Am I the only one who thinks that Taylor may have a very productive senior season now that he's not relegated to playing out of position?
He has a decent midrange jumper that can extend to the 3 point line. He's our best returning rebounder. At 6'7" he's a tough matchup as a stretch 3/4 who I think plays much better facing the basket (although he has some good post moves).
I could really see him as a consistent 12/6 type of guy next year.
I hope he can operate at 100% health. Todd Smith, do your stuff.
At times, Steve has shown flashes of being the player we saw two years ago. It seems that he wasn't able to jump or move like he had in the past. Perhaps an offseason of rest/treatment will allow him to really bring it next year. Instead of ripping the guy, why don't we put the energy into encouraging him so he can achieve his full potential and carry a bigger load next season.
Quote from: mattyv1908 on February 15, 2015, 10:31:22 PM
I could really see him as a consistent 12/6 type of guy next year.
I'd love that, but I think he will be closer to 8/4 than 12/6
He is going to have to get quicker and better at defending in space to defend the 3.
I do not see it, he has no hops and at times I wonder if he has any basketball IQ. He would be a nice 7th or 8th man on some teams. I can be wrong but by this time in his career who would hope to get more out of him that what you are getting. Seems to nice a kid, does not have that killer instinct like a Jameel McKay has.
I think he's shown a ton of improvement these past few games. If he continues on this route I'd be extremely pleased.
Luke and Henry should get about 55 minutes per game between them next year. Between Steve and Heldt we need the other 25 minutes.
Now we just have to figure out the 1-3 positions. Duane should get right around 30 minutes per game. Beyond that, who knows. Haniif, JJJ, Sandy, and Wally should all be able to contribute, and between those 4 average out about 20 mpg (JJJ probably gets the most minutes out of those 4).
That would leave 10 mpg elsewhere.
Obviously some games there will be foul trouble, etc. that throw these minutes off.
Sign a PG who can contribute immediately and that probably takes 10-15 mpg away from that group of 4, to go along with those 10 mpg left over.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 16, 2015, 09:12:11 AM
Luke and Henry should get about 55 minutes per game between them next year. Between Steve and Heldt we need the other 25 minutes.
Now we just have to figure out the 1-3 positions. Duane should get right around 30 minutes per game. Beyond that, who knows. Haniif, JJJ, Sandy, and Wally should all be able to contribute, and between those 4 average out about 20 mpg (JJJ probably gets the most minutes out of those 4).
That would leave 10 mpg elsewhere.
Obviously some games there will be foul trouble, etc. that throw these minutes off.
Sign a PG who can contribute immediately and that probably takes 10-15 mpg away from that group of 4, to go along with those 10 mpg left over.
If all but 10 mpg are already accounted for with known returnees and recruits I'd be disappointed. We desperately need a PG and a rebounder.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 16, 2015, 09:29:32 AM
If all but 10 mpg are already accounted for with known returnees and recruits I'd be disappointed. We desperately need a PG and a rebounder.
I agree. I should've said as it stands. I guess those are just the players who we know will be here who I expect to contribute at least solid (15+) minutes.
The fact that he didn't go into a shell after a horrible mid-season stretch says a lot. Will never have elite athleticism, but could fill the role that Juan Anderson does on this year's team.
My guess is that Steve spends his summer working on his #4 skills rather than being the only guy who could go up against Luke in practice and preparing to play the #5. We all have to remember what he was initially asked to do this year.
I think he'll have a nice season next year and I expect that he'll start even if we do get a contributing PF. In less than one month, this will be HIS team to captain. We'd all do well to remember that.
Quote from: jsglow on February 16, 2015, 10:22:08 AM
My guess is that Steve spends his summer working on his #4 skills rather than being the only guy who could go up against Luke in practice and preparing to play the #5. We all have to remember what he was initially asked to do this year.
I think he'll have a nice season next year and I expect that he'll start even if we do get a contributing PF. In less than one month, this will be HIS team to captain. We'd all do well to remember that.
I'm hoping Henry will contribute next season?
Quote from: wadesworld on February 16, 2015, 10:27:01 AM
I'm hoping Henry will contribute next season?
I sure Henry starts too. I'm of the belief that we return to a 2 guard starting lineup but will play 3 guard with some frequency. A lot depends on the additions from here. Perhaps I should have said that I expect Steve to be in the Lockett/Juan position. And let me add that starting doesn't necessarily mean max minutes. Wojo needs Steve's quiet leadership. As the only 4 year player, he
will have his name announced during intros.
Quote from: mattyv1908 on February 15, 2015, 10:31:22 PM
Am I the only one who thinks that Taylor may have a very productive senior season now that he's not relegated to playing out of position?
He has a decent midrange jumper that can extend to the 3 point line. He's our best returning rebounder. At 6'7" he's a tough matchup as a stretch 3/4 who I think plays much better facing the basket (although he has some good post moves).
I could really see him as a consistent 12/6 type of guy next year.
Ok, so Fischer is averaging 10.1 ppg, 4.8 reb, shooting 59%, 17 assists and has 36 blocks
Taylor is averaging 5.7 ppg, 4.1 reb, shooting 48%, 13 assists and has 3 blocks.
Yet according to you, Taylor is our best rebounder and should have a 12/6 type year next year; while Fischer is arguably the worst center in the big east and will be nothing more than a middle of the pack player. Interesting how your standards are so different for a Junior in his 3rd year vs a freshmen transfer.
I hope Taylor improves to a 12/6- 3 or 4 type player as well, it means we will be a better team next year, but I see him as a backup 4 to Ellenson and, depending on Heldt, a backup 5 to Fischer.
Quote from: hairy worthen on February 16, 2015, 10:50:31 AM
Ok, so Fischer is averaging 10.1 ppg, 4.8 reb, shooting 59%, 17 assists and has 36 blocks
Taylor is averaging 5.7 ppg, 4.1 reb, shooting 48%, 13 assists and has 3 blocks.
Yet according to you, Taylor is our best rebounder and should have a 12/6 type year next year; while Fischer is arguably the worst center in the big east and will be nothing more than a middle of the pack player. Interesting how your standards are so different for a Junior in his 3rd year vs a freshmen transfer.
I hope Taylor improves to a 12/6- 3 or 4 type player as well, it means we will be a better team next year, but I see him as a backup 4 to Ellenson and, depending on Heldt, a backup 5 to Fischer.
I hope Steve is able to avoid any minutes as a backup 5. 12-15 minutes at the 'Lockett', 8-10 backing up Henry. Heldt needs to be able to go 5-10. We might also see Henry slide to the 5 for a change of pace. Seemingly agree with you that both Luke and Henry ought to see about 28-30.
Quote from: jsglow on February 16, 2015, 10:59:21 AM
I hope Steve is able to avoid any minutes as a backup 5. 12-15 minutes at the 'Lockett', 8-10 backing up Henry. Heldt needs to be able to go 5-10. We might also see Henry slide to the 5 for a change of pace. Seemingly agree with you that both Luke and Henry ought to see about 28-30.
I am maybe not so optimistic about Heldt as you are. Freshman bigs take a while sometimes, he may be riding the bench. 5-10 would be my high end for Heldt. I wouldn't be surprised to see less than that. I agree with Henry getting time at the 5 sometimes. Should be fun to see how the team develops.
I think Steve is pretty much what you see is what you get at this point. He'll be the first big off the bench. I think he'll avg 20 mpg, 5.5 ppg, 4.5 rpg. Pretty much what his numbers are this year. There will be a handful of games in the 8-14 point range and some 0-2 point games. Just too inconsistent.
Can't see HE playing much 3. Don't think he can defend a SF or WG. HE-Taylor-Fischer frontline would have to run zone D. But that lineup really clogs the inside since Taylor and Fischer are best 15 ft and in. And HE isn't a Novak type spot up sniper. More of a solid shooter with versatility. Inside-out skill like Hayward and Crowder but a better post game. High-low sets with Luke, pick and roll as both the screener or ball handler, pick and pop, post game, transition...HE needs to use all facets of his game to maximize production. The HE-Taylor-Fischer lineup would bump him out of the post, take away spacing for driving and hurt his transition game. Need Henry to be the 4th shooter and ball handler for our best lineup, not third.
If we get Taylor swift senior year, MU will be in a better place.
Quote from: hairy worthen on February 16, 2015, 10:50:31 AM
Ok, so Fischer is averaging 10.1 ppg, 4.8 reb, shooting 59%, 17 assists and has 36 blocks
Taylor is averaging 5.7 ppg, 4.1 reb, shooting 48%, 13 assists and has 3 blocks.
Yet according to you, Taylor is our best rebounder and should have a 12/6 type year next year; while Fischer is arguably the worst center in the big east and will be nothing more than a middle of the pack player. Interesting how your standards are so different for a Junior in his 3rd year vs a freshmen transfer.
I hope Taylor improves to a 12/6- 3 or 4 type player as well, it means we will be a better team next year, but I see him as a backup 4 to Ellenson and, depending on Heldt, a backup 5 to Fischer.
Steve leads the team in rebounds per 40 minutes, rebounds per 100 possessions, defensive rebound percentage, offensive rebound pecentage and total rebound pecentage. The numbers get even more favorable if you compare only conference play.
In conference play JuJuan Johnson is rebounding at a higher rate than Luke Fischer.
I don't really care if Steve increases his scoring. I just want to see him be a terror on the boards. A floor general and a high motor rebounder are the the two biggest missing pieces for next season IMHO
Quote from: jsglow on February 16, 2015, 10:45:50 AM
I sure Henry starts too. I'm of the belief that we return to a 2 guard starting lineup but will play 3 guard with some frequency. A lot depends on the additions from here. Perhaps I should have said that I expect Steve to be in the Lockett/Juan position. And let me add that starting doesn't necessarily mean max minutes. Wojo needs Steve's quiet leadership. As the only 4 year player, he will have his name announced during intros.
Steve should not start just because he's a senior. He shouldn't be given minutes for that reason either. I hope he does contribute but he needs to earn it. If Luke, Henry, Wally, and a JUCO addition or grad transfer are better options they should both start and play ahead of Steve.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 16, 2015, 11:27:17 AM
If we get Taylor swift senior year, MU will be in a better place.
Any problems in the past, as long as Steve can shake it off.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 16, 2015, 11:27:17 AM
If we get Taylor swift senior year, MU will be in a better place.
Is that the modern day equivalent of when rumors were all over the place my freshman year that Britney Spears was gonna go to MU?
We'll see how it all breaks down when we have all the players on campus but I expect the following right now for the start of next season (conference season will likely be different)
20 minutes at the 4 for Teve and he starts
20 minutes at the 4 for Henry
30 minutes at the 5 for Luke and he starts
5 minutes at the 5 for Henry
5 minutes at the 5 for Heldt
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on February 17, 2015, 07:20:54 AM
Any problems in the past, as long as Steve can shake it off.
The other day, my friend who is a ortho nurse, recounted this conversation with Steve after surgery: "Remember when you hit the brakes too soon? Twenty stitches in a hospital room. When you started crying, Baby, I did too . But the sun came up."
His rehab has come a long way.