We're going to have to acknowledge how truly pathetic our offense was particularly in the second half against the worst team in the BE. I'm starting to get a little concerned about whether Wojo and staff can come up with an offensive game plan that will work with this team. Now its true that as a whole these guys are very poor passers and not particularly good shooters. But McDermott has to deal with even greater limitations on their end and he is able run offensive plays that get his guys open looks. We had 8 days to prepare for this game, most of which was without school in session. Watching the games from the stands I don't remember one time thinking "Wow that worked well". I'll give the staff credit on the defensive side. Some of the variations of the zone show some innovation and seem to be working well. But the offensive seems to worse now than in Orlando and that is concerning.
Hopefully things will never reach the levels of awfulness from tonight again but we will be inconsistent.
We were really nice against Prov who has a tone of length and pretty good just sloppy vs Gtown. But we are also prone to long ineptness like DePaul and today.
The issue is we have inexperience, not enough shooters and lack of size next to Luke. So we can be prone to bad games.
Next year things should look a lot better as we have way more experience for 5 of our guys. More size to help out Luke and really give us some down low strength. And some more shooting.
Things will be tough this year. But tonight was pretty inexcusable how bad things were.
When they watch the film, I want them to see how quickly Creighton moves the ball in the halfcourt offense.
MU either plays at 1000 mph or at a snail's pace. Need to find a middle ground the halfcourt. Part of the problem is the guards are in love with the dribble, sometimes they just need to keep the ball moving.
Quote from: NotAnAlum on January 14, 2015, 11:29:57 PM
We're going to have to acknowledge how truly pathetic our offense was particularly in the second half against the worst team in the BE. I'm starting to get a little concerned about whether Wojo and staff can come up with an offensive game plan that will work with this team. Now its true that as a whole these guys are very poor passers and not particularly good shooters. But McDermott has to deal with even greater limitations on their end and he is able run offensive plays that get his guys open looks. We had 8 days to prepare for this game, most of which was without school in session. Watching the games from the stands I don't remember one time thinking "Wow that worked well". I'll give the staff credit on the defensive side. Some of the variations of the zone show some innovation and seem to be working well. But the offensive seems to worse now than in Orlando and that is concerning.
While I will not discredit anything that you are saying, I would simply request hitting the 'enter' button a time or two. Just looking at your post makes me tired.
A win is a win. At the end of the year, no one will pine about the second half offense, but if it comes to a postseason bid, we'll be glad we got this one. Not pretty, but I'd rather an ugly win over a pretty loss every day of the week. Because no one's greatest memories are ever "that time we almost beat" anyone.
Quote from: NotAnAlum on January 14, 2015, 11:29:57 PM
We're going to have to acknowledge how truly pathetic our offense was particularly in the second half against the worst team in the BE. I'm starting to get a little concerned about whether Wojo and staff can come up with an offensive game plan that will work with this team. Now its true that as a whole these guys are very poor passers and not particularly good shooters. But McDermott has to deal with even greater limitations on their end and he is able run offensive plays that get his guys open looks. We had 8 days to prepare for this game, most of which was without school in session. Watching the games from the stands I don't remember one time thinking "Wow that worked well". I'll give the staff credit on the defensive side. Some of the variations of the zone show some innovation and seem to be working well. But the offensive seems to worse now than in Orlando and that is concerning.
I have deep concerns about our offensive strategy , tactics and substitution patterns. I agree that the defensive strategy and tactics are viable.
Quote from: Texas Western on January 14, 2015, 11:49:06 PM
I have deep concerns about our offensive strategy , tactics and substitution patterns.
::) They have 8 f*cking players.
Quote from: Texas Western on January 14, 2015, 11:49:06 PM
I have deep concerns about our offensive strategy , tactics and substitution patterns. I agree that the defensive strategy and tactics are viable.
I might of played Sandy for a minute or two more but other than that I don't think I would have changed the substitutions at all.
Wasn't able to watch the game. Can someone explain why luke only took 3 shots?? The guards still learning how to play with an actual center? I guess I ruin myself with the NBA sometimes...
Quote from: MUeng on January 15, 2015, 12:05:59 AM
Wasn't able to watch the game. Can someone explain why luke only took 3 shots?? The guards still learning how to play with an actual center? I guess I ruin myself with the NBA sometimes...
Got two fouls early in first half and sat out a lot He scored the first two points of the game and never again. We did a poor job getting him the ball, and he bobbled the ball a couple of times. Not a good night for offensive execution, but we take the win!
Quote from: MUfan12 on January 14, 2015, 11:52:06 PM
::) They have 8 f*cking players.
We had seven players. Steve Taylor does not count as he does absolutely nothing.
I don't get why next year we will be better. Next year our bench is going to even shorter. We will only have 6 guys with college ball experience....one who has sat out a year....plus no true point guard.
Tonight's game was a gift.
Quote from: westcoastwarrior on January 15, 2015, 12:36:11 AM
I don't get why next year we will be better. Next year our bench is going to even shorter. We will only have 6 guys with college ball experience....one who has sat out a year....plus no true point guard.
Tonight's game was a gift.
You drunk? How will the bench be shorter? We have 10 guys on roster already with 1 of the new guys being a Top 10 recruit. This is all before we even get into the real possibly of a grad transfer and/or JUCO.
The 88 MU offensive efficiency was the lowest in a win since the Murray State game (87). Very rare to win playing that way offensively.
Quote from: westcoastwarrior on January 15, 2015, 12:36:11 AM
We will only have 6 guys with college ball experience
As opposed to the four guys we had this year? Add in all the playing time those 6 are getting and it seems like a big step up IMO.
Scoop is only happy when we win by double figures. If we lose, even to a better team, or don't win by enough Scoop is there to find fault in something. Early in the season everyone was complaining about the team's defense. Wojo and staff have worked hard with the team and with Luke's addition, the team is now better defensively than it was back in November.
So now the complaint is the offense and how certain players have become "useless" because they don't score enough. Never mind that EVERY team has bad games and it will certainly happen again because this team just doesn't have all the parts.
This season we will continue to see inconsistency but help is on the way and things will get better.
Quote from: WolverineWarrior85 on January 15, 2015, 04:30:23 AM
Scoop is only happy when we win by double figures. If we lose, even to a better team, or don't win by enough Scoop is there to find fault in something. Early in the season everyone was complaining about the team's defense. Wojo and staff have worked hard with the team and with Luke's addition, the team is now better defensively than it was back in November.
So now the complaint is the offense and how certain players have become "useless" because they don't score enough. Never mind that EVERY team has bad games and it will certainly happen again because this team just doesn't have all the parts.
This season we will continue to see inconsistency but help is on the way and things will get better.
right on!! cheezus, we didn't know what we were getting this year and notanalum is acting as though we were a preseason top 10? i am really pleased to see that wojo has shown that he is the real deal in his first year. how? the guys play hard for him, we've won a few nice games, and he has attracted some good/great potential recruits-they've had enough confidence in him to make probably the most important decision of their life at this point-to come to the warriors
Quote from: NotAnAlum on January 14, 2015, 11:29:57 PM
We're going to have to acknowledge how truly pathetic our offense was particularly in the second half against the worst team in the BE. I'm starting to get a little concerned about whether Wojo and staff can come up with an offensive game plan that will work with this team. Now its true that as a whole these guys are very poor passers and not particularly good shooters. But McDermott has to deal with even greater limitations on their end and he is able run offensive plays that get his guys open looks. We had 8 days to prepare for this game, most of which was without school in session. Watching the games from the stands I don't remember one time thinking "Wow that worked well". I'll give the staff credit on the defensive side. Some of the variations of the zone show some innovation and seem to be working well. But the offensive seems to worse now than in Orlando and that is concerning.
Every perimeter player except Carlino had open shots -- often wide-open shots -- all game long. When the shots go in, we look OK. When the shots don't, we look bad.
We need lots of things, and we will be adding lots of things for next season. What we desperately need are more people who can make shots and more who can move the ball quickly and accurately.
Quote from: Daniel on January 15, 2015, 12:17:50 AM
Got two fouls early in first half and sat out a lot He scored the first two points of the game and never again. We did a poor job getting him the ball, and he bobbled the ball a couple of times. Not a good night for offensive execution, but we take the win!
Creighton had a big center and he does not play well against big centers who play in position. One of the reasons Fischer has high shooting percentage is that he will not force shots. He reminds me of Novak in that I always thought Novak refused to take any shots he was likely to miss. A few passes to Fischer were horrible passes that he did not have much chance of grabbing. You do not pass to a 7 footer's feet.
I remind myself that were simply not very good this year. But the kids play hard and represent the program well. I hope we can string together enough to earn an NIT bid. Reinforcements will be on the way after that.
Quote from: bilsu on January 15, 2015, 07:22:56 AM
Creighton had a big center and he does not play well against big centers who play in position. One of the reasons Fischer has high shooting percentage is that he will not force shots. He reminds me of Novak in that I always thought Novak refused to take any shots he was likely to miss. A few passes to Fischer were horrible passes that he did not have much chance of grabbing. You do not pass to a 7 footer's feet.
Or he caught the ball in a difficult position, where he couldn't do anything with it.
Even a bad BJ, is still a BJ, aina?
Whiners will whine.
MU won an exciting game. MU has one more loss than conference leader Nova. MU has held court at home, and was right there in each of its road games. Was tonight pretty? No. Does it count in the win column? Yes. Were those last 20 seconds as exciting as it gets? Yes...and I'll take that all day.
Anyone complaining the offense, substitutions or the number of shots by Luke...teams are packing it in, challenging our guards to hit open threes. We are getting wide open looks...but guys have to knock down the shots. My guess is that Wojo's recruits will have a greater focus on shooting, but he's playing the hand he was dealt this year. He can design the offense to get the open shots, but he can't make the shots for them.
And to the poster complaining about Derrick's game (can't remember if that was this thread or the other one), he hit two of three 3-point attempts (at a key point in the game), had five assists, three steals, and a block easily offset his two turnovers. Last night was another addition to Derrick's solid senior season. Other guys struggled last night, but Derrick was pretty good.
Quote from: Texas Western on January 14, 2015, 11:49:06 PM
I have deep concerns about our offensive strategy , tactics and substitution patterns. I agree that the defensive strategy and tactics are viable.
What strategy and tactics would you deploy that Wojo hasn't? We had a ton of open looks last night that didn't fall. Creighton packed the lane and game planned to eliminate Luke, what tactics would you use to counter act this? What is your concern with Wojo's offense?
Honestly, while the results haven't always been pretty, my biggest concern was Wojo's game planning and in-game adjustments. I think he has exceeded my expectations and has shown an ability to learn and adjust. I'm confident that 3 years from now we will look back on posts like yours as a thing of wonder that we ever doubted him.
Marquette really has no one who can consistently create his own shot. MU is 13th in the nation in Assists per FG (top 4%). That's not because of having dynamic PGs who constantly drive and dish/kick for open looks. It's because they don't have a guy to give the ball to and let him work. There's not much margin for error when your team is built that way offensively which is why MU is prone to long stretches of empty offense. I really think that Duane can be that type of player eventually, but he's not there yet. JJJ has some of it in his game as well, but is a bit out of control.
Quote from: mu03eng on January 15, 2015, 07:50:41 AM
What strategy and tactics would you deploy that Wojo hasn't? We had a ton of open looks last night that didn't fall. Creighton packed the lane and game planned to eliminate Luke, what tactics would you use to counter act this? What is your concern with Wojo's offense?
Honestly, while the results haven't always been pretty, my biggest concern was Wojo's game planning and in-game adjustments. I think he has exceeded my expectations and has shown an ability to learn and adjust. I'm confident that 3 years from now we will look back on posts like yours as a thing of wonder that we ever doubted him.
Very well said. It would be nice that when you put someone on ignore that you didn't have to see their posts when someone quotes them, but at least everyone who replied to and quoted Texas Western's post had a great comeback. I have been very impressed with every facet of Coach Wojo's young head coaching career so far, not just his recruiting. He has done a great job with a team that he did not put together and unfortunately he has to adjust for many things including a team that can't shoot consistently well. Wojo's one big addition has been Carlino and I can't imagine how this team would be doing without Carlino and his outside shooting or just his threat of outside shooting. Still find it funny how a few posters believe Carlino is such a cancer to this team and is a big reason two guys transferred that were probably not in the long range plans of this team anyway, since defense and rebounding are something Wojo feels are important. This team will most likely remain inconsistent the entire season simply because they will have bad shooting nights, but their intensity and tough defense seems to be the one constant and that comes from the head coach and his excellent leadership. It was nice to see Duane break out of his shooting slump a little because that can give you at least three outside scoring threats, with Duane, Carlino and Cohen. It would be nice to see Jujuan find his outside shot and with Derek shooting better than last year, they can be a decent shooting team on certain nights.
I'm not expecting us to go making the tourney and all, but man, a win is a win and I'll take it.
Sometimes sh!t just happens in a game. I know coaches (and many here) are always in search of a perfect game but nobody ever wants to give another team credit for anything. It's either "we sucked" or "we were great" or "we let that guy score at will". Sometimes, other people are just better.
Last night was one of those games. And you know what? The team with six scorers (sorry, Steve) won. It was ugly but I'll take it.
Everyone forgets that two years ago, we were looking at a bad season. We were not playing well, had UConn at home and we were THIS close to losing and derailing the season. Then this happened.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k378Ag1Tc30.
I'm not saying it will happen again - nor do I expect it - I'm just saying...sometimes games like this happen. They are young. inexperienced. Short staffed......And they won. Deal.
Most Warrior games will be "ugly", because defensive orientated teams are by definition ugly. (Hello Al!)
I thought Coach Wojo handled the closing minutes rather well. He let the Warriors play. That is the way a coach allows a team to build confidence in itself.
Wojo is all about positive energy. Good for him. Good for the team.
The problem I saw last night is when Fischer is in the game other players need to step up. Every team and every coach in the Big East now knows that Fischer is a threat inside. McDermott said his game plan was to take away Fischer and every time he touched the ball two to three defenders were crashing onto him. If Carlino and some others can start hitting shots and taking some of the defensive attention away from Fischer he won't have many more 2 point games. He also needs to cut down on the cheap fouls so he can stay on the court but its still only his 8th game after a year of only practicing.
A crappy team only wins when they play well. We generally played poorly last night and won.
Plenty of teams that went from a double-digit lead in the first half to a four-point deficit in the final minutes would pack up and go home. We found a way to pull it out. Says a lot about Wojo and the guys.
Fischer needs to be more decisive with the ball. When he gets the ball in the lane, he needs to turn quickly and go up with it. If he's on the block, he needs to hold the ball high and when the double-team comes, get rid of it so it can swing around the perimeter. His first move should NEVER be to put the ball on the floor.
Also worth mentioning... it was tough for the guards to get Fischer the ball because Stephens and his two stooges allowed Creighton to beat Luke up in the post.
Quote from: MUfan12 on January 15, 2015, 09:01:07 AM
Also worth mentioning... it was tough for the guards to get Fischer the ball because Stephens and his two stooges allowed Creighton to beat Luke up in the post.
Correct. Whether or not they were fouling, Creighton did a great job of surrounding Luke in the post. They were basically forcing us to beat them from the perimeter...and fortunately we hit just enough shots to do it.
Quote from: MUfan12 on January 15, 2015, 09:01:07 AM
Also worth mentioning... it was tough for the guards to get Fischer the ball because Stephens and his two stooges allowed Creighton to beat Luke up in the post.
Fischer got hammered a few times early and shrunk after that. Could see in the second half when he did get the ball, tentative was written all over face and movement including one time where he dribbled the ball straight into Krenkeneklenenelow's (sp?) hands.
amazing how different people's views can be:
1. i didn't see fischer shrink after getting popped a few times. i saw a kid that couldn't get in the flow of the game because of foul trouble, and certainly couldn't bang back because he couldn't afford to pick up a cheap foul. he put his nose in the middle of things without being able to be overly aggressive. that's not "shrinking" and banging back was exactly what creighton was trying to get him to do. the kid has played tough all year and deserved respect.
2. the original post talks about creighton getting its shooters open. the results weren't good enough to win (against a team you're essentially ripping), so you have to question the plan. exactly who did you want MU to run plays for. you have to have 2 guys on the court that can hit from outside to do so. wojo talked about it after the game, said they just need to keep putting up shots, and that the game plan was to get the ball to luke. they dared MU to shoot from outside all night. they didn't need to run plays to get guys open...creighton just left them open. other than carlino, no one was closely guarded.
3. MU has run plenty of sets to get guys good looks against a zone...it looks much more obvious against a zone than against man.
4. MU played about as poorly as they are going to play on offense, with 8 guys, and they won against a team that really needed a BEAST win. wojo's defensive scheme held up..."to all those great plays" creighton ran only to miss the shot.
5. MU is 30th in assists (but according to some they don't know how to move the ball), 61st in field goal percentage (but wojo doesn't know how to run good plays), and 325th in rebounding (the result of having to play a zone because of lack of high and 8 players on the team).
Amazing that MU is where it is
amazing that wojo has the team playing defense as well as they are in a zone given he didn't come from a system that ran one
amazing that we have stellar recruits coming in next year
amazing that derrick wilson is starting to play a bit better
amazing that we won any games without luke
amazing that wojo's graduate transfer has won us at least 2 games this year
amazing that people get on here and criticize him, when he has crap to work with and is 2-2 in the 2nd best RPI conf in the nation
Luke needs to stop putting the ball on the floor and go right to the basket.
Enough turnovers from him dribbling last night to cause me to want to spend most of my night drinking beer and hoping it would stop.
Davante learned the same thing. Use your body and your reach and forget this dribbling garbage.
Quote from: avid1010 on January 15, 2015, 11:12:27 AM
amazing how different people's views can be:
1. i didn't see fischer shrink after getting popped a few times. i saw a kid that couldn't get in the flow of the game because of foul trouble, and certainly couldn't bang back because he couldn't afford to pick up a cheap foul. he put his nose in the middle of things without being able to be overly aggressive. that's not "shrinking" and banging back was exactly what creighton was trying to get him to do. the kid has played tough all year and deserved respect.
Fischer had zero impact on the game. He scored 15 seconds into it and never was heard from again. Lowest amount of rebounds on the team. Derrick blocked/affected shots more than Fischer did. Still waiting for Luke's first FT of the game.........
Foul trouble? Fischer got whistled straight away and then again with about five left in the half. Not even sure he got whistled in the second. This was the only Big East game to date where Fischer
wasn't in foul trouble where Wojo had to monitor minutes.
Also, as dgies points out above, avoiding a straight path to basket for putting the ball on the floor is indicative of tentative play. Fischer just didn't have it last night which isn't a shock considering he's played half the games everyone else has on the roster. In time, he'll become a consistent presence.
Quote from: dgies9156 on January 15, 2015, 11:24:00 AM
Luke needs to stop putting the ball on the floor and go right to the basket.
Enough turnovers from him dribbling last night to cause me to want to spend most of my night drinking beer and hoping it would stop.
Davante learned the same thing. Use your body and your reach and forget this dribbling garbage.
luke have the same problem in the previous games or did he just learn this bad habit over the long break?
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on January 15, 2015, 11:46:34 AM
Fischer had zero impact on the game. He scored 15 seconds into it and never was heard from again. Lowest amount of rebounds on the team. Derrick blocked/affected shots more than Fischer did. Still waiting for Luke's first FT of the game.........
Foul trouble? Fischer got whistled straight away and then again with about five left in the half. Not even sure he got whistled in the second. This was the only Big East game to date where Fischer wasn't in foul trouble where Wojo had to monitor minutes.
Also, as dgies points out above, avoiding a straight path to basket for putting the ball on the floor is indicative of tentative play. Fischer just didn't have it last night which isn't a shock considering he's played half the games everyone else has on the roster. In time, he'll become a consistent presence.
the way i remember it, he sat for most of the first half with two fouls, then picked up a 3rd early on in the second half and wojo decided to sit him down again rather than risk 4 early in the second half.
zero impact in the game isn't possible...wojo said MU's game plan was to get fischer the ball. you could tell creighton spent all their time trying to figure out how they would swarm him, and the open looks he creates while just being in game helps, not to mention the way he clogs the lane on defense. go back and watch the game, and note who was/wasn't on the floor when creighton got the majority of their points and when MU scored the majority of theirs.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on January 15, 2015, 11:46:34 AM
Fischer had zero impact on the game.
Go to the 0:56 mark in this clip (thanks to Ellenson_toMU) and then try to argue that Fischer had zero impact on the game. That's a much easier shot with Steve or Juan guarding the post.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOgVw6Nqjo4&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOgVw6Nqjo4&feature=youtu.be)
Fischer had zero impact? I agree about his role in opening up shots for everyone else (do you think we shoot that three-point percentage without him?) and he set the screen that freed Carlino up. Because MU made the mistake of not fouling at the end, Fischer's man got the ball with plenty of time to shoot. While his man still got a decent look, Luke did a great job of making it difficult without giving the refs an opportunity to blow the whistle...he played excellent defense to seal the win. Was it his best game? No. But he certainly made an impact on the game.
Quote from: avid1010 on January 15, 2015, 11:54:11 AM
the way i remember it, he sat for most of the first half with two fouls, then picked up a 3rd early on in the second half and wojo decided to sit him down again rather than risk 4 early in the second half.
zero impact in the game isn't possible...wojo said MU's game plan was to get fischer the ball. you could tell creighton spent all their time trying to figure out how they would swarm him, and the open looks he creates while just being in game helps, not to mention the way he clogs the lane on defense. go back and watch the game, and note who was/wasn't on the floor when creighton got the majority of their points and when MU scored the majority of theirs.
On the first part he didn't pick up his second foul until six minutes left in first half. If he was sitting for most of the first half in your memory bank it certainly wasn't due to foul trouble until the last few minutes. This was hardly the toughest foul situation for Fischer in his eight games.
On the second part, I'll write that I knew the frothing mouths would jump and down at the literal base of my words. Yes, we've already established on Scoop that the actual living presence of the human being named Luke Fischer has an impact on how this particular Marquette squad plays. Since established, we now move on to actual accomplishments.
Defensively, he had moments of impact but by no means was an iron dome constructed. Sure the last play will sit in everyone's mind and tremendous job there but it was the exception that proved the rule last night (remember, Artino dropped a circus shot on Fischer's dome just a minute prior to missing his last shot of the night). Offensively, it's telling that three people jump on me for "zero impact" but no one jumped to refute "shrinking". Surely, even in their worst game of being clogged down like a toilet after a frat party, a 6'11'' center would find themselves being fouled at least once on an offensive rebound to get to the line.
We'll stop here before we pollute the airwaves even more: you guys will continue to tell me I don't see the subtlety of the game and just how important Fischer is; I'll tell you I not only know that but now expect more of a scoreboard impact from Fischer as he burns the rust off. In the end, we're all fools.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on January 15, 2015, 11:46:34 AM
Foul trouble? Fischer got whistled straight away and then again with about five left in the half. Not even sure he got whistled in the second. This was the only Big East game to date where Fischer wasn't in foul trouble where Wojo had to monitor minutes.
Um he got whistled with his third 1:09 into the second half and then spent a significant amount of time on the bench. Also, in the first half after his 2nd with 5:29 left I don't believe he returned to the game. So I would consider those pretty long stretches.
Golden Avalanche, you said it right at the beginning of your post that Fischer had ZERO impact. Several people refuted that and we most likely lose that game if he doesn't play. Not necessarily one of his better games, but I don't ever envision a game in which he has zero impact, which were your words.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on January 15, 2015, 12:53:14 PM
On the first part he didn't pick up his second foul until six minutes left in first half. If he was sitting for most of the first half in your memory bank it certainly wasn't due to foul trouble until the last few minutes. This was hardly the toughest foul situation for Fischer in his eight games.
On the second part, I'll write that I knew the frothing mouths would jump and down at the literal base of my words. Yes, we've already established on Scoop that the actual living presence of the human being named Luke Fischer has an impact on how this particular Marquette squad plays. Since established, we now move on to actual accomplishments.
Defensively, he had moments of impact but by no means was an iron dome constructed. Sure the last play will sit in everyone's mind and tremendous job there but it was the exception that proved the rule last night (remember, Artino dropped a circus shot on Fischer's dome just a minute prior to missing his last shot of the night). Offensively, it's telling that three people jump on me for "zero impact" but no one jumped to refute "shrinking". Surely, even in their worst game of being clogged down like a toilet after a frat party, a 6'11'' center would find themselves being fouled at least once on an offensive rebound to get to the line.
We'll stop here before we pollute the airwaves even more: you guys will continue to tell me I don't see the subtlety of the game and just how important Fischer is; I'll tell you I not only know that but now expect more of a scoreboard impact from Fischer as he burns the rust off. In the end, we're all fools.
you said zero impact, we laughed, now you change the story.
i guess you know a heck of a lot more than wojo because he spoke of how difficult it was to operate without luke, and clearly the difference between MU with and without luke hasn't been that great ::)
he didn't "shrink"...at most he struggled to play with early foul trouble. but his stats on the year clearly show a different picture than what you're trying to paint. comes off like you have something personal against the kid.
SEASON TEAM MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
2014-15 MARQ 218 41-52 . 788 0-0 .000 12-22 .545 40 11 18 5 27 15 94
Fischer's production has really shown me how much coaches defensive game plan's can take a player out of a game. It is up to Wojo to design an offensive game plan for Fischer to offset the opponents game plan to stop him. In the post game show Wojo said in the past week they worked on getting Fischer shots and maybe that is why Taylor started, so you could have one on each side. I think what Wojo needs to work on is the players passs to Fischer, because the passing last night was horrible.
Quote from: bilsu on January 15, 2015, 01:57:59 PM
Fischer's production has really shown me how much coaches defensive game plan's can take a player out of a game. It is up to Wojo to design an offensive game plan for Fischer to offset the opponents game plan to stop him. In the post game show Wojo said in the past week they worked on getting Fischer shots and maybe that is why Taylor started, so you could have one on each side. I think what Wojo needs to work on is the players passs to Fischer, because the passing last night was horrible.
that was a problem at Georgetown also, too many intercepted passes into the paint
Quote from: bilsu on January 15, 2015, 01:57:59 PM
Fischer's production has really shown me how much coaches defensive game plan's can take a player out of a game. It is up to Wojo to design an offensive game plan for Fischer to offset the opponents game plan to stop him. In the post game show Wojo said in the past week they worked on getting Fischer shots and maybe that is why Taylor started, so you could have one on each side. I think what Wojo needs to work on is the players passs to Fischer, because the passing last night was horrible.
agreed...and on a passing note...i thought luke had noticeably improved how he passed out of the double team prior to the creighton game. makes me wonder what the coaches and philosophy was. there were many times last night i thought they should have fed the post better than they did.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on January 15, 2015, 11:46:34 AM
Fischer had zero impact on the game. He scored 15 seconds into it and never was heard from again. Lowest amount of rebounds on the team. Derrick blocked/affected shots more than Fischer did. Still waiting for Luke's first FT of the game.........
Foul trouble? Fischer got whistled straight away and then again with about five left in the half. Not even sure he got whistled in the second. This was the only Big East game to date where Fischer wasn't in foul trouble where Wojo had to monitor minutes.
Also, as dgies points out above, avoiding a straight path to basket for putting the ball on the floor is indicative of tentative play. Fischer just didn't have it last night which isn't a shock considering he's played half the games everyone else has on the roster. In time, he'll become a consistent presence.
If you are going to nitpick 'one miracle make', don't cry when somebody nitpicks you. Hypocrite.