This should be interesting.
Voluntarily or asked to leave? Or doesn't it matter?
Shaka to DePaul.
Wouldn't mind see Billy Garrett Jr move 90 miles north because of this move. Not saying it has any chance, but wish it would.
Quote from: Litehouse on March 14, 2015, 03:06:07 PM
Voluntarily or asked to leave? Or doesn't it matter?
He resigned, but I doubt it was voluntary.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 14, 2015, 03:08:11 PM
Wouldn't mind see Billy Garrett Jr move 90 miles north because of this move. Not saying it has any chance, but wish it would.
He can't anyway. No inter-conference transfers in BE.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 14, 2015, 03:08:45 PM
He can't anyway. No inter-conference transfers in BE.
Oh yeah, shoot. Thanks for raining on my hopes! :D
Ben Howland
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 14, 2015, 03:10:43 PM
Oh yeah, shoot. Thanks for raining on my hopes! :D
Archie Miller seems like a logical candidate with what he's done at Dayton.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 14, 2015, 03:16:13 PM
Ben Howland
That seems to be the early name out there. I have no doubts that a lot of DePaul people would think "another old retread." But much more successful than the last two.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on March 14, 2015, 03:17:55 PM
Archie Miller seems like a logical candidate with what he's done at Dayton.
I wouldn't take the DePaul gig if I were him.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 14, 2015, 03:18:03 PM
That seems to be the early name out there. I have no doubts that a lot of DePaul people would think "another old retread." But much more successful than the last two.
Howland will be the early name for almost every major job opening mainly because he's unemployed (as a coach), and taking away his last couple years at UCLA, a lot of success. I don't get why he remains unemployed.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 14, 2015, 03:16:13 PM
Ben Howland
I think DePaul needs a coach to get people down there enthused and excited about Blue Demon basketball again, because it's been sorely lacking for a long time down there. Howland's a no nonsense guy, I don't see him getting anyone excited. And it's going to take at least 2-3 years to get that program winning again. I'm thinking they go young and energetic with their next coach.
Crean to DePaul
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 14, 2015, 03:24:48 PM
Crean to DePaul
Crean to move in with one of the Harbaughs!! Take your pick.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 14, 2015, 03:30:17 PM
Crean to move in with one of the Harbaughs!! Take your pick.
Thought he already bunked with a Harbaugh. Joani kick him out?
Is the lovely Jean Lenti-Ponsetto next to go at DePaul.
Given the state of the program, she should be.
Not sure who would want that job. Not really a good spot for a young coach given the history. Would someone like Wardle even consider?
Has a woman ever coached a major D1 basketball team?
Quote from: jsglow on March 14, 2015, 03:39:41 PM
Not sure who would want that job. Not really a good spot for a young coach given the history. Would someone like Wardle even consider?
I think DePaul has a lot of pluses - the most obvious of which is having a boatload of high D-1 talent every year in your own backyard. Then throw in a program with a lot of tradition (although gone the last 20 years), Big East affiliation, and now a new arena in a couple of seasons. The fan, student, and alumni base seems to need a lot of work, but winning again consistently would cure that. But it's an attractive opening still IMO.
And if I were Wardle, if DePaul came calling, I would jump at it in a minute. ( I don't think they will, Wardle's got to get that program in an NCAA tourney or two first before the bigger schools come knocking on his door.)
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 14, 2015, 03:41:30 PM
Has a woman ever coached a major D1 basketball team?
Pat Summit was offered the head coaching job for Tennessee's men's team, but she turned it down.
Unless JLP is removed as well, there isn't reason for optimism. This coach will probably be a stepping stone for the NEXT coach when that arena opens. That's how small DePaul thinks of its mens basketball program.
I HOPE they get a big name. The Big East needs DePaul to be competitive again.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on March 14, 2015, 03:50:38 PM
I HOPE they get a big name. The Big East needs DePaul to be competitive again.
They've tried hiring away head coaches, maybe not exactly big names per se, but it's failed for them time and again. If I'm DePaul, I look at our success hiring assistants, and look seriously at a few of the hot shot top assistants out there. You know there's guys out there ready for their opportunity.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 14, 2015, 03:53:38 PM
They've tried hiring away head coaches, maybe not exactly big names per se, but it's failed for them time and again. If I'm DePaul, I look at our success hiring assistants, and look seriously at a few of the hot shot top assistants out there. You know there's guys out there ready for their opportunity.
you mean 'take a cue from their conference foe 90 miles north'?
It's gotta be another duke assistant coach, scheyer?
His best year and he is gone. The lesson is, if you are going to win only 6 conference games, do not win them at the start of conference. It gets the fans excited and than crushed.
Ty Corbin, Mark Aguirre, Rod Strickland.
Doug Bruno
They shouldn't have hired JLP, they're in a jam with her husband being a former star player and her being a former Depaul athlete as well.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 14, 2015, 03:36:09 PM
Thought he already bunked with a Harbaugh. Joani kick him out?
Joani ain't paying the freight, although she has the vise clamp on Crean's manhood.
They need one particular thing in a coach-a guy who can recruit Chicago.
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 14, 2015, 03:37:25 PM
Is the lovely Jean Lenti-Ponsetto next to go at DePaul.
Given the state of the program, she should be.
Last I checked their board of trustees was creating fake awards to give her to try to trick people into thinking she is competent at her job.
Quote from: brandx on March 14, 2015, 05:10:04 PM
They need one particular thing in a coach-a guy who can recruit Chicago.
How about Jeff Capel, he was involved in Parker and Oakafor recruiting. We could have our own triangle with in 90 miles, MU NU DP.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 14, 2015, 03:41:30 PM
Has a woman ever coached a major D1 basketball team?
I4 was a panty-waste, does that count? a'ina?
Dan Muller could be an interesting fit.
Resigned today. Let the rumors start to fly...
Or just post in the other thread on the front page with the exact same title... ;)
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=46929.0
Crean to DePaul!!!
But seriously....in two years where will Crean end up? He has spent his entire career in the Midwest. Those bridges have been burnt down. What is the ideal program for Crean once he gets fired/resigned after next year?
Tom Kleinschmidt
Quote from: jsglow on March 14, 2015, 03:39:41 PM
Not sure who would want that job. Not really a good spot for a young coach given the history. Would someone like Wardle even consider?
Wardle would jump at it!
Quote from: Skitch on March 14, 2015, 06:42:22 PM
Tom Kleinschmidt
Can have the cake and eat it too
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/YwJDTsAcR0k/hqdefault.jpg)
Quote from: LittleWade on March 14, 2015, 06:45:12 PM
Wardle would jump at it!
But why would DePaul want Wardle?
Quote from: brandx on March 14, 2015, 05:10:04 PM
They need one particular thing in a coach-a guy who can recruit Chicago.
...because the recruiting budget doesn't allow for out of town recruiting.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 14, 2015, 06:47:52 PM
But why would DePaul want Wardle?
I was responding to jsglow asking if Wardle would "even consider" it.
Quote from: bilsu on March 14, 2015, 04:22:56 PM
His best year and he is gone. The lesson is, if you are going to win only 6 conference games, do not win them at the start of conference. It gets the fans excited and than crushed.
People's exhibit B: Kevin Willard (maybe 12 months early)
Quote from: Atticus on March 14, 2015, 06:41:42 PM
Crean to DePaul!!!
But seriously....in two years where will Crean end up? He has spent his entire career in the Midwest. Those bridges have been burnt down. What is the ideal program for Crean once he gets fired/resigned after next year?
I thought he was already fired
5 4 3 2 1 years ago....I read the inevitable news here, thought for sure it already happened.
I predict the sun will be around tomorrow.
I predict we will all die
I predict Tom Crean will not finish his career at IU, nor will Wojo at MU, nor will Buzz at Va Tech, etc, etc.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 14, 2015, 07:06:20 PM
I thought he was already fired 5 4 3 2 1 years ago....I read the inevitable news here, thought for sure it already happened.
I predict the sun will be around tomorrow.
I predict we will all die
I predict Tom Crean will not finish his career at IU, nor will Wojo at MU, nor will Buzz at Va Tech, etc, etc.
I predict Crean will not sail off into the sunset after Indiana.
My original question....where is the likely fit?
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on March 14, 2015, 04:39:18 PM
They shouldn't have hired JLP, they're in a jam with her husband being a former star player and her being a former Depaul athlete as well.
That's a joke. Joe Ponsetto isn't calling shots on De Paul's AD. That's like saying Marquette hired their AD because of Gary Rosenberger.
If anything, their AD's maiden name is more influential, but that's got.nothing to do with it either.
I think Crean to DePaul is a great fit. I think back to Kevin O'Neill saying that leaving Marquette was a mistake and wonder if Crean might feel the same. Indiana thinks it's still a blue blood, in reality they probably aren't even a top 20 program anymore. 1 Final Four in 20 years, 2 Big 10 titles (One was Crean), no championship since 1987. Yet their fans seem to think they are another Duke or Kentucky. They're maybe the fifth or sixth best program in their conference.
Unrealistic expectations have to be getting old. Two Sweet 16s is darn good. With all the criticism, maybe Crean thinks leaving MU, where he could have stayed forever as long as he usually made the tourney and gave us the occasional second weekend run. And he might see DePaul, a Catholic school in an urban area with men's basketball as the major sport, as his second chance at what he had here.
Crean is great at the rebuild and knows how to energize a fanbase, both of which DePaul needs. It's a fertile recruiting ground and close to areas where he has his recruiting connections. Negotiate a smaller buyout, get a program more his speed, let IU move on, seems a perfect fit for all involved.
Which of course means DePaul would never do it.
DePaul should pay for Fred Hoiberg. He's absolutely perfect for that job. Crean would be an awful hire and I'm not saying that because I think he's the devil incarnate.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on March 14, 2015, 03:50:38 PM
The Big East needs DePaul to be competitive again.
Does it really?
Hoiberg isn't going to DePaul. Cmon...
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 14, 2015, 08:15:52 PM
Hoiberg isn't going to DePaul. Cmon...
No, but Hoiberg is probably going to Chicago...
+1 lets get Crean back in the fold
Bobby Hurley has been mentioned a lot today for DePaul. He just earned the MAC's NCAA bid with Buffalo. Germantown standout Lamonte Bearden helping his cause. I think he'd be a better fit at Seton Hall, but DePaul could target Hurley once Buffalo is done dancing.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 14, 2015, 08:16:30 PM
No, but Hoiberg is probably going to Chicago...
You think the Bulls are.going to hire another Iowa State coach?
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 14, 2015, 08:46:48 PM
You think the Bulls are.going to hire another Iowa State coach?
I do, as long as they don't draft another Marcus Fizer.
Quote from: tommyc6 on March 14, 2015, 08:13:09 PM
Does it really?
Yes, it does. We want to be in the best basketball conference possible, period. We can't accomplish that with a program that won 15 Big East games in 5 years. It also goes without saying that a competitive team in Chicago would only add to the national prestige and following of the conference.
I'm all for beating DePaul twice a year, but you can't have a team entering Big East play with a losing non-conference record.
DePaul getting better again is good for the Big East and good for Marquette.
Eh, someone in the conference has to suck. Might as well be DePaul.
I don't hear Big Ten fans saying "The Big Ten needs Rutgers to be competitive." As long as the conference is placing a bunch of teams in the tournament, including a #1 seed, DePaul can be as sucky as they want to be.
Oliver Purnell resigns as men's basketball coach at DePaul
By Paul Skrbina
Chicago Tribune
March 14, 2015 8:58PM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-depaul-oliver-purnell-story.html
Oliver Purnell said last week he had "every intention" of returning as DePaul men's basketball coach next season.
But Saturday, Purnell resigned after posting a 54-105 overall record and going 15-65 in the Big East in five seasons.
"It is my best interest and my family's best interest to resign as head coach of the DePaul basketball program," Purnell said in a statement. "We made progress here and improved with the talent and character of our student-athletes.
"DePaul provided complete support and is fully committed to its basketball program with its budget, the on-campus facilities and in the future with the new events center."
DePaul's season ended Wednesday with a 78-63 loss to Creighton in the first round of the Big East Tournament at Madison Square Garden. The Blue Demons were 12-20 overall and 6-12 in the conference, with their seventh-place finish marking the first year they didn't finish last since 2007-08. But DePaul lost its final eight games and 11 of its last 12.
"We would like to thank Oliver for his time at DePaul," athletic director Jean Lenti Ponsetto said in a statement. "He moved the program forward with the building of the roster. We are grateful to Coach Purnell for turning a corner in DePaul recruiting. We are clearly a stronger program because of his leadership."
Purnell, whose seven-year contract paid him a reported $2.2 million per year, said last week that DePaul's administration had been "nothing but supportive" of him.
"I wouldn't say I feel any pressure internally, but I do feel pressure I put on myself every year, every team," he said.
DePaul is Purnell's fifth coaching stop in 27 years, and he is 0-6 in the NCAA tournament. DePaul last reached the tournament in 2004. Its 12 victories tied for the most in a season since he took over in 2010. DePaul's six conference victories doubled Purnell's previous high.
ESPN college basketball analyst Seth Greenberg, a longtime Division I head coach, said the program has to have a profile in Chicago to succeed.
"You have to develop a persona, an identity," he said. "In college basketball, the coach has to be as big or bigger than the program. When you walk into a room with business leaders or a gym (with recruits), are you memorable?"
DePaul sophomore Billy Garrett Jr., whose father, Billy Garrett Sr., is an assistant, said last week the criticism directed at Purnell hasn't been entirely fair.
"The program is starting to change," he said. "Some places it might take a little longer. He has changed the program around everywhere he has been. The numbers don't lie. His track record doesn't lie.
"From the outside, it's easy to coach a team."
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 14, 2015, 09:16:05 PM
Eh, someone in the conference has to suck. Might as well be DePaul.
I don't hear Big Ten fans saying "The Big Ten needs Rutgers to be competitive." As long as the conference is placing a bunch of teams in the tournament, including a #1 seed, DePaul can be as sucky as they want to be.
But the Big Ten isn't trying to (re)market itself as an elite basketball conference. The Big Ten has power programs in football, basketball, baseball, lacrosse and now hockey. The Big East's initial (and original) plan for marketing the league was promoting the very best basketball in the country, with all of the schools having a clear emphasis on basketball.
I love the attention and production from Fox, but, if anyone has looked it up, the ratings for Fox aren't so hot. It was definitely to be expected (with it being a new channel and all), but having a competitive team in Chicago could only help the league. If the Big East is still getting low ratings in 10 years, Fox won't be giving us the same amount of money on our next contract.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on March 14, 2015, 09:24:02 PM
But the Big Ten isn't trying to (re)market itself as an elite basketball conference. The Big Ten has power programs in football, basketball, baseball, lacrosse and now hockey. The Big East's initial (and original) plan for marketing the league was promoting the very best basketball in the country, with all of the schools having a clear emphasis on basketball.
I love the attention and production from Fox, but, if anyone has looked it up, the ratings for Fox aren't so hot. It was definitely to be expected (with it being a new channel and all), but having a competitive team in Chicago could only help the league. If the Big East is still getting low ratings in 10 years, Fox won't be giving us the same amount of money on our next contract.
FS1 is adding Saturday baseball. They already have football. They are on their way to becoming a powerhouse sports network like ESPN.
BE (and don't forget PAC-12) basketball will enjoy this increased exposure in the coming years.
Reading that article, I don't believe a word Purnell or JLP say. Nothing there is true.
As far as DePaul being good, someone has to lose. If you want 6-7 bids, that means 6-7 teams need to win 9-15 games in league, and 3-4 teams need to lose 11+ games. DePaul can be one of those every year. Will only help the rest of the league, as well as our recruiting in Chicago.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 14, 2015, 09:36:04 PM
Reading that article, I don't believe a word Purnell or JLP say. Nothing there is true.
If Purnell voluntarily resigns, he does not get the rest of his contract. If he is fired, he continues to get paid.
He says he resigned. He is saying he will forego his contract. Therefore, I believe him.
Quote from: Heisenberg on March 14, 2015, 09:42:14 PM
If Purnell voluntarily resigns, he does not get the rest of his contract. If he is fired, he continues to get paid.
He says he resigned. He is saying he will forego his contract. Therefore, I believe him.
They undoubtedly negotiated a buy out.
First I must admit that I have no inside information.
But TC to DePaul seems impossible for two reasons. 1. It's a big step down for TC who has too big of an ego to step down. 2. DePaul would never pay what he wants to get paid.
Hurley is not a midwest guy... that would be a stretch.
Howland seems to be poison and is unemployed for a reason.
But, what about Kevin O'Neill? He's been hanging around the Big East all year, knows the league, knows the area, can recruit anywhere, and seems to have mellowed a bit. I could see him really making something out of the program.
I also would like to see DePaul be good again because I want Marquette to have a true rivalry in the new big east, and the closest school seems the likely candidate.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 14, 2015, 03:21:36 PM
Howland will be the early name for almost every major job opening mainly because he's unemployed (as a coach), and taking away his last couple years at UCLA, a lot of success. I don't get why he remains unemployed.
Squirmy.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 14, 2015, 03:21:36 PM
Howland will be the early name for almost every major job opening mainly because he's unemployed (as a coach), and taking away his last couple years at UCLA, a lot of success. I don't get why he remains unemployed.
Read this: http://www.si.com/more-sports/2012/02/29/ucla
Exposed a lot of Howland's program, including how he allowed Matt Carlino to be terrorized during his brief spell in Westwood. Of course there is debate about the different sides of the story, but it sure seems like Howland may as well have sewn a red "A" on his suit.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 14, 2015, 10:29:02 PM
Read this: http://www.si.com/more-sports/2012/02/29/ucla
Exposed a lot of Howland's program, including how he allowed Matt Carlino to be terrorized during his brief spell in Westwood. Of course there is debate about the different sides of the story, but it sure seems like Howland may as well have sewn a red "A" on his suit.
All's I know is I'm glad my alma mater passed on him, and seemingly did so very quickly.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on March 14, 2015, 09:24:02 PM
But the Big Ten isn't trying to (re)market itself as an elite basketball conference. The Big Ten has power programs in football, basketball, baseball, lacrosse and now hockey. The Big East's initial (and original) plan for marketing the league was promoting the very best basketball in the country, with all of the schools having a clear emphasis on basketball.
I love the attention and production from Fox, but, if anyone has looked it up, the ratings for Fox aren't so hot. It was definitely to be expected (with it being a new channel and all), but having a competitive team in Chicago could only help the league. If the Big East is still getting low ratings in 10 years, Fox won't be giving us the same amount of money on our next contract.
A consistently decent DePaul team makes it harder for Marquette to recruit in Chicago.
I am fine with the status quo that DePaul is the conference drunk that sobers up about once every ten years.
I don't think a relevant DePaul attracts enough extra eyeballs in Chicago to move the needle on foreseeable future TV contracts.
I'd rather keep the Blue Demon=loser stigma in the minds of kids at Simeon and Farragut and Brother Rice and Lane Tech.
Quote from: barfolomew on March 15, 2015, 12:01:39 AM
A consistently decent DePaul team makes it harder for Marquette to recruit in Chicago.
I am fine with the status quo that DePaul is the conference drunk that sobers up about once every ten years.
I don't think a relevant DePaul attracts enough extra eyeballs in Chicago to move the needle on foreseeable future TV contracts.
I'd rather keep the Blue Demon=loser stigma in the minds of kids at Simeon and Farragut and Brother Rice and Lane Tech.
Does Duke being good hurt North Carolina? Michigan hurt Ohio State? Louisville hurt Kentucky? Does Wisconsin hurt us?
The answer in all cases is no. In fact a good rivalry helps a program. A decent DePaul would benefit us.
Lastly, Why do you think Wisconsin high school basketball is all of a sudden producing great talent? From the 1980s to about five years ago Wisconsin high school basketball was wasteland that produced the occasional gem. But in the last five years we see Jamil Wilson, Tokoto, Looney, Duane Wilson, Burton, McKay, Koenig, Dekker, Noskawiak, Ellenson, Stone, Cohen.
Could these kids, and these programs, have been inspired by the last 10+ years of good MU and Bucky basketball? Restated is Bucky being good help MU and visa versa? Yes! See the state of Indiana and all the talent they produce at the high school level. Having IU, Butler, ND and Purdue all in the same state helps all.
Marquette should hire Oliver Purnell as an assistant. Wainwright did wonders for MU bigs. Probably no elite 8 without Wainwright.
Quote from: Heisenberg on March 15, 2015, 07:31:04 AM
Does Duke being good hurt North Carolina? Michigan hurt Ohio State? Does Wisconsin hurt us?
The answer in all cases is no. In fact a good rivalry helps a program. A decent DePaul would benefit us.
It would take DePaul getting monumentally better to allow us to have a rivalry with them on that level. But if a decent DePaul would benefit, why has it never benefited us before? Ray Meyer's rise at DePaul coincided with Al's departure and Marquette's decline in the late 70s/early 80s. When did DePaul start to fall off? The early 90s, about the same time Kevin O'Neill made Marquette relevant again.
Enter Mike Deane, who had early success, and Pat Kennedy, who had early struggles. In three of Deane's four 20 win seasons, DePaul had a losing record. Then as Deane's team clunked in 98-99 and Crean took over with some struggles in 99-00, Kennedy had his two best years in Chicago. Crean's team got better as Kennedy's got worse. Dave Leitao took over and his two most successful seasons were the seasons Marquette went to the NIT. Since the Amigos arrived, DePaul has collapsed. Wainright had one 20-win season while Purnell was a disaster.
Then we come to this year. Marquette has their worst record since Bob Dukiet and Purnell has his most successful season at DePaul.
I get the thoughts of why we should be able to have a good rivalry with DePaul. But seriously, line the two teams' records up over the past 30 years and you'll see that for whatever reason, it just doesn't work. DePaul's ups and Marquette's downs and vice versa line up nearly perfectly. There were a few early years under Hank that both teams were pretty good, but DePaul pulled away as they managed to snag recruits like Terry Cummings and Mark Aguirre that would have ended up at Marquette.
In theory, a rivalry with them should work. In reality, it hasn't been the case for the better part of three decades and counting.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 15, 2015, 07:55:34 AM
It would take DePaul getting monumentally better to allow us to have a rivalry with them on that level. But if a decent DePaul would benefit, why has it never benefited us before? Ray Meyer's rise at DePaul coincided with Al's departure and Marquette's decline in the late 70s/early 80s. When did DePaul start to fall off? The early 90s, about the same time Kevin O'Neill made Marquette relevant again.
Enter Mike Deane, who had early success, and Pat Kennedy, who had early struggles. In three of Deane's four 20 win seasons, DePaul had a losing record. Then as Deane's team clunked in 98-99 and Crean took over with some struggles in 99-00, Kennedy had his two best years in Chicago. Crean's team got better as Kennedy's got worse. Dave Leitao took over and his two most successful seasons were the seasons Marquette went to the NIT. Since the Amigos arrived, DePaul has collapsed. Wainright had one 20-win season while Purnell was a disaster.
Then we come to this year. Marquette has their worst record since Bob Dukiet and Purnell has his most successful season at DePaul.
I get the thoughts of why we should be able to have a good rivalry with DePaul. But seriously, line the two teams' records up over the past 30 years and you'll see that for whatever reason, it just doesn't work. DePaul's ups and Marquette's downs and vice versa line up nearly perfectly. There were a few early years under Hank that both teams were pretty good, but DePaul pulled away as they managed to snag recruits like Terry Cummings and Mark Aguirre that would have ended up at Marquette.
In theory, a rivalry with them should work. In reality, it hasn't been the case for the better part of three decades and counting.
The problem has been DePaul basketball has been monumentaily mismanaged.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 15, 2015, 07:55:34 AM
It would take DePaul getting monumentally better to allow us to have a rivalry with them on that level. But if a decent DePaul would benefit, why has it never benefited us before? Ray Meyer's rise at DePaul coincided with Al's departure and Marquette's decline in the late 70s/early 80s. When did DePaul start to fall off? The early 90s, about the same time Kevin O'Neill made Marquette relevant again.
Enter Mike Deane, who had early success, and Pat Kennedy, who had early struggles. In three of Deane's four 20 win seasons, DePaul had a losing record. Then as Deane's team clunked in 98-99 and Crean took over with some struggles in 99-00, Kennedy had his two best years in Chicago. Crean's team got better as Kennedy's got worse. Dave Leitao took over and his two most successful seasons were the seasons Marquette went to the NIT. Since the Amigos arrived, DePaul has collapsed. Wainright had one 20-win season while Purnell was a disaster.
Then we come to this year. Marquette has their worst record since Bob Dukiet and Purnell has his most successful season at DePaul.
I get the thoughts of why we should be able to have a good rivalry with DePaul. But seriously, line the two teams' records up over the past 30 years and you'll see that for whatever reason, it just doesn't work. DePaul's ups and Marquette's downs and vice versa line up nearly perfectly. There were a few early years under Hank that both teams were pretty good, but DePaul pulled away as they managed to snag recruits like Terry Cummings and Mark Aguirre that would have ended up at Marquette.
In theory, a rivalry with them should work. In reality, it hasn't been the case for the better part of three decades and counting.
I think that is coincidence more than anything. Marquette and DePaul can both be good at the same time. It's not as though Marquette is highly dependent on Chicago for recruits. Since McNeal, I believe the only recruit Marquette has pulled out of Chicago has been Steve Taylor.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 14, 2015, 03:21:36 PM
Howland will be the early name for almost every major job opening mainly because he's unemployed (as a coach), and taking away his last couple years at UCLA, a lot of success. I don't get why he remains unemployed.
Doesn't pass the sniff test. There's some rotten skeletons in his closet
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 14, 2015, 09:36:04 PM
Reading that article, I don't believe a word Purnell or JLP say. Nothing there is true.
As far as DePaul being good, someone has to lose. If you want 6-7 bids, that means 6-7 teams need to win 9-15 games in league, and 3-4 teams need to lose 11+ games. DePaul can be one of those every year. Will only help the rest of the league, as well as our recruiting in Chicago.
I do agree, but given that Chicago is our second largest media market, I think it would be good for the league from an exposure standpoint if they started winning. Depaul can bring a lot more eyeballs than Creighton can. But that will only happen if they win.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 15, 2015, 08:00:49 AMI think that is coincidence more than anything. Marquette and DePaul can both be good at the same time. It's not as though Marquette is highly dependent on Chicago for recruits. Since McNeal, I believe the only recruit Marquette has pulled out of Chicago has been Steve Taylor.
It probably is. I'm more pointing out that there's no evidence a good DePaul is good for us. I think the two are more likely mutually exclusive. We can be good with or without a successful DePaul.
But comparing the two side by side is really interesting. Honestly a bit baffling how we've almost never been good at the same time over the past 30+ years.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 15, 2015, 10:51:00 AM
It probably is. I'm more pointing out that there's no evidence a good DePaul is good for us. I think the two are more likely mutually exclusive. We can be good with or without a successful DePaul.
But comparing the two side by side is really interesting. Honestly a bit baffling how we've almost never been good at the same time over the past 30+ years.
A good DePaul is probably neither directly good or bad for Marquette. As has been pointed, the two schools rarely recruit the same players, and there's no evidence having a competitive program nearby is detrimental elsewhere (i.e. Duke-UNC, Maryland-Georgetown, Kentucky-Louisville).
But I do think a good DePaul is good for the Big East. As has been mentioned, it's the conference's second-largest market and DePaul is the largest Catholic school in the U.S., with tons of alumni across the country. MU, and the entire Big East, would benefit from them at least not sucking.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 15, 2015, 10:51:00 AM
It probably is. I'm more pointing out that there's no evidence a good DePaul is good for us. I think the two are more likely mutually exclusive. We can be good with or without a successful DePaul.
But comparing the two side by side is really interesting. Honestly a bit baffling how we've almost never been good at the same time over the past 30+ years.
There is no causality between DePaul's success and MU's struggles, or vice versa. Other than a very good run from 1978 - 1992, DePaul has generally been mediocre to lousy on the hardwood (a few outliers aside) -- the Blue Demons' historic struggles are largely self-inflicted, owed to a consistent lack of institutional commitment.
Quote from: Heisenberg on March 14, 2015, 09:42:14 PM
If Purnell voluntarily resigns, he does not get the rest of his contract. If he is fired, he continues to get paid.
He says he resigned. He is saying he will forego his contract. Therefore, I believe him.
WRONG
It's probably a negotiated settlement.
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 15, 2015, 01:33:10 PM
WRONG
It's probably a negotiated settlement.
This reads like it was Purnell's idea to leave (and yes, you can also read it as he was pushed into take a buy-out)
Oliver Purnell said last week he had "every intention" of returning as DePaul men's basketball coach next season.
But Saturday, Purnell resigned after posting a 54-105 overall record and going 15-65 in the Big East in five seasons.
"It is my best interest and my family's best interest to resign as head coach of the DePaul basketball program," Purnell said in a statement. "We made progress here and improved with the talent and character of our student-athletes.
"DePaul provided complete support and is fully committed to its basketball program with its budget, the on-campus facilities and in the future with the new events center."
Of course it does. Because they negotiated a buyout. What would he say, "they told me they would either fire me or let me leave worth dignity and I chose the latter?"
No way I believe for one second this was his idea.
So if Purnell was bought out, he's free to take another job right now. So, does Loyola, UIC, Chicago State, NIU, Etc. hire him in the next few weeks and use his Depaul bought recruiting inroads to improve their programs?
How about Collins hiring him as an assistant at Northwestern to help him get more quality Chicago kids?
Wouldn't surprise me if part of the buyout included him not going to a nearby school or taking recruits. I'm sure the option to work again right away while pocketing a healthy chunk of change (that won't go away if he's on someone else's payroll) was what led him to agree to leave.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 14, 2015, 08:41:33 PM
Bobby Hurley has been mentioned a lot today for DePaul. He just earned the MAC's NCAA bid with Buffalo. Germantown standout Lamonte Bearden helping his cause. I think he'd be a better fit at Seton Hall, but DePaul could target Hurley once Buffalo is done dancing.
This is the name that immediately comes to mind. Possibly even get a two-fer with brother Danny.
Quote from: forgetful on March 15, 2015, 03:28:10 PM
This is the name that immediately comes to mind. Possibly even get a two-fer with brother Danny.
Bobby used to be an assistant on Danny's staff. Danny is the more experienced coach, but is in a more difficult conference right now.
Danny won't be an assistant for Bobby. Danny might actually be the better option.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 15, 2015, 10:51:00 AM
It probably is. I'm more pointing out that there's no evidence a good DePaul is good for us.
How about being able to sell out our arena when we play DePaul at home, because their fans would travel up to Milwaukee to see the game?
If there's any school that needs to be very good year in and year out to bring more exposure to the conference it's Georgetown, not DePaul.
As Judge Smails said so eloquently, "The world needs ditch diggers too."
Quote from: warriorchick on March 15, 2015, 03:34:16 PM
How about being able to sell out our arena when we play DePaul at home, because their fans would travel up to Milwaukee to see the game?
That's the last thing I would ever care about. I'd rather have a top program that draws attendance on its own merits. If we need DePaul fans to drive up from Chicago to fill the seats, we have far bigger issues.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 15, 2015, 04:05:39 PM
That's the last thing I would ever care about. I'd rather have a top program that draws attendance on its own merits. If we need DePaul fans to drive up from Chicago to fill the seats, we have far bigger issues.
We don't sell out now except for one or two games per year. So are you saying that if we don't sell out every single game on our own, we suck?
Quote from: warriorchick on March 15, 2015, 04:07:40 PM
We don't sell out now except for one or two games per year. So are you saying that if we don't sell out every single game on our own, we suck?
No. I'm saying that relying on a good DePaul program to sell tickets would be preposterous. Not remotely worth mentioning or considering.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 15, 2015, 04:17:36 PM
No. I'm saying that relying on a good DePaul program to sell tickets would be preposterous. Not remotely worth mentioning or considering.
You said that a good DePaul team would not benefit Marquette. I just provided one way it would. I never said it was a life-changing benefit.
Calipari to DePaul
And Anthony Grant, who was thought by many (including myself) years ago following Crean departure, to be a great candidate for MU job, canned by Alabama.
Quote from: nyg on March 15, 2015, 04:49:31 PM
And Anthony Grant, who was thought by many (including myself) years ago following Crean departure, to be a great candidate for MU job, canned by Alabama.
Buzz to Alabama
Many years ago when Buzz got hired, I wanted (Archie?) Miller of Dayton.
Quote from: Earl Tatum on March 15, 2015, 05:14:51 PM
Many years ago when Buzz got hired, I wanted (Archie?) Miller of Dayton.
Good thing you were wrong.
Quote from: Earl Tatum on March 15, 2015, 05:14:51 PM
Many years ago when Buzz got hired, I wanted (Archie?) Miller of Dayton.
When Buzz was hired in 2008, Archie Miller was a third assistant at Ohio State, not even a second assistant.
Quote from: PandTandMand... on March 15, 2015, 05:04:21 PM
Crean to Kentucky
Buzz to IU
There is no way that Ky. would take Crean. When Cal gets run out of town with the NCAA nipping at
his heels, Ky. will go after another high profile guy that has no scruples? Wonder who that could be? Alford?
Ryan will be retired, so it would have to be Alford, or somebody that I cannot think of right now.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 15, 2015, 05:28:11 PM
There is no way that Ky. would take Crean. When Cal gets run out of town with the NCAA nipping at
his heels, Ky. will go after another high profile guy that has no scruples? Wonder who that could be? Alford?
Ryan will be retired, so it would have to be Alford, or somebody that I cannot think of right now.
Hmmmm.... Buzz fits the low scruples description, but he is not high profile enough.
Quote from: Earl Tatum on March 15, 2015, 05:14:51 PM
Many years ago when Buzz got hired, I wanted (Archie?) Miller of Dayton.
I imagine you mean Sean Miller, who MU wanted as well. He wasn't interested.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 15, 2015, 05:28:11 PM
There is no way that Ky. would take Crean. When Cal gets run out of town with the NCAA nipping at
his heels, Ky. will go after another high profile guy that has no scruples? Wonder who that could be? Alford?
Ryan will be retired, so it would have to be Alford, or somebody that I cannot think of right now.
I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic. UK is not going to take Crean, and after IU went down the road with Sampson they aren't going to step in the cesspool with Buzz.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 15, 2015, 05:33:43 PM
I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic. UK is not going to take Crean, and after IU went down the road with Sampson they aren't going to step in the cesspool with Buzz.
Don't bother explaining it to him, Chics.
Chicos you're right, I jumped the gun.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 15, 2015, 03:33:58 PM
Bobby used to be an assistant on Danny's staff. Danny is the more experienced coach, but is in a more difficult conference right now.
Danny won't be an assistant for Bobby. Danny might actually be the better option.
Good point. You think they could get a Danny (HC), Bobby (assistant)?
Quote from: forgetful on March 15, 2015, 09:22:45 PM
Good point. You think they could get a Danny (HC), Bobby (assistant)?
No. Why would Bobby leave a head coaching gig where he made the tournament to be an assistant at DePaul? Both will be high major coaches soon.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 16, 2015, 08:19:55 AM
No. Why would Bobby leave a head coaching gig where he made the tournament to be an assistant at DePaul? Both will be high major coaches soon.
Plus, Bobby needs the money that being a head coach brings. The ponies let him down.
They contacted Craig Robinson...hahahahaha...Craig Robinson. Oh DePaul, why are you so DePaul?
Can't imagine they'll hire him, but if so, that is totally just bowing down to the CPL coaches by going for a city native. The guy has never done better than the CBI. For the right team, the CBI is a good thing, but you don't keep going back there as though it's an accomplishment.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 16, 2015, 08:41:23 AM
They contacted Craig Robinson...hahahahaha...Craig Robinson. Oh DePaul, why are you so DePaul?
Can't imagine they'll hire him, but if so, that is totally just bowing down to the CPL coaches by going for a city native. The guy has never done better than the CBI. For the right team, the CBI is a good thing, but you don't keep going back there as though it's an accomplishment.
He didn't even play or coach in the CPL though. This may simply be a nod to some people to show they run a thorough search. I can't imagine they would think this is a good hire.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 16, 2015, 08:41:23 AM
They contacted Craig Robinson...hahahahaha...Craig Robinson. Oh DePaul, why are you so DePaul?
Can't imagine they'll hire him, but if so, that is totally just bowing down to the CPL coaches by going for a city native. The guy has never done better than the CBI. For the right team, the CBI is a good thing, but you don't keep going back there as though it's an accomplishment.
Maybe Michelle asked them to, afterall she's back home in Chicago next year
Bruce Pearl to Depaul.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 15, 2015, 05:33:43 PM
I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic. UK is not going to take Crean, and after IU went down the road with Sampson they aren't going to step in the cesspool with Buzz.
Not when Crean is creating a nice cesspool all on his own.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 16, 2015, 09:36:52 AM
Maybe Michelle asked them to, afterall she's back home in Chicago next year
Sigh. We can always count on you to slip something political into every post. We get it. You're conservative and hate Obama.
Next.
And Paul Hewitt gets canned from George Mason. What a fall from his Georgia Tech days, just couldn't get it done once Mason went to the A-10.
Quote from: tower912 on March 16, 2015, 02:41:59 PM
Not when Crean is creating a nice cesspool all on his own.
Maybe IU will bring Buzz in to clean up TC's cesspool. WaPost sources at MU say Buzz wasn't just clean, he was "squeaky clean". Nobody's ever said that about the tanned one.
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 14, 2015, 09:16:05 PM
Eh, someone in the conference has to suck. Might as well be DePaul.
I don't hear Big Ten fans saying "The Big Ten needs Rutgers to be competitive." As long as the conference is placing a bunch of teams in the tournament, including a #1 seed, DePaul can be as sucky as they want to be.
Fans, no, but its a good bet that Delaney is saying it, particularly after talking to TV people.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 16, 2015, 08:41:23 AM
They contacted Craig Robinson...hahahahaha...Craig Robinson. Oh DePaul, why are you so DePaul?
Can't imagine they'll hire him, but if so, that is totally just bowing down to the CPL coaches by going for a city native. The guy has never done better than the CBI. For the right team, the CBI is a good thing, but you don't keep going back there as though it's an accomplishment.
I think it would be an excellent hire.
Pam's former fiance Roy would obviously be an assistant coach.
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRKbzxkSjDdAITJEPOnSlmBarOBu84ZDaXSux2Tj3XYfmh2mkOhEw)
Quote from: barfolomew on March 16, 2015, 04:58:40 PM
I think it would be an excellent hire.
Pam's former fiance Roy would obviously be an assistant coach.
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRKbzxkSjDdAITJEPOnSlmBarOBu84ZDaXSux2Tj3XYfmh2mkOhEw)
He is from Chicago.
(http://www.entertainmentordie.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/office.jpg)
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 16, 2015, 08:41:23 AM
They contacted Craig Robinson...hahahahaha...Craig Robinson. Oh DePaul, why are you so DePaul?
Can't imagine they'll hire him, but if so, that is totally just bowing down to the CPL coaches by going for a city native. The guy has never done better than the CBI. For the right team, the CBI is a good thing, but you don't keep going back there as though it's an accomplishment.
Joke if you want, but I bet Craig Robinson wouldn't bitch about the men's program being second fiddle to the women's team.
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 16, 2015, 02:45:14 PM
Sigh. We can always count on you to slip something political into every post. We get it. You're conservative and hate Obama.
Next.
I didn't mention him at all, nor do I hate the man. Michelle is Craig Robinson's sister. Powerful family, resides in Chicago and will be moving back to the area next year.
So is this really true, they've reached out to Craig Robinson?!? ROFL!!!!
Just when I thought DePaul couldn't look more ridiculous and being run by rank amateurs....
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 16, 2015, 08:41:23 AM
They contacted Craig Robinson...hahahahaha...Craig Robinson. Oh DePaul, why are you so DePaul?
Where is this being reported? I did a couple of quick searches and didn't find anything.
First place it popped up:
@coaching_rumors: Craig Robinson has been contacted by DePaul intermediaries in regards to their open HC position.
Seen it a few other places since.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 16, 2015, 10:17:01 PM
First place it popped up:
@coaching_rumors: Craig Robinson has been contacted by DePaul intermediaries in regards to their open HC position.
Seen it a few other places since.
What a joke. They'd be better off re hiring Wainwright.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 17, 2015, 08:29:27 AM
What a joke. They'd be better off re hiring Wainwright.
Agreed. If you're going to go the retread route, you could at least look at a successful retread. Robinson's greatest accomplishment is winning the CBI. And yeah...that team finished 18-18. And yes, that's AFTER they won the tournament. You go, DePaul.
Despite DePaul's best attempts, they have to eventually make a good decision regarding their men's basketball program at some point, right? Right? RIGHT??!! ::)
Quote from: nyg on March 16, 2015, 03:51:00 PM
And Paul Hewitt gets canned from George Mason. What a fall from his Georgia Tech days, just couldn't get it done once Mason went to the A-10.
Don't feel sorry for Hewitt, he will still be collecting Approx $900,000 for each of the next 3 years.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 15, 2015, 05:33:43 PM
I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic. UK is not going to take Crean, and after IU went down the road with Sampson they aren't going to step in the cesspool with Buzz.
What is this cesspool you speak off. We had only one minor violation during Buzz' tenure!
ONE!!
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on March 17, 2015, 09:04:38 AM
What is this cesspool you speak off. We had only one minor violation during Buzz' tenure!
ONE!!
LOL. First off, cesspool doesn't have to equate to violations, though it certainly can. I sped to work yesterday, going 75 but didn't get a moving ticket violation.....
Secondly, two people (some at the U. argue three) were fired related to incidents connected to Buzz's program.
Third, how you treat people. Let's put it this way, people at the university aren't upset that Bert moved on. Before this gets into a childish introduction of other coaches.....so stipulated.
Etc, etc
Doin' 75 on da 405 is the equivalent of standin' still, aina?
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on March 17, 2015, 08:53:02 AM
Despite DePaul's best attempts, they have to eventually make a good decision regarding their men's basketball program at some point, right? Right? RIGHT??!! ::)
Dave Leitao was an excellent hire and had them heading in the right direction.
Unfortunately for DePaul, they couldn't/didn't keep him around.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 17, 2015, 10:20:09 AM
Dave Leitao was an excellent hire and had them heading in the right direction.
Unfortunately for DePaul, they couldn't/didn't keep him around.
He left DePaul for UVa, where he "resigned' after 4 lackluster seasons. After bouncing around a bit, he is now an assistant at Tulsa. Not exactly the career trajectory of an excellent hire.
Probably the best DePaul has had since Ray Meyer, but I'd rate him "good" at best....
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 17, 2015, 10:31:36 AM
He left DePaul for UVa, where he "resigned' after 4 lackluster seasons. After bouncing around a bit, he is now an assistant at Tulsa. Not exactly the career trajectory of an excellent hire.
Probably the best DePaul has had since Ray Meyer, but I'd rate him "good" at best....
What does his lack of success at Virginia have to do with whether or not he was a good hire for DePaul?
Kevin O'Neill was a great hire for Marquette, arguably the best hire not named Al. He flopped at Tennessee and Northwestern and ... well, pretty much everywhere else. Doesn't mean he wasn't an excellent hire for Marquette.
DePaul was pretty much in shambles when Leitao took over, coming off 12-18 and 9-19 seasons despite having some pretty talented players under Pat Kennedy. He got them to the NIT in his first season and won Conference USA his second, leading DePaul to the NCAAs for the last time. He also brought in some really good players, like Sammy Meija, Wilson Chandler and Draelon Burns.
I don't think what happened after he left DePaul should factor at all into what he did at DePaul.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on March 17, 2015, 08:53:02 AM
Despite DePaul's best attempts, they have to eventually make a good decision regarding their men's basketball program at some point, right? Right? RIGHT??!! ::)
So you're sayin' that a DePaul coaching search is a...................
crapshoot?
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 17, 2015, 10:31:36 AM
He left DePaul for UVa, where he "resigned' after 4 lackluster seasons. After bouncing around a bit, he is now an assistant at Tulsa. Not exactly the career trajectory of an excellent hire.
Probably the best DePaul has had since Ray Meyer, but I'd rate him "good" at best....
So maybe they should hire him again!
Quote from: Pakuni on March 17, 2015, 10:46:17 AM
What does his lack of success at Virginia have to do with whether or not he was a good hire for DePaul?
It gives you a sense of whether he may have reached his ceiling. He had.