Selection Sunday when you have no shot of getting asked to the dance..... Hopeful for next year.
True, but we've had since December to prepare.
Most frustrating season in.....ever???
Quote from: willie warrior on March 15, 2015, 07:14:03 AM
Most frustrating season in.....ever???
Last year was far more frustrating. That team should have been a Final Four contender, instead Blue goes pro, Jamil and Davante never embrace playing like senior leaders, Mayo is wildly inconsistent, and Derrick & Jake form an offensively stunted backcourt. That should have been Buzz's best team, and instead it was his worst.
This year we could see it coming. Most people's preseason best case scenario involved the NIT. I get far less frustrated when there are no expectations.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 15, 2015, 07:29:25 AM
Last year was far more frustrating. That team should have been a Final Four contender, instead Blue goes pro, Jamil and Davante never embrace playing like senior leaders, Mayo is wildly inconsistent, and Derrick & Jake form an offensively stunted backcourt. That should have been Buzz's best team, and instead it was his worst.
This year we could see it coming. Most people's preseason best case scenario involved the NIT. I get far less frustrated when there are no expectations.
Yep.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 15, 2015, 07:29:25 AM
Last year was far more frustrating. That team should have been a Final Four contender, instead Blue goes pro, Jamil and Davante never embrace playing like senior leaders, Mayo is wildly inconsistent, and Derrick & Jake form an offensively stunted backcourt. That should have been Buzz's best team, and instead it was his worst.
This year we could see it coming. Most people's preseason best case scenario involved the NIT. I get far less frustrated when there are no expectations.
Ok-- a matter of degrees. I was frustrated last year also. Interesting you blame Wilson and Gardner for not being leaders--what about Otule? A 6th year senior by the way. I blame last year not so much on those guys, but on the country bumpkin called Buzzard. What a ding dong--and he was the guy to instill the leadership--which he did not---too busy looking for his golden parachute. Mr. classless and a big phony!!!! And yet we still have the In Buzz we trust crowd piping up the hossanas.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 15, 2015, 07:29:25 AM
Last year was far more frustrating. That team should have been a Final Four contender, instead Blue goes pro, Jamil and Davante never embrace playing like senior leaders, Mayo is wildly inconsistent, and Derrick & Jake form an offensively stunted backcourt. That should have been Buzz's best team, and instead it was his worst.
This year we could see it coming. Most people's preseason best case scenario involved the NIT. I get far less frustrated when there are no expectations.
Final Four contender??? Wow, I'll have what you're smoking.
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 15, 2015, 07:42:51 AM
Final Four contender??? Wow, I'll have what you're smoking.
We were an Elite 8 team with 75% of our scoring returning and a top-10 recruiting class. Of course we were a Final Four contender.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 15, 2015, 07:57:57 AM
We were an Elite 8 team with 75% of our scoring returning and a top-10 recruiting class. Of course we were a Final Four contender.
That's insane. No serious expert was picking MU for the Final Four.
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 15, 2015, 08:06:13 AM
That's insane. No serious expert was picking MU for the Final Four.
When 2012 ended, before Blue declared? You don't think we were a Final Four contender? Are you smoking crack? Or just a Badger fan in disguise?
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 15, 2015, 08:13:47 AM
When 2012 ended, before Blue declared? You don't think we were a Final Four contender? Are you smoking crack? Or just a Badger fan in disguise?
Show me one credible expert who was saying MU was a Final Four contender. Otherwise, shut up.
Agree with Groiner. I don't recall serious commentary that MU was in the hunt for the Final Four, prior to Blue leaving.
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 15, 2015, 08:21:32 AM
Show me one credible expert who was saying MU was a Final Four contender. Otherwise, shut up.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=38054.msg483142#msg483142
ESPN article had us "trending up."
Reading Scoop from that time, many people suggested that we could build on the E8 appearance. Three top returning scorers. Big time recruiting class coming in. Only real issue was at point guard.
Now "final four contender" means a lot of things. Does that mean top 5...top 10...top 15 preseason?
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 15, 2015, 08:21:32 AM
Show me one credible expert who was saying MU was a Final Four contender. Otherwise, shut up.
Okay.
Preseason top-10: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/22036310
Preseason top-10: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9147684/very-early-top-25-2013-14-season-ncaa-men-college-basketball
Top-10 ranking, possibly best team since Wade: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/way-too-early-look-college-basketball-best-teams-084159671--ncaab.html
Top-10 ranking, best since Wade: http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/09/the-way-too-early-preseason-top-25/
Listen...I get that after two sub-par seasons, it's kind of "cool to be negative". But it doesn't make you right. Less than 2 years ago, we were an Elite 8 team that was returning its top three scorers. We had a top-10 recruiting class that included the top JUCO player in the country. I don't know what your definition of "Final Four contender" is, but if EVERY site I'm looking at says we were a top-10 team, I'm pretty sure that covers it.
Even after Blue and Jameel left, we were still ranked in the top-20 and favored to win our conference. Lunardi had us as a 4-seed in his first bracketology. And now that I've disproven your inane comments, you can shut up.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 15, 2015, 08:38:06 AM
Okay.
Preseason top-10: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/22036310
Preseason top-10: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9147684/very-early-top-25-2013-14-season-ncaa-men-college-basketball
Top-10 ranking, possibly best team since Wade: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/way-too-early-look-college-basketball-best-teams-084159671--ncaab.html
Top-10 ranking, best since Wade: http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/09/the-way-too-early-preseason-top-25/
Listen...I get that after two sub-par seasons, it's kind of "cool to be negative". But it doesn't make you right. Less than 2 years ago, we were an Elite 8 team that was returning its top three scorers. We had a top-10 recruiting class that included the top JUCO player in the country. I don't know what your definition of "Final Four contender" is, but if EVERY site I'm looking at says we were a top-10 team, I'm pretty sure that covers it.
Even after Blue and Jameel left, we were still ranked in the top-20 and favored to win our conference. Lunardi had us as a 4-seed in his first bracketology. And now that I've disproven your inane comments, you can shut up.
Boom.
It's sad, but not nearly is sad as when you think you have a shot at the Tournament, but don't make it.
And then, you don't even make the NIT.
I laughed as hard as anyone at the famous Tom Crean face, but his expression perfectly expressed how I was feeling after tourney selections last year.
(http://gamedayrcom.c.presscdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/tom-crean-face.jpeg)
That's my expression too when I've disappointed chick in some way and I hear 'Get your own damn supper!' Love ya honey. :-*
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 15, 2015, 08:13:47 AM
When 2012 ended, before Blue declared? You don't think we were a Final Four contender? Are you smoking crack? Or just a Badger fan in disguise?
Ding ding ding
Dukiet history, very little to be hopeful for, unlike today. Lowest of lows.
With Blue in the mix, Final Four contender is a fair assessment. Final Four favorite, that's a different story.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 15, 2015, 07:57:57 AM
We were an Elite 8 team with 75% of our scoring returning and a top-10 recruiting class. Of course we were a Final Four contender.
We were 1 second away from being 1 and done as well and Davidson crapped the bed. Crapshoot. It is a very thin line.
Sorry but with Blue that was not Buzz best team.
It was evident right away that Derrick was not a good enough PG. The loss of Junior was huge.
Of course Blue staying mean Jake leaves so that's a huge positive.
The Jae/DJO team was far more talented though.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 15, 2015, 10:55:03 AMWe were 1 second away from being 1 and done as well and Davidson crapped the bed. Crapshoot. It is a very thin line.
Changes none of what I said. We did make the Elite 8, virtually every pundit had is as a top 10 team -- I looked at another 6-7 rankings, all but one had us top 10. We were absolutely a Final Four contender in the eyes of most every national outlet and expert.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on March 15, 2015, 10:58:46 AM
Sorry but with Blue that was not Buzz best team.
It was evident right away that Derrick was not a good enough PG. The loss of Junior was huge.
Of course Blue staying mean Jake leaves so that's a huge positive.
The Jae/DJO team was far more talented though.
Blue would have started at PG and Derrick would have been a backup. I really think that would have been Buzz' best team.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 15, 2015, 11:26:59 AM
Blue would have started at PG and Derrick would have been a backup. I really think that would have been Buzz' best team.
Yup. Blue would have slid to the 1 like Buycks did when Junior wasn't ready. Jake would have transferred, giving us a primary backcourt of Van and Mayo. In a perfect world, Jamil, Otule, and McKay start with Davante, Duane, and Derrick off the bench.
It all ended up a disaster, but on March 30, 2012, we had the look of a contender.
Y'all just need to man up. It ain't an entitlement program. Ya get what ya earn, hey?
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 15, 2015, 11:04:13 AM
Changes none of what I said. We did make the Elite 8, virtually every pundit had is as a top 10 team -- I looked at another 6-7 rankings, all but one had us top 10. We were absolutely a Final Four contender in the eyes of most every national outlet and expert.
Those same experts had us winning the Big East last year.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 15, 2015, 12:47:56 PM
Those same experts had us winning the Big East last year.
That's my point ?-(
Are you trying to disagree just to be contrarian?
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 15, 2015, 12:50:21 PM
That's my point ?-(
Are you trying to disagree just to be contrarian?
I'm not sure it proves your point...those experts picked MU to win the Big East last year AFTER Vander left.
"experts" make lots of predictions in the preseason or after the postseason for next year. Aside from a handful of teams that a blind woman in Nova Scotia could also identify, the experts are wildly wrong. Half the preseason top 25 doesn't finish there, while some don't even make the tournament.
I absolutely agree that Vander coming back would have been huge for the program, but he listened to a lot of the wrong people and made an incredibly stupid decision. It is what it is.
Many times this year, I thought "what the hell are we doing out there?" I feel the same about your, umm, argument (?) right now. Has no bearing on what I'm saying. Color me confused.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 15, 2015, 11:42:06 AM
Yup. Blue would have slid to the 1 like Buycks did when Junior wasn't ready. Jake would have transferred, giving us a primary backcourt of Van and Mayo. In a perfect world, Jamil, Otule, and McKay start with Davante, Duane, and Derrick off the bench.
It all ended up a disaster, but on March 30, 2012, we had the look of a contender.
Dare I say...Hiroshima?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 15, 2015, 12:53:25 PM
"experts" make lots of predictions in the preseason or after the postseason for next year. Aside from a handful of teams that a blind woman in Nova Scotia could also identify, the experts are wildly wrong. Half the preseason top 25 doesn't finish there, while some don't even make the tournament.
I absolutely agree that Vander coming back would have been huge for the program, but he listened to a lot of the wrong people and made an incredibly stupid decision. It is what it is.
Stupid decision for...who?
Given that Vander still hasn't made it to the NBA and his profession is to literally play basketball rather than having to also spend time in the classroom, in study halls, etc., I'm guessing Vander wouldn't have been drafted after his senior season, either. In fact, pay attention to how many seniors get drafted in the NBA Draft. It isn't many. So he started earning money 1 year earlier than he would've had he come back. "Incredibly stupid decision?" Glad you know the details of his personal life and all that led to him making that decision.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 15, 2015, 10:55:03 AM
We were 1 second away from being 1 and done as well and Davidson crapped the bed. Crapshoot. It is a very thin line.
If you consider scoring 7 points in 4 possessions (1.75 points per possession) on 3-4 from the line, 1-1 from the field, and 1 turnover over the last 1:10 of the game (when Marquette came back from 6 down) to be "crapping the bed" then you're right. If they scored at that rate throughout the entire game they would've scored 240 points. So, yeah, I guess they crapped the bed.
It's okay to admit that Marquette stepped up and took the game. We all know you don't like Bert. A lot of us here don't. But it's cool to give his teams credit when they deserve it. Davidson played extremely well down the stretch of that game. Marquette simply played better. But you know that already. Just don't want to publicly admit it.
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 15, 2015, 08:21:32 AM
Show me one credible expert who was saying MU was a Final Four contender. Otherwise, shut up.
Found one other guy that thought Marquette was returning a top-10 team at the time. Not sure if you consider him credible or not...
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 29, 2013, 11:10:53 AM
Buzz is going to walk away from a preseason top 10 team—with a top 10 recruiting class coming in??? All for the honor of dealing with the insane expectations and pressure at UCLA?
Sorry, just not seeing it.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 15, 2015, 11:42:06 AM
Yup. Blue would have slid to the 1 like Buycks did when Junior wasn't ready. Jake would have transferred, giving us a primary backcourt of Van and Mayo. In a perfect world, Jamil, Otule, and McKay start with Davante, Duane, and Derrick off the bench.
It all ended up a disaster, but on March 30, 2012, we had the look of a contender.
+1,000
And, arguably, at that time we were the better program compared to Becky. Especially because no one knew Kaminsky was going to blow up the way he has.
What makes today tolerable is the notion that brighter days are ahead.
We have a great class coming in. Wojo isn't done and our holdovers have promise.
We can contend next year for an NCAA spot.
T Minus 365 days and counting.
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 15, 2015, 01:26:43 PM
What makes today tolerable is the notion that brighter days are ahead.
We have a great class coming in. Wojo isn't done and our holdovers have promise.
We can contend next year for an NCAA spot.
T Minus 365 days and counting.
+1. (Although it won't be exactly 365 days, because March 15, 2016 won't be a Sunday ;) )
Quote from: wadesworld on March 15, 2015, 01:05:39 PM
Stupid decision for...who?
Given that Vander still hasn't made it to the NBA and his profession is to literally play basketball rather than having to also spend time in the classroom, in study halls, etc., I'm guessing Vander wouldn't have been drafted after his senior season, either. In fact, pay attention to how many seniors get drafted in the NBA Draft. It isn't many. So he started earning money 1 year earlier than he would've had he come back. "Incredibly stupid decision?" Glad you know the details of his personal life and all that led to him making that decision.
If he would have stayed, he would have been drafted and likely given a contract. I hope it works out for him, but the GM's were right, Draft Express was right....he listened to the wrong people.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 15, 2015, 12:59:30 PM
Many times this year, I thought "what the hell are we doing out there?" I feel the same about your, umm, argument (?) right now. Has no bearing on what I'm saying. Color me confused.
My point was the experts that said we were a top 10 team and Final Four contender are the same experts that said MU would win the Big East even after Blue left. The experts aren't that good at figuring this stuff out.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 15, 2015, 02:01:59 PM
My point was the experts that said we were a top 10 team and Final Four contender are the same experts that said MU would win the Big East even after Blue left. The experts aren't that good at figuring this stuff out.
Which has nothing at all to do with the discussion at hand.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 15, 2015, 02:00:40 PM
If he would have stayed, he would have been drafted and likely given a contract. I hope it works out for him, but the GM's were right, Draft Express was right....he listened to the wrong people.
Disagreed. I would be shocked if Vander developed more by staying in school and being required to spend time in classrooms and study halls than he did playing professional basketball and focusing solely on basketball and developing as a basketball player. Vander may have been drafted in the 2nd round, which means no guaranteed contract, and he would've been 1 year behind in being paid to play the sport he plays. Seniors aren't typically drooled about by NBA GMs, especially guards who can't shoot. That's what Vander would've been, as he still is a guard who can't shoot.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 15, 2015, 01:15:48 PM
If you consider scoring 7 points in 4 possessions (1.75 points per possession) on 3-4 from the line, 1-1 from the field, and 1 turnover over the last 1:10 of the game (when Marquette came back from 6 down) to be "crapping the bed" then you're right. If they scored at that rate throughout the entire game they would've scored 240 points. So, yeah, I guess they crapped the bed.
It's okay to admit that Marquette stepped up and took the game. We all know you don't like Bert. A lot of us here don't. But it's cool to give his teams credit when they deserve it. Davidson played extremely well down the stretch of that game. Marquette simply played better. But you know that already. Just don't want to publicly admit it.
"we're lucky to still be standing" - Buzz Williams
Davidson crapped the bed. Type the word choke Davidson Marquette into Google.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 15, 2015, 02:04:27 PM
Disagreed. I would be shocked if Vander developed more by staying in school and being required to spend time in classrooms and study halls than he did playing professional basketball and focusing solely on basketball and developing as a basketball player. Vander may have been drafted in the 2nd round, which means no guaranteed contract, and he would've been 1 year behind in being paid to play the sport he plays. Seniors aren't typically drooled about by NBA GMs, especially guards who can't shoot. That's what Vander would've been, as he still is a guard who can't shoot.
He would have had to stay in the classroom for one more semester and could have totally blown off the second semester.
There is a reason why every GM but one said stay in school. He would have been the key cog on a quality team (assuming Buzz didn't unnatural carnal knowledge it up) and that alone would have put way more GMs on his side for consideration.
He could have shown his PG traits as well. It was a dumb decision, and the people in the know....those pesky GMs....said stay in school. He didn't listen.
SMH
How many times do we have to have the "tourney is a crapshoot" and "Davidson choked" discussion? CBB, we know where you stand on this because you've posted it about 400 times. Unless you changed where you stand on either of those, no need to rehash either again.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 15, 2015, 02:56:18 PM
SMH
How many times do we have to have the "tourney is a crapshoot" and "Davidson choked" discussion? CBB, we know where you stand on this because you've posted it about 400 times. Unless you changed where you stand on either of those, no need to rehash either again.
Right. And he changes the subject to make the same points repeatedly.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 15, 2015, 01:05:39 PM
Stupid decision for...who?
Given that Vander still hasn't made it to the NBA and his profession is to literally play basketball rather than having to also spend time in the classroom, in study halls, etc., I'm guessing Vander wouldn't have been drafted after his senior season, either. In fact, pay attention to how many seniors get drafted in the NBA Draft. It isn't many. So he started earning money 1 year earlier than he would've had he come back. "Incredibly stupid decision?" Glad you know the details of his personal life and all that led to him making that decision.
Vander made the NBA.
A lot of people are making a $h!tload of money on the road to the National Crapshoot.
Quote from: Nukem2 on March 15, 2015, 03:33:03 PM
10 day contract = cup of coffee.
Yes, but it is still factually correct to say he made the NBA.
Staying in college another year would not have changed anything IMO. (Outside of being closer to his degree.)
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 15, 2015, 03:34:50 PM
Yes, but it is still factually correct to say he made the NBA.
Staying in college another year would not have changed anything IMO. (Outside of being closer to his degree.)
Yes. So are his 5 points and 3 rebounds in 3 games. :)
Quote from: Nukem2 on March 15, 2015, 03:33:03 PM
10 day contract = cup of coffee.
Still made 85,000 off that 10 day that's a lot more then if he would've stayed in college.
Quote from: zrjones13 on March 15, 2015, 03:41:31 PM
Still made 85,000 off that 10 day that's a lot more then if he would've stayed in college.
You are assuming he wouldn't have made any money in the NBA if he had stayed in college. He might have made more.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 15, 2015, 03:44:31 PM
You are assuming he wouldn't have made any money in the NBA if he had stayed in college. He might have made more.
He wouldn't have made more last year that is 100% sure. If he would've come back he would have made 0 dollars last year.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 15, 2015, 02:45:51 PM
"we're lucky to still be standing" - Buzz Williams
Davidson crapped the bed. Type the word choke Davidson Marquette into Google.
So perception is that Davidson choked. That's not the reality. We were lucky to still be standing but not because Davidson choked.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 15, 2015, 03:44:31 PM
You are assuming he wouldn't have made any money in the NBA if he had stayed in college. He might have made more.
And he made more than 85,000 that was just for the 10 days in the NBA
And he's getting, what, 30,000 in the D league? So last year he made 115,000 before we add in Europe. That's a lot of money
Quote from: zrjones13 on March 15, 2015, 03:56:40 PM
He wouldn't have made more last year that is 100% sure. If he would've come back he would have made 0 dollars last year.
I meant over the course of a career.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 15, 2015, 02:45:51 PM
"we're lucky to still be standing" - Buzz Williams
That's the Hillbilly's false modesty. How many times did we hear that crap out of his mouth that "we're so humbled to be here," or garbage like that.
WE ARE MARQUETTE. There's a lot of things we are, but humble isn't one of them.
Lucky generally isn't something we are either. We're we lucky to hit the shots against Davidson?
Were we not lucky to have Matt Carlino's foot microscopically over the 3pt line so we lost to Georgetown?
Were we not lucky to have the Hillbilly up and leave and take his toys with him because Marquette refused to make the President of the University accountable to the Head Basketball Coach?
Luck happens when everything else goes right. We had some gamers the year we went to the Elite 8.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 15, 2015, 02:00:40 PM
If he would have stayed, he would have been drafted and likely given a contract. I hope it works out for him, but the GM's were right, Draft Express was right....he listened to the wrong people.
I'm still not sure I understand this line of thinking. If he was the same player after his senior season as he was after his junior season, why would he have been drafted? Is the assumption that he would have gotten better with the extra year in school?
Back to Selection Sunday...this is a hell of a game between Bucky and Sparty.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 15, 2015, 04:24:13 PM
Back to Selection Sunday...this is a hell of a game between Bucky and Sparty.
Bucky has had some lucky calls along with some bad TOs by Sparty...
Quote from: Nukem2 on March 15, 2015, 04:31:49 PM
Bucky has had some lucky calls along with some bad TOs by Sparty...
That blatant missed out of bounds play could determine the last 1 seed.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 15, 2015, 04:33:19 PM
That blatant missed out of bounds play could determine the last 1 seed.
Could that have been reviewed?
You gotta give Boski or someone on his staff kudos, most of there guys get better like Koenig.
Wisconsin now pulling away in OT. Cannot stand Ryan, but a damn good coach. And isn't Izzo something? Seems like every year he gets his team ready at tourney time!! What a stud!
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 15, 2015, 04:34:47 PM
Could that have been reviewed?
I think so, but since they let them play on and the possession ended in a shooting foul, it must have slipped under the radar. Probably shouldn't have considering how huge the possession was. MSU choked in OT though, no points, ouch! Bucky should get a 1 seed now.
FUB
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 15, 2015, 04:34:47 PM
Could that have been reviewed?
Yes. Refs should have reviewed it at the dead ball or Izzo could have requested it. Baffling.
Kansas v. WSU is going to be great.
Butler v. ND! Big matchups!
Thought Notre Dame had a legit Final Four shot. Now I'm thinking they'll be lucky to see the Sweet 16. Pretty good avenue for Butler to make the second weekend, though Texas has a lot of talent.
Nova with second overall #1
5 Indiana schools in the same bracket. Crazy
Did MU beat any team in the tournament?
UNI gets robbed...take em over Rick.
Virginia is a 2, UW is a 1.
And Crean is in with a 10 seed...
Quote from: MUFlutieEffect on March 15, 2015, 05:15:40 PM
And Crean is in with a 10 seed...
Yeah, it was mentioned. Thanks for making sure you measured his dick today though.
Badgers...lamest group of dudes.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 15, 2015, 11:26:59 AM
Blue would have started at PG and Derrick would have been a backup. I really think that would have been Buzz' best team.
Derrick is a backup, except at MU---some think he is the best player on the team---some even wish he could return next year for another year of futility. I am guessing that Henry would tear him a new one if he did not receive the ball constantly.
JPT v. Badgers, there's were Bo goes home.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 15, 2015, 05:32:31 PM
Derrick is a backup, except at MU---some think he is the best player on the team---some even wish he could return next year for another year of futility. I am guessing that Henry would tear him a new one if he did not receive the ball constantly.
Did you have a point to this comment?
Colorado State screwed. UCLA somehow got in.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 15, 2015, 05:40:30 PM
Colorado State screwed. UCLA somehow got in.
UCLA and Indiana did not deserve to be in. Colorado State and Temple should have been safely in the tournament.
Wichita State was screwed.
Also, Doug Gottlieb is a moron.
So, how do you think the BIGE does in the Tourny?
Did I count correctly? I think the AAC only got one team in.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 15, 2015, 05:48:13 PM
Did I count correctly? I think the AAC only got one team in.
SMU and Cincinnati.
Quote from: forgetful on March 15, 2015, 05:41:51 PM
UCLA and Indiana did not deserve to be in. Colorado State and Temple should have been safely in the tournament.
Wichita State was screwed.
Also, Doug Gottlieb is a moron.
I'm just curious, if IU didn't deserve to be in, then why is Wichita State screwed since they get to play a team that didn't deserve to be in? Plus, assuming WSU wins, they play what I would call is the 2nd weakest 2 seed in KU?
Doug Gottlieb has always been a moron.
I was feeling very confident IU was in for quite some time. Jerry Palm had them in there and he's a Purdue guy. Soft bubble.
Let the crapshoot begin.
Quote from: forgetful on March 15, 2015, 05:41:51 PM
UCLA and Indiana did not deserve to be in. Colorado State and Temple should have been safely in the tournament.
Wichita State was screwed.
Also, Doug Gottlieb is a moron.
UCLA deserved to get in. Crean got in because I4.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 15, 2015, 05:39:14 PM
Did you have a point to this comment?
Yeah---I guess it is tough for low info guys---Derrick is a backup--except at MU where he gets max minutes. Take that as the point!!! Not too hard to figure out!!
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 15, 2015, 05:54:22 PM
I'm just curious, if IU didn't deserve to be in, then why is Wichita State screwed since they get to play a team that didn't deserve to be in? Plus, assuming WSU wins, they play what I would call is the 2nd weakest 2 seed in KU?
Doug Gottlieb has always been a moron.
I was feeling very confident IU was in for quite some time. Jerry Palm had them in there and he's a Purdue guy. Soft bubble.
Let the crapshoot begin.
Wichita State is ranked 12th in the nation. They got a 7 seed. They should have been on the 3/4 line.
Indiana's RPI is 61. They are 3-6 in their last 9. Best out of conference win. SMU
Temple's RPI is 34. They are 6-3 in their last 9. Best out of conference win. Kansas
Quote from: forgetful on March 15, 2015, 05:41:51 PM
UCLA and Indiana did not deserve to be in. Colorado State and Temple should have been safely in the tournament.
Wichita State was screwed.
Also, Doug Gottlieb is a moron.
The chairman said Wyoming stole Temple's bid.
Is it my paranoia or was there virutally no love for Nova? Ppl saying theyre the weakest 1 seed, etc. I think it was Gottlieb who said 'sure Nova has a lot of wins, but those came from within the conference'. Gottlieb also shat on X and Gtown as well, saying both are overseeded.
Quote from: forgetful on March 15, 2015, 05:41:51 PM
UCLA and Indiana did not deserve to be in. Colorado State and Temple should have been safely in the tournament.
Wichita State was screwed.
Also, Doug Gottlieb is a moron.
I'm not a big believer in RPI but some (Chico) insist it's the most important number to the committee. UCLA was in the 50s, Indiana was 60. Temple and CSU were 30 and 34. To put that in perspective, Temple was 29 spots behind Kentucky and 30 ahead of Indiana. Is there any doubt that the names on the front of their jerseys got the Bruins and Hoosiers in?
Quote from: forgetful on March 15, 2015, 06:02:33 PM
Wichita State is ranked 12th in the nation. They got a 7 seed. They should have been on the 3/4 line.
Indiana's RPI is 61. They are 3-6 in their last 9. Best out of conference win. SMU
Temple's RPI is 34. They are 6-3 in their last 9. Best out of conference win. Kansas
AP rankings don't mean anything to me....a bunch of journalists that can't remember last week, let alone what happened all year long. In my view you are looking at the seed line for WSU and saying they got screwed without looking at who they are playing. That's much more important. WSU has a good chance to go to the Sweet 16 with that draw. Put another way, WSU certainly could have been a 4 or 5 seed, but had a more difficult road.
I'm not sure why I keep reading here that ND got screwed. Butler isn't that good, ND has a very good shot to get to the Sweet 16. G'Town, they aren't going to like playing Eastern Washington.
For the record, I think Temple should be in, but there are others I would have booted first before the ones you booted.
Quote from: Eldon on March 15, 2015, 06:03:02 PM
The chairman said Wyoming stole Temple's bid.
Is it my paranoia or was there virutally no love for Nova? Ppl saying theyre the weakest 1 seed, etc. I think it was Gottlieb who said 'sure Nova has a lot of wins, but those came from within the conference'. Gottlieb also shat on X and Gtown as well, saying both are overseeded.
Gottlieb has been ripping the conference all year long, so this is his way of validating to himself his ripping.
That being said, G'Town has a tough first game, Nova a very tough second game, same for Butler, etc.
Would it surprise me one bit to have only one Big East team or two go to the second game? Not in the least.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 15, 2015, 06:11:36 PM
AP rankings don't mean anything to me....a bunch of journalists that can't remember last week, let alone what happened all year long. In my view you are looking at the seed line for WSU and saying they got screwed without looking at who they are playing. That's much more important. WSU has a good chance to go to the Sweet 16 with that draw. Put another way, WSU certainly could have been a 4 or 5 seed, but had a more difficult road.
I'm not sure why I keep reading here that ND got screwed. Butler isn't that good, ND has a very good shot to get to the Sweet 16. G'Town, they aren't going to like playing Eastern Washington.
For the record, I think Temple should be in, but there are others I would have booted first before the ones you booted.
What about the coaches?
Quote from: forgetful on March 15, 2015, 06:32:43 PM
What about the coaches?
Coaches polls for basketball are even worse. When I worked in the MU athletic department I actually saw how the voting by coaches was done first hand. Yikes. Yeah, the head coach did it and spent all of 45 seconds doing it.
Rick Majerus also got caught in the cookie jar at times, having an assistant coach vote Temple #10 despite being 6-12. Coaches are so busy, they don't have time to truly know what is going on and vote properly. They don't spend time staying up late to see who is playing in late Pac 12 games, etc. It's a charade.
http://articles.philly.com/2002-02-02/sports/25332826_1_utah-coach-rick-majerus-voting-usa-today
DG is an idiot, his show is awful.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 15, 2015, 05:59:46 PM
Yeah---I guess it is tough for low info guys---Derrick is a backup--except at MU where he gets max minutes. Take that as the point!!! Not too hard to figure out!!
So you took time on a thread about selection Sunday and used it as a chance to take a shot at our program and one of our players. Got it
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 15, 2015, 08:54:56 PM
So you took time on a thread about selection Sunday and used it as a chance to take a shot at our program and one of our players. Got it
Not only that, a player that is done.
Quote from: MUFlutieEffect on March 15, 2015, 05:15:40 PM
And Crean is in with a 10 seed...
That is BS.
31 teams made it with 10 or more losses. How did Ok. State make it at 18-13??
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 15, 2015, 08:54:56 PM
So you took time on a thread about selection Sunday and used it as a chance to take a shot at our program and one of our players. Got it
I tell it like it is. Unlike you who does take time out to spread lunacy at many chances. If criticism is taking a shot, then give everybody a gold star and let's all sing happiness and kumbaya. Unfortunately, that is not the real world, nor is it feasible.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 16, 2015, 08:31:50 AM
That is BS.
31 teams made it with 10 or more losses. How did Ok. State make it at 18-13??
Three top-10 wins, 9 of their losses were against top-25 teams.
Though actually, for RPI purposes, they were 17-13. One of their games was against a non-D1 school, so it didn't count.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 16, 2015, 08:21:07 AM
Not only that, a player that is done.
Yes Sultan, he is done. But My post was in response to another that stated that Derrick was a backup--which even you have recognized in the past. So I guess a number of people have stated that, so call them out also, including yourself, to at least prove you are consistent.
Crean's won 4 games since the beginnin' of February. Some things never change, hey?
Quote from: willie warrior on March 16, 2015, 08:35:13 AM
I tell it like it is. Unlike you who does take time out to spread lunacy at many chances. If criticism is taking a shot, then give everybody a gold star and let's all sing happiness and kumbaya. Unfortunately, that is not the real world, nor is it feasible.
By all means, criticize when appropriate. It just seems odd that we are talking about something that has nothing to do with Derrick or Wojo but you still feel the need to criticize. It's kind of...well...Ners-like
Davidson didn't choke. MU took it from them. Chico's needs it to be otherwise to buttress his tourney is a crapshoot line. It can be. But in the Davidson, it was more like reverting to the norm in a really big hurry. Davidson scored 7 points in the last 70 seconds and didn't win. They didn't lose the game, MU won it.
To the OP, yeah, it is tough to even want to fill out a bracket this year. Finally, Blue and McKay on the 13-14 team makes it a serious contender.
Quote from: tower912 on March 16, 2015, 11:44:13 AM
Davidson didn't choke. MU took it from them.
I tend to agree with Chico's more than most on this board., but I firmly agree with this, Tower. Davidson made one turnover down the stretch, but we basically just made every shot we had to make to close out the game.
Quote from: CTWarrior on March 16, 2015, 12:00:05 PM
I tend to agree with Chico's more than most on this board., but I firmly agree with this, Tower. Davidson made one turnover down the stretch, but we basically just made every shot we had to make to close out the game.
You guys are both right. Chicos makes it out to be like Davidson crapped the bed similar to us blowing that huge lead against Louisville.
SVP destroying the big east seeds on espn radio. Said committee feel in love with the conference
So now beating up on the Big East is in vogue among all the as*holes in Bristol? God, who cares? So glad I avoid ESPN and sports radio. I get to avoid all this meaningless crap. These endless "debates" which are nothing more than boring time filler because everything operates 24/7.
Life is too short and sports just ain't that critical.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 16, 2015, 12:10:39 PM
SVP destroying the big east seeds on espn radio. Said committee feel in love with the conference
Not surprising, he was irked by Maryland and Georgetown's respective seedings.
I'd argue GU/X were a line or two higher than they should have been.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 15, 2015, 08:38:06 AM
Okay.
Preseason top-10: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/22036310
Preseason top-10: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9147684/very-early-top-25-2013-14-season-ncaa-men-college-basketball
Top-10 ranking, possibly best team since Wade: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/way-too-early-look-college-basketball-best-teams-084159671--ncaab.html
Top-10 ranking, best since Wade: http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/09/the-way-too-early-preseason-top-25/
Listen...I get that after two sub-par seasons, it's kind of "cool to be negative". But it doesn't make you right. Less than 2 years ago, we were an Elite 8 team that was returning its top three scorers. We had a top-10 recruiting class that included the top JUCO player in the country. I don't know what your definition of "Final Four contender" is, but if EVERY site I'm looking at says we were a top-10 team, I'm pretty sure that covers it.
Even after Blue and Jameel left, we were still ranked in the top-20 and favored to win our conference. Lunardi had us as a 4-seed in his first bracketology. And now that I've disproven your inane comments, you can shut up.
So basically, two polls said we should have been elite eight repeaters, and two more thought we were only sweet 16.
I think its a stretch to translate those rankings as being proof that others thought we "should have been a Final Four contender" as you claimed.
Outside shot at making a final four? Sure, maybe. But nobody actually picked us as a final four contender.
Any team that is ranked in the pre-season top 20 is a legitimate contender to be in the Final Four.
Quote from: tower912 on March 16, 2015, 11:44:13 AM
Davidson didn't choke. MU took it from them. Chico's needs it to be otherwise to buttress his tourney is a crapshoot line. It can be. But in the Davidson, it was more like reverting to the norm in a really big hurry. Davidson scored 7 points in the last 70 seconds and didn't win. They didn't lose the game, MU won it.
To the OP, yeah, it is tough to even want to fill out a bracket this year. Finally, Blue and McKay on the 13-14 team makes it a serious contender.
Well, most of America doesn't agree with you on that game. That's ok, most of America has been wrong at times. Davidson choking and the crapshoot have nothing to do with each other. They just didn't perform like they should have to win the game. MU was very much part of making that happen, that's always the case with a choke. You tighten up because of what the other team is doing. I'm glad they did, it made for a nice run and good memories for MU. Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good, as Buzz would say. That was absolutely the case there.
What does what 'most of America' thinks about the MU-Davidson game from 2 years ago have to do with anything? And how much of 'most of America' even watched it? Those who watched the game know that Davidson made one mistake in the last 70 seconds. They made their shots, made their free throws. MU just beat them.
Before this thread veers too far off topic, I just want to reiterate: Doug Gottlieb is a moron.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 16, 2015, 01:38:40 PM
Any team that is ranked in the pre-season top 20 is a legitimate contender to be in the Final Four.
Broad definition....sounds like how some people might define crapshoot.
Quote from: tower912 on March 16, 2015, 01:58:11 PM
What does what 'most of America' thinks about the MU-Davidson game from 2 years ago have to do with anything? And how much of 'most of America' even watched it? Those who watched the game know that Davidson made one mistake in the last 70 seconds. They made their shots, made their free throws. MU just beat them.
Actually, they made a number of mistakes, some of which MU made possible, some because they just made them. Happens. Including missing a free throw with 70 seconds left.
A game is made up of many plays, not just one. If the only thing that can beat you is 3's, you defend 3's. Huge mistake by them. Make your free throws. Don't throw the ball away at the end of the game. Don't shoot 64% from the line when the team's average was 80% that year, etc, etc. I guess MU's free throw percentage defense did the trick. LOL
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 16, 2015, 02:09:00 PM
Actually, they made a number of mistakes, some of which MU made possible, some because they just made them. Happens. Including missing a free throw with 70 seconds left.
A game is made up of many plays, not just one. If the only thing that can beat you is 3's, you defend 3's. Huge mistake by them. Make your free throws. Don't throw the ball away at the end of the game. Don't shoot 64% from the line when the team's average was 80% that year, etc, etc. I guess MU's free throw percentage defense did the trick. LOL
Davidson scored 5 points during Marquette's comeback which spanned the final 4 possessions. That comes out to 1.25 PPP. To put that in perspective, the best offense in the country this year (Notre Dame) scored 1.188 PPP. If that's a choke then I'm misunderstanding the definition of the word.
Gottlieb has always been a Big East hater. I remember when it was Miami vs MU in the sweet 16 and he just smirked and said Miami by a sizable margin. Didnt really say anything post game after the whipping we gave them.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 16, 2015, 02:01:17 PM
Before this thread veers too far off topic, I just want to reiterate: Doug Gottlieb is a moron.
Yep, total tool. Just seems like a dickhead too. His hate for the BE is silly, when conferences virtually all of the "Power 5" conferences have several horrible teams.
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on March 16, 2015, 03:44:18 PM
Davidson scored 5 points during Marquette's comeback which spanned the final 4 possessions. That comes out to 1.25 PPP. To put that in perspective, the best offense in the country this year (Notre Dame) scored 1.188 PPP. If that's a choke then I'm misunderstanding the definition of the word.
100% correct. This has been pointed out to Chico on numerous occasions. He's not interested in facts, only in denigrating MU teams from 2009-2014 as much as possible. Just another iteration of his "choking dogs pee themselves" rant.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 15, 2015, 10:55:03 AM
We were 1 second away from being 1 and done as well and Davidson crapped the bed. Crapshoot. It is a very thin line.
The yang to the yin that was the 2013 NCAA Tournament results. In the 1977 tournament, Marquette won a one point game and a two point game on the way to the 8 point victory in the final. In hindsight, the true precariousness of a result can easily be lost amid excitement over the final result.
Crean sucks
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 16, 2015, 10:04:57 AM
By all means, criticize when appropriate. It just seems odd that we are talking about something that has nothing to do with Derrick or Wojo but you still feel the need to criticize. It's kind of...well...Ners-like
And you feel the need to keep shooting your mouth off. Change your on line name to TAMU the Gum Flapper. To the ignore button.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 16, 2015, 05:37:22 PM
And you feel the need to keep shooting your mouth off. Change your on line name to TAMU the Gum Flapper. To the ignore button.
I thought you were above name calling?
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on March 16, 2015, 03:44:18 PM
Davidson scored 5 points during Marquette's comeback which spanned the final 4 possessions. That comes out to 1.25 PPP. To put that in perspective, the best offense in the country this year (Notre Dame) scored 1.188 PPP. If that's a choke then I'm misunderstanding the definition of the word.
MU's FT % defense was one of the best I had ever seen. Holding an 80% free throw shooting team to 64%...the way we stood in the blocks on the lane with our hands up was incredible. The scowls, the hairy pits and the posture really screwed with Davidson's free throw shooters.
You are equating 4 possessions to a game average? I remember seeing a QB start a game 2 for 2 in passing at 100%, thus they are truly outperforming the game average of QB that completes 70%. :)
Quote from: LittleWade on March 16, 2015, 04:23:51 PM
The yang to the yin that was the 2013 NCAA Tournament results. In the 1977 tournament, Marquette won a one point game and a two point game on the way to the 8 point victory in the final. In hindsight, the true precariousness of a result can easily be lost amid excitement over the final result.
Yup. Anything can happen...just ask Al McGuire about that team.