she didn't have as much in the past. ...and more. She seems to have a greater awareness of her own actions as well as how those actions affect others. For me it is not so much about being classy and inspirational in general as it is specificially she decided to return to Indian Wells for the first time in many years. I believe all of the above and more have helped contribute to that.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 16, 2015, 09:13:51 AM
Wtf? How is Michael Jordan even remotely like two murderers, a cheater and a guy who was banging Perkins waitresses in church parking lots?
Because he's divorced? The guy was married for like 20 years!
Jordan was a notorious womanizer, a guy who had ladies in every road city. He fathered a child with at least one of them.
Now, some would say that almost is to be expected in this day and age, but I do think it probably should disqualify him as a role model.
And that's without even going into his bullying (even of his teammates), his nasty streak ... and his batting average!
Quote from: WI_inferiority_complexes on March 16, 2015, 09:25:19 AM
No.
I, also, would not place Jordan on any type of pedestal, but that allegation is not "pretty much established."
You want to ask Sam Smith about that one and get back to us?
Scary how the media can distort any situation to fit a social agenda. The crowd booed them because of unprofessional behavior during matches/pulling out of events, not because she was black.
Yeah, I saw the title to this thread and it really surprised me.
The Williams' sisters are two of the most unsportsmanlike athletes that are out there.
Quote from: WarriorInNYC on March 20, 2015, 12:02:18 PM
Yeah, I saw the title to this thread and it really surprised me.
The Williams' sisters are two of the most unsportsmanlike athletes that are out there.
How so? I can easily name 10 tennis players more unsportsmanlike, but apparently, these two are weirdly are at the top of your list. Can't imagine why.
Quote from: reinko on March 20, 2015, 12:33:13 PM
How so? I can easily name 10 tennis players more unsportsmanlike, but apparently, these two are weirdly are at the top of your list. Can't imagine why.
It's not weird for a Williams to be atop an unsportsmanlike list. Both of them have conspired to feign injury and withdraw from matches where they were paired together, whether on orders from their father when they were young or by their own cunning when they were older. It is unsportsmanlike to disrespect the competition so as to fix the match in this way.
Serena much more than Venus has a terrible disposition on the court (as evidenced by my words earlier in the thread about her violently threatening the life of a line judge who called her for a foot fault) and she is downright assholic in the post match conference when she never says a word of praise for a player who has beaten her but rather has chalked all her losses up to her "not having it that day" or her opponent "hitting every ball back like she never has before".
Don't be a clown and throw $hit like racism into this discussion. Be better than that.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on March 20, 2015, 12:45:17 PM
It's not weird for a Williams to be atop an unsportsmanlike list. Both of them have conspired to feign injury and withdraw from matches where they were paired together, whether on orders from their father when they were young or by their own cunning when they were older. It is unsportsmanlike to disrespect the competition so as to fix the match in this way.
Serena much more than Venus has a terrible disposition on the court (as evidenced by my words earlier in the thread about her violently threatening the life of a line judge who called her for a foot fault) and she is downright assholic in the post match conference when she never says a word of praise for a player who has beaten her but rather has chalked all her losses up to her "not having it that day" or her opponent "hitting every ball back like she never has before".
Don't be a clown and throw $hit like racism into this discussion. Be better than that.
Watch high level tennis and you see much of this same behavior from tennis players, but again it's the Williams sister that draw your ire. John McEnroe was revered for his badboy style, Agassi routinely berated linesman, Thomas Muster, Gerg Rusdeski, Jimmy Conners, Azarenka, Llyeton Hewitt and on and on. And yes, I would put Serena on this list too, her behavior @ times is very unsportsmanlike, I am not excusing it. But why the focus on her?
Weird.
Quote from: reinko on March 20, 2015, 12:59:14 PM
Watch high level tennis and you see much of this same behavior from tennis players, but again it's the Williams sister that draw your ire. John McEnroe was revered for his badboy style, Agassi routinely berated linesman, Thomas Muster, Gerg Rusdeski, Jimmy Conners, Azarenka, Llyeton Hewitt and on and on. And yes, I would put Serena on this list too, her behavior @ times is very unsportsmanlike, I am not excusing it. But why the focus on her?
Weird.
Perhaps because they are both a) currently active pros and b) household names. There is no one on your list to which both of these criteria apply.
I am sure there are some little a-holes in Junior Tennis who are worse then the Williams sisters as well.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 20, 2015, 01:09:17 PM
Perhaps because they are both a) currently active pros and b) household names. There is no one on your list to which both of these criteria apply.
I am sure there are some little a-holes in Junior Tennis who are worse then the Williams sisters as well.
I will buy part of that. But to deny completely that in the historically lily white sport of tennis, and the fact they are twin AA girls from Compton, CA that race has not to with how they are viewed is disingenuous @ best.
Quote from: reinko on March 20, 2015, 01:16:56 PM
I will buy part of that. But to deny completely that in the historically lily white sport of tennis, and the fact they are twin AA girls from Compton, CA that race has not to with how they are viewed is disingenuous @ best.
I recall Arthur Ashe being painted as a complete jerk as well.
If you think they are targeted based on their race, I don't see any way to interpret your comment as anything other than racist. If it were anyone else, you wouldn't hold them to a different standard. But apparently you think that of these two black athletes.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 20, 2015, 01:26:06 PM
I recall Arthur Ashe being painted as a complete jerk as well.
Billy Jean King, upset over Ashe's reluctance to take a hard stand on many social issues once said, "Don't talk to me about Arthur Ashe. Christ, I'm more black than Arthur Ashe."
I'd hate to have to be apart of group think because of my color. I guess Arthur wasn't liberal enough.
Quote from: reinko on March 20, 2015, 12:59:14 PM
Watch high level tennis and you see much of this same behavior from tennis players, but again it's the Williams sister that draw your ire. John McEnroe was revered for his badboy style, Agassi routinely berated linesman, Thomas Muster, Gerg Rusdeski, Jimmy Conners, Azarenka, Llyeton Hewitt and on and on. And yes, I would put Serena on this list too, her behavior @ times is very unsportsmanlike, I am not excusing it. But why the focus on her?
Weird.
Azarenka is a very emotional player and does complain about calls, but I don't ever recall her threatening a linesperson.
The focus in on Serena because she's exhibited this behavior for a long time now.
And the "racism" angle is ridiculous. Madison Keys and Sloane Stephens are both popular with tennis fans and among those on the tour.
Quote from: reinko on March 20, 2015, 12:59:14 PM
Watch high level tennis and you see much of this same behavior from tennis players, but again it's the Williams sister that draw your ire. John McEnroe was revered for his badboy style, Agassi routinely berated linesman, Thomas Muster, Gerg Rusdeski, Jimmy Conners, Azarenka, Llyeton Hewitt and on and on. And yes, I would put Serena on this list too, her behavior @ times is very unsportsmanlike, I am not excusing it. But why the focus on her?
Weird.
Just a total clown show you are with regard to this. The thread topic is titled on Serena Williams. That's why Serena Williams is being discussed. Weird you'd have a problem with Scoopers staying
on topic as opposed to the usual wild tangent conversations. Again, the thread title is on Serena Williams and Serena Williams is being discussed. We are on topic here.
My final point on this with regard to you is whether you are black, white, asian, mestizo, etc. if you threaten the life of an official in your sport or fake injury so as not to play an opponent or consistently refuse to praise (however much of a facade it is) an opponent to whom you've lost you very much lack sportsmanship.
When I saw the title of the OP, I thought it was something Donald Trump said.
She's never played here in New Haven. Venus has played several times and won.
Serena Williams withdrew from Indian Wells moments before she was to play Halep. She cited a knee injury suffered during practice a few days prior to last night's scheduled Semi-Final match.
Quote from: WI_inferiority_complexes on March 20, 2015, 01:33:57 PM
Billy Jean King, upset over Ashe's reluctance to take a hard stand on many social issues once said, "Don't talk to me about Arthur Ashe. Christ, I'm more black than Arthur Ashe."
Billie Jean King?? Arthur Ashe was a true gentleman. We did a project with Philip Morris in Asia so I had to go to Richmond a few times. The PM guys took me to their club, Commonwealth, which is located on the Avenue of Heroes which is a series of statues of Confederate generals. The members were in an uproar over the Arthur Ashe statue that had just gone up. (They were also upset that the club was being forced to add minority members...) I was never so embarrassed as I was to listen to that conversation.
Quote from: keefe on March 22, 2015, 12:17:37 AM
Billie Jean King?? Arthur Ashe was a true gentleman.
There was a potential boycott in the late early 70's regarding female tennis players who wanted competitive pay.
In 1970, Ashe told
Time, "Men are playing tennis for a living now. They have families, and they don't want to give up money just to have girls play. Only three or four women draw fans anyhow, so why do we have to split our money with them?"