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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: mattyv1908 on March 05, 2015, 11:34:39 AM
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I think Nova is the best team in our conference, but I just wonder if them not having a true go to guy when they may need one in the tourney could hurt them.
Think Henton/Dunn of Providence and Pointer/Harrison of St John's can potentially take their teams to the elite 8.
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Nova. SJU and Providence provide unique match ups, as does Josh Smith.
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20:1 On Nova and 200:1 for Georgetown....So I'm going with Georgetown.
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Providence, Georgetown, St. John's, and Butler all could win a couple of games.
Nova could win 5 games.
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Should go far:
Villanova: Incredibly deep, quality at every position, and a star in Hilliard. This team is also experienced and knows the sting of the early exit. Anything less than the Elite 8 would be a disappointment. As long as they are on the opposite side of the bracket from Kentucky, there's no reason they can't make the finals. Size inside, six legit 3-point threats, and five juniors and seniors at the top of the rotation.
Providence: Two great players in Dunn and Henton goes along with excellent frontcourt length. Also helps that for the first time Cooley has a bench and isn't on a 6-man rotation. I would love to see them get the Badgers in the second round, I think they're a terrible matchup for Bucky. Definite threat for the Sweet 16, and in my opinion the second highest ceiling in the league.
Depends on matchups:
St. John's: Their 6.5 man rotation is very good, but could be problematic if they run into foul trouble or play against a team that wears them down with depth. Also hurts that despite all their experience, they have no NCAA experience. If they get opponents that they can overwhelm with athleticism, they can go far, maybe even the Sweet 16, but my guess is they get a 7-8 seed and end up running into a buzzsaw in the second round.
Georgetown: Surprised they haven't received much press. Interesting mix of solid seniors and precocious freshmen. But the tipping point is DSR. He is the kind of player that can lift a team to a deep NCAA run. I could see them making the Final Four, I could just as easily see them losing on the first day.
Early exits:
Xavier: Great RPI and SOS will get them into that 8/9 range, but I can't see them escaping the first weekend. Other than Georgetown (for some reason they have the Hoyas' number), they haven't beat anyone of consequence away from home, including UTEP and Long Beach State in non-conference. I haven't had much faith in them all season, no reason for that to change now.
Butler: Could have the second highest seed after Villanova, but can't see them going far. They don't have enough shooters -- as good as Barlow and Dunham are there's no one else reliable beyond the arc, and they are undersized inside. They look ripe for a first-weekend upset...which probably means they'll make another insane Final Four run.
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Providence: Two great players in Dunn and Henton goes along with excellent frontcourt length. Also helps that for the first time Cooley has a bench and isn't on a 6-man rotation. I would love to see them get the Badgers in the second round, I think they're a terrible matchup for Bucky. Definite threat for the Sweet 16, and in my opinion the second highest ceiling in the league.
Said the same thing to my friend at the game last night. Dunn would give Koenig fits.
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I think Providence's overall length and athleticism coupled with two very talented scorers who can both take over a game makes them a prime candidate to string together 3+ wins.
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I think Providence's overall length and athleticism coupled with two very talented scorers who can both take over a game makes them a prime candidate to string together 3+ wins.
I also like that if you manage to shut down one of their two scorers, Tyler Harris and Ben Bentil are both capable of putting up 15-20 on any given night. That is a tough frontcourt, and along with Lindsay, you actually have a little bit of a 3-point threat from those guys as well. I also like that they have won a Big East Tournament before. They have the look of a team designed to win in March.
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Henton reminds me of Lazar kinda. Anyone else get that or am I alone?
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Nova is salty and would be a major disappointment if they don't make it to E8 based on how theyve grinded out win after win - argument is they let themselves be in too many games but they sure have a good record winning the close ones
St. Johns could be an e8 team - when they are on top of their gazelle pressure defense and blocking shots - they can beat anyone - however, they are not a deep team in that five dudes play the majority of minutes, and frequently fall in to shooting ruts. I also don't think Harrison has the chops come pressure time - first tourney appearance for him as good as he's been individually for that program
Butler - one win I think
Providence - they are very appealing - if they get their big center back and he can play good defense they have a higher ceiling - henton looks like a player that might be that tourney star - dunn is legit -
GTown is a wild card - feel like they might get hot and win the BEast tourney and improve their seeding - lot of pressure on that squad bowing out early over the years
Xavier - hoping for one win from them
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Henton reminds me of Lazar kinda. Anyone else get that or am I alone?
I've felt that way for years. Does a bit of everything, scoring, rebounding, stepping out to shoot from range, just a tough, tough matchup. Love watching that kid play.
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Going with Butler
And Georgetown better not do their usual crap out.
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The BE is deeper than I thought at the beginning of the season.
This gives me some comfort when I think about our conference record.
We should have our share of teams playing in the second weekend.
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Obviously it all comes down to matchups, but all things being equal I'd rank the BE teams going to the tourney who are most likely to make a deep run as follows:
1) Nova
2) Butler
3) Georgetown
4) Providence
5) SJU
6) Xavier
Butler and Georgetown are deeper and defend better than Providence and St. John's.
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Butler and Georgetown are deeper and defend better than Providence and St. John's.
If Butler goes far, it will definitely be their defense that carries them. But what really gives me pause is looking at the anatomy of their schedule. They are 10-0 against Marquette, DePaul, Creighton, Seton Hall, and St. John's, with both SJU wins coming before the Johnnies got hot. They are 1-6 against the rest of the league. How much of their reputation is still resting on that win over UNC back in November? They certainly beat the teams they are supposed to beat, no doubt about that, but they snuck up on a couple teams in Atlantis and since then are 0-6 against the top-25 RPI. Just not convinced they'll be able to beat anyone of consequence come March.
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Butler over Providence on the road today. I like that.
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Marquette wins the big east final. Cruises to an easy final four run.
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Georgetown will be their typical 1st round flame out. Villanova and Butler will be the only teams to make the round of 32.
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Georgetown will be their typical 1st round flame out. Villanova and Butler will be the only teams to make the round of 32.
Think you're wrong here.
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Tough to advance when everyone except Nova is a 6 seed or higher. Maybe Gtown a 5.
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Tough to advance when everyone except Nova is a 6 seed or higher. Maybe Gtown a 5.
I actually think the 4-6 seeds are kind of a sweet spot. Those seeds guarantee you won't play a 1 or 2 until the second weekend. I'd love to see 3-4 Sweet Sixteen teams this year, and those spots give teams a good chance of that.
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Georgetown will be their typical 1st round flame out. Villanova and Butler will be the only teams to make the round of 32.
Maybe, but you also said the big east could only get 4 teams in and now there are 6 locks, so...
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I think we're poised for the greatest Cinderella story of all time.
We knock off Villanova in triple overtime on the way to the Big East tournament championship and make the NCAA.
We enter the NCAA as a 16 seed (with our record we deserve it) and play Kentucky in the first round. Another triple overtime leaves our guys absolutely dragging and we win on 25-foot jump shot from three-land by Derrick Wilson.
Our swagger now intolerable to the rest of the NCAA, we mow through the tournament like a hot knife through butter. The championship is Marquette vs. Duke and Wojo bests his mentor.
Derrick is named tournament MVP and Steve Taylor Jr., makes the all-tournament team with Juan and Duane.
There is no doubt after this one that Al McGuire has been responsible for enough of a miracle that the Wisconsin Province of the Society of Jesus advocates Al for sainthood. Pope Francis, smiling that a Jesuit institution won it all, concurs and canonizes Al.
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I'm uneasy on the Big East.
PC and SJU are classic folding chair teams. Both led by coaches in over their skis on the whiteboard. Both afflicted by the dreaded "dumb ass" gene. Both with maddening talent that never quite hits as well as it should.
Xavier is too home-good/away-bad for me. No clue what kind of game they bring to neutral court. Might as well just be a crap storm like last season.
Hoyas have the same look as every year they lose to a 13 seed but, surely, their streak of disappointment must end soon.
Nova is one of the five best teams in the country. Expect them to be playing on the last weekend. Butler will make it out of the first weekend.
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Maybe, but you also said the big east could only get 4 teams in and now there are 6 locks, so...
I said the Big East would not win more than 4 NCAA tournament games and I am sticking with that.
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I'm uneasy on the Big East.
PC and SJU are classic folding chair teams. Both led by coaches in over their skis on the whiteboard. Both afflicted by the dreaded "dumb ass" gene. Both with maddening talent that never quite hits as well as it should.
Xavier is too home-good/away-bad for me. No clue what kind of game they bring to neutral court. Might as well just be a crap storm like last season.
Hoyas have the same look as every year they lose to a 13 seed but, surely, their streak of disappointment must end soon.
Nova is one of the five best teams in the country. Expect them to be playing on the last weekend. Butler will make it out of the first weekend.
Agree with this. Villanova the only BE team I see making a deep run.
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I said the Big East would not win more than 4 NCAA tournament games and I am sticking with that.
It's looking like you're off to a bad start so far. Hopefully Georgetown can close the deal in the 2nd half on a nice 4-0 day 1 in the NCAAs.
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It's looking like you're off to a bad start so far. Hopefully Georgetown can close the deal in the 2nd half on a nice 4-0 day 1 in the NCAAs.
Bilsu is one that didn't believe the big east was a tough conference this year. Surprised more didn't call him out on it (I suppose I should have too)