1. No production from Fischer, Taylor and Anderson. Turnover machines tonight.
2. Fell in love with the 3 early and struggled to find an offensive rhythm the rest of the game.
3. Not a ton of energy, except when in the 1-3-1.
4. At some point, some home cooking officiating would be nice. Couldn't get the 50-50 calls.
5. 1-3-1 is only effective in short bursts.
6. Duane was the only one who wanted the ball in the second half.
7. Must make free throws. Can't even blame Juan or Derrick tonight.
8. But one miracle make and all is forgiven.
9. Didn't deserve it, but take it and run.
Big problems in this game.
We gave up 11 offensive rebounds.
We committed 15 TOs.
That led to them having taken 12 more shots than us.
Quote from: forgetful on January 14, 2015, 10:07:39 PM
Big problems in this game.
We gave up 11 offensive rebounds.
We committed 15 TOs.
That led to them having taken 12 more shots than us.
... and just about every game is we can't score from the perimeter.
Carlino always wants the ball. He is a huge CHUCKER!
Well, I like wins.
But I will say. If we play anything close to the way we did tonight on Saturday...Xavier beats us by 25 and that may be generous.
Rust...this team has had a somewhat odd schedule and needs to find a rhythm. These staggered games don't help. Add the fact that Creighton drew us into a shooting contest and it was going to be ugly.
We won...all good as far as I'm concerned.
Only two players scoring in the second half, really????
Fischer is seven foot, shooting 80% and only takes three shots.
Duane is very quick, not afraid to shoot out of slump, and will improve next year to be dangerous. Russ Smith like danger.
6. No (but close). Carlino also wanted the ball. He always wants the ball.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 14, 2015, 10:10:41 PM
Carlino always wants the ball. He is a huge CHUCKER!
And he hit the game winning shot...
Carlino wants the ball in the first half and the second half.........and OT if needed.
Quote from: tower912 on January 14, 2015, 10:06:21 PM
1. No production from Fischer, Taylor and Anderson. Turnover machines tonight.
Can add JJ to that mix tonight. Awful games all around.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 14, 2015, 10:10:41 PM
Carlino always wants the ball. He is a huge CHUCKER!
There are times like tonight when you just let him chuck. Everything else was a messy mess.
I said I would judge success for this team based on progress. I am afraid if there has been progress I have missed it. Please help me see the improvement in this team. I would feel much better if we played well and lost to a good team then watch us play a horrible team and win by one. Where is the improvement? There must be something besides Derrick's two 3's.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 14, 2015, 10:10:41 PM
Carlino always wants the ball. He is a huge CHUCKER!
Its been proven to you multiple times that both Duane and Johnson shoot at a higher and more inconsistent rate than Carlino. Carlino also leads the team in assists. Don't know too many chuckers who do that.
Quote from: Class71 on January 14, 2015, 10:20:41 PM
I said I would judge success for this team based on progress. I am afraid if there has been progress I have missed it. Please help me see the improvement in this team. I would feel much better if we played well and lost to a good team then watch us play a horrible team and win by one. Where is the improvement? There must be something besides Derrick's two 3's.
For as bad a stretch as he's had over the last month, Duane's line was improvement.
No production from Juan but he did grab 9 big boards for us.
Providence and Georgetown are two top half defenses in the BEast. Depaul and Creighton are the two worst defenses in the BEast. Why we looked decent against the first two and awful against the second two is a mystery to me.
Quote from: Class71 on January 14, 2015, 10:20:41 PM
I said I would judge success for this team based on progress. I am afraid if there has been progress I have missed it. Please help me see the improvement in this team. I would feel much better if we played well and lost to a good team then watch us play a horrible team and win by one. Where is the improvement? There must be something besides Derrick's two 3's.
I'd say Duane being one of the only guys wanting the ball in the second half was big for development.
Two of our most important players(derrick and Juan) were terrible tonight and won't be here next year so it was good to see one of the young guys step up. Of course the other guy who stepped up even bigger won't be either though.
Quote from: Class71 on January 14, 2015, 10:20:41 PM
I said I would judge success for this team based on progress. I am afraid if there has been progress I have missed it. Please help me see the improvement in this team. I would feel much better if we played well and lost to a good team then watch us play a horrible team and win by one. Where is the improvement? There must be something besides Derrick's two 3's.
Defense has improved.
Quote from: Class71 on January 14, 2015, 10:20:41 PM
I said I would judge success for this team based on progress. I am afraid if there has been progress I have missed it. Please help me see the improvement in this team. I would feel much better if we played well and lost to a good team then watch us play a horrible team and win by one. Where is the improvement? There must be something besides Derrick's two 3's.
This is just dumb. We played poorly in stretches tonight, but we won. What are you complaining about? We played a much better game against Georgetown and lost. This "thing" where players are going to "develop" and miraculously improve from game to game is nonsense. We are a very flawed and short handed team.
Stop complaining about how we won a game. We are not tournament material and you can thank the previous regime for that. Get over it.
Against Georgetown, I thought we played pretty well but we were just a few players short. Today, I thought we were awful and while its fun to win, its hard to believe in this team. There's just not enough scoring to compete. Overall, todays game showed two bottom feeders which is what I think it was.
Did anyone else hear Perrish call wojo the "cute" floor slapping pg? Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 14, 2015, 10:27:43 PM
This is just dumb. We played poorly in stretches tonight, but we won. What are you complaining about? We played a much better game against Georgetown and lost. This "thing" where players are going to "develop" and miraculously improve from game to game is nonsense. We are a very flawed and short handed team.
Stop complaining about how we won a game. We are not tournament material and you can thank the previous regime for that. Get over it.
Odd way to discuss a topic. Good luck.
Quote from: AlumKCof93 on January 14, 2015, 10:28:44 PM
Against Georgetown, I thought we played pretty well but we were just a few players short. Today, I thought we were awful and while its fun to win, its hard to believe in this team. There's just not enough scoring to compete. Overall, todays game showed two bottom feeders which is what I think it was.
Bullsh*t. Marquette is not a "bottom feeder." That's ridiculous.
That's a crazy stat that Duane and Matt were the only players to score in the final 22+ minutes wow.
Couple issues pertaining to Luke.
1. He scored the first basket of the game on the 1st possession of the game. He had 2 shots the rest of the game....2.
2. He hasn't had more than 3 boards in a BE game yet.
We are still infinitely better with him on the floor...but those things above can't happen.
Props to the crowd lower bowl was full and the students went halfway up the upper bowl, for a Wednesday against the worst team in the big east I'll take it
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on January 14, 2015, 10:37:38 PM
Couple issues pertaining to Luke.
1. He scored the first basket of the game on the 1st possession of the game. He had 2 shots the rest of the game....2.
2. He hasn't had more than 3 boards in a BE game yet.
We are still infinitely better with him on the floor...but those things above can't happen.
He is getting lots of attention now. Teams are just packing the paint.
Quote from: News: Ellenson dreams & commits to MU on January 14, 2015, 10:41:03 PM
He is getting lots of attention now. Teams are just packing the paint.
Yup. It was clear in the first half they were just challenging us to shoot -- as much room as the perimeter guys not named Carlino were getting. After our barrage of 3's, they tightened up a bit, but still were pulling the easy double on Luke by playing off Derrick.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on January 14, 2015, 10:37:38 PM
Couple issues pertaining to Luke.
1. He scored the first basket of the game on the 1st possession of the game. He had 2 shots the rest of the game....2.
2. He hasn't had more than 3 boards in a BE game yet.
We are still infinitely better with him on the floor...but those things above can't happen.
Two things regarding Luke:
1. Really glad he boxes out well. Good fundamentals. That said, he boxes out sometimes to a fault. I can think of at least two occasions where he was super busy boxing out that the rebound went by his face.
2. Also glad Wojo has him playing vertical defense and getting his hands up. However, he is now so interested in getting vertical that when someone simply sidesteps him he is not affecting the shot other than the sidestep. He should be swatting at a shot whenever someone is physically separated from him.
Point is Luke is sometimes so focused on fundamentals that I feel like he is missing opportunities in rebounding and blocking/altering shots.
1. McDermott is a good coach. Adjusted to our 1-3-1 that was giving them fits and got a lot of open looks/easy shots down the stretch.
2. Did any of our coaches/players know we had TWO freakin' fouls to give when Creighton inbounded the ball under their own basket with only 11 seconds left? If we lose that game in the last few seconds it would have been unforgivable.
3. I don't blame Duane and Carlino for being "chuckers". When a team packs it in against us they're all we have in the half court offense (assuming Sandy is on the bench).
Quote from: RideMyBuycks on January 14, 2015, 10:28:52 PM
Did anyone else hear Perrish call wojo the "cute" floor slapping pg? Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Hope you didn't mean this in a bad way....
Im forgetting this game except that its a W. Xavier away is huge. We can beat them there....its one of those away games we have to somehow steal.
Quote from: Class71 on January 14, 2015, 10:20:41 PM
I said I would judge success for this team based on progress. I am afraid if there has been progress I have missed it. Please help me see the improvement in this team. I would feel much better if we played well and lost to a good team then watch us play a horrible team and win by one. Where is the improvement? There must be something besides Derrick's two 3's.
Try "Being Lucky rather than Good"..........Who know how this impacts our final record and maybe determine if we go anywhere.
Quote from: jsheim on January 14, 2015, 10:45:49 PM
Im forgetting this game except that its a W. Xavier away is huge. We can beat them there....its one of those away games we have to somehow steal.
It's crazy that if we somehow steal that one, they'll be 2-4 and we'd be 3-2 in BE play.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 14, 2015, 10:44:53 PM
1. McDermott is a good coach. Adjusted to our 1-3-1 that was giving them fits and got a lot of open looks/easy shots down the stretch.
2. Did any of our coaches/players know we had TWO freakin' foul to give when Creighton inbounded the ball under their own basket with only 11 seconds left? If we lose that game in the last few seconds it would have been unforgivable.
3. I don't blame Duane and Carlino for being "chuckers". When a team packs it in against us they're all we have in the half court offense (assuming Sandy is on the bench).
Wojo was screaming at someone to foul when the ball was inbounded but it went unnoticed by the team.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 14, 2015, 10:47:45 PM
It's crazy that if we somehow steal that one, they'll be 2-4 and we'd be 3-2 in BE play.
This year we need Crazy.
Really don't see us beating them at X or even hanging close but yeah that would be awesome.
Stainbrook down low is going to make it just as hard to get good 2 pt looks like today an they got shooters to get that home court "hot".
Quote from: MarquetteDano on January 14, 2015, 10:44:53 PM
1. Really glad he boxes out well. Good fundamentals. That said, he boxes out sometimes to a fault. I can think of at least two occasions where he was super busy boxing out that the rebound went by his face.
Agree with this, but that's when the guards and forwards have to take advantage of the Big man doing his job and getting good position themselves. Otule was great at boxing out to get others rebounds, but the key is the other guys taking advantage.
Another note...by my calculation, Derrick is now shooting over 30% from three (7/23). Considering his history, that's remarkable. He'll never be a sniper for us but he has established himself as a guy that can hit the open shot.
Quote from: Class71 on January 14, 2015, 10:20:41 PM
I would feel much better if we played well and lost to a good team then watch us play a horrible team and win by one.
Always better to win.
Always.
Quote from: JoeSmith1721 on January 14, 2015, 10:48:20 PM
Wojo was screaming at someone to foul when the ball was inbounded but it went unnoticed by the team.
That should have been addressed during the timeout with 21.6 seconds left. "We're down 2. If we miss foul immediately 3 times. If we make a 2 play D but don't be afraid to foul a non shooter if he's got a step. If we make a 3 DO NOT LET THEM GET INTO A SHOOTING POSITION. 2 fouls when they have to go 94 feet in 11 seconds should pretty much ensure they won't get any shot off or have to put up a prayer. We gave them a very good look that they never should have had.
MU's three starting point guards were 8-14 from treyland.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 14, 2015, 10:11:57 PM
Rust...this team has had a somewhat odd schedule and needs to find a rhythm. These staggered games don't help. Add the fact that Creighton drew us into a shooting contest and it was going to be ugly.
We won...all good as far as I'm concerned.
Bull##it on the rust. We stunk. take the win but wow we will be fortunate to win 9 games.
Only Matt and Du over 100 on ORating. MU really needs to focus on their spacing in the half court offense. Way too mch dribbling without a purpose.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 14, 2015, 10:22:05 PM
Its been proven to you multiple times that both Duane and Johnson shoot at a higher and more inconsistent rate than Carlino. Carlino also leads the team in assists. Don't know too many chuckers who do that.
Actually I like Carlino. he and Duane are the ONLY TWO guys on this team you can count on to create shots at crunch time. None of the others can. My comment about him was meant for all those who denigrate Carlino--and there are plenty of them on this board. Hopefully Wojo hs figured out who should be the shooters at crunch time. It is one of those two. It isn't Derrick, it isn't Juan, etc.
You sure as hell have not "proven" Carlino to me.
Quote from: LloydsLegs on January 14, 2015, 10:12:40 PM
6. No (but close). Carlino also wanted the ball. He always wants the ball.
Carlino did want it at the end. Actually, he played a pretty solid game. But outside of Duane and Matt, the offensive execution looked similar to what I am seeing in the 5th grade Catholic league I am coaching in.
I have been out of touch last couple of weeks and wanted to weigh in on Carlino. I saw on a thread a week or so ago about Matt's lack of basketball IQ and was shocked with the number of comments supporting that thought. Matt may be a lot of things, good and bad, but lacking a basketball IQ is beyond crazy. The kid is a basketball player first and knows the game beyond vast majority of D1 players IMO. He is born to be a basketball player and his knowledge of the game is extremely high.
He is called a chucker and he was brought here to be one. If leads team in assists and if he had better talent around him that number would be higher. No doubt he slacks on D too much for my liking but he is top tier offensive player on a team that struggles on that side of the court. IMO he would be a great piece to a talented team and unfortunately he has become a lightning rod for an average team.
Not often do you see you guys that want the ball in crunch time and he wants in his hands all the time. His forcing shoots or passes he based off talent around him and not him being selfish. He was brought here to fill a gap and he has done so well more than not. Again, I would take 12 guys with his basketball IQ and willingness to step up in crunch time any day of the week.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2015, 06:41:10 AM
I have been out of touch last couple of weeks and wanted to weigh in on Carlino. I saw on a thread a week or so ago about Matt's lack of basketball IQ and was shocked with the number of comments supporting that thought. Matt may be a lot of things, good and bad, but lacking a basketball IQ is beyond crazy. The kid is a basketball player first and knows the game beyond vast majority of D1 players IMO. He is born to be a basketball player and his knowledge of the game is extremely high.
He is called a chucker and he was brought here to be one. If leads team in assists and if he had better talent around him that number would be higher. No doubt he slacks on D too much for my liking but he is top tier offensive player on a team that struggles on that side of the court. IMO he would be a great piece to a talented team and unfortunately he has become a lightning rod for an average team.
Not often do you see you guys that want the ball in crunch time and he wants in his hands all the time. His forcing shoots or passes he based off talent around him and not him being selfish. He was brought here to fill a gap and he has done so well more than not. Again, I would take 12 guys with his basketball IQ and willingness to step up in crunch time any day of the week.
Damn straight. He is simply doing what he was brought to MU to do...score the ball. Not a chucker at all. Agree on the D comments as well.
Quote from: tower912 on January 15, 2015, 06:25:06 AM
Carlino did want it at the end. Actually, he played a pretty solid game. But outside of Duane and Matt, the offensive execution looked similar to what I am seeing in the 5th grade Catholic league I am coaching in.
Do you run a play called "MARQUETTE"?
It was a tough game to watch courtside. Fischer was well guarded. Derrick, Duane and Carlino played extremely well. All three are leaders. Carlino played like a veteran floor general directing traffic during most of the game. He is ultra quick. During the final minute he knew what he had to do. He played to win. He was fun to watch. Sure glad he's a Warrior!
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 14, 2015, 10:43:59 PM
Yup. It was clear in the first half they were just challenging us to shoot -- as much room as the perimeter guys not named Carlino were getting. After our barrage of 3's, they tightened up a bit, but still were pulling the easy double on Luke by playing off Derrick.
This. They defended us like it was last season, ignoring Derrick at the three point line.
Carlino is much better than Jake at creating scoring opportunities despite constant attention.
Teams are going to take away Luke as much as possible the same way they tried to with Gardner last year. We need to find more creative ways to get him the ball.
As for our defense, it was pretty good, but Creighton missed a boatload of easy shots right at the basket in the first half, as well as a lot of wide open, in rhythm 3s. Happy to escape with a win, lots to improve on.
One positive way you could look at this is that we played poorly and won anyone, which is a sign of a good team. (Unfortunately it could also be a sign of a bad team playing a worse one).
Quote from: JoeSmith1721 on January 14, 2015, 10:48:20 PM
Wojo was screaming at someone to foul when the ball was inbounded but it went unnoticed by the team.
As was I. Absolutely crazy that they were allowed to get out of the backcourt without us committing multiple fouls forcing yet another inbound as the final 10 seconds drained. Crazy that guys with supposedly high basketball IQs didn't recognize that. Now from where I sit I was unaware that Wojo was calling for it. At the time I was actually disappointed in him for not recognizing the situation himself. Glad that's straightened out.
Quote from: jsglow on January 15, 2015, 07:37:07 AM
As was I. Absolutely crazy that they were allowed to get out of the backcourt without us committing multiple fouls forcing yet another inbound as the final 10 seconds drained. Crazy that guys with supposedly high basketball IQs didn't recognize that. Now from where I sit I was unaware that Wojo was calling for it. At the time I was actually disappointed in him for not recognizing the situation himself. Glad that's straightened out.
Two ways to go here I thought. To play aggressive Defense around the 1:40 mark where CU's lead was cut from four to two. Two quick fouls trying to trap. This would result in a reset shot clock so foul early each time and then play the full possession NU be in a position to be in the bonus in the last minute. If Carlino missed that three at the end, we would have been calling for Wojo's scalp for not fouling earlier.
Second was to call a time out immediately after Carlino's miss. Have them inbound in backcourt. Foul. Inbound again. Foul. Inbound again and play defense. Three inbounds plays would have taken up about 8 of the 11 seconds. This is also why McD did not use his time outs.
As it was, CU took 8 seconds to get their first shot off, a pretty good look, and a tip at the buzzer. I can attest Wojo was running the sidelines grabbing his forearm indicating tofoul but that should have been handled in the huddle like McD did as Wojo admitted post-game.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on January 14, 2015, 10:44:53 PM
2. Also glad Wojo has him playing vertical defense and getting his hands up. However, he is now so interested in getting vertical that when someone simply sidesteps him he is not affecting the shot other than the sidestep. He should be swatting at a shot whenever someone is physically separated from him.
Point is Luke is sometimes so focused on fundamentals that I feel like he is missing opportunities in rebounding and blocking/altering shots.
He needs to stay out of foul trouble. Get in the way, get those hands up, make the driver adjust and avoid the foul. If he attempted to block a shot whenever someone drove, he'd play about 10 minutes a game before fouling out.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 14, 2015, 10:10:41 PM
Carlino always wants the ball. He is a huge CHUCKER!
Is this a joke? I ask honestly because you guys have a lot of dumb "inside" jokes that aren't funny. He shot 10 times and scored 19 points. His offensive rating this game was 145 and is 111.3 for the year. 111.3 is good for 465th in the country and 14th in the big east. But he's a chucker? Who else would you like taking the final shot, or any shot for that matter? Maybe Duane, but I'll still go with the Senior.
It's funny how people make opinions of a player early in the year, or after certain games and then feel the need to validate that opinion. Just admit he's a good offensive player, numbers don't lie.
1. We need others to start hitting sots otherwise every coach will continue to double and triple team Luke.
2. Some of Luke's focus on fundamentals may be from Wojo on trying to cut down bad fouls.
3. JJJ may have not done anything on offense but seemed to be everywhere on D.
Quote from: tower912 on January 14, 2015, 10:06:21 PM
1. No production from Fischer, Taylor and Anderson. Turnover machines tonight.
2. Fell in love with the 3 early and struggled to find an offensive rhythm the rest of the game.
3. Not a ton of energy, except when in the 1-3-1.
4. At some point, some home cooking officiating would be nice. Couldn't get the 50-50 calls.
5. 1-3-1 is only effective in short bursts.
6. Duane was the only one who wanted the ball in the second half.
7. Must make free throws. Can't even blame Juan or Derrick tonight.
8. But one miracle make and all is forgiven.
9. Didn't deserve it, but take it and run.
I didn't see a miracle make. A miracle make would be everybody's love child Cadougan hitting from halfcourt to take UConn to overtime. Carlino made a contested three point jump shot going to his preferred side. Took balls to take and make. Silly to call it a miracle.
And silly to write Marquette didn't deserve to win. Both teams were atrociously bad on offense. Recency bias makes you think MU didn't "deserve" a win since it was the second half that they sucked but it takes some gumption to overcome playing that poorly in losing a double digit lead at home and not simply giving in to a subdued crowd.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 15, 2015, 07:52:58 AM
Two ways to go here I thought. To play aggressive Defense around the 1:40 mark where CU's lead was cut from four to two. Two quick fouls trying to trap. This would result in a reset shot clock so foul early each time and then play the full possession NU be in a position to be in the bonus in the last minute. If Carlino missed that three at the end, we would have been calling for Wojo's scalp for not fouling earlier.
Second was to call a time out immediately after Carlino's miss made 3. Have them inbound in backcourt. Foul. Inbound again. Foul. Inbound again and play defense. Three inbounds plays would have taken up about 8 of the 11 seconds. This is also why McD did not use his time outs.
As it was, CU took 8 seconds to get their first shot off, a pretty good look, and a tip at the buzzer. I can attest Wojo was running the sidelines grabbing his forearm indicating tofoul but that should have been handled in the huddle like McD did as Wojo admitted post-game.
I think I corrected your typo. I agree on both counts. I hated watching that time slip away when we needed more rather than fewer possessions. When that worked out on a 'one shot deal' following the travel and the made Car3no, I would have taken the 5th and 6th team foul in the backcourt and/or on the distant perimeter. With fouls to give, Creighton should not have gotten a good look.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on January 15, 2015, 09:12:39 AM
I didn't see a miracle make. A miracle make would be everybody's love child Cadougan hitting from halfcourt to take UConn to overtime. Carlino made a contested three point jump shot going to his preferred side. Took balls to take and make. Silly to call it a miracle.
And silly to write Marquette didn't deserve to win. Both teams were atrociously bad on offense. Recency bias makes you think MU didn't "deserve" a win since it was the second half that they sucked but it takes some gumption to overcome playing that poorly in losing a double digit lead at home and not simply giving in to a subdued crowd.
Agree on all of this.
We deserved to win every bit as much as Creighton did. Actually more, because, in the end, our boyz did what they had to do to win. Carlino hit the shot, their guy missed the much easier shot. Most of the time in sports -- not all of the time, but most -- the team that "deserves" to win does win.
As for Carlino's "miracle shot" ... he has taken -- and made -- many other shots this season that were at least as difficult as yesterday's game-winner. It's part of his role within our offense, similar to Mayo's role last season. Somebody has to be willing to take the contested jumper with the shot clock running down or with the game on the line.
Count me among those who doesn't get the Carlino-bashing on this board. Given everything I heard about him coming into the season, he actually has exceeded my expectations. Although he throws some bad passes (who doesn't?), he's a better passer than I thought he'd be. And though he occasionally loses the ball dribbling in traffic (who doesn't?), he is better at taking it to the hoop than I thought he'd be.
Has his defense and other shortcomings lost us any games? Maybe, maybe not. I'm not sure anybody can provide real evidence to say it has.
But I can confidently say that without him we'd have lost at least two of the games we have won (Georgia Tech and Creighton).
IMHO, Carlino has done exactly what Wojo brought him here to do. I'm glad he chose to finish his college career as a Warrior.
Quote from: MU82 on January 15, 2015, 09:24:45 AM
Agree on all of this.
We deserved to win every bit as much as Creighton did. Actually more, because, in the end, our boyz did what they had to do to win. Carlino hit the shot, their guy missed the much easier shot. Most of the time in sports -- not all of the time, but most -- the team that "deserves" to win does win.
As for Carlino's "miracle shot" ... he has taken -- and made -- many other shots this season that were at least as difficult as yesterday's game-winner. It's part of his role within our offense, similar to Mayo's role last season. Somebody has to be willing to take the contested jumper with the shot clock running down or with the game on the line.
Count me among those who doesn't get the Carlino-bashing on this board. Given everything I heard about him coming into the season, he actually has exceeded my expectations. Although he throws some bad passes (who doesn't?), he's a better passer than I thought he'd be. And though he occasionally loses the ball dribbling in traffic (who doesn't?), he is better at taking it to the hoop than I thought he'd be.
Has his defense and other shortcomings lost us any games? Maybe, maybe not. I'm not sure anybody can provide real evidence to say it has.
But I can confidently say that without him we'd have lost at least two of the games we have won (Georgia Tech and Creighton).
IMHO, Carlino has done exactly what Wojo brought him here to do. I'm glad he chose to finish his college career as a Warrior.
+1. I've not studied his tape from BYU but I suspect Matt's made real progress this year. And if true, I'll give our coaching staff credit getting him more ready to potentially earn a paycheck somewhere next year.
People who were bitching and moaning last year about needing a PG who can score, are now bitching and moaning that the point guard shoots too much.
Should have lost this one, should have beaten DePaul. That is how it works with a team that is rebuilding. Bad teams would have lost both because they wouldn't have been in a position to win or lose either one in the last minute.
Enjoy the win!
Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on January 15, 2015, 09:32:37 AM
People who were bitching and moaning last year about needing a PG who can score, are now bitching and moaning that the point guard shoots too much.
People are the worst.
AND, for the record, Derrick (the guy everybody used to hate) had a pretty nice line last night:
6 pts
5 ast
3 Reb
3 stls
1 block (a HUGE block late in the game)
He missed a good look at a layup later in the game, and he had 2 turnovers as well, but overall, MU can live with a performance like this from Derrick.
With this said, overall, MU was pretty bad offensively last night, and Derrick played a role in that as well... so it's not all praise.
Quote from: Canned Goods n Ammo on January 15, 2015, 09:47:55 AM
People are the worst.
AND, for the record, Derrick (the guy everybody used to hate) had a pretty nice line last night:
6 pts
5 ast
3 Reb
3 stls
1 block (a HUGE block late in the game)
Could have had two. He had a great closeout to block a corner three and force a shot clock violation. Then, a huge play with 2:45 left, down three. He and Juan got back after a turnover and blocked Chatman's layup. Juan was credited with it.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 15, 2015, 06:01:16 AM
Actually I like Carlino. he and Duane are the ONLY TWO guys on this team you can count on to create shots at crunch time. None of the others can. My comment about him was meant for all those who denigrate Carlino--and there are plenty of them on this board. Hopefully Wojo hs figured out who should be the shooters at crunch time. It is one of those two. It isn't Derrick, it isn't Juan, etc.
You sure as hell have not "proven" Carlino to me.
It certainly doesn't seem like you like Carlino. You have called him a chucker repeatedly, despite it not being true. You've also spent the entire conference season talking about how Duane should be played over Carlino, despite Duane having an eight game stretch where he shot 5% from three and 33% from the floor. You have also repeatedly accused Wojo of benching Duane for mistakes but giving Carlino free range. I apologize if you meant all of these with love and I was just misinterpreting. But you might want to work on your delivery.
I also never said I had proven anything, I said it has been proven. I think it was Sultan who calculated the shots per minute of each player and proved that Duane and JjJ are the biggest chuckers we have on the team. I did show you the stats on Duane when he was in 8 game funk. But last night was a stellar performance from the kid, hopefully he has shaken the cobwebs off.
Quote from: Canned Goods n Ammo on January 15, 2015, 09:47:55 AM
People are the worst.
AND, for the record, Derrick (the guy everybody used to hate) had a pretty nice line last night:
6 pts
5 ast
3 Reb
3 stls
1 block (a HUGE block late in the game)
He missed a good look at a layup later in the game, and he had 2 turnovers as well, but overall, MU can live with a performance like this from Derrick.
With this said, overall, MU was pretty bad offensively last night, and Derrick played a role in that as well... so it's not all praise.
Yep, plus this:
Quote from: MUfan12 on January 15, 2015, 10:00:19 AM
Could have had two. He had a great closeout to block a corner three and force a shot clock violation. Then, a huge play with 2:45 left, down three. He and Juan got back after a turnover and blocked Chatman's layup. Juan was credited with it.
AND, he really should have had a fourth steal but the refs called a ticky tack foul still. Really thought that call was going to seal it.
Carlino IS a bit of a chucker, but you know what? Someone on this team needs to shoot the ball. You want Juan and Derrick to get more shots? Carlino is averaging 9.4 shots per game and shooting nearly 40% from 3. It's not like he's firing up 20 shots/game while Dwyane Wade twiddles his thumbs and Novak is standing wide open behind the arc. If anything, I wouldn't be surprised if Wojo wanted Carlino to chuck it more.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on January 15, 2015, 01:48:35 PM
Carlino IS a bit of a chucker, but you know what? Someone on this team needs to shoot the ball. You want Juan and Derrick to get more shots? Carlino is averaging 9.4 shots per game and shooting nearly 40% from 3. It's not like he's firing up 20 shots/game while Dwyane Wade twiddles his thumbs and Novak is standing wide open behind the arc. If anything, I wouldn't be surprised if Wojo wanted Carlino to chuck it more.
Interestingly, Derrick is shooting 50% from 3 in BE play. Duane's 3 point shot looked much nicer last night as well.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on January 15, 2015, 01:48:35 PM
Carlino IS a bit of a chucker, but you know what? Someone on this team needs to shoot the ball. You want Juan and Derrick to get more shots? Carlino is averaging 9.4 shots per game and shooting nearly 40% from 3. It's not like he's firing up 20 shots/game while Dwyane Wade twiddles his thumbs and Novak is standing wide open behind the arc. If anything, I wouldn't be surprised if Wojo wanted Carlino to chuck it more.
+1. We have 8 guys. One (Fischer) never shoots from more than 5 feet. Two (Juan and Steve) shoot occasionally from in and out and are bad at both. One guard (Derrick) is epic bad from the outside while another (who shoots more often - JJJ) may be worse. Sandy can shoot but rarely plays. The rules demand a shot every 35 seconds - given this team I say chuck away to Carlino and (to a lesser extent) Duane.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on January 15, 2015, 07:54:51 AM
He needs to stay out of foul trouble. Get in the way, get those hands up, make the driver adjust and avoid the foul. If he attempted to block a shot whenever someone drove, he'd play about 10 minutes a game before fouling out.
But what he is sometimes doing when he "gets in the way" is getting a block or body foul call. That is why he is getting in foul trouble. Fundamentals say you need to get in position before the shooter does. I will give him credit, he does do it quite often. But sometimes he is so focused on getting into position when he has no chance to. I think he would actually have less fouls if he let the guy sidestep him and take a shot at the ball.
Carlino came in with a chucker reputation because he was one. Averaged 12.2 shots per game last year. This year he's only taking 9.4 per game. Interestingly enough, all his other numbers (rebounds, assists, steals) are also down. The one number that did jump up is his 3P%, he's hitting over 39% after being a consistent 33% shooter from range.
More than a chucker, this year Matt has been streaky. When he's on, he's great, when he isn't, he can be as much a negative as a positive.