Transitioning to PG and playing very well.
http://dleague.nba.com/news/vander-blue-point-guard/?cid=dleague_12_twitter_L
He was last year's PG. Shame he didn't stick around.
Gotta tell ya, I don't know how these cats do it. Watched some of Vander's game yesterday. They played in some chit hole gym with, what looked like 200 people, in the bleachers. Likely 150 were kin or posse members. The others got in for free. This joint makes St. Clarence's 8th grade gym look like MSG. There's essentially no teamwork. Every dude for himself. Probably makin' $35 bucks/game stayin' in bedbug infested Motel 6's after travellin' cross country in a busted down school bus. All for the chance of gettin' a 10 day contract in the Never Broke Again. I think I'd rather shove glass rods up the old Johnson and then strike it with a hammer, aina?
I watched some of VBs game the other day. I don't know what that is, but it is not basketball. You only pass if double teamed and if you were lucky enough to receive the pass, you will drive and shoot or just shoot. The D-league isn't highlighting anything. 40 pnts 15 rbnds is not a great night. Shots are taken in the first 7 seconds. Vander looked uninterested in the game I watched.
The D-League is adult AAU ball.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 19, 2015, 10:43:34 AM
Gotta tell ya, I don't know how these cats do it. Watched some of Vander's game yesterday. They played in some chit hole gym with, what looked like 200 people, in the bleachers. Likely 150 were kin or posse members. The others got in for free. This joint makes St. Clarence's 8th grade gym look like MSG. There's essentially no teamwork. Every dude for himself. Probably makin' $35 bucks/game stayin' in bedbug infested Motel 6's after travellin' cross country in a busted down school bus. All for the chance of gettin' a 10 day contract in the Never Broke Again. I think I'd rather shove glass rods up the old Johnson and then strike it with a hammer, aina?
True, so what else are they supposed to do? They've spent their entire lives trained to do one thing: play basketball. They're not going to be able to apply for a lot of $50k entry level desk jobs after spending 7 days a week in the gym. It's a sad commentary on our entire culture.
Quote from: Chicago_inferiority_complexes on January 19, 2015, 11:28:30 AM
True, so what else are they supposed to do? They've spent their entire lives trained to do one thing: play basketball. They're not going to be able to apply for a lot of $50k entry level desk jobs after spending 7 days a week in the gym. It's a sad commentary on our entire culture.
How is that a sad commentary on our culture?
There aren't too many college dropouts of any kind making $50K at 23 years old. If he wanted to develop some other skills, he should have stayed in school.
Quote from: warriorchick on January 19, 2015, 11:49:47 AM
How is that a sad commentary on our culture?
There aren't too many college dropouts of any kind making $50K at 23 years old. If he wanted to develop some other skills, he should have stayed in school.
I tend to agree -- it is not like there wasn't a choice...which is a positive commentary in my opinion.
Quote from: Chicago_inferiority_complexes on January 19, 2015, 11:28:30 AM
True, so what else are they supposed to do? They've spent their entire lives trained to do one thing: play basketball. They're not going to be able to apply for a lot of $50k entry level desk jobs after spending 7 days a week in the gym. It's a sad commentary on our entire culture.
D-League salaries are anywhere from $13,000 to $25,500 per season. There are plenty of men in their early 20s (and likely much older) who would happily take that salary to play basketball for a living as opposed to doing their current jobs.
My father is a retired HS teacher/admin and football coach. He has often said that college athletes shouldn't be pushed into being "general studies" major. They should be majoring in secondary education. Teaching history or gym class 9 months a year while coaching a couple sports is not a bad way to make a living.
Quote from: Chicago_inferiority_complexes on January 19, 2015, 11:28:30 AM
True, so what else are they supposed to do? They've spent their entire lives trained to do one thing: play basketball. They're not going to be able to apply for a lot of $50k entry level desk jobs after spending 7 days a week in the gym. It's a sad commentary on our entire culture.
Travis et al made a lot more that that playing in Europe. Less NBA visibility than the D-league, but a great living for a kid just out of college.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on January 19, 2015, 12:03:30 PM
D-League salaries are anywhere from $13,000 to $25,500 per season. There are plenty of men in their early 20s (and likely much older) who would happily take that salary to play basketball for a living as opposed to doing their current jobs.
My father is a retired HS teacher/admin and football coach. He has often said that college athletes shouldn't be pushed into being "general studies" major. They should be majoring in secondary education. Teaching history or gym class 9 months a year while coaching a couple sports is not a bad way to make a living.
I have wondered why you never (or hardly ever) see an Education major among our basketball team members. If I had to guess, it would be that A) our School of Education doesn't really have a Phys Ad focus as an option and B) education majors at Marquette are required to double major (in Education and something else -Math, History, etc.), which may be a little tough to pull off given the time commitment to basketball, and C)As a basketball player, I would have to think it is close to impossible to get your student teaching in and still graduate on time.
SUPERBAR
Quote from: warriorchick on January 19, 2015, 12:24:21 PM
I have wondered why you never (or hardly ever) see an Education major among our basketball team members. If I had to guess, it would be that A) our School of Education doesn't really have a Phys Ad focus as an option and B) education majors at Marquette are required to double major (in Education and something else -Math, History, etc.), which may be a little tough to pull off given the time commitment to basketball, and C)As a basketball player, I would have to think it is close to impossible to get your student teaching in and still graduate on time.
Yeah, the student teaching would definitely be an issue for basketball players as it's typically done during second semester of senior year. My father often spoke in terms of football, which is obviously a first semester sport and also includes a lot more redshirting, so I guess it's much more logical in those terms.
IIRC, MU has majors within education so I believe that instead of taking, for example, 4 classes within your major in a semester, you'd take 2 general Education classes and 2 classes within your Education Major.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on January 19, 2015, 12:49:55 PM
Yeah, the student teaching would definitely be an issue for basketball players as it's typically done during second semester of senior year. My father often spoke in terms of football, which is obviously a first semester sport and also includes a lot more redshirting, so I guess it's much more logical in those terms.
IIRC, MU has majors within education so I believe that instead of taking, for example, 4 classes within your major in a semester, you'd take 2 general Education classes and 2 classes within your Education Major.
I believe Luke is an education major.
Quote from: Chicago_inferiority_complexes on January 19, 2015, 11:28:30 AM
True, so what else are they supposed to do? They've spent their entire lives trained to do one thing: play basketball. They're not going to be able to apply for a lot of $50k entry level desk jobs after spending 7 days a week in the gym. It's a sad commentary on our entire culture.
What field are entry level desk jobs paying $50k? At least in Wisconsin?
Quote from: DienerTime34 on January 19, 2015, 01:04:36 PM
What field are entry level desk jobs paying $50k? At least in Wisconsin?
Okay, use $35,000. It was a random number. The point being, lots of athletes like Vander Blue probably cannot get a good paying, stable job because they don't have the training or skills to do anything else except shoot hoops. And unlike a few people in this thread, apparently, I consider that a sad commentary on society, and particularly our education system.
Quote from: DienerTime34 on January 19, 2015, 01:04:36 PM
What field are entry level desk jobs paying $50k? At least in Wisconsin?
The sausage stuffers at Usingers sit at a table of some kind, aina?
Quote from: Chicago_inferiority_complexes on January 19, 2015, 01:09:12 PM
Okay, use $35,000. It was a random number. The point being, lots of athletes like Vander Blue probably cannot get a good paying, stable job because they don't have the training or skills to do anything else except shoot hoops. And unlike a few people in this thread, apparently, I consider that a sad commentary on society, and particularly our education system.
If students are given access to a free education and don't take advantage of that, how is it a sad commentary on the education system? That comment reminded me of this cartoon from a few years ago...
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Quote from: MerrittsMustache on January 19, 2015, 01:18:04 PM
If students are given access to a free education and don't take advantage of that, how is it a sad commentary on the education system? That comment reminded me of this cartoon from a few years ago...
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Love that cartoon. I've used it in the presentation I give at orientation many a time.
Ah, the good old days...
From the Rob and Laura Petrie of New Rochelle Files...
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Quote from: Chicago_inferiority_complexes on January 19, 2015, 11:28:30 AM
True, so what else are they supposed to do? They've spent their entire lives trained to do one thing: play basketball. They're not going to be able to apply for a lot of $50k entry level desk jobs after spending 7 days a week in the gym. It's a sad commentary on our entire culture.
Europe ... See Dom James. Go to Italy, learn a new language and find a hot wife. (starting a company is optional)
NBA mid-season call ups are much easier from the D-League. That is likely the main reason he is playing there.
I don't recall the details, but would the "Vander Orange" incident have prevented him from getting an overseas work visa, perhaps?
Quote from: Benny B on January 19, 2015, 09:54:51 PM
I don't recall the details, but would the "Vander Orange" incident have prevented him from getting an overseas work visa, perhaps?
I just think that Vander still believes he can make it in the NBA, and that is why he is hanging around.
Quote from: Benny B on January 19, 2015, 09:54:51 PM
I don't recall the details, but would the "Vander Orange" incident have prevented him from getting an overseas work visa, perhaps?
Doubt it
I'm humming the Dick Van Dyke show theme song right now.
Quote from: warriorchick on January 19, 2015, 12:24:21 PM
I have wondered why you never (or hardly ever) see an Education major among our basketball team members. If I had to guess, it would be that A) our School of Education doesn't really have a Phys Ad focus as an option and B) education majors at Marquette are required to double major (in Education and something else -Math, History, etc.), which may be a little tough to pull off given the time commitment to basketball, and C)As a basketball player, I would have to think it is close to impossible to get your student teaching in and still graduate on time.
My daughter right now has a substitute teacher that played for the Lakers and Suns, along with many CBA teams at the time. Duane Cooper, out of USC. I don't know if he majored in education, but that is what he is doing now.
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Why are all these couples in twin beds?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 20, 2015, 07:32:14 AM
My daughter right now has a substitute teacher that played for the Lakers and Suns, along with many CBA teams at the time. Duane Cooper, out of USC. I don't know if he majored in education, but that is what he is doing now.
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I don't know about California, but in every place where I have lived, all you need to be a substitute teacher is a bachelor's degree in anything.
I have a friend who is semi-retired and is subbing. He graduated from Marquette with a degree in Broadcasting and a 2.1 GPA.
Quote from: warriorchick on January 20, 2015, 08:03:22 AM
I don't know about California, but in every place where I have lived, all you need to be a substitute teacher is a bachelor's degree in anything.
I have a friend who is semi-retired and is subbing. He graduated from Marquette with a degree in Broadcasting and a 2.1 GPA.
That's actually quite impressive, Marquette College of Communications is one of the tougher Colleges in the country.
Quote from: The Lens on January 20, 2015, 08:13:31 AM
That's actually quite impressive, Marquette College of Communications is one of the tougher Colleges in the country.
Well maybe not 35 years ago...
Quote from: warriorchick on January 20, 2015, 08:03:22 AM
I don't know about California, but in every place where I have lived, all you need to be a substitute teacher is a bachelor's degree in anything.
I know this is the same in Connecticut for substitute teachers.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on January 19, 2015, 01:18:04 PM
If students are given access to a free education and don't take advantage of that, how is it a sad commentary on the education system?
I'm not going to condemn the entire education system, but many athletes are not-so-subtly encouraged to put academics on the back-burner in favor of concentrating on athletics. In other words, reality is the exact opposite of what college sports' overlords would have us believe. For most, if they are students at all, they are athlete-students.
Look at North Carolina. For more than a decade, athletes were pushed toward taking courses that didn't even exist just so they could stay eligible. Could the athletes have said, "Wait a second? If I take these courses I won't be doing myself any good for the long term?" Of course. But how many 20-year-olds who have been told they are NBA and NFL shoo-ins think like that? Hell, how many non-athlete 20-year-olds think like that? I know I all too often took the easy way out.
UNC might be an extreme ... but it might not be. I'm sure there are plenty of other supposedly prestigious universities that are little more than sports factories.
Add in the advisers, AAU coaches, leeches and other hangers-on, and 18-22-year-olds don't necessarily think pragmatically about "How can I best take advantage of this wonderful opportunity?" They are thinking, "I'm going pro, baby!" And everybody from their families to entourages to coaches to their colleges are encouraging it.
I'm sure Kentucky makes all kinds of learning opportunities available to its basketball players. I'm equally sure Kentucky has built its entire program around, "Come here and we'll make you a pro, and you won't even need three years at this $hithole to get there."
Quote from: MU82 on January 20, 2015, 10:01:47 AM
I'm not going to condemn the entire education system, but many athletes are not-so-subtly encouraged to put academics on the back-burner in favor of concentrating on athletics. In other words, reality is the exact opposite of what college sports' overlords would have us believe. For most, if they are students at all, they are athlete-students.
how many 20-year-olds who have been told they are NBA and NFL shoo-ins think like that? Hell, how many non-athlete 20-year-olds think like that? I know I all too often took the easy way out.
UNC might be an extreme ... but it might not be. I'm sure there are plenty of other supposedly prestigious universities that are little more than sports factories.
Look at North Carolina. For more than a decade, athletes were pushed toward taking courses that didn't even exist just so they could stay eligible. Could the athletes have said, "Wait a second? If I take these courses I won't be doing myself any good for the long term?" Of course. But
Add in the advisers, AAU coaches, leeches and other hangers-on, and 18-22-year-olds don't necessarily think pragmatically about "How can I best take advantage of this wonderful opportunity?" They are thinking, "I'm going pro, baby!" And everybody from their families to entourages to coaches to their colleges are encouraging it.
I'm sure Kentucky makes all kinds of learning opportunities available to its basketball players. I'm equally sure Kentucky has built its entire program around, "Come here and we'll make you a pro, and you won't even need three years at this $hithole to get there."
This isn't the case with Vander, though. If anything, Marquette's insistence that he (and every other BB player) take his studying seriously was likely a contributing factor in his leaving.
I'm not sure that it would be the best thing for the society to be encouraging revenue-sport athletes to go into education as a "safety-net."
Call me pessimistic, but if you have a revenue-sport athlete who doesn't even have the requisite intelligence to realize on his own that he needs some sort of safety net - be it in education or otherwise - just in case pro ball doesn't work out, I'm not sure that's the kind of person who should be training the next generation even if you can tutor him to an education degree.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on January 20, 2015, 07:04:00 AM
I'm humming the Dick Van Dyke show theme song right now.
Wow, how old are you? (that's a 50 year old show).
Quote from: Heisenberg on January 20, 2015, 03:04:27 PM
Wow, how old are you? (that's a 50 year old show).
Have you ever heard of Nick at Nite?
Quote from: warriorchick on January 20, 2015, 03:09:51 PM
Have you ever heard of Nick at Nite?
Yes, that is where fossils relive their youth.
Quote from: The Lens on January 20, 2015, 08:13:31 AM
That's actually quite impressive, Marquette College of Communications is one of the tougher Colleges in the country.
Quote from: warriorchick on January 20, 2015, 08:15:50 AM
Well maybe not 35 years ago...
I graduated with a Journalism degree 33 years ago, and I can assure you it was not considered one of the tougher majors at Marquette back then. Maybe for those who didn't know how to string two sentences together it was difficult, but for anybody with basic ability to put together a few paragraphs, it was quite a breeze.
I liked it because in my last three years I never had a single test in my major. Every midterm and final was a writing assignment of some kind. I pulled far fewer all-nighters than all of my non-J-school friends.
I of course had final exams in my non-Journalism courses, but the relative lack of them helped me establish a record that can only be tied and never be broken among students who graduate Marquette in four years: I went out to the bars every single night of final exams for four years. I willingly put an asterisk next to my "accomplishment" noting that I was a Journalism major!
Could ya make a livin' with that journalism degree?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 21, 2015, 08:18:05 AM
Could ya make a livin' with that journalism degree?
A very nice one, thanks for asking.
Not sure if the same is true today, though.
Quote from: Heisenberg on January 20, 2015, 04:53:15 PM
Yes, that is where fossils relive their youth.
It's also the #1 channel for adults watching Spongebob who fall asleep with the TV on.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 21, 2015, 08:18:05 AM
Could ya make a livin' with that journalism degree?
Well, at least he doesn't walk around with pruney fingers